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5 man queue season 11 trial

Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited March 22, 2018 in PVP

Dear Anet,

I may have missed the post season poll about whether or not to keep solo/duo queue only.

If I did not that would mean that I and others are still waiting to see that poll.

How about you do a trial of 5-man queue for season 11?

(Fellow players)

choose yes or no. maybe is pretty much a yes.

Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

5 man queue season 11 trial 228 votes

Yes
40%
BlaqueFyre.5678ReaverKane.7598starhunter.6015Trevor Boyer.6524witcher.3197Devilman.1532pah.4931Alatar.7364Ajaxx.3157Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318Theportalmaster.5026Mini Crinny.6190StarDroid.1038Zlater.6789messiah.1908Grimheart.2853kappa.2036Sanity Obscure.6054omgdracula.6345Felipe.1807 93 votes
No
52%
Kheldorn.5123Cougre.6543AngelsShadow.7360OriOri.8724Exciton.8942ButterPeanut.9746Abelisk.4527Aktium.9506Lucentfir.7430Lyger.5429GloriousAlkaid.5104Faux Play.6104Mastermavrick.2439Malediktus.9250cgMatt.5162Simeonus.9237Zaraki.5784Blockhead Magee.3092Kako.1930Susy.7529 119 votes
Maybe
7%
Sonekawa.9123Emtiarbi.3281Devbo.6280FrizzFreston.5290Aeolus.3615DedalNort.3627Kraitan.8476Emapudapus.1307Coolguy.8702BeepBoopBop.5403MarshallLaw.9260Wakthor Thorwak.2819wintersone.8642Conscript.3657Jschaap.9415DarthFurby.3970 16 votes
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Comments

  • Simeonus.9237Simeonus.9237 Member ✭✭
    edited March 22, 2018
    No

    @starhunter.6015 said:
    I voted yes, but only if the 5 man ques are only paired against other 5 man ques.

    That would be good in theory but in the end it only increase queue time for both solo/duo players and premade groups.

    Moreover it would probably pair 2+2+1 with 4+1 which again wouldn't be fair. Solo/Duo is great as it is.

  • Yes

    I don't get that people still bring the thoroughly debunked pub stomping argument up about 5 man queues even tough A-net offically confirmed that the winrate of 5 mans in ranked was lower cause they actually fight stronger solo players.

    once again automated tournaments is not an option. It's just going to be a farmfest amongst a few pro's stomping the kitten out of everybody. Heck even top 100 plat players can't do kitten generally speaking. And 5 man automated tournaments is only at specific times.

    Unranked is a complete random queu. and offers no incentive for teams to grow. no prestige, no ranking nothing. I do however agree that 5 man ques on a leaderboard give a skewed understanding of one's actual skill level cause playing with 5 man and a mic vs solos is an big advantage. Honestly at this point I'm for an entirely new game mode that is 5 man queue only. if the game mode is appealing enough we might actually get 5 mans or some kitten like that.

  • Yes

    I'd vote for a 5 man queue if there is a new game mode or a revamp of stronghold or some kitten.

  • Wolfric.9380Wolfric.9380 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 22, 2018
    Yes

    I voted Yes but maybe could be better. We need more game modes tuned to the number of people playing together. Mixing pemade (any from 2-5) with solo will always result in some kind of inability to measure MMR. We basically need to pair teams with same numbers. Which leads to 2:2, 3:3, 4:4 and 5:5 game modes.

  • Yukio blaster.9082Yukio blaster.9082 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 22, 2018
    Yes

    I VOTED yes, but i'm against the idea totally in the current situation, but someday in the future gw3(if it ever existed) maybe that would be good.

    S A R À B

  • Falan.1839Falan.1839 Member ✭✭✭
    No

    No, no, no, no, and still no. Pretty much every player from top 100 could just get a grp with a half decent setup from his fl and kitten on the whole ladder once he feels like it, even without discord/TS. Organized teams have a completely different (superior) combat dynamic than random pugs, and teamplay, rotations, splits etc mean A LOT in this game.

