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  • Felipe.1807Felipe.1807 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ithilwen.1529 said:

    @Felipe.1807 said:
    I havent pvp on this season yet, but...really, is Fresh air ele is all over the place on Plat? Its not Scourge/Firebrand/Mirage? Anyway, whatever is true or not, i guess that says a lot about this Season, where a bad gimmick build can reach Plat 1...we all have some bias towards our main professions on the game, but what you doing here is just ridiculous, lol trying to compare the most underperfoming builds to one that is considered top tier...Helseth himself said that Mirage is greatest cancer that Anet have ever made, maybe second only to bunker chrono.

    The bold emphasis is mine. You admit not PvP'ing this season and then go on to speak at length about how Mirage is OP. This is the type of response Mesmer deals with often.

    Wait, did we had any balance patch that i am not aware? lol Nothing have changed since this season from the last one...theres no way I gonna play sPvP on this game state, but i have played a lot of WvW...and Mirage is beyond broken there, no wonder 60%+ of roamers that I find are playing Mirage.

  • Yukio blaster.9082Yukio blaster.9082 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2018

    @Felipe.1807 said:

    @Yukio blaster.9082 said:

    @Felipe.1807 said:
    Looks like someone is scared that Anet might nerf this cancer spec lol but dont worry, i am pretty sure that even if they touch Mirage, the end result will be very little, Mirage needs a whole rework on Traits and Skills, a +5% or -5% damage or cooldown like Anet is used to do aint gonna anything against Mirage...lol "broken builds", ele and rev...this cant be serious lol

    ele one shot is all over the place in plat 1 and above the rev in the other side is rare cos the condi cleans is so bad but still if they nerf condi damage then you will see him a lot with there lovely bursts.

    I havent pvp on this season yet, but...really, is Fresh air ele is all over the place on Plat? Its not Scourge/Firebrand/Mirage? Anyway, whatever is true or not, i guess that says a lot about this Season, where a bad gimmick build can reach Plat 1...we all have some bias towards our main professions on the game, but what you doing here is just ridiculous, lol trying to compare the most underperfoming builds to one that is considered top tier...Helseth himself said that Mirage is greatest cancer that Anet have ever made, maybe second only to bunker chrono.

    @Ithilwen.1529 said:
    Mesmer isn't OP and hasn't been for the majority of the life of the game. In fact, I recall years when it was generally agreed that Mesmer was "trash tier" after the big glamour nerf. It's not a straightforward, "swing the sword" class.

    It requires a certain level of skill, situational awareness and knowledge to fight a reasonably proficient Mesmer. That is the reason it may be perceived as OP. Mesmer will continue to be regarded that way for as long as it wins fights.

    A big example was clone death. It was condemned as "toxic." Yet, Necromancer has virtually the same skill and has had it since gw1. One possible takeaway is that it's "toxic" because it's a Mesmer skill. Removing that ability downgraded quite a few builds. I'd love to see clone death return to today's aoe spam environment.

    My point is that Mesmer takes a lot of flack simply because it can be tricky to play against. Two possible paths present themselves; one is to learn the other is to scream for nerfs.

    Yes, this is all a conspiracy from the pvp community, Mirage is the pinnacle of balance, but we are just bad and want to see Mesmer and all its specs nerfed to the ground...in truth mesmer mains are the best players, they are not getting carried by bad designed skills and traits, we are just bad and must L2P.

    shill dud helseth mad a 1 hour video talking about how shity mirage is and this video is on his youtube channel and helseth is trash now, the best mesmer in the game is misha whom wasn't in top 25 players last season and more that that he swapped to holosmith this season so he is on top of the board by playing holo not mirage .
    and about you saying that the pvp community is bad vs mirage ill say yes simply because it's a new spec and to counter the mesmer you need to know the mesmer so you know how it works so you counter it .you need to have the basics of a mesmer otherwise it's a waste of time i see people running for clones and not the real one!! is this mirages fault(that's funny by the way :D ) !! ofcource not. i blame the human mind stupidity.
    and the condition damage was the same from the mesmer was it with core or chrono or mirage why now mirage is bad to all of you just play it and learn to counter it .

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  • @Zaraki.5784 said:
    Mirage IS OP, stop trying to find excuses.

    well the SB is impossible to kill by a mirage if the both players have the same lvl and you are designed to not die to heavy condition pressure with full counter giving you resistance and transferring conditions for more pressure and ofcourse 2 utility skills with ages of resistance and ofcource the resistance from the healing skill and the loading shield block screen that i have to wait before attacking all this if you die to mirage in less than 2 or 3 min is that you are so bad .

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  • Felipe.1807Felipe.1807 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2018

    @Yukio blaster.9082 said:

    @Felipe.1807 said:

    @Yukio blaster.9082 said:

    @Felipe.1807 said:
    Looks like someone is scared that Anet might nerf this cancer spec lol but dont worry, i am pretty sure that even if they touch Mirage, the end result will be very little, Mirage needs a whole rework on Traits and Skills, a +5% or -5% damage or cooldown like Anet is used to do aint gonna anything against Mirage...lol "broken builds", ele and rev...this cant be serious lol

    ele one shot is all over the place in plat 1 and above the rev in the other side is rare cos the condi cleans is so bad but still if they nerf condi damage then you will see him a lot with there lovely bursts.

