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I... I don't see the point of the gathering tools change...
Oglaf.1074
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I mean, what is the point? Instead of juggling the tools around my characters, I juggle the glyphs...? I just want the special, unbreakable tools to be an account-wide thing already.
If there is something I am missing here, do enlighten me please.
Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.
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The point is that i can finally return to my original Molten Set and give it the boon of my Unbound Magic Tools
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Money money money
Anet many of us will pay $$$ for aura wardrobe
I think the point is that (some) players have been asking for some sort of ability to customize their gathering tools appearance, etc for years.
Well it gives a reason to buy the no frills gathering tools set now.
I can pay 24001800 gems for a set and apply the skin I want instead of paying 3000 gems for a set.
Exactly and now people can buy the new ones because they like the skin and not lose out on the bonuses.
I know I've been using the Unbound Axe and Sickle and the Watchwork Pick since they came out, no matter how cool I thought some of the newer skins were I wouldn't buy one because I don't want to lose out on the benefits of the others. I'm sure I'm not alone there.
But you'd have to buy the expensive set for their glyphs, too...
Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.
It's also a sink (for some people) of transmutation charges. For example, you can buy the horribly-slow volatile or unbound sickles and apply the consortium or golem skins... and voila: you farm v- or u-magic much more quickly. (Some people have more xmutes than they can spend, even if some of us never have enough).
You can also move the functionality to any gathering tool. So if you want sprockets, but you farm leather, you can move the glyph to your axes. Even if you use limited ones, the glyph auto-drops to inventory, so you can reapply it (no cost for moving the glyph).
Is it as convenient as needing to only buy one slot of everlasting tools? No, of course not.
It's still a massive improvement over the prior status quo.
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No Skin for the -tron Gathering Tools. Me disappointed.
I would have preferred to pick my gylphs like i would pick my gathering tool skins, and have it as an account bound upgrade.
A better idea would be to allow them to stack
While those sound nice, they also don't sound very realistic: stacking would make them too rewarding, and account-wide upgrade would undermine sales (both on the gem shop for tools, and on the TP for these glyphs)
"Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer
I think you might have figured this out yourself: you need to logon to the character who has these equipped or in inventory before the skins unlocked (same as the wardrobe has always worked, although we only have to worry about this when there's a huge mechanics change, as there was today).
"Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer
Personally I like the update to the gathering tools but there is one big problem.
I have 9 infinite gathering tools and 4 glyphs +1 from the trading post.
so I have 4 infinite tools without glyphs unless Im going to spend like 800g+ to buy them as of right now.
I dont understand why the infinite gathering tools without special loot didn't get a turn in option to get the infite skin with an upgrade box which contains the glyphs for cloth/leather/industry/movement speed and instead these upgrades are only to be found in the black lion trading post.
There is a set of 3 infinite gathering tools for 1800 gems at this moment but you get no glyphs with them. So you get to spend 1800 gems on the tools and another 600g+ to get 3 glyphs from the trading post.
Fused alliance mining pick: 1000 gems
Shifting sands mining pick: 1000gems but you get a + 33% chance for an additional mining strike glyph.
Why would anyone in their right mind buy gathering tools that dont provide glyphs? What is the point of outplaying myself this way?
buy buy buy .... cmon buy the new stuff
I must be doing something wrong, it won't let me put a glyph on any of the volatile magic limited use tools I have. Is it because you can't put them on something that already has an ability, even if that ability isn't a glyph?
In the event I don't get a chance, thank you all for the company and help when I needed it from time to time.
Exactly. You can only have one "bonus" per tool.
Ah okay, thanks!
In the event I don't get a chance, thank you all for the company and help when I needed it from time to time.
Ask and ye shall receive. Receive and ye shall complain. LOL. Personally I think it's a move in the right direction where ANET is listening to the community that wants stuffs and have been up'ing the ante as of late.
Honestly, I've been waiting for a way to customize my Gather tools for a LONG time now. This changes are even better than I could have hoped for.
If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/
After buying unlimited tools for all 9 characters, and then buying the unbound magic unlimited tools and now having to swap them between characters while the other 27 tools sit on a mule, I had really hoped for the tool slots to be turned into shared slots. /sigh
While a true wardrobe with the ability for each char to have both unlimited harvesting tools (in account bound harvesting tool specific slots) and the ability to have simultaneous individual skins per char would have been the best option, the ability to mix and match skins and bonuses are a step forward. You still need to use the account wide inventory slots or keep a set on your char but at least you can now have a specific skin and a specific bonus together. So it’s an improvement on the old system, not a completely new system.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet might give it to you.
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Maybe to let players customize the appearance and effects... and function of the various gather tools?
That would be my guess considering the changes that were made...
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62658/alliance-design-that-stops-the-qq
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62555/putting-fun-back-into-designs-and-balancing
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/9804/idea-wvw-only-movement-skills
More deflation of materials
Or get them from blacklion chests, true.
