Removal of Shade LoS

Why is this a thing? The fact that you could LoS the Scourge gave the match-ups much needed counter-play. The shades are big enough to hit people around most if not all "viable" LoS obstacles on most maps. (Looking at you Henge node)

Scourge as a spec is already braindead enough, having us not being able to LoS the red circles of cancer just makes it so much worse.Walking at people while smashing your forehead in the general vicinity of the "W" key should not be a winning strategy.

Joking aside though. Scourges are tolerable, compared to previous seasons. But still INCREDIBLY un-fun to fight as they paint entire nodes with visual clutter that's worse than Holo's and Mesmers combined making it nigh impossible to dodge anything of value.The un-fun factor should be factored in when balancing classes. Much like Chaos Mesmers / FA weaver pre nerf.

Just because things aren't overpowered per say, they should not be un-fun to play against.

It still has a LoS check. The target must be within LoS of the shade, and the Shade must be in LoS of the necro. This is different from before where the necro had to have both LoS on the target, LoS on the shade, and LoS between the shade and the target in order to hit.

@Crinn.7864 said:It still has a LoS check. The target must be within LoS of the shade, and the Shade must be in LoS of the necro. This is different from before where the necro had to have both LoS on the target, LoS on the shade, and LoS between the shade and the target in order to hit.

All it does is dumbing down an already dirt easy spec. With any half decent player, they will make it impossible to both LoS the Scourge and the Shade.

@"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said:

@Crinn.7864 said:It still has a LoS check. The target must be within LoS of the shade, and the Shade must be in LoS of the necro. This is different from before where the necro had to have both LoS on the target, LoS on the shade, and LoS between the shade and the target in order to hit.

Shade attacks still have more strict LoS checks than any other attack in the game.

If you want to nerf Scourge, then ask for Scourge nerfs. Creating arbitrary and counterintuitive LoS checks is not how you balance a game.

@Crinn.7864 said:

@"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said:

@Crinn.7864 said:It still has a LoS check. The target must be within LoS of the shade, and the Shade must be in LoS of the necro. This is different from before where the necro had to have both LoS on the target, LoS on the shade, and LoS between the shade and the target in order to hit.

That is a Scourge nerf, no other classes utilizes Shades. (nor any AoE as big and spammable as shades.)

The only nerf that would actually do something to the class is the removal of Sand Savant. But considering @ArenaNet doesn't want to do that. Adding some counterplay is the next best thing.You can keep reducing the damage as much as you'd like. But as long as the shades remain un-LoSable (to an extent) and as big as they currently are with a very low cd on placing a new one. (once again, Sand Savant) Scourges will always be an issue in a gamemode that revolves around standing on nodes. See comment about classes being un-fun to play against