    I havent pvp on this season yet, but...really, is Fresh air ele is all over the place on Plat? Its not Scourge/Firebrand/Mirage? Anyway, whatever is true or not, i guess that says a lot about this Season, where a bad gimmick build can reach Plat 1...we all have some bias towards our main professions on the game, but what you doing here is just ridiculous, lol trying to compare the most underperfoming builds to one that is considered top tier...Helseth himself said that Mirage is greatest cancer that Anet have ever made, maybe second only to bunker chrono.

    @Ithilwen.1529 said:
    Mesmer isn't OP and hasn't been for the majority of the life of the game. In fact, I recall years when it was generally agreed that Mesmer was "trash tier" after the big glamour nerf. It's not a straightforward, "swing the sword" class.

    It requires a certain level of skill, situational awareness and knowledge to fight a reasonably proficient Mesmer. That is the reason it may be perceived as OP. Mesmer will continue to be regarded that way for as long as it wins fights.

    A big example was clone death. It was condemned as "toxic." Yet, Necromancer has virtually the same skill and has had it since gw1. One possible takeaway is that it's "toxic" because it's a Mesmer skill. Removing that ability downgraded quite a few builds. I'd love to see clone death return to today's aoe spam environment.

    My point is that Mesmer takes a lot of flack simply because it can be tricky to play against. Two possible paths present themselves; one is to learn the other is to scream for nerfs.

    Yes, this is all a conspiracy from the pvp community, Mirage is the pinnacle of balance, but we are just bad and want to see Mesmer and all its specs nerfed to the ground...in truth mesmer mains are the best players, they are not getting carried by bad designed skills and traits, we are just bad and must L2P.

    shill dud helseth mad a 1 hour video talking about how shity mirage is and this video is on his youtube channel and helseth is trash now, the best mesmer in the game is misha whom wasn't in top 25 players last season and more that that he swapped to holosmith this season so he is on top of the board by playing holo not mirage .
    and about you saying that the pvp community is bad vs mirage ill say yes simply because it's a new spec and to counter the mesmer you need to know the mesmer so you know how it works so you counter it .you need to have the basics of a mesmer otherwise it's a waste of time i see people running for clones and not the real one!! is this mirages fault(that's funny by the way :D ) !! ofcource not. i blame the human mind stupidity.
    and the condition damage was the same from the mesmer was it with core or chrono or mirage why now mirage is bad to all of you just play it and learn to counter it .

    Okay, at this point i am 100% sure that you are just trolling lol, you saying that the condi damage from mesmer was the same from Mirage? Not even on WvW with Perplexity Runes Mesmer could do 20~30 stacks of confusion.

  • @MyPuppy.8970 said:
    Most annoying thing about mirage, and to some extent thief and druid, is the perpetual evade/invuln/stun coupled with de-targetting and re-targetting. Scourges are a better punching bag. I doubt mirage will be destroyed though, but inevitably toned down.

    i may agree about druid simply because the druid don't need all that evades he is all ready a tank ,but the thiefs and mesmers they are squishy two hits and they die.without the evades people can't survive anyburst.

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  • Yukio blaster.9082Yukio blaster.9082 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2018

    @lethotix.2973 said:
    Portal, moa, good damage and sustain. I have watched a lot of pro league games and you even see helseth 2v1ing a point for a long time even. He MADE the class op with the high skill ceiling. Regardless mirage is a different beast altogether. Too much sustain AND damage. One needs to be toned down.

    man this is apply's to a druid in the pro league period not to mesmer cos the mesmer can's stay on the point and should rotate a lot and as far as i know helseth have the higher death count in his team and he is good in one thing "portal's " .

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  • @Felipe.1807 said:

    @Yukio blaster.9082 said:

    @Felipe.1807 said:

    @Yukio blaster.9082 said:

    @Felipe.1807 said:
    Looks like someone is scared that Anet might nerf this cancer spec lol but dont worry, i am pretty sure that even if they touch Mirage, the end result will be very little, Mirage needs a whole rework on Traits and Skills, a +5% or -5% damage or cooldown like Anet is used to do aint gonna anything against Mirage...lol "broken builds", ele and rev...this cant be serious lol

    ele one shot is all over the place in plat 1 and above the rev in the other side is rare cos the condi cleans is so bad but still if they nerf condi damage then you will see him a lot with there lovely bursts.

    I havent pvp on this season yet, but...really, is Fresh air ele is all over the place on Plat? Its not Scourge/Firebrand/Mirage? Anyway, whatever is true or not, i guess that says a lot about this Season, where a bad gimmick build can reach Plat 1...we all have some bias towards our main professions on the game, but what you doing here is just ridiculous, lol trying to compare the most underperfoming builds to one that is considered top tier...Helseth himself said that Mirage is greatest cancer that Anet have ever made, maybe second only to bunker chrono.

    @Ithilwen.1529 said:
    Mesmer isn't OP and hasn't been for the majority of the life of the game. In fact, I recall years when it was generally agreed that Mesmer was "trash tier" after the big glamour nerf. It's not a straightforward, "swing the sword" class.

    It requires a certain level of skill, situational awareness and knowledge to fight a reasonably proficient Mesmer. That is the reason it may be perceived as OP. Mesmer will continue to be regarded that way for as long as it wins fights.

    A big example was clone death. It was condemned as "toxic." Yet, Necromancer has virtually the same skill and has had it since gw1. One possible takeaway is that it's "toxic" because it's a Mesmer skill. Removing that ability downgraded quite a few builds. I'd love to see clone death return to today's aoe spam environment.

    My point is that Mesmer takes a lot of flack simply because it can be tricky to play against. Two possible paths present themselves; one is to learn the other is to scream for nerfs.