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    When exactly do you mean?
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    And all my hope is gone"
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  • Yes

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Ioras Dagnir.3927 said:
    look at all those evil people who don't want people play to in ranked with their friends, shame on you.

    I think you confused friendship with farming pugs.

    this has been disproven multiple times with anets own statistics. Please come up with a new argument to regurgitate for the next 6 months, this one is old and dead.

  • Zaraki.5784Zaraki.5784 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 22, 2018
    No

    No because of wonderful gw2 matchmaking would put me with 4 random comrades against a 5 men queued team.

    "Sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never be able to injure you!"
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  • BeepBoopBop.5403BeepBoopBop.5403 Member ✭✭✭
    Maybe

    I want anything other than solo q. kitten is boring and lonely.

  • Yes

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 Where are you at? Sorry, but your arguments are always well thought, intelligent and logical. Whereas I just get salty and want to trash talk and fight people.

  • Abelisk.4527Abelisk.4527 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 22, 2018
    No

    I don't get the friends argument. Just play Unranked or ATs. All my friends enjoy unranked in 5-mans

    Think of Ranked as a job. What's the difference between Ranked and Unranked? Does that difference support 5 man? No.

    It works in games like Overwatch because those games are tremendous. Meta events in PVE work because there are people to play with. Thing is you can't nerf players unlike nerfing meta events so the only option is to leave them out.

  • BeLZedaR.4790BeLZedaR.4790 Member ✭✭✭
    No

    Bring back duoq. Absolutely not 5 man, for arguments that were repeated enough and those who won’t listen will still not listen.

    Smh for all dem plebs who want to get carried in rank via teams, most of the time probably going to win simply by a superior composition alone.

    If you actually are willing to listen to arguments, watch this, from when solo/duo was first offered and the ingame systems were 5 man:

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  • Badcat.7320Badcat.7320 Member ✭✭
    Yes

    @Master Ketsu.4569 said:
    5 man is only desired by an extremely vocal minority. But the truth is the only real reason to have 5 man ranked is largely so you can be carried and pubstomp randos. Of course, the 5 man crowd will never admit this so instead they have to perform mental gymnastics and conjure up psuedointellectual excuses about how the lack of 5 man is somehow killing the game despite the fact that 99.999% of the GW2 population could care less.

    Here is the truth: We already have 5 man.

    1. You can already do 5 man in unranked
    2. We already have 5 man automated tournaments
    3. We already have 5 man custom arenas for scrims

    So the actual gameplay of 5 man is absolutely not missing from the game at all. Right now, if you want, you can hop on discord with your friends and setup a scrim. There is no lack of 5 man in GW2. The only thing that doesn't exist is a version of 5 man that can carry your ranking - and THAT's what most people don't care for, because it's absolutely unnecessary. 5 man ironically ends up decreasing the value of rank because it brings with it the possibility that an average player simply got carried.

    I think 43% yes and 50% no is not extreme minority and that such large frequent argued topic is not 99% of people not caring.

  • Ragion.2831Ragion.2831 Member ✭✭✭
    No

    Lol Trevor back again with this 5 man non issue. We have already been through this 5 man queue debate. I wasted my time telling you everything that happened. @BeLZedaR.4790 actually found the video of one of the best players in Gw2 history talking at length against the idea. Many many threads have been created about this topic already resulting in 70% of the community choosing to remove 5 man queues . Yet you still think your opinion matters more than 70% of pvp community including the top players.

    Would be nice if we just get a mod to lock anymore threads like this but free speech i guess.

  • BeLZedaR.4790BeLZedaR.4790 Member ✭✭✭
    No

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @BeLZedaR.4790 said:
    Bring back duoq. Absolutely not 5 man, for arguments that were repeated enough and those who won’t listen will still not listen.

    Smh for all dem plebs who want to get carried in rank via teams, most of the time probably going to win simply by a superior composition alone.

