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Celestial gear time gated in 2018. What's up with that?

What's the point? Its nowhere near OP. Is not new. What with the time gating of a stat?

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  • Tasida.4085Tasida.4085 Member ✭✭✭

    If you want it, then work for it. Easy Peasy!!!! Why should it be a gimme after a bit of time really.

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  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 1, 2018

    Yeah it's a pita.
    Better stacking charged quartz even if you don't have any plan.

    ps: you can also go for trick or treath bags or windersday gifts. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Charged_Quartz_Crystal

  • Fallesafe.5932Fallesafe.5932 Member ✭✭✭

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:
    What's the point? Its nowhere near OP. Is not new. What with the time gating of a stat?

    So annoying that this one stat combo has been arbitrarily time-gated in such an extreme way. Its not any more "overpowered" than several of the PoF combos which are actually way easier to get. But whatever... Its just Anet, in typical fashion, creating stupid bottlenecks for no reason.

  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm still waiting for them to update Celestial with the HoT and PoF stats.

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  • mercury ranique.2170mercury ranique.2170 Member ✭✭✭✭

    People always worked hard for it. Why stop now?

  • @Nuka Cola.8520 said:
    What's the point?

    The point is the same as its always been: they were experimenting with a variety of tools to influence stat acquisition and demand for certain mats. Changing it now has implications beyond a QoL improvement for a fraction of players: economic effects of prices for a small number of items, the need to update certain rewards (notably Wintersday Gifts).

    None of that means that they shouldn't do it; it just means that it's not a simple matter of changing their mind.

    Its nowhere near OP. Is not new. What with the time gating of a stat?

    It's been a meta stat in WvW in a variety of builds that some consider OP, from time to to time.

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:
    I'm still waiting for them to update Celestial with the HoT and PoF stats.

    You want them to decrease all the other stats by 20-30% so you can have a couple of additional stats?
    Regardless, I think they've said they weren't considering that.

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • Nuka Cola.8520Nuka Cola.8520 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tasida.4085 said:
    If you want it, then work for it. Easy Peasy!!!! Why should it be a gimme after a bit of time really.

    I don't want it, i have it. its a stat, not an armor skin nor a weapon skin. Its not a legendary item or an Ascended item. A stat. A time gated stat. Makes no sense.

  • Pifil.5193Pifil.5193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:

    @Tasida.4085 said:
    If you want it, then work for it. Easy Peasy!!!! Why should it be a gimme after a bit of time really.

    I don't want it, i have it. its a stat, not an armor skin nor a weapon skin. Its not a legendary item or an Ascended item. A stat. A time gated stat. Makes no sense.

    Yep, it's one that has always been time gated. So while there's no need to time gate it there's also no need to change the process either.

    It's just work for someone in ArenaNet to do anything with it.

  • Rhyse.8179Rhyse.8179 Member ✭✭✭

    Unless it's content linked to the Gem Store or a new expac, Anet will never update it.

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Not having legendary gear in 2018, what's up with that?

    There's also several sources of stat selectable gear in this game.

  • Fallesafe.5932Fallesafe.5932 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 2, 2018

    @steki.1478 said:
    Not having legendary gear in 2018, what's up with that?

    There's also several sources of stat selectable gear in this game.

    Wow, this guy just solved the problem! Let's go get legendary armor instead!!

  • SlateSloan.3654SlateSloan.3654 Member ✭✭✭

    i hardly play nowadays . have no time to run after items, ressources for month to actively play with others or to be allowed to play with others cause i grinded the gear they want to see or exclude me from the squad, zerg or whatever. done with that. gw1 was accessable for everyone by just playing the story further. kitten that money drainage. no im not poor, i could by any time buy enough gems to gold to directly get anything ingame, but thats no game i play its shopping over expensive pixel kitten in alot of unfinished business cases.

  • Illconceived Was Na.9781Illconceived Was Na.9781 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2, 2018

    @Fallesafe.5932 said:

    @steki.1478 said:
    Not having legendary gear in 2018, what's up with that?

    There's also several sources of stat selectable gear in this game.

    Wow, this guy just solved the problem!