    Yes, this is all a conspiracy from the pvp community, Mirage is the pinnacle of balance, but we are just bad and want to see Mesmer and all its specs nerfed to the ground...in truth mesmer mains are the best players, they are not getting carried by bad designed skills and traits, we are just bad and must L2P.

    shill dud helseth mad a 1 hour video talking about how shity mirage is and this video is on his youtube channel and helseth is trash now, the best mesmer in the game is misha whom wasn't in top 25 players last season and more that that he swapped to holosmith this season so he is on top of the board by playing holo not mirage .
    and about you saying that the pvp community is bad vs mirage ill say yes simply because it's a new spec and to counter the mesmer you need to know the mesmer so you know how it works so you counter it .you need to have the basics of a mesmer otherwise it's a waste of time i see people running for clones and not the real one!! is this mirages fault(that's funny by the way :D ) !! ofcource not. i blame the human mind stupidity.
    and the condition damage was the same from the mesmer was it with core or chrono or mirage why now mirage is bad to all of you just play it and learn to counter it .

    Okay, at this point i am 100% sure that you are just trolling lol, you saying that the condi damage from mesmer was the same from Mirage? Not even on WvW with Perplexity Runes Mesmer could do 20~30 stacks of confusion.

    dud i'm talking about the skills why you flying around the torch skills the scepter skills the staff skills and so on if they nerf those skills that will hurt very bad core and chrono when they are allready not viable in term of condition builds. so only mirage can use the condition skills effectively destroying him will make every mesmer player back to chrono or core power creep .. and that not fun anymore :(

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  • @Felipe.1807 said:

    @Ithilwen.1529 said:

    @Felipe.1807 said:
    I havent pvp on this season yet, but...really, is Fresh air ele is all over the place on Plat? Its not Scourge/Firebrand/Mirage? Anyway, whatever is true or not, i guess that says a lot about this Season, where a bad gimmick build can reach Plat 1...we all have some bias towards our main professions on the game, but what you doing here is just ridiculous, lol trying to compare the most underperfoming builds to one that is considered top tier...Helseth himself said that Mirage is greatest cancer that Anet have ever made, maybe second only to bunker chrono.

    The bold emphasis is mine. You admit not PvP'ing this season and then go on to speak at length about how Mirage is OP. This is the type of response Mesmer deals with often.

    Wait, did we had any balance patch that i am not aware? lol Nothing have changed since this season from the last one...theres no way I gonna play sPvP on this game state, but i have played a lot of WvW...and Mirage is beyond broken there, no wonder 60%+ of roamers that I find are playing Mirage.

    WvW is full of power mirage or power chrono or the power core but the condi mirage!!! it has no place in WvW it's rarely played.

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  • @Yukio blaster.9082 said:
    Stop saying that Mirage is OP cos this is stupid and this is why:
    1. Mirage can't hold a point.
    2. Mirage can't one shot.
    3. It's more or less like a thief good in roaming and +1 but slower than a thief only can compete with a thief if you play sword and if so the condi damage is minor.
    4. The good skills have long couldown's like torch 1 and 2 and torch 1 is so ez to be evaded with the sound effect so all you need to do is to wait 2.5sec and dodge or just move away especially the mesmer is slower than chrono(+25% speed).
    5. The only problem is that mirage is all around cos it's the most fun class to play was it in pvp or pve and mirage is good vs core builds in general but not the SD thief(so much evades and free teleports and spam-able unblockable ).
    6. Torment is not a good condi however the only good condi a mesmer can do is confusion forcing the high lvl players to disengage so they don't suicide using skills however the stupid players keep fighting and die and blame mirage for being op when the only problem is him being stupid ,so if you remove the confusion damage the condi mesmer in general gonna be useless and everyone gonna swap to power chrono if they are die-hard mesmers or just change the class .

    and i will list here the real broken classes:

    • The one shot power ele .
    • The one shot core gard .
    • Druid so much damage from the pets and so much heal and can hold a point vs 2
    • S/D thief with the spam-able unblockable with 5k+ damage with crits with an evade frame what more you can ask for.
    • P/P thief is op it the best version of deadeye and its not played in high lvl games simply cos they are ashamed to play it cos it's so ez .
    • Scourge is lovley corupption is real in huge AOE's and the bariers make the scourge harder to kill more than a reaper if in good hands .
    • power rev removed from the list till it show up on the next meta(due the public demand)
    • The lovly FB support .
    • The cute HOLO.
    • The shy one shot power Mesmer (added due the public demand )
    • The scary SB with perma resistance and double swing kill.
      and more.....

    Mirage can 1 shot. Mirage can hold a point.. i dont even need to keep going. I have 3k hours and 5k games on mesmer only in spvp. I can send a screenshot or whatever if you dont believe me.