    If you actually are willing to listen to arguments, watch this, from when solo/duo was first offered and the ingame systems were 5 man:

    Do you have any idea how much is wrong with quoting this? Again, it's an example of ideas & theory craft on a subject BEFORE seeing the aftermath of something actually happening. Posting this is about as effective as posting some Britain praising quote from George Washington in his early 20s and then trying to convince us all that he supported the crown. Why do you think all of the players like Helseth left to begin with? It wasn't just because Guild Wars 2 left the ESL. Many of them stuck around for awhile but when it went solo/duo only, 3/4ths of them split. When it went solo only above 1600, they all left. All of them.

    I'll guarantee you that if players like Helseth where still around, they would vouch for bringing back 5 man ques after seeing the aftermath of what happened, because they are intelligent and observative.

    For those who want to read well defined points on this topic, don't forget about this thread -> https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/31128/bring-back-5-man-ranked-que-needs-to-happen-at-this-point-solo-duo-failed/p1

    Oh and if we want to use old pro player quotes as swords for this argument, how about we get some recent up to date opinions from them? Let's try that, let's see how that turns out.

    Hell, you're not one of those that are willing to listen to arguments anyway, so why am I bothering. But since I already did:

    Well all points against it in this vid are still valid,
    and are to illustrate what it looked like with 5 man taking place. Obviously you're biased as kitten since you're exactly one of those people thinking they'll be God of PvP when they can farm pugs with a team. You will be top 100 atleast when that happens due to lack of teams, and teams being OP, I'll give you that, and you know it.

    Again, people failing to understand the circumstances that led to the leaving of pro players.
    Anet was holding them tight by the balls with 0 information as to when the next tournament is going to be ever since HoT where it killed the scene with bunker meta.
    If you were a pro at that time, you had a really hard time to stay committed to it instead of getting a normal job, knowing the next tournament might be never.
    Not even going to mention all the ddos that was going on by certain people, for when those tournaments eventually happened.
    Then when the ESL scene was officially over ofc many of them just left out of the frustration with arenanet's behaviour on this topic.

    This has been repeated during the league seasons with no action on the wintraders and hackers, people not knowing when are they going to be able to legit compete again (Not as serious of stakes obviously, but it is what it is).

    Obviously I agree as I mentioned that 1600+ soloq was imo a mistake. DuoQ is acceptable and still allows for people to make at least top100 solo. Even though duoq is still an advantage, and I'd give solo players extra rating and lose less (very slightly) to balance it out.

    Players like helseth wouldn't vouch for 5 man for the exact reasons in the video, that it lowers the prestige of the leaderboards massively and it puts a barrier in front of players seeking to become competitive and find a team. (How will you prove that you're good so that a team takes you, if you need to have a team to prove that you're good?)

    I've never heard any pro apart from those who already 5-manned during the time of the video (Car crashed, etc.) saying that 5 man should return.

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  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 22, 2018
    Yes

    @BeLZedaR.4790

    1. I listen to arguments that follow current recognizable logic, that reveal current recognizable pieces to a puzzle. I do not listen to old and outdated points of view that are missing large pieces to the jigsaw puzzle as a whole. Your video of Helseth was seriously posted BEFORE the que split. That means that what he is saying is a hypothesis and NOT based from the actual experience of what solo/duo actually ended up feeling like. <- Missing pieces.
    2. "What it looked like when 5 man que was taking place." <- Another statement that was stated before the que actually split. You know what this argument is missing? A current statement from Helseth now going into S11. Thank you, thank you very much.
    3. Yup you're right. I would definitely be a top 100 player or better with a 5 man que system because I wouldn't be losing 1 out of 3 or 1 out of 2 of my matches due to win trading.
    4. You seem to be believing that the system is actually more competitive with solo/duo only and that it is a greater reflection of one's own skill. Apparently, rolling dice is a greater reflection of one's own skill than a game of chess with no RNG. Hey, we're all entitled to our own opinion. I can't blame you for that.
    5. "I've never heard any pro apart from those who already 5-manned during the time of the video (Car crashed, etc.) saying that 5 man should return" Here's a big secret that not a lot of people realize: All of the pro players... had 5 man teams... <- So by your own quote, that would mean that all of the pro players, whom you want to quote, were vouching for 5 man teams. In fact, I remember how many of them were posting in the forum after the vote and telling us all how stupid we were for voting yes. Then they all left. ~ Go figure.

