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Zhaitan is he really dead.

jthadman.5826jthadman.5826 Member ✭✭
edited April 23, 2018 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

I dont really think zhaitan was killed at the end of guild wars 2 campaign for a couple reasons. First I believe that zhaitan is a collective or hive mind if u will. I think that zhaitan can rise again from his undead minions to exact his revenge. Think about it in the campaign u fight enemies known as zhaitan's mouth and his eye. When u kill them zhaitan feels pain. Why is this? Then there's the fact that zhaitan receives the knowledge of the enemies he kills. To me this seems like the undead is a single mind so I think for a future expansion we go to another continent where zhaitan has been rebuilding him self since his fall in orr. This would be really cool because it would bring back a really cool villain who's boss battle was underwhelming and give him a chance to show his full wrath maybe we have to get past the sea dragon before we get to the other continent maybe where stranded on the continent because of the sea dragon. Picture this we go out to fight the sea dragon when we are attacked by his minions then the sea dragon comes from the depths and wrecks our ship we get stranded on a strange new world that looks alright at first but as we go further inland we are met with undead resistance. We later find out that zhaitan has been rebuilding himself since our last battle.

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  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Zhaitan was a hive-mind sorta deal yes, but the key point is that it was a one-way street: Zhaitan reaches out through his minions only. They were a tool to spread his influence and enact his will. A puppeteer and his puppets. When we killed Zhaitan this hive-mind got killed as well, which is why post-death Risen are running around all feral and the like.

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  • jthadman.5826jthadman.5826 Member ✭✭
    edited April 23, 2018

    I honestly think the risen acting feral doesn't prove anything as creatures of a hive mind get farther away there connection weakens so they do the last thing zhaitan had on his mind to defend himself because he was being attacked so as u get closer to the main cluster of undead they act more intelligent that's why u see the undead acting more organized as u get closer to orr but the farther u get the less organized they are. That's why zhaitan needs necromancers to expand and organize his army that are out side of the hive mind reach. That's why we didn't see necromancers in orr working for zhaitan

  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You’re still seeing the hive-mind in the wrong light. As I said, it is not a two-way thing. It was merely a one-way thing of how Elder Dragons (as Modremoth did this as well) function. It is a commmand structure with the dragon doing everything, and the more powerful dragon minions (such as the various “body parts”) are just relay nodes to boost the “signal” given off by the dragon. The reason why the Mouth of Zhaitan is named just that is so symbolic to the point where it almost becomes literal. Almost.

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  • TexZero.7910TexZero.7910 Member ✭✭✭✭

    How do you kill that which is already dead ?

  • Ya I guess u might be right on the fact that it's a one way street but that still doesn't mean zhaitan dead. Zhaitan I would argue is the smartest of the dragons because of his ability to acquire information through mortals so his ''death'' could have easily been a trick considering the fact that the only confirmation of his death was the fact that we saw him fall in what I assume to be the ocean. So the question now is less if his minions can continue his power in the since of giving him an entire new body and more how much of his body he actually needs before he dies. Meaning as long as his head is still intact and functioning he can be rebuilt using other undead minions.

  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 23, 2018

    @TexZero.7910 said:
    How do you kill that which is already dead ?

    Undeath technically makes you deadable again, I reckon.

    Besides, do we even know if Zhaitan itself is undead? Might just be all the necromantic powers it possess that makes it look that way. I mean, if Zhaitan is undead that would imply it died at some point, which raises the questions of who killed it and who else came along and raised it from the dead afterwards?

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  • jthadman.5826jthadman.5826 Member ✭✭
    edited April 23, 2018

    @Oglaf.1074 said:

    @TexZero.7910 said:
    How do you kill that which is already dead ?

    Undeath technically makes you deadable again, I reckon.

    Besides, do we even know if Zhaitan itself is undead? Might just be all the necromantic powers it possess that makes it look that way. I mean, if Zhaitan is undead that would imply it died at some point, which raises the questions of who killed it and who else came along and raised it from the dead afterwards?