  • Yukio blaster.9082Yukio blaster.9082 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2018

    @masskillerxploit.2165 said:

    @Yukio blaster.9082 said:
    Stop saying that Mirage is OP cos this is stupid and this is why:
    1. Mirage can't hold a point.
    2. Mirage can't one shot.
    3. It's more or less like a thief good in roaming and +1 but slower than a thief only can compete with a thief if you play sword and if so the condi damage is minor.
    4. The good skills have long couldown's like torch 1 and 2 and torch 1 is so ez to be evaded with the sound effect so all you need to do is to wait 2.5sec and dodge or just move away especially the mesmer is slower than chrono(+25% speed).
    5. The only problem is that mirage is all around cos it's the most fun class to play was it in pvp or pve and mirage is good vs core builds in general but not the SD thief(so much evades and free teleports and spam-able unblockable ).
    6. Torment is not a good condi however the only good condi a mesmer can do is confusion forcing the high lvl players to disengage so they don't suicide using skills however the stupid players keep fighting and die and blame mirage for being op when the only problem is him being stupid ,so if you remove the confusion damage the condi mesmer in general gonna be useless and everyone gonna swap to power chrono if they are die-hard mesmers or just change the class .

    and i will list here the real broken classes:

    • The one shot power ele .
    • The one shot core gard .
    • Druid so much damage from the pets and so much heal and can hold a point vs 2
    • S/D thief with the spam-able unblockable with 5k+ damage with crits with an evade frame what more you can ask for.
    • P/P thief is op it the best version of deadeye and its not played in high lvl games simply cos they are ashamed to play it cos it's so ez .
    • Scourge is lovley corupption is real in huge AOE's and the bariers make the scourge harder to kill more than a reaper if in good hands .
    • power rev removed from the list till it show up on the next meta(due the public demand)
    • The lovly FB support .
    • The cute HOLO.
    • The shy one shot power Mesmer (added due the public demand )
    • The scary SB with perma resistance and double swing kill.
      and more.....

    Mirage can 1 shot. Mirage can hold a point.. i dont even need to keep going. I have 3k hours and 5k games on mesmer only in spvp. I can send a screenshot or whatever if you dont believe me.

    if you are a veteran you should hold point vs veteran's to this to be true.

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  • Wichidi.9281Wichidi.9281 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2018

    i stopped reading after "mirage is not op"
    mirage wins legit every 1v1 besides vs druid. mirage has a way higher burst than druid. lots of access to sealth, perma dodges, stunnbreak on dodge and confusion stackable to the point where as u probably kill urself for just using a skill to cleanse. oh.. not to mention the mobiliy on sword ambush, blink and portal...
    warrior has a couple of seconds of resistance. u can legit just stealth while the war has his resistance up and then burst him LOL
    a mirage can probably kill a rev with using staff ambush skill only or take on a 4 revs at the same time.
    besides that mirage kitten on holos, and eles.
    the fresh air ele build that u mentioned has 11k hp while a mirage with acces to invuln, stealth, perma dodges and blind etc. has 22k hp or something with carrion amulet.

    so i dont know if ur on drugs, trolling, have brain issues or if u are simply incredibley bad at the game (no offense btw),

    but either way ur legit crying about a possible nerf on an S-tier class that had deserved a nerf for a couple of weeks/months alrdy..

    "nerf every other class, buff my main class".

  • @Wichidi.9281 said:
    i stopped reading after "mirage is not op"
    mirage wins legit every 1v1 besides vs druid. mirage has a way higher burst than druid. lots of access to sealth, perma dodges, stunnbreak on dodge and confusion stackable to the point where as u probably kill urself for just using a skill to cleanse. oh.. not to mention the mobiliy on sword ambush, blink and portal...
    warrior has a couple of seconds of resistance. u can legit just stealth while the war has his resistance up and then burst him LOL
    a mirage can probably kill a rev with using staff ambush skill only or take on a 4 revs at the same time.
    besides that mirage kitten on holos, and eles.
    the fresh air ele build that u mentioned has 11k hp while a mirage with acces to invuln, stealth, perma dodges and blind etc. has 22k hp or something with carrion amulet.

    so i dont know if ur on drugs, trolling, have brain issues or if u are simply incredibley bad at the game (no offense btw),

    but either way ur legit crying about a possible nerf on an S-tier class that had deserved a nerf for a couple of weeks/months alrdy..

    "nerf every other class, buff my main class".

    you are a funny man/women mirage is very vulnerable vs holo and watch misha and zan dualing when zan won every 1v1 .perma dodge !!! thats stupid dud who lied to you !
    sword ambush is for power mirage builds and you said warr has a couple seconde of resistance realy dud 6 from the healing skill +2sc or more from full counter every 10sec and 6 +6 sec from the utility skills thats more than 20sec when having the full counter active in between and after that the healing skill will be available again shorter after the utility skills available 2 and voila you are unkillable with condi dmg and the stealth of mirage is mostly used for bursting the first attack with only 3 sec of stealth and the signet of nightmare give you hardly a 2sec of stelth !! do you call this good !! however the druid can stealth on demand nearly like a thief .
    won't answer about the rev part cos that's stupid .

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  • Wichidi.9281Wichidi.9281 Member ✭✭✭

    @Yukio blaster.9082 said:

    @Wichidi.9281 said:
    i stopped reading after "mirage is not op"
    mirage wins legit every 1v1 besides vs druid. mirage has a way higher burst than druid. lots of access to sealth, perma dodges, stunnbreak on dodge and confusion stackable to the point where as u probably kill urself for just using a skill to cleanse. oh.. not to mention the mobiliy on sword ambush, blink and portal...
    warrior has a couple of seconds of resistance. u can legit just stealth while the war has his resistance up and then burst him LOL
    a mirage can probably kill a rev with using staff ambush skill only or take on a 4 revs at the same time.
    besides that mirage kitten on holos, and eles.
    the fresh air ele build that u mentioned has 11k hp while a mirage with acces to invuln, stealth, perma dodges and blind etc. has 22k hp or something with carrion amulet.

    so i dont know if ur on drugs, trolling, have brain issues or if u are simply incredibley bad at the game (no offense btw),

    but either way ur legit crying about a possible nerf on an S-tier class that had deserved a nerf for a couple of weeks/months alrdy..

