Jump to content
  • Sign Up

Anet: How is it fair that Spellbreaker is designed for PvP only?


Oglaf.1074

Recommended Posts

@Orangensaft.7139 said:it would be kind of boring if every elite spec has to be good at every possible situation...Kind of defeats the point of having a new DIFFERENT specialisation in the first place

I like it that elite specs have specific uses for specific modes or situations :)

No it both sucks and blows.

Everyone else is off enjoying testing out their new stuff on the new maps, meanwhile I'm forced to play the same boring old cPS Warrior spec - WHICH BY THE WAY THEY NERFED TWICE SINCE LAUNCH.

Quite frankly, it has totally killed my boner for the expansion pack as a whole.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

cPS warrior? You play that? Dude, change your build to something you enjoy. It doesn't really matter what you play in pve, definitely not outside raids/fractals. Go play spellbreaker and enjoy like I am.

Nobody is forcing you to do anything except you. Besides, double dagger dmg ain't that bad.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@MiLkZz.4789 said:cPS warrior? You play that? Dude, change your build to something you enjoy. It doesn't really matter what you play in pve, definitely not outside raids/fractals. Go play spellbreaker and enjoy like I am.

Nobody is forcing you to do anything except you. Besides, double dagger dmg ain't that bad.

Double Dagger is terribad actually. The math geeks have done the damage calculations and... it is not looking good. Especially when a lot of the fancier 2-5 abilities are not that useful in PvE to compensate.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Oglaf.1074 said:We both know that you're very much forced to play in a particular way.

You're never going to see Spellbreakers in raids.

To be fair, if they made Spellbreaker so good at raids then you would never see Berserkers. Metas exist and people will run them, so its not really Anets fault.

At least its great for PvP.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Lome.8239 said:

@Oglaf.1074 said:We both know that you're very much forced to play in a particular way.

You're never going to see Spellbreakers in raids.

To be fair, if they made Spellbreaker so good at raids then you would never see Berserkers. Metas exist and people will run them, so its not really Anets fault.

At least its great for PvP.

Who says it has to be such a binary situation? If they made Power Warrior just as viable as Condi then you'd have the choice at least. Currently there is no choice - Condi or bust for PvE.

Oh it is not just "great" for PvP - it is exclusively for PvP...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Oglaf.1074 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Oglaf.1074 said:We both know that you're very much forced to play in a particular way.

You're never going to see Spellbreakers in raids.

To be fair, if they made Spellbreaker so good at raids then you would never see Berserkers. Metas exist and people will run them, so its not really Anets fault.

At least its great for PvP.

Who says it has to be such a binary situation? If they made Power Warrior just as viable as Condi then you'd have the choice at least. Currently there is no choice - Condi or bust for PvE.

Oh it is not just "great" for PvP - it is exclusively for PvP...

I'd say it's really only mediocre for PvP, despite being made specifically for it. I've dumpstered almost every Spellbreaker (with a few draws til someone got +1'd) I've come across as a core Warrior. All you have to do is not hit them while Full Counter is active, and you win.

That being said, making a spec only for one specific game mode is pretty shit.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Oglaf.1074 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Oglaf.1074 said:We both know that you're very much forced to play in a particular way.

You're never going to see Spellbreakers in raids.

To be fair, if they made Spellbreaker so good at raids then you would never see Berserkers. Metas exist and people will run them, so its not really Anets fault.

At least its great for PvP.

Who says it has to be such a binary situation? If they made Power Warrior just as viable as Condi then you'd have the choice at least. Currently there is no choice - Condi or bust for PvE.

Oh it is not just "great" for PvP - it is exclusively for PvP...

There is indeed a choice. Ppl are just fixxed on the idea that u need to go with the optimal setup on raids. Call ur friends together or some casual LFG groups and then raid with spellbreaker. Ur still goin to kill the boss, but it will last 20 seconds longer, no Problem with it ; 20 seconds more fun (:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@FaboBabo.3581 said:

@Oglaf.1074 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Oglaf.1074 said:We both know that you're very much forced to play in a particular way.

You're never going to see Spellbreakers in raids.