    Now there's a cool idea. What if zhaitan is a minion of dhuum

  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @jthadman.5826 said:
    Ya I guess u might be right on the fact that it's a one way street but that still doesn't mean zhaitan dead. Zhaitan I would argue is the smartest of the dragons because of his ability to acquire information through mortals so his ''death'' could have easily been a trick considering the fact that the only confirmation of his death was the fact that we saw him fall in what I assume to be the ocean. So the question now is less if his minions can continue his power in the since of giving him an entire new body and more how much of his body he actually needs before he dies. Meaning as long as his head is still intact and functioning he can be rebuilt using other undead minions.

    1) All dragons possess this ability to gather information via corrupting mortals. It is implied that Jormag does it with the Svanir and we see Modremoth do it in the HoT story.

    2) Zhaitan doesn’t have to be particularly smarter than the rest. Given our interactions with both it and Modremoth, Elder Dragons in general seem to be highly intelligent beings. They just don’t seem too interested in conversation.

    3) You’re forgetting the big plot point of Elder Dragons releasing their “essence” whenever they die (much like the human gods). There’s no “soul” left of Zhaitan to be put into a new body or anything like that. The finality of the death of an Elder Dragon is the whole reason behind the conflict between your character and Balthazar in the PoF story.

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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So with Zhaitan dead, I guess he can’t corrupt himself and come back as an undead slave to himself?

  • @Oglaf.1074 said:

    @jthadman.5826 said:
    Ya I guess u might be right on the fact that it's a one way street but that still doesn't mean zhaitan dead. Zhaitan I would argue is the smartest of the dragons because of his ability to acquire information through mortals so his ''death'' could have easily been a trick considering the fact that the only confirmation of his death was the fact that we saw him fall in what I assume to be the ocean. So the question now is less if his minions can continue his power in the since of giving him an entire new body and more how much of his body he actually needs before he dies. Meaning as long as his head is still intact and functioning he can be rebuilt using other undead minions.

    1) All dragons possess this ability to gather information via corrupting mortals. It is implied that Jormag does it with the Svanir and we see Modremoth do it in the HoT story.

    2) Zhaitan doesn’t have to be particularly smarter than the rest. Given our interactions with both it and Modremoth, Elder Dragons in general seem to be highly intelligent beings. They just don’t seem too interested in conversation.

    3) You’re forgetting the big plot point of Elder Dragons releasing their “essence” whenever they die (much like the human gods). There’s no “soul” left of Zhaitan to be put into a new body or anything like that. The finality of the death of an Elder Dragon is the whole reason behind the conflict between your character and Balthazar in the PoF story.

    I'm not forgetting the fact that elder dragons release power when they die because that never really happened with zhaitan. Though this could be so to the fact that the writers didn't come up with the idea of magic being released till later but dont u think that if zhaitan died there would be some sort of huge magical explosion like the one that happened when we killed balthazar. I did forget that all of dragons get information through corruption.

  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It did happen with Zhaitan but story-wise the relevant characters only came to realize it in retrospect (after Modremoth bit the dust).

    So yeah, you’re most likely right in that it was probably a plot device/point the HoT writers came up with many years after the original writers had us kill off Zhaitan.

    They probably felt the story needed a twist rather than our characters just axing the Elder Dragons one after another.

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  • @Oglaf.1074 said:
    It did happen with Zhaitan but story-wise the relevant characters only came to realize it in retrospect (after Modremoth bit the dust).

    So yeah, you’re most likely right in that it was probably a plot device/point the HoT writers came up with many years after the original writers had us kill off Zhaitan.

    They probably felt the story needed a twist rather than our characters just axing the Elder Dragons one after another.