    "nerf every other class, buff my main class".

    you are a funny man/women mirage is very vulnerable vs holo and watch misha and zan dualing when zan won every 1v1 .perma dodge !!! thats stupid dud who lied to you !
    sword ambush is for power mirage builds and you said warr has a couple seconde of resistance realy dud 6 from the healing skill +2sc or more from full counter every 10sec and 6 +6 sec from the utility skills thats more than 20sec when having the full counter active in between and after that the healing skill will be available again shorter after the utility skills available 2 and voila you are unkillable with condi dmg and the stealth of mirage is mostly used for bursting the first attack with only 3 sec of stealth and the signet of nightmare give you hardly a 2sec of stelth !! do you call this good !! however the druid can stealth on demand nearly like a thief .
    won't answer about the rev part cos that's stupid .

    warriors dont use their healing signet actively unless really needed. cant count this in.
    berserker stance is 4 secs of resi and featherfoot grace is 5 secs. most warriors run break enchantments hence they only run either zerk stance or featherfoot grace.
    thats 5 secs resi + 2 secs every full counter (if the enemy is dumb enough to trigger it)

    and yeah.. u are definetly on the level of misha and zan in order to compare to them.

    the fact u bring up rev and p/p thief is ridiculous. u r making a fool out of urself by saying rev / p/p thief has to be nerfed instead of mirage.

    just... stop. ur making it worse with every single post.

  • Wichidi.9281Wichidi.9281 Member ✭✭✭

    on a side note...

    u said sword ambush is for power mesmer only. do u not realize that sword ambush applies 2 stacks of confusion and the interrupt inflicts 2 more stacks and blind.

    also i said sword ambush is used for mobility. 600 range leaps everytime u dodge with insane vigor uptime? u can just escape anytime anywhere with blink/ambush/portal.

  • Rodzynald.5897Rodzynald.5897 Member ✭✭✭

    @Yukio blaster.9082 said:

    @Ithilwen.1529 said:
    If history is a guide, Mirage is likely to be destroyed and/or Mirage distortion given to another class.

    I'm not saying I think that's appropriate or justified... but that would be in line with previous changes.

    I'm afraid to lose interest in the game if they destroyed the most class i love .it's a very hard class to play and master and in the same time its the most fun if they change it to something boring or useless like renegade i'm likely gonna quite the game .

    The tricks about mesmer is that it is hard to master, but once you master it you may become nigh unkillable, giving you too much counter measures to every situation that may happen in a match. This is what troubles everyone the most. Nobody ever should be so strong, no matter what class class he/she plays and how hard it is to master.
    In other words, a class that dictates the pace of a fight and the only way to defeat it is to hope for a mistake, it's bad design.

    Casual friendly and quality pvp - these two do not work well together.

  • trixantea.1230trixantea.1230 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2018

    @Yukio blaster.9082 said:
    and more.....

    does "more" include Renegade and Reaper in your op list?

  • Theros.1390Theros.1390 Member ✭✭✭

    Lel,

    Actually today, everybody think that Mirage will receive a nerf on February 6th.

    Before the last Balance patch, everyone also said that Mirage was going to be nerfed.

    Remember what happened ?

  • Zaraki.5784Zaraki.5784 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Yukio blaster.9082 said:

    @Zaraki.5784 said:
    Mirage IS OP, stop trying to find excuses.

    well the SB is impossible to kill by a mirage if the both players have the same lvl and you are designed to not die to heavy condition pressure with full counter giving you resistance and transferring conditions for more pressure and ofcourse 2 utility skills with ages of resistance and ofcource the resistance from the healing skill and the loading shield block screen that i have to wait before attacking all this if you die to mirage in less than 2 or 3 min is that you are so bad .

    It's funny how preposterous are people when they are so sure about the class you play just from a guess on your forum avatar.

    "Sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never be able to injure you!"
    The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy

  • Wichidi.9281Wichidi.9281 Member ✭✭✭

    @Zaraki.5784 said:

    @Yukio blaster.9082 said:

    @Zaraki.5784 said:
    Mirage IS OP, stop trying to find excuses.

    well the SB is impossible to kill by a mirage if the both players have the same lvl and you are designed to not die to heavy condition pressure with full counter giving you resistance and transferring conditions for more pressure and ofcourse 2 utility skills with ages of resistance and ofcource the resistance from the healing skill and the loading shield block screen that i have to wait before attacking all this if you die to mirage in less than 2 or 3 min is that you are so bad .

    It's funny how preposterous are people when they are so sure about the class you play just from a guess on your forum avatar.

    also, sb loses big time vs. mirage. and sb doesnt transfer conditions they copy conditions. that guy is high af lol

  • OP's opinions are those of either a troll or a very bad player.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm not so sure about all that OP. Even BAD Mirages are becoming harder to hit than GOOD Thieves.

    But I don't expect them to be "shattered". ..... "There are some mesmer changes we're excited about .... + MOAR!"

    So don't get to your panties in a bunch OP. Anet is excited about changes to Mesmer coming in February, your favoroooot class will be spare/buffed this time.

  • @Wichidi.9281 said:
    on a side note...

    u said sword ambush is for power mesmer only. do u not realize that sword ambush applies 2 stacks of confusion and the interrupt inflicts 2 more stacks and blind.

    also i said sword ambush is used for mobility. 600 range leaps everytime u dodge with insane vigor uptime? u can just escape anytime anywhere with blink/ambush/portal.