    One more thing though, imagine that we were in the court of law where the kitten you said mattered and quotes/statements needed to actually make sense or the judge would completely ignore said nonsense. Imagine what would happen if it was a situation like this:

    • Bob is on trial for stealing a car. The said car was stolen on 3/22/2018 at 3:00 pm eastern
    • Bob is pleading "not guilty" despite evidence against him.
    • The judge asks Bob if he has evidence that can prove he did not steal the car.
    • Bob responds with a cell phone video that predates the night of debacle by 1 year. ?????????
  • Master Ketsu.4569Master Ketsu.4569 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No

    @Badcat.7320 said:

    @Master Ketsu.4569 said:
    5 man is only desired by an extremely vocal minority. But the truth is the only real reason to have 5 man ranked is largely so you can be carried and pubstomp randos. Of course, the 5 man crowd will never admit this so instead they have to perform mental gymnastics and conjure up psuedointellectual excuses about how the lack of 5 man is somehow killing the game despite the fact that 99.999% of the GW2 population could care less.

    Here is the truth: We already have 5 man.

    1. You can already do 5 man in unranked
    2. We already have 5 man automated tournaments
    3. We already have 5 man custom arenas for scrims

    So the actual gameplay of 5 man is absolutely not missing from the game at all. Right now, if you want, you can hop on discord with your friends and setup a scrim. There is no lack of 5 man in GW2. The only thing that doesn't exist is a version of 5 man that can carry your ranking - and THAT's what most people don't care for, because it's absolutely unnecessary. 5 man ironically ends up decreasing the value of rank because it brings with it the possibility that an average player simply got carried.

    I think 43% yes and 50% no is not extreme minority and that such large frequent argued topic is not 99% of people not caring.

    Vocal minorities are always highly over represented on forums. I actually expected "Yes" to be winning by now purely for this reason.

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No

    Nah, I would prefer if only soloQ was allowed for ranked, even all divisions.

  • Eddbopkins.2630Eddbopkins.2630 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes

    This is a team based game 5v5. There is no 1v1 mode to play by ur self yet the selfish rule the game. I dont get why so many people want to play alone.

  • Mr Godlike.6098Mr Godlike.6098 Member ✭✭✭
    No

    No because we had it,it failed, nobody liked it and que times where from hell.

  • Felipe.1807Felipe.1807 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes

    I honestly think this will be a horrible idea and will do more damage to our allready low population, but I am willing to say "Yes" if that means people will finally see how this will fail miserably and will move on from this idea.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 23, 2018
    Yes

    I am interested in seeing how it would go. I would not have high hopes for success because of certain expectations in competitive misconduct and certain abuses in a team system though.

    Some claim in will revitalize the game mode, and possibly bring back players who left.

    Others fear that the teams will either have atrocious waits times or find a way to win trade, and/or be carried to ranks they do not actually belong.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Exedore.6320Exedore.6320 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 23, 2018
    Yes

    @BeLZedaR.4790 said:
    If you actually are willing to listen to arguments, watch this, from when solo/duo was first offered and the ingame systems were 5 man:

    LOL, that video. Ya, that's just Helseth spouting nonsense for 17 minutes. Here's a summary of his arguments (to save others from having to suffer through it):
    1. Eventually you need to queue as a team in order to progress higher on the leaderboard
    Well no kitten; it's a team-based game! Ability to play as a team is another part of being skilled - just like being able to win a 1v1, pick winning fights and avoid losing ones, etc.
    2. You can't find a team unless you're a top player - see previous argument
    Absolutely no factual basis.
    3. Queuing as a casual group ruins the game for others
    Absolutely no factual basis.