    Actually, this guy did solve part of the problem. Those who want to skip the wait time can go for one of the armors with "choosy stats" that allows for Celestial. The following search will display all Medium Coats in the game that have an option for celestial.

    wiki.guildwars2.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAsk&q=%5B%5BHas+armor+weight+class%3A%3AMedium%5D%5D+%5B%5BHas+selectable+equipment+prefix%3A%3Acelestial%5D%5D%5B%5BHas+equipment+supertype%3A%3AArmor%5D%5D+%5B%5Bhas+armor+type%3A%3ACoat%5D%5D&po=%3FHas+armor+type%0D%0A%3FHas+item+rarity%0D%0A&eq=yes&p%5Bformat%5D=broadtable&sort_num=&order_num=ASC&p%5Blimit%5D=500&p%5Boffset%5D=&p%5Blink%5D=all&p%5Bsort%5D=&p%5Bheaders%5D=show&p%5Bmainlabel%5D=&p%5Bintro%5D=&p%5Boutro%5D=&p%5Bsearchlabel%5D=...+further+results&p%5Bdefault%5D=&p%5Bclass%5D=sortable+wikitable+smwtable&p%5Bsep%5D=&eq=yes

    Let's go get legendary armor instead!!

    Of the 20 options above, only 1 is legendary (one is fine/masterwork and two are ascended/exotic, depending on the source, and, to be fair, two others are legendary precursors, i.e. there's a total of 16 viable options).


    This doesn't make it easier to understand ANet's motivations in making Celestial stats bound to an account and requiring each account to charge their own quartz, but it does allow people to skip the process and leave arguing about what the mechanics should be to those who have the time.


    PS You can modify the query on your own, e.g. substituting Heavy for Medium. Be careful of the syntax: case matters.
    PPS This doesn't include Fractal choosy boxes that allow you to select gear with predefined stats, including WupWup/celestial.
    PPPS This does include the armors that can be made using GM Crafting Marks (from WvW, PvP, or Fractals) and choosing celestial (Illustrious, in the case of Medium armor). It also includes gear from choosy boxes that drop from the Crystal Desert & Triumphant Armor tracks.

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • Deihnyx.6318Deihnyx.6318 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 2, 2018

    @Deathanizer.3716 said:
    Because deliberately wasting our time is considered "earning" it to gamers.

    What is wasting time for you may be part of the enjoyment for someone else.
    I hate grinding, I consider it to be a waste of my time, but I know that's what some people like to do in game, so it wouldn't come to mind to ask Anet to remove hard grinding.

    It's a MMO, there's always gonna be timegate, grinding, all that stuff. If you think that's a waste of time but absolutely want what's locked behind it, maybe play another type of game.
    And also yeah... there are other ways to get celestial stuff today.

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SlateSloan.3654 said:
    i hardly play nowadays . have no time to run after items, ressources for month to actively play with others or to be allowed to play with others cause i grinded the gear they want to see or exclude me from the squad, zerg or whatever. done with that. gw1 was accessable for everyone by just playing the story further. kitten that money drainage. no im not poor, i could by any time buy enough gems to gold to directly get anything ingame, but thats no game i play its shopping over expensive pixel kitten in alot of unfinished business cases.

    I don't know which meta build uses full celestial now. You can simply take armor and weapons with non-cele stats and use cele trinkets since they are basically free to get.

    If you don't have much time to play the game, gear won't carry you anyways, so why bother with exact build when you can just make ~5% worse alternative.

  • Mea.5491Mea.5491 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2, 2018

    I have 3 Celestial armor sets (Heavy-Medium-Light) and I'm working on weapons now (one of each, almost done), it's an annoying but fun journey. ;) Celestial is love, Celestial is life! <3 Edit: Aquabreathers and aquatic weapons included. 3 full Celestial trinket sets (for each weight so I don't have to transfer them all the time) but those are easy to get...

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @steki.1478 said:

    @SlateSloan.3654 said:
    i hardly play nowadays . have no time to run after items, ressources for month to actively play with others or to be allowed to play with others cause i grinded the gear they want to see or exclude me from the squad, zerg or whatever. done with that. gw1 was accessable for everyone by just playing the story further. kitten that money drainage. no im not poor, i could by any time buy enough gems to gold to directly get anything ingame, but thats no game i play its shopping over expensive pixel kitten in alot of unfinished business cases.