    -Actually that's not true the actual sword can't do that and it's on the traits one is the riddle of sand and that is situational and the second trait is on dueling by sacrificing deceptive evasion and that a hard chose to make and its the same think the 2 conf stacks are situational and need an interrupt to be activated .
    -The mobility part i agree
    and i meant copie condition not transfer if i realy meant transfer why i would have talked about resistance uptime and its 6 sec each almost when using surging fetherfoot is 5and3/4sec and berserker stance is 6 and1/4sec because the resistance proc in the last tick too so its 12sec total and its the same as 6sec each so next time don't talk about something you don't have a clue about and the to activate the full counter you don't need the enemy to be stupid you only activate it on the impact so it hit 100% or vs mesmer it's ez to be activated on the clones and the healing skill is a extra 7 sec with surging if the resistance rotation was good the mesmer can't make any significant damage and he probably gonna die or disengage .. so stop trying to look smart you are so dumb go play somewhere else and leave the sPVP alone and leave this post if you don"t like it .

    S A R À B

  • tartarus.1082tartarus.1082 Member ✭✭✭

    @Yukio blaster.9082 said:

    @Wichidi.9281 said:
    on a side note...

    u said sword ambush is for power mesmer only. do u not realize that sword ambush applies 2 stacks of confusion and the interrupt inflicts 2 more stacks and blind.

    also i said sword ambush is used for mobility. 600 range leaps everytime u dodge with insane vigor uptime? u can just escape anytime anywhere with blink/ambush/portal.

    -Actually that's not true the actual sword can't do that and it's on the traits one is the riddle of sand and that is situational and the second trait is on dueling by sacrificing deceptive evasion and that a hard chose to make and its the same think the 2 conf stacks are situational and need an interrupt to be activated .
    -The mobility part i agree
    and i meant copie condition not transfer if i realy meant transfer why i would have talked about resistance uptime and its 6 sec each almost when using surging fetherfoot is 5and3/4sec and berserker stance is 6 and1/4sec because the resistance proc in the last tick too so its 12sec total and its the same as 6sec each so next time don't talk about something you don't have a clue about and the to activate the full counter you don't need the enemy to be stupid you only activate it on the impact so it hit 100% or vs mesmer it's ez to be activated on the clones and the healing skill is a extra 7 sec with surging if the resistance rotation was good the mesmer can't make any significant damage and he probably gonna die or disengage .. so stop trying to look smart you are so dumb go play somewhere else and leave the sPVP alone and leave this post if you don"t like it .

    Ineptitude is not a hard pick over deceptive evasion for condi mirage....

    Ineptitude and blind on shatter are like one of the core synergies for the build in the first place lol

  • I don't play Mirage, but I found something quite ridiculous as I was moving my mirage to be a slave to a rich iron node. Carrying an axe (and I think a sword) and mashing a couple of buttons, I place 8 stacks of confusion, 8 stacks of bleed, and 8 stacks of torment on the mob fairly quickly. How in the hell is that even possible? And people thought Scourge was bad..

    I don't even know what I'm doing, but I cant even imagine how imbalanced this class is in the hands of someone who is even semi-skilled.

  • Guizao.4167Guizao.4167 Member ✭✭✭

    @lethotix.2973 said:
    Admits mirage is op on an older post. Says that he was having so much fun he hopes mesmer doesn't get nerfed. Proceeds to make a mirage isn't op post.
    Seems legit to me.

    This ^^

  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The simple fact is that the mirage is ridiculously overpowered. The combination of frequent stealth, temp invulns, excessive mobility, CC's virtually on demand, stunbreaks with dodge, and ludicrous amounts of condi application?

    They were difficult to pin down before, but this is a whole nother level. Their survivability is insane for the kind of damage and CC they can do.

    The great god Lagki demands sacrifice!

  • @Vagrant.7206 said:
    The simple fact is that the mirage is ridiculously overpowered. The combination of frequent stealth, temp invulns, excessive mobility, CC's virtually on demand, stunbreaks with dodge, and ludicrous amounts of condi application?

    They were difficult to pin down before, but this is a whole nother level. Their survivability is insane for the kind of damage and CC they can do.

    ....and then i follow a 10% health holo and now i'm dead 10k damage from 6 hits from mines .

    S A R À B

  • @Yukio blaster.9082 said:
    Stop saying that Mirage is OP cos this is stupid and this is why:
    1. Mirage can't hold a point.
    2. Mirage can't one shot.
    3. It's more or less like a thief good in roaming and +1 but slower than a thief only can compete with a thief if you play sword and if so the condi damage is minor.
    4. The good skills have long couldown's like torch 1 and 2 and torch 1 is so ez to be evaded with the sound effect so all you need to do is to wait 2.5sec and dodge or just move away especially the mesmer is slower than chrono(+25% speed).
    5. The only problem is that mirage is all around cos it's the most fun class to play was it in pvp or pve and mirage is good vs core builds in general but not the SD thief(so much evades and free teleports and spam-able unblockable ).
    6. Torment is not a good condi however the only good condi a mesmer can do is confusion forcing the high lvl players to disengage so they don't suicide using skills however the stupid players keep fighting and die and blame mirage for being op when the only problem is him being stupid ,so if you remove the confusion damage the condi mesmer in general gonna be useless and everyone gonna swap to power chrono if they are die-hard mesmers or just change the class .

    and i will list here the real broken classes:

    • The one shot power ele .
    • The one shot core gard .
    • Druid so much damage from the pets and so much heal and can hold a point vs 2
    • S/D thief with the spam-able unblockable with 5k+ damage with crits with an evade frame what more you can ask for.
    • P/P thief is op it the best version of deadeye and its not played in high lvl games simply cos they are ashamed to play it cos it's so ez .
    • Scourge is lovley corupption is real in huge AOE's and the bariers make the scourge harder to kill more than a reaper if in good hands .
    • power rev removed from the list till it show up on the next meta(due the public demand)
    • The lovly FB support .
    • The cute HOLO.
    • The shy one shot power Mesmer (added due the public demand )
    • The scary SB with perma resistance and double swing kill.
      and more.....