    This video is an excellent example of why good players don't make good coaches or designers. In their subconscious, they focus only on how they play and overlook or have already discredited any alternative approach.

  • bLind.6278bLind.6278 Member ✭✭✭
    No

    No, because as a primarily solo player, it would put me at an ABSURD disadvantage, so I'd just quit, just like every. single. other. solo. player.

    There's a 95% chance I'll be warned for this post, regardless of what it says.

  • Faux Play.6104Faux Play.6104 Member ✭✭✭
    No

    @Master Ketsu.4569 said:
    5 man is only desired by an extremely vocal minority. But the truth is the only real reason to have 5 man ranked is largely so you can be carried and pubstomp randos. Of course, the 5 man crowd will never admit this so instead they have to perform mental gymnastics and conjure up psuedointellectual excuses about how the lack of 5 man is somehow killing the game despite the fact that 99.999% of the GW2 population could care less.

    Here is the truth: We already have 5 man.

    1. You can already do 5 man in unranked
    2. We already have 5 man automated tournaments
    3. We already have 5 man custom arenas for scrims

    So the actual gameplay of 5 man is absolutely not missing from the game at all. Right now, if you want, you can hop on discord with your friends and setup a scrim. There is no lack of 5 man in GW2. The only thing that doesn't exist is a version of 5 man that can carry your ranking - and THAT's what most people don't care for, because it's absolutely unnecessary. 5 man ironically ends up decreasing the value of rank because it brings with it the possibility that an average player simply got carried.

    Was going to comment but this was perfect. Only thing that was missing was paid boosting.

  • choovanski.5462choovanski.5462 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 23, 2018
    Yes

    tfw people think rank in gw2 is something precious with integrity that must be protected

    bro, it's a low pop game with bad matchmaking full of wintrading, bots and hacks. like dude, the value of rank in gw2 literally couldn't be lower right now. as if adding 5 man is somehow going to devalue it even more lol

    as far as premades go, I mean you can code the queue so it avoids solo Vs full premade (or only allows premade Vs solo and 2 duo). so premade v solo can be completely removed. and uh, solos won more Vs premades anyhow so the fear is a myth anyhow

    but like end of the day, without team play in ranked arena gw2 will NOT be a a game you suggest to your buddies in discord to play, because you can't even play it together

    so keep it solo queue only if y'all need to protect your oh so precious ranking (lol as if rank in gw2 is impressive) so much, no skin off my nose. it's just means me and all of my friends will never reinstall or buy gems again

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  • suffish.4150suffish.4150 Member ✭✭✭
    No

    Definitely not, and i think solo q only above 1600 is the right decision too. I don’t think many people understand just how easily good players would farm the leaderboard in a 5 man queue (seriously me and a few friends could just 5 man queue off hours and we would literally never lose a game. That’s not fair in the slightest). It removes any kind of competition because the leaderboard would simply be decided by who has the better team, not who is the individual best player. If you want games to be decided by who has better people to play with, do ATs. If you want to play with your friends, just do ATs. That’s what I do.

    Solo queue is what keeps the top spots on the leaderboard competitive. If you allow duo queues above 1.6k, then the players who only play when they have a strong duo will make it so solo queue players (or people like me who would just play with whoever asked me, within reason, if duo was re-introduced) could not get top 10 spots and that, again, is simply not fair. Solo queue levels the playing field for everyone, so everybody has an equal chance to get god of pvp, which is something I will certainly be trying for next season now anet has dealt with the wintraders. Say what you want about the leaderboard not being competitive, because you are wrong. Why do you think the best players always are highly ranked? Because they have better luck than gold players? Of course not. 5 man queue removes any kind of competition from the leaderboard and should never be allowed to return.