To be fair, if they made Spellbreaker so good at raids then you would never see Berserkers. Metas exist and people will run them, so its not really Anets fault.

At least its great for PvP.

Who says it has to be such a binary situation? If they made Power Warrior just as viable as Condi then you'd have the choice at least. Currently there is no choice - Condi or bust for PvE.

Oh it is not just "great" for PvP - it is exclusively for PvP...

There is indeed a choice. Ppl are just fixxed on the idea that u need to go with the optimal setup on raids. Call ur friends together or some casual LFG groups and then raid with spellbreaker. Ur still goin to kill the boss, but it will last 20 seconds longer, no Problem with it ; 20 seconds more fun (:

DPS with Power Berserker is absolutely terrible, and DPS with Spellbreaker is even worse. You'd have to run PS to be of any use to the raid, but even then, a Condi PS could pull in the numbers and provide Might. SB isn't just suboptimal, it's not viable.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Helbjorne.9368 said:

@Oglaf.1074 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Oglaf.1074 said:We both know that you're very much forced to play in a particular way.

You're never going to see Spellbreakers in raids.

To be fair, if they made Spellbreaker so good at raids then you would never see Berserkers. Metas exist and people will run them, so its not really Anets fault.

At least its great for PvP.

Who says it has to be such a binary situation? If they made Power Warrior just as viable as Condi then you'd have the choice at least. Currently there is no choice - Condi or bust for PvE.

Oh it is not just "great" for PvP - it is exclusively for PvP...

I'd say it's really only mediocre for PvP, despite being made specifically for it. I've dumpstered almost every Spellbreaker (with a few draws til someone got +1'd) I've come across as a core Warrior. All you have to do is not hit them while Full Counter is active, and you win.

That being said, making a spec only for one specific game mode is pretty kitten.

Its pretty odd, it feels way more glassy than i have ever felt warrior to be. And way weaker than im use to warrior being too. Might be my build and the fact I have to basicly come up with new rotations (which I did not have any prob with Berserker)Maybe I am focusing tooo much on boon removal, but it feels like a easily countered and downed mess.

edit: then again it does feel like I am being ganged up on 90% of the time since my team always seems to be terrible recently....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Helbjorne.9368 said:

@Opopanax.1803 said:Op, chill man! You have already flooded the warrior forum with complaints. Just take a moment to.enjoy the new content or any of the other new things in the xpac of you don't like the warrior spec.

PoF can be completed in a day with no replayability. What content?

Its been a day and i still dont have all mounts, completed story, got armors, weapons, done collections, aquired minis, titles, bags possible utilities etc. And in 2 months prob we will have a raid maybe a fractal and a lw update.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@zealex.9410 said:

@Oglaf.1074 said:It has zero use in PvE. How is it in any shape or form fair that you designed the new Warrior spec to be useless in a good chunk of the game? It is not...

Claiming that it has no use in pve without having seen How raids will play out in pof is silly.

And how would PoF raids somehow make Spellbreaker (or heck, Power Warrior in general) viable in the existing raids, I might ask?

It won't so that's a rather silly point.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@zealex.9410 said:

@Helbjorne.9368 said:

@Opopanax.1803 said:Op, chill man! You have already flooded the warrior forum with complaints. Just take a moment to.enjoy the new content or any of the other new things in the xpac of you don't like the warrior spec.

PoF can be completed in a day with no replayability. What content?

Its been a day and i still dont have all mounts, completed story, got armors, weapons, done collections, aquired minis, titles, bags possible utilities etc. And in 2 months prob we will have a raid maybe a fractal and a lw update.

I said it can be completed in a day, and there are plenty of players that already have all 4 mounts, 100% map completion, and all Mastery points. Just because you like to take a month to complete the content doesn't mean the content takes a month to complete. I wouldn't call skins, minis, and titles content, either.

As for raids and a new fractal, yay for PvE players.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This is the fault of Anet and the community. Anet for abandoning their principle of "bring the player, not the class" and allowing DPS meters. The community for basicly demanding "optimal builds" and dismissing anything that isn't the meta build as useless.