    What I'm trying to say is that the zhaitan boss battle was a bit anticlimactic. I think it was held back by game developers technology and skill at the time. I think more people enjoyed the world bosses. Now I think the idea of changing a really minor detail in lore to bring him back isnt that bad of an idea. The writers could even pass it off to the fact that we know so little of the dragons and what we do know of them isnt technically true. Making zhaitan a true hive mind in the since that he can rebuild himself is not a bad idea. At the end of the day zhaitan's survival is more beneficial to us as players this is because when u kill off a character as big as an elder dragon ur not just killing the dragon but ur also killing any future content that the dragon could hold. Dont get the idea that I'm just a zhaitan fan boy because I'm not I think zhaitan should die but not yet if we bring him back for one final expansion we can give him a truly note worthy death. Think about it like this why did the new star wars movie suck? They killed off snoak too early he was mysterious and undeveloped. We as viewers wanted to uncover his secrets and see some character development. Now let's compare this too zhaitan. Zhaitan was a hugely hyped up antagonist he practically seemed invincible throughout the guild wars 2 story and then we have a couple victories show up on his door step and kill him. The boss battle was quite dull to be honest and when we beat him he just plummeted into the sea. Now if we bring him back maybe the sea dragon helps him get back up on his feet or maybe even take control of his corpse and uses his essence to control the undead he commanded them we get more gameplay and a cooler ending to the elder dragon zhaitan

  • starhunter.6015starhunter.6015 Member ✭✭✭

    When Zhaitan died, all of his powers his essence leaked out. They used that as in game lore to explain the power buff Tequatal got. Also in Siren's landing some of the Risen Knights are rounding up stray risen to control. So some influence of Zhaitan is still lingering.
    Now we know that we killed the mind of Mordy yet we never got to see his real form minus all the vines. So at the end of personal story when we blow Zhaitan apart with the laser we destroyed his body but and this is just a big but, His mind could of been somewhere else. So he could of survived but completely powerless now as the other Elder dragons feed on his spilled magic.
    So if Zhaitan is alive he would not pose any threat to the world anytime soon unless he is getting help from another . An Dhuum would never help Zhaitan.

  • Haleydawn.3764Haleydawn.3764 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Yes he’s dead.
    Cinematic upon activating the final pedestal:
    Sadizi: The millennia-long Elder Dragon cycle is one of feast and famine. Ravenous, they rise. Sated, they sleep.
    Sadizi: Glint and the Forgotten set out to break this cycle of extremes and to restore true balance.
    Sadizi: But when two Elder Dragons were unexpectedly eliminated from the cycle at one time, we believe it created a void. (Speaking of Zhaitan and Mordy)
    Sadizi: A void that caused the system to break down and the collapse to begin.
    Sadizi: The hope was that Glint's legacy would stabilize the cycle.
    Sadizi: We theorize these vacancies must be filled with entities that circulate and share magic rather than hoard it.
    Sadizi: Only then will the balance of magic truly become stable. Only then will Glint's legacy achieve its ultimate purpose.

    Imbalance of magical energy is the proof.

    The above was written as part of an attempt to waste time.

  • Samnang.1879Samnang.1879 Member ✭✭✭

    omgggg you spoiled me... i didn't know zhaitan died

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    • Bachelors get 10% karma, magic find
    • Couple get 10% gold, exp
    • Option to marry companion/android bought from gemstore
  • EpicName.4523EpicName.4523 Member ✭✭✭

    Here is the truth:
    If the devs start to run short on ideas they will bring back Zhaitan in one shape or another. With the current rate of dragonslaying I fully expect this to happen or even to have all of them merge at some point into some super undead-plant-crystal-fire-ice-whatever dragon after each is beaten individually.

  • Ahnog.8795Ahnog.8795 Member ✭✭

    Zhaitan is dead, but his magic is now shared by the other elder dragons.

  • Oneira.7691Oneira.7691 Member ✭✭
    edited April 23, 2018

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression from what i read is that Elder Dragons differ from Gods in that the former are akin to primal elements that were there at the beginning of the world, primal elemental forces that took the individual form of dragons. Killing a dragon destroys the individual form in which those forces are concentrated and releases those primal forces back into the world. Sort of like a 1000 megaton thermonuclear explosion going off.