  • Shuriken.6738Shuriken.6738 Member ✭✭
    edited March 23, 2018
    No

    Ofcourse no, you don't even need to explain why. However I would agree on Duo q's in ranked and i believe its restriction is one of the reasons why playerbase got so low but Duo q has some minuses aswell. However it was way more fun to play with a friend competitevely than alone which is one of the main reasons why you actually playing the game, why bother playing it if you don't enjoy it.

    You may say that its unfair for Solo q but its simply matchmaking problem, how is it unfair if u get 2 duo q's and 1 solo q in both teams? Its just healthy for the game, people communicate, find friends in game, play together, which leads to attracting more players to the game. If you don't let people to play together you may have more quality (which is also questionable cause of other obvious reasons like balance) games for a while but in a long run its just getting worse, players leaving so what we got later is the exact situation like now - bad quality matches and low population.

    And yes i know that there is unranked where you can play with friends but its obviously less competitive or not competitive at all for high ranked players premade because players don't take the game seriously and just run around with meme builds just for fun. Moreover there is no rewards for unranked so you don't actually gain anything from this type of playing - no improving skill wise, no rewards, no competition unlike in ranked.

  • Faux Play.6104Faux Play.6104 Member ✭✭✭
    No

    @suffish.4150 said:
    Definitely not, and i think solo q only above 1600 is the right decision too. I don’t think many people understand just how easily good players would farm the leaderboard in a 5 man queue (seriously me and a few friends could just 5 man queue off hours and we would literally never lose a game. That’s not fair in the slightest). It removes any kind of competition because the leaderboard would simply be decided by who has the better team, not who is the individual best player. If you want games to be decided by who has better people to play with, do ATs. If you want to play with your friends, just do ATs. That’s what I do.

    Solo queue is what keeps the top spots on the leaderboard competitive. If you allow duo queues above 1.6k, then the players who only play when they have a strong duo will make it so solo queue players (or people like me who would just play with whoever asked me, within reason, if duo was re-introduced) could not get top 10 spots and that, again, is simply not fair. Solo queue levels the playing field for everyone, so everybody has an equal chance to get god of pvp, which is something I will certainly be trying for next season now anet has dealt with the wintraders. Say what you want about the leaderboard not being competitive, because you are wrong. Why do you think the best players always are highly ranked? Because they have better luck than gold players? Of course not. 5 man queue removes any kind of competition from the leaderboard and should never be allowed to return.

    Even better 4 of you could boost people for cash.

  • milego.4830milego.4830 Member ✭✭
    No

    Just no. If you want to roflstomp solo queuers, do it in unranked.

  • witcher.3197witcher.3197 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes

    At the very least they should remove the idiotic solo restriction in plat and above. It didn't change anything except driving away more people.

  • pah.4931pah.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes

    I don't understand why RANKED even allows solo-qs. It's an absurd system that creates things like afkers and win-trading.

    Ranked should be team only. Unranked should be solo-q, duo-queue, triple-queue, etc.--and should have more gamemodes than conquest. Both should reward chests (ranked, premades only, should have better rewards).

  • Nova.3817Nova.3817 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes

    absolutely... team que needs to come back...only thing solo que did was fuel a mass exodus from gw2 and create the most toxic pvp community of all time!

  • Arkantos.7460Arkantos.7460 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 22, 2018
    Yes

    YES because I want to play with gildies and friedns ... stop this solo ego moba
    my friends dont come back because if we cant play together ... it the end of gw2

  • LazySummer.2568LazySummer.2568 Member ✭✭✭
    No

    we just need class balance (so it's actually fun and not stacking braindead classes) and proper punishment for afks/cheaters to bring players back into pvp. Not 5 man queues.

  • Mutaatti.2789Mutaatti.2789 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Ioras Dagnir.3927 said:
    look at all those evil people who don't want people play to in ranked with their friends, shame on you.

    I think you confused friendship with farming pugs.

    Farming? Farming what? You don't really get any useful rewards from PvP, so only thing left is joy to play with teammates you thrust.

    How about go play soccer with 9 ppl you don't know? Do you think you would enjoy it?