If Spellbreaker isn't the best in Raids, people cry. If it isn't the best in PvP, people cry. If it isn't the best in PvE, people cry. If it isn't the best in WvW, people cry. If it is the best in all gamemodes, people cry for being forced into one build.You cannot have every possible build simulteneaously be the optimal build in every possible game mode. And whenever one build isn't the optimal build, people cry about that.

If Spellbreaker was the Raid spec then it would mean Berserker isn't, and then the people who play Berserker will cry. Because none of you can accept that maybe someone doesn't play the cookiecutter meta build, therefor the cookiecutter meta build should be MY favortite build. If it isn't, anet needs to buff MY favorite build till it is.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Oglaf.1074 said:

@zealex.9410 said:

@Oglaf.1074 said:It has zero use in PvE. How is it in any shape or form fair that you designed the new Warrior spec to be useless in a good chunk of the game? It is not...

Claiming that it has no use in pve without having seen How raids will play out in pof is silly.

And how would PoF raids somehow make Spellbreaker (or heck, Power Warrior in general) viable in the existing raids, I might ask?

It won't so that's a rather silly point.

They're going to make it so the bosses do a small AoE every 8 seconds so SB can use full counter while the rest of the raid gets melted, duh! :tongue:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Helbjorne.9368 said:

@zealex.9410 said:

@Helbjorne.9368 said:

@Opopanax.1803 said:Op, chill man! You have already flooded the warrior forum with complaints. Just take a moment to.enjoy the new content or any of the other new things in the xpac of you don't like the warrior spec.

PoF can be completed in a day with no replayability. What content?

Its been a day and i still dont have all mounts, completed story, got armors, weapons, done collections, aquired minis, titles, bags possible utilities etc. And in 2 months prob we will have a raid maybe a fractal and a lw update.

I said it
can
be completed in a day, and there are plenty of players that already have all 4 mounts, 100% map completion, and all Mastery points. Just because you like to take a month to complete the content doesn't mean the content takes a month to complete. I wouldn't call skins, minis, and titles content, either.

As for raids and a new fractal, yay for PvE players.

But skins, minis and titles are content.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Terrahero.9358 said:This is the fault of Anet and the community. Anet for abandoning their principle of "bring the player, not the class" and allowing DPS meters. The community for basicly demanding "optimal builds" and dismissing anything that isn't the meta build as useless.

If Spellbreaker isn't the best in Raids, people cry. If it isn't the best in PvP, people cry. If it isn't the best in PvE, people cry. If it isn't the best in WvW, people cry. If it is the best in all gamemodes, people cry for being forced into one build.You cannot have every possible build simulteneaously be the optimal build in every possible game mode. And whenever one build isn't the optimal build, people cry about that.

If Spellbreaker was the Raid spec then it would mean Berserker isn't, and then the people who play Berserker will cry. Because none of you can accept that maybe someone doesn't play the cookiecutter meta build, therefor the cookiecutter meta build should be MY favortite build. If it isn't, anet needs to buff MY favorite build till it is.

Oh boy. Even without DPS meters you could use TTK on the 4mil HP golem and approximate the DPS of any given class, so that point is absolute moot. The community doesn't demand optimal builds for fun, they do it so playing through a raid doesn't feel like kicking yourself in the nuts for 3 hours. Yes, there will always be meta builds, that's what meta stands for (most efficient tactics available), but that doesn't mean that other specs can't be close. If Power PS and Condi PS were within 10% of eachother, do you really think everyone would continue to blindly play Condi PS in raids? Fuck no. I can't stand condi builds, but considering Power does less than 50% of Condi's damage, we're bottlenecked into going Condi. Something can be viable and not be the best, and people are asking for viability. This boils down to a balance issue, not a community issue as you're so desperately trying to make it out to be.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Terrahero.9358 said:If Spellbreaker was the Raid spec then it would mean Berserker isn't, and then the people who play Berserker will cry.

They are not inherently competing with one-another, really.

Berserker -> CondiSpellbreaker ->Power

You would simply have variety if Spellbreaker (or Power builds in general) could do just as well as Condi builds do atm.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

×
×
  • Create New...