SAB race is the most unfun thing I've had the displeasure of experiencing in years.

One fall or slip and you might as well not finish it because you're not doing it in time for the Achieve.

Try starting the race in beedog form. ;) It's slower and more figetty, but you literally can't fail.

Then don’t fall or slip!

I have to say I agree with Oglaf. I'm somewhat surprised I haven't seen more complaints about it, but I do notice the lack of overall participation compared to other races during special events. Started super late and finished second . . . and was the only one of two that did . . . if that says anything.

As far as the achievement, yeah . . . one misstep and forget it. Came in second, third, fourth, and fifth and still no achievement. Tried the bee dog thing from the start, and still no success. Could be I just stink at the controls, but yeah . . . looks like one achievement I won't be getting.

It does not even award any AP, this should easily give 20 AP considering the difficulty

It's definitely the most difficult race I've done so far. It took me I think six tries to finally shave it down to under 5 minutes.

@Ardenwolfe.8590 said:I'm somewhat surprised I haven't seen more complaints about it,Most of the biggest fans of SAB are used to unforgiving mechanics (or at least, mechanics that often behave differently from expected). It's not that SAB fans won't complain; they just tend to reserve their ire for the lack of Mounts or imagining that W3-4 are going to happen this decade.

And of course, the majority of players spend very little time in SAB (as evidence by stats on GW2 Efficiency); they aren't likely to complain about something they haven't tried.

I tried it a few times but ultimately decided that it wasn’t worth the effort. I even tried it from the start as the beedog and found it to be no better; especially because of the controls.

The only thing i have to complain about in the race is the beedog section and the swiftness boost. Them being on half-spaces on the z axis makes it so you have to raise or fall through them.

For me, the first half of the race is fine. It's the part with the beedog that infuriates me.

I don't think it's that awful, but I do have some issues with it (particularly the achievement). I don't take issue with a long race, so long as you have plenty of room for error, and I don't have problems with an unforgiving race, so long as it's short and you can restart it easily, but I do have some issues with a very long and complex race involving hundreds of complex inputs that you can seriously screw up with a bad jump in the middle. One or the other, not both.

Yeah I honestly kind of hated the race. I did it once and probably won't bother again.

I didn't have trouble with this one. It was cool to have a race that didn't use mounts for once, and the flying part was something I had not seen before either. It might have helped that I knew how to do the cave part reliably though. (I think they made it even easier from last year).

Try tribulation mode! then you'll know unforgiving... sadly they made traps you die to visible now :<

i got the achieve on my first try.. are you sure the game is to blame here?

It is annoying to lose the race for a single mistake, true. But a new race starts after few minutes.Think about the Master of Baubles achievement for world 2 zone 3 instead. I wasted 9 hours yesterday (not playing it continuously, with several breaks) and at the end, I missed at least one bauble. I had no idea where. And I couldn't come back to the very beginning of the world, to recheck everything.I wasted the whole day... Now that's what I call the most unfun thing/experience."Feel My Wrath, Please!" (one of the best skill change)

@Kumouta.4985 said:i got the achieve on my first try.. are you sure the game is to blame here?

No 'difficulty' thread would be complete without that one comment, would it?

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

@Ardenwolfe.8590 said:I'm somewhat surprised I haven't seen more complaints about it,Most of the biggest fans of SAB are used to unforgiving mechanics (or at least, mechanics that often behave differently from expected). It's not that SAB fans won't complain; they just tend to reserve their ire for the lack of Mounts or imagining that W3-4 are going to happen this decade.

Haven't used Gw2Eff for this, where are you seeing this if you get a second? Love the site, provides a lot of handy data points, let alone for the quick account search for missing items.

I just don't do achieves that are difficult to me.

I've tried this race twice. I couldn't even finish it in the allotted time, nevermind in 5 minutes.

I don't think I'll be trying again.it's too unforgiving but some people like that.

I dunno, the sinus surgery I had last year was much worse. ;)

Its not rocket surgery but its also not fun. Pretty poor effort, all said and done.

@TheGrimm.5624 said:

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

@"Ardenwolfe.8590" said:I'm somewhat surprised I haven't seen more complaints about it,Most of the biggest fans of SAB are used to unforgiving mechanics (or at least, mechanics that often behave differently from expected). It's not that SAB fans won't complain; they just tend to reserve their ire for the lack of Mounts or imagining that W3-4 are going to happen this decade.

Click on "Stats" then go to "Unlock Statistics". You can then view achievements to see what percent of GW2Efficiency users have unlocked a given achievement.

@Malediktus.9250 said:It does not even award any AP, this should easily give 20 AP considering the difficulty

Im actually pretty glad that it doesnt give AP, means i dont have to bother with it. The time the achievement requires is far too short.

@"mtpelion.4562" said:

Click on "Stats" then go to "Unlock Statistics". You can then view achievements to see what percent of GW2Efficiency users have unlocked a given achievement.

Thanks! Thought there was a festival section in particular I hadn't seen.

Got it myself on the third try. I wasnt expecting it to be that challenging considering the other race achievements. But it was great fun imo. But I rather like the personal gaming challenges that arent about pouring all your free time and your soul in.

Definitely dont care about the reward or that it doesnt give AP. I wouldnt mind seeing more achievements that are probably too hard to reward AP or a significant reward.

Definitely think the points, where you can fall down which means you have to wait it out or quickly redo the underground bit, can be quite unforgiving though. Also if you do it under 5 minutes you have to wait another 5 for your reward.

In the end I think this wouldve functioned better as an adventure. So that if you fail you can start again quite easy. And youre not bound by some timer to try again.