I think you're missing the point. Anet's point is not to make it cheaper for you. The reason for a change is because the tools aren't equal. Some offer better bonuses than others. Before, you had to choose - do you want the animation you like, or do you want the good gathering bonus? Now you don't need to - you can put the bonus on the set you like best.
This is the change that has been asked for before.
The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.
or buy them on the TP
I have bought 2 sets of infinite tools, I have also just bought alot of gems today to buy other items, but I am sad they implemented this change.
I have spent and will continue to spend alot of money on this game but I feel this is a rather cheap money grab.
If it goes the direction I think it may go, I will stop playing.
Forgive me for not jumping for joy at the prospect of things gated behind loot box gambling. Further more, you’d still have to outright buy most of the special tools for their Glyph; they are not in the chests.
Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.
According to the blog post the order of things will be.
New tool + new glyph
Then glyph gets added to blc later.
Not sure where that puts the existing tools. At least it means I won't need to get the new pick in order to get the glyph. Just need to wait.
I think you have to understand that Anet isn't going to change things that will make them less money. They still want to sell you unlimited tools and having a more flexible skins/effects/bonus system is how they are going to do it. They care little if an individual player thinks glyphs are too much or locked in BLC's. I count us LUCKY that we can swap a tool with a glyph we prefer between characters with shared INV slots or buy the glyphs in the TP at all ... There are lots of smart compromises here and they FAVOUR the players.
If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/
I would rather they made the gathering tools account-wide, that would have been a much better change so you didn't have to play musical chairs with them if you wanted multiple characters to use them.
This. I made this suggestion some time ago and recently again. It's that I love my mine-r-trons, but love the profit from the Watchwork pick more. Combining the ability from Watchwork with Mine-r-Tron's appearance is a total win!
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
I’m not against Anet making money with premium content, quite the opposite. I’m against gambling. Gambling is never in the “favour if the players”. Get outta here with that Stockholm Syndrome nonsense.
Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.
Why? It's very profitable receiving 60 additional copperlings every 3-6 nodes, isnt it?-.-
Great upgrade for a guy like me who had multiple sets of tools with different animations. I collect the animations I like but I wouldn't buy the same tool twice. Maybe I want to use the molten mining pick skin on three characters. Now I can. That to me, is another way to customize my character. I'm pretty much drowning in transmutation charges just now (I have over 1100) so that part isn't an issue for me.
And the advent of the leather and cloth farming will eventually start affected mat prices, if it hasn't already.
There are new glyphs that none of the tools have available, so that is the point.
Also, glad one can change the tools' appearance, because some models gather faster than others, or one might dislike one tool's sound etc.
Agreed. It would be need to not have to constantly juggle them between characters.
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I don't see the point of pretending to hesitate in written text.
The new glyphs in the TP are already comparable to the cost of buying tools in the gem store in the past, and that's with the initial high prices. There is no need to 'gamble' when glyphs can be purchased directly for less cost than what they were in the gem store.
Forum-writing isn't really formal written text. It's more like sitting around with some mates shooting the breeze, and so people find ways to express the same extra things they can express with their voices - dramatic ... pauses; um, er, hesitations; emphasis stress on important words; and so on.
This is a massive improvement over the old system. 'Regular' permanent tools were a waste of money before compared to Unbound, Dog and Watchwork tools because they didn't offer bonuses. Now, by essentially splitting bonuses and skins, you still have incentive to buy whatever skin you like AND be making your gold back gradually in bonus items.
It's nothing more than fashon wars 2 applied to gathering tools.
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So there isn't a point. I knew it.
And we still don't have account-wide shared gathering tools slots... Guess I still won't be buying unbreakable tools any time soon.
But we do have shared slots. It's not hard swapping the tools between characters.
The one thing I want to see happen in regards to this new setup ASAP is getting glyphs added to the black lion statuettes. Having new ones only coming from chest RNG is annoying (yes, you can buy them off the TP, those ones came from chest RNG).
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I never realized some people bought more than one set of infinite harvesting tools.
I was hoping for true account bound tools though, as a quality of life upgrade, so you could equip them on all characters without the need to swap them around. But I guess they went the completely opposite direction and I was reminded that "it won't happen since people pay for that QoL" via shared inventory amongst other things.
I guess I'm just a dreamer when I wanted one set of account bound infinite harvesting tools to be easily used by all my characters without buying extra stuff from the gemstore, for "convenience", of course.
ofc, lol, even gathering in gw2 has to be fun and exciting hehe.
Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.
Just some little fun options for gathering. You can buy the effects with karma if you want. Or you can just buy the same tools you always have and do what you have always done.
No harm, no foul. Just more options.
Your thread title though is pure cringe.
You say that as if it matters what you think.
Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.
I have seen much worse, on this and other forums:
Yours does, at least, make it clear that you are mystified by something, and what that something is.