    Are you serious ?? Mirage is the most broken thing created so far both condi and power are one shot beasts insane sustain and surviability for that high amount of dmg , just ridicilous !

  • Saiyan.1704Saiyan.1704 Member ✭✭✭

    Fun fact, Power Burst Guardian (Radiance tree), whether that be Core or Firebrand built, can counter Power Mesmer fairly easily on and off point.. it's just too bad that everything else counters Power Guardian for us to be any kind of viable on a team. Unless we're with a Firebrand and Necro comp... even then.. i'd probably just choose Engi's burst potential over Guardian.

    @Yukio blaster.9082 said:

    • The one shot core gard .

    Absolutely, positively incorrect sir... only thing Power Guard "1 shots" is an unexpected level 1 Moa bird. Don't spread blasphemy on these forums.

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I still hope for a confusion which does not have dots nor works on aa.

    They said there is going to be a specific version of confusion for spvp, so maybe we will really have a Nice fix.

  • @Kalli.4506 said:
    Lol it's funny cuz first ppl cried over mirage being dead and too weak. That was even before the PoF launch. Now every one cries over it being too op. Mirage is not op. Just let it burst out it's skills, be aware if what confusion actually does to you, use condi cleanse and kill it while it has everything on cd. Many ppl kill themself when trying to kill a mirage, they rush and playing too agressive. Gotta think tactical.

    Imagine that. People making uneducated comments about a class before they even learn it fully. The mesmer in general has always been hard to master but once you do you are the king of 1v1s. Comments about how weak a class is AT THE START OF AN EXPANSION, does not a weak mesmer make!

  • Felipe.1807Felipe.1807 Member ✭✭✭

    @lethotix.2973 said:

    @Kalli.4506 said:
    Lol it's funny cuz first ppl cried over mirage being dead and too weak. That was even before the PoF launch. Now every one cries over it being too op. Mirage is not op. Just let it burst out it's skills, be aware if what confusion actually does to you, use condi cleanse and kill it while it has everything on cd. Many ppl kill themself when trying to kill a mirage, they rush and playing too agressive. Gotta think tactical.

    Imagine that. People making uneducated comments about a class before they even learn it fully. The mesmer in general has always been hard to master but once you do you are the king of 1v1s. Comments about how weak a class is AT THE START OF AN EXPANSION, does not a weak mesmer make!

    Yeah, people said that Firebrand would be useless too and DH would still be king...now everyone says that FB is cancer...in truth most people said that HoT specs would still be meta and more powerfull than the PoF ones....in conclusion, people were talking about something they didnt know, it seens that Helseth said that Mirage was going to be garbage, but later on he says that Mirage is the greatest cancer that Anet ever made...so please stop trying to defend this kitten lol Anet have changes for Mesmer, they didnt said anything about buff or nerfs, in truth, the last "condi balance patch" did nothing but buff Mirage, so dont worry, there are big chances that Mesmer/Mirage might get another buff.

  • Ziggityzog.7389Ziggityzog.7389 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 28, 2018

    Currently most broken classes : Condi Scourge, Power or condi mesmer, and Firebrand healbot and firebot. The thing is with these classes is scourge just needs to be toned down with its unskill based condi spam. Yet mesmer and guardian need some major nerfs. How is it that a class can deal 1 hit kills (yes i have seen 12 stack burn guards you are dead if no cleanse) and dodge damage forever?

    A class should not have 100 invulnerability skills, blocks, mirror dodges, dodges, and evades while also dealing 1 shot kills with 12 stacks of burn, power spike while your cced from stealth, or 25 stacks of the broken confusion condi.

    If you want a class that is meant to distract and have 100 ways to avoid damage then they should not also be able to kill 2 people while dodging damage and blasting condi spam.

    Here is the no skill required mes build Spam condi, spam condi, evade block dodge invulnerable, Spam condi spam condi spam condi, dodge dodge evade invulnerability, spam spam spam. It's sad that anet has made about 5 builds that require no skill and ones that a 3 year old could pick up and win ranked games just by going face first into the keyboard facerolling across it. But it's the only way to sell expansions by making over powered classes for the low skilled players.

  • Bish.8627Bish.8627 Member ✭✭✭

    @Yukio blaster.9082 said:

    @Vagrant.7206 said:
    The simple fact is that the mirage is ridiculously overpowered. The combination of frequent stealth, temp invulns, excessive mobility, CC's virtually on demand, stunbreaks with dodge, and ludicrous amounts of condi application?

    They were difficult to pin down before, but this is a whole nother level. Their survivability is insane for the kind of damage and CC they can do.

    ....and then i follow a 10% health holo and now i'm dead 10k damage from 6 hits from mines .

    Each dodge releases 3 very spread out mines, don't run over them and they won't hit you.