  • Nova.3817Nova.3817 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 23, 2018
    Yes

    @Mutaatti.2789 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Ioras Dagnir.3927 said:
    look at all those evil people who don't want people play to in ranked with their friends, shame on you.

    I think you confused friendship with farming pugs.

    Farming? Farming what? You don't really get any useful rewards from PvP, so only thing left is joy to play with teammates you thrust.

    How about go play soccer with 9 ppl you don't know? Do you think you would enjoy it?

    People dont get it anymore..... they want a competitive game on one hand but then will complain a day later about how the game has failed in its attempt to be competitive because of gamemodes or balance or matchmaking or etc etc etc....needless to say the game is not good in a competitive format it just is not for so many reasons!

    People who just want to enjoy the game with friends those are the people who will grow the population.... Yes you may have some SOLO que players leave spvp bc premades stomp me and i cant be asked to join a guild...(in guild wars)... but forced solo que was literally the worse decision ever made IMO ....

    might as well jump on in and randomize WVW and move everyone to random worlds on reset bc we cant have it be unfair and let people party up and be on coms....its not competitive i dont have time to find a guild....i just want a fair environment! while were at it id like to say raid groups should be qued individually so everyone can get on a team without having to tediously look for a raid group lol (it's a trash idea for WVW and its a trash idea for PVE) so why is it its a GOOD idea for spvp lol (let me help ya its NOT)

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 23, 2018
    Yes

    I voted yes because it's the first step needed to repopulate the mists.

    Just implement a cap like duo has so everyone is catered too, players can play with friends and the rest can chase their leader board position...

    Some of us actually care about the health of this game and not just our leader board position.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
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  • Nova.3817Nova.3817 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 23, 2018
    Yes

    @sephiroth.4217 said:
    I voted yes because it's the first step needed to repopulate the mists.

    Just implement a cap like duo has so everyone is catered too, players can play with friends and the rest can chase their leader board position.

    I have often suggested that they simply should just ban 4 man premade but allow you to que as either 2 3 5 (and 1 if you have combined ques)

    The only match up that was unfair (to me anyways) was to put a 4 man premade together and a 1 pug vs 5 pugs (for some reason if you were not a full premade it didn't appear to prioritize vsing other premades) and also keep the rule that if your que'd as a 5 man premade you may only face other full premades (either a 5 man or a 2/3 man) .....as for 1, 2, and 3 they will just all be qued together as norm i realize that means scummy people will try to que as 3 stack for optimal chance to fight pugs but it was already poven by anet that premades dont have higher win rates vs pugs....AND even if that were not the case the damage caused by not having a team que is far worse then the ladder.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 23, 2018
    Yes

    @Nova.3817 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:
    I voted yes because it's the first step needed to repopulate the mists.

    Just implement a cap like duo has so everyone is catered too, players can play with friends and the rest can chase their leader board position.

    I have often suggested that they simply should just ban 4 man premade but allow you to que as either 2 3 5 (and 1 if you have combined ques)

    The only match up that was unfair (to me anyways) was to put a 4 man premade together and a 1 pug vs 5 pugs (for some reason if you were not a full premade it didn't appear to prioritize vsing other premades) and also keep the rule that if your que'd as a 5 man premade you may only face other full premades (either a 5 man or a 2/3 man) .....as for 1, 2, and 3 they will just all be qued together as norm i realize that means scummy people will try to que as 3 stack for optimal chance to fight pugs but it was already poven by anet that premades dont have higher win rates vs pugs....AND even if that were not the case the damage caused by not having a team que is far worse then the ladder.

    I'm a bad player, so I agree that beating premades as a pug is doable, it happens all the time in unranked and used to happen all the time in ranked... Teams I couldn't beat, were teams I shouldn't have been able to beat such as the top 1% of players.... I didn't lose those games because they were premades, I lost those games because they are better than me.

    As far as I'm concerned.... Anet wants PvP to die out. They never expected PvP to grow the way it did, so they made some changes to shave down the population

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

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