    I don't know which meta build uses full celestial now. You can simply take armor and weapons with non-cele stats and use cele trinkets since they are basically free to get.

    If you don't have much time to play the game, gear won't carry you anyways, so why bother with exact build when you can just make ~5% worse alternative.

    WvW Scourge. Used to be WvW guard, before minstrel meta. So... Yeah. You could also get full cele exo set from reward tracks.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @mercury ranique.2170 said:
    People always worked hard for it. Why stop now?

    Nah. As soon as it became possible, people were circumventing that one by getting ascended with selectable stats, and ignoring the crafted exotic tier completely.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It is year 20xx!! Who cares what year it is really.

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @SlateSloan.3654 said:
    i hardly play nowadays . have no time to run after items, ressources for month to actively play with others or to be allowed to play with others cause i grinded the gear they want to see or exclude me from the squad, zerg or whatever. done with that. gw1 was accessable for everyone by just playing the story further. kitten that money drainage. no im not poor, i could by any time buy enough gems to gold to directly get anything ingame, but thats no game i play its shopping over expensive pixel kitten in alot of unfinished business cases.

    I don't know which meta build uses full celestial now. You can simply take armor and weapons with non-cele stats and use cele trinkets since they are basically free to get.

    If you don't have much time to play the game, gear won't carry you anyways, so why bother with exact build when you can just make ~5% worse alternative.

    WvW Scourge. Used to be WvW guard, before minstrel meta. So... Yeah. You could also get full cele exo set from reward tracks.

    It's not full cele though. It's mix with viper, grieving or trailblazers. Some mix it with marauder too.

  • SlateSloan.3654SlateSloan.3654 Member ✭✭✭

    i stand wirh my oppinion, sry. „i currently work on these and those...“. whats it all about to „work“ on anything, this is a computer game.

  • I would rather have easy-to-get time-gated items than items that require days of farming just to find one. (Maguuma lily, freshwater pearl.)

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cragga the Eighty Third.6015 said:
    I would rather have easy-to-get time-gated items than items that require days of farming just to find one. (Maguuma lily, freshwater pearl.)

    That's a good point.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Cragga the Eighty Third.6015 said:
    I would rather have easy-to-get time-gated items than items that require days of farming just to find one. (Maguuma lily, freshwater pearl.)

    That's a good point.

    Or just buy them off the TP.
    Sure, they are pricey, but gold dribbles or drops into our accounts from everything we do. I'm okay with paying someone who loves farming to avoid spending my own time "farming just to find one" of anything.

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • Fallesafe.5932Fallesafe.5932 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2018

    I find that no matter how stupid, pointless, or unnecessary anything in this game happens to be, there's always a contingent of players who show up to fabricate reasons why it "makes sense" and "doesn't need to be changed."

    Fact 1: There's nothing special or OP about this stat combo.
    Fact 2: It's time-gated in a uniquely obnoxious way that no other combos are.

    Contrarian bedbug-fact 1: That makes sense.
    Contrarian bedbug-fact 2: It ought to stay that way.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @SlateSloan.3654 said:
    i hardly play nowadays . have no time to run after items, ressources for month to actively play with others or to be allowed to play with others cause i grinded the gear they want to see or exclude me from the squad, zerg or whatever. done with that. gw1 was accessable for everyone by just playing the story further. kitten that money drainage. no im not poor, i could by any time buy enough gems to gold to directly get anything ingame, but thats no game i play its shopping over expensive pixel kitten in alot of unfinished business cases.

    I don't know which meta build uses full celestial now. You can simply take armor and weapons with non-cele stats and use cele trinkets since they are basically free to get.

    If you don't have much time to play the game, gear won't carry you anyways, so why bother with exact build when you can just make ~5% worse alternative.

    WvW Scourge. Used to be WvW guard, before minstrel meta. So... Yeah. You could also get full cele exo set from reward tracks.

    It's not full cele though. It's mix with viper, grieving or trailblazers. Some mix it with marauder too.