  • Felipe.1807Felipe.1807 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:
    Currently most broken classes : Condi Scourge, Power or condi mesmer, and Firebrand healbot and firebot. The thing is with these classes is scourge just needs to be toned down with its unskill based condi spam. Yet mesmer and guardian need some major nerfs. How is it that a class can deal 1 hit kills (yes i have seen 12 stack burn guards you are dead if no cleanse) and dodge damage forever?

    A class should not have 100 invulnerability skills, blocks, mirror dodges, dodges, and evades while also dealing 1 shot kills with 12 stacks of burn, power spike while your cced from stealth, or 25 stacks of the broken confusion condi.

    If you want a class that is meant to distract and have 100 ways to avoid damage then they should not also be able to kill 2 people while dodging damage and blasting condi spam.

    Here is the no skill required mes build Spam condi, spam condi, evade block dodge invulnerable, Spam condi spam condi spam condi, dodge dodge evade invulnerability, spam spam spam. It's sad that anet has made about 5 builds that require no skill and ones that a 3 year old could pick up and win ranked games just by going face first into the keyboard facerolling across it. But it's the only way to sell expansions by making over powered classes for the low skilled players.

    I agree with Support Firebrand being powerfull, wouldnt call it OP, your whole build is focused on support and survival, no mobility, damage and very little cc(like old Ventari Rev, if FB had that kind of control then would be beyond broken)....but saying that Condi Firebrand needs a nerf?? Thats insane, is probably the weakest condi build on the game, is just gimmick since it only have burn as a source of damage...wouldnt mind a nerf to burn damage or number of stacks that guard can do, but they would have to add other cover condis to guard...

  • Nobody says thief is OP, check this thief one shot.

  • tartarus.1082tartarus.1082 Member ✭✭✭

    @lethotix.2973 said:

    @Kalli.4506 said:
    Lol it's funny cuz first ppl cried over mirage being dead and too weak. That was even before the PoF launch. Now every one cries over it being too op. Mirage is not op. Just let it burst out it's skills, be aware if what confusion actually does to you, use condi cleanse and kill it while it has everything on cd. Many ppl kill themself when trying to kill a mirage, they rush and playing too agressive. Gotta think tactical.

    Imagine that. People making uneducated comments about a class before they even learn it fully. The mesmer in general has always been hard to master but once you do you are the king of 1v1s. Comments about how weak a class is AT THE START OF AN EXPANSION, does not a weak mesmer make!

    To be fair mirage pre launch mirage was trashy and had a lot of design flaws holding it back.

    Mirage was made into the op spec it is now with the evasion frame extension, the mechanical fixes for ambush attacks (staff is the most relavent), moreover the nerfs to spell breaker which realistically was the only hard counter to the spec held it down.

    In fact, if we want to be real as a whole the traitline is pretty trashy and is being carried by elusive mind and condi burst synergy in the dueling line. I mean one of our traits is literally protection on dodge lol

    Basically mirage was made into an op spec nothing about it at launch was particularly op besides the gimmicky ineptitude burst

  • Bossun.2046Bossun.2046 Member ✭✭✭

    This is a troll thread right

    sugoi monogatari oniichan

  • mulzi.8273mulzi.8273 Member ✭✭✭

    fear not folks. A balance patch is scheduled to be released soon. They will address that nasty bug that allows players to occasionally kill a mesmer.

  • Eddbopkins.2630Eddbopkins.2630 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 28, 2018

    Wow if you are having problems with one of the classes with the most in combative options in the game you need to pick another class....no class in the game has what mesmer has. Invulns, 12seconds evade sword skill, invis, mobility, stun brake on dodge, 10 secs staff teleport to stay outa mele range more then enough stun brakers. If you are having problema on mesmer then meser ismt the class for u...i suggest you play another class for a while and see how they do againsts your fabled weak mes.

    I main fa ele and confusion is broken af......there needs to be an icd on it so it doesnt tick immediately after one another. As a fa ele when i go to air I, self hurt my self with atleast 3 ticks that take more then 1/2 my life. Then when i go to cleanse it with cleansing fire i hurt my self again hecause the damageing portion of cleansing fire happens 1st so i cant even clear the confusion without it hitting me for an absurd amount...when i see a condi mes running my way its either run or run. No point in fighting something that appears on ur screen every 2 seconds and dissapears, no point in fighting something you cant even tartget 3/4 of the time b.c of the constant invis and clone production.

  • @Cyric.7813 said:
    Stop reading after Mirage cant oneshot

    Ah for me that was after "mirage's condi damage is minor when using a sword".
    They can't really one shot tho. Unless your opponent has no keyboard.

  • Daishi.6027Daishi.6027 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Condi is the problem, nothing else. I'm not just talking about mirage either.

    If you complain about power, then you should equally complain about back stab builds, and even more so complain about meditation guard/DH.

    If you are complaining about back stabs, then get good. Half the game is anticipation and reads of skills with little to no tell, and mes has less ways to hide it while having to go melee with a ranged weapon, and on a longer c/d.

    Condi mirage may be strong 1v1 but it is not OP for conquest, you don't get to cry OP when something is viable and effective for the format but does not single-handedly carry the game.

    You want to counter it? Run strong condi bomb or Druid.

    You want to call something OP and it be valid?
    Anything that can sit on point and 2v1 or has enough resources to contest 3v1 for a good duration. Or anything that is effective to stack 2-3 on a team when one would be enough to carry.
    Mirage falls under neither category.

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