    Metabattle's build is full cele. You can substitute for griever/viper but you die more. TRailblazer isnt a good option in that build

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @SlateSloan.3654 said:
    i hardly play nowadays . have no time to run after items, ressources for month to actively play with others or to be allowed to play with others cause i grinded the gear they want to see or exclude me from the squad, zerg or whatever. done with that. gw1 was accessable for everyone by just playing the story further. kitten that money drainage. no im not poor, i could by any time buy enough gems to gold to directly get anything ingame, but thats no game i play its shopping over expensive pixel kitten in alot of unfinished business cases.

    I don't know which meta build uses full celestial now. You can simply take armor and weapons with non-cele stats and use cele trinkets since they are basically free to get.

    If you don't have much time to play the game, gear won't carry you anyways, so why bother with exact build when you can just make ~5% worse alternative.

    WvW Scourge. Used to be WvW guard, before minstrel meta. So... Yeah. You could also get full cele exo set from reward tracks.

    It's not full cele though. It's mix with viper, grieving or trailblazers. Some mix it with marauder too.

    Metabattle's build is full cele. You can substitute for griever/viper but you die more. TRailblazer isnt a good option in that build

    Metabattle is full of unfinished/unoptimized/outdated builds. They offer good guidelines, but should never be taken 100% seriously.

    If you're a competent player, you would know that cele/grieving mix gives better results when it comes to damage output compared to full cele. You dont magically die more because enemy hits you for additional 500. I've seen players doing just fine without almost any extra toughness/vitality. The key of survival is in positioning and active damage mitigation, gear only gives you more room of error.

    On the other side, if you're just a casual, you wouldn't need to finish any specific build, you could just run some cheap alternative because it's good enough.

    So whether you craft full cele, or mix dire with grieving or whatever, it's up to you. You can adapt and move on, or you can hopelessly complain about it. In the end, nobody really cares what you wear as long as you're not dead weight and can do your role somewhat properly.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @SlateSloan.3654 said:
    i hardly play nowadays . have no time to run after items, ressources for month to actively play with others or to be allowed to play with others cause i grinded the gear they want to see or exclude me from the squad, zerg or whatever. done with that. gw1 was accessable for everyone by just playing the story further. kitten that money drainage. no im not poor, i could by any time buy enough gems to gold to directly get anything ingame, but thats no game i play its shopping over expensive pixel kitten in alot of unfinished business cases.

    I don't know which meta build uses full celestial now. You can simply take armor and weapons with non-cele stats and use cele trinkets since they are basically free to get.

    If you don't have much time to play the game, gear won't carry you anyways, so why bother with exact build when you can just make ~5% worse alternative.

    WvW Scourge. Used to be WvW guard, before minstrel meta. So... Yeah. You could also get full cele exo set from reward tracks.

    It's not full cele though. It's mix with viper, grieving or trailblazers. Some mix it with marauder too.

    Metabattle's build is full cele. You can substitute for griever/viper but you die more. TRailblazer isnt a good option in that build

    Metabattle is full of unfinished/unoptimized/outdated builds. They offer good guidelines, but should never be taken 100% seriously.

    If you're a competent player, you would know that cele/grieving mix gives better results when it comes to damage output compared to full cele. You dont magically die more because enemy hits you for additional 500. I've seen players doing just fine without almost any extra toughness/vitality. The key of survival is in positioning and active damage mitigation, gear only gives you more room of error.

    On the other side, if you're just a casual, you wouldn't need to finish any specific build, you could just run some cheap alternative because it's good enough.

    So whether you craft full cele, or mix dire with grieving or whatever, it's up to you. You can adapt and move on, or you can hopelessly complain about it. In the end, nobody really cares what you wear as long as you're not dead weight and can do your role somewhat properly.

    Full cele is a safe build. I would highly recommend it to people who want that sustain. However, mixing and matching stats depending on your enemy and your own squad comp, is different. Vabbi scourges can probably pull off full griever, gandara might not. I agree with the adapting part.

  • Einlanzer.1627Einlanzer.1627 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think this is just one example of where we have an outdated gearing system, frankly. I think it's time Anet do some serious brainstorming on how to refresh the way gearing and attributes work.

    I'd suggest adding flexibility to the system by making attribute combinations permanently unlockable rather than having to work hard for every individual gear piece. But I realize that's a major change. Still, I think it's time for something shake up the system.

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