  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 23, 2018

    I don't think Anet will pull this plot twist, based on HoT and LS3. When Mordremoth died, Jormag and Kralk cannibalised "mind and cabbage" energies to create hybrid minions. Since Mordremoth was creating mordrem minions from corpses durring HoT, I think it's safe to say Mordremoth ate Zhaitan - meaning Zhaitan must have died durring the personal story, or soon after.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Zhaitan is very definitely dead. We don't see (most of) his body, but other characters in the story have.

    You know how the dungeon tokens for The Ruined City of Arah dungeon are called Shards of Zhaitan? That's not a metaphor, they're literally tiny pieces of his corpse which are found all over the area and which some NPCs are interested in obtaining for their magical properties. In an early version of the explorable mode dungeon it was possible to see his corpse, but that was taken out when the design of the dragon in the story mode was changed. (I can't remember if they made him bigger or smaller, but either way having him in the explorable mode didn't fit any more.)

    We also learn during Season 2 that the Priory has his tail in their Special Collections. And as discussed at the moment of his death his magic was dissipated and largely absorbed by the other Elder Dragons. Apparently this is what allowed Mordremoth to use corpses of dead Pact soldiers as a template for his minions, and created the Vine Touched Destroyers. We didn't know this until later of course, but that's often the case with new discoveries.

    The NPCs in Siren's Landing also seem pretty confident he's dead, and specifically talk about the remaining risen being less focused and coordinated, although still a threat, and how his corruption is slowly fading from the land now he's not around.

    Also, I don't think this is cannon so much as game mechanics, but it used to be possible to drop below the map after finishing Arah story mode and find Zhaitan's body. Unfortunately that seems to have been fixed around the time they made it into a single-player story instead of a 5-player dungeon, it used to be pretty easy (you basically just had to jump off the airship and bring a revive orb) and I've not been able to do it since, and not for lack of trying.

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @jthadman.5826 said:

    @Oglaf.1074 said:

    @TexZero.7910 said:
    How do you kill that which is already dead ?

    Undeath technically makes you deadable again, I reckon.

    Besides, do we even know if Zhaitan itself is undead? Might just be all the necromantic powers it possess that makes it look that way. I mean, if Zhaitan is undead that would imply it died at some point, which raises the questions of who killed it and who else came along and raised it from the dead afterwards?

    Now there's a cool idea. What if zhaitan is a minion of dhuum

    Zhaitan was n tyria thousands of years before dhuum.

  • Tenrai Senshi.2017Tenrai Senshi.2017 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 23, 2018

    The mere fact that other elder dragons have absorbed and thus gained access to Zhaitan's death magic is proof enough that his magical energy has left his body and seeped out into the world. That would only happen if Zhaitan himself was "killed". If it was possible to absorb another dragon's unique magic properties before their death or when their death was incomplete, I'm sure we would have seen instances of that already. Also, if it was a case of being a hive mind and having one's consciousness capable of moving between other entities connected to him, I'm sure Zhaitan would have had his minions gather the magical energy dispersed when its main body died before the other elder dragons could get to it. In fact, if the hive mind theory was true, I would have imagined that Zhaitan would not have put all his eggs (or in this case, magic) in one body to begin with, and rather had a back-up in case his main body was destroyed, which doesn't' seem to be the case.

    And if it wasn't possible for Zhaitan to spread his magic or have his minions absorb it after his death, then it's already too late for him, even if he is still alive, because the magical energy that used to belong to him has already been absorbed and so he won't be able to return to his former strength with that void of magic existing, unless one of the other currently awake elder dragons die (or alternatively, some other all powerful being such as a god died within his vicinity). Basically, he'd never become the threat he used to be, and would just be another road bump on the path to much greater adversaries. I reckon rather than ANet trying to bring him back to life, they just need to rework his encounter a bit in the original story to be better.

  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @jthadman.5826 said:
    I dont really think zhaitan was killed at the end of guild wars 2 campaign for a couple reasons. First I believe that zhaitan is a collective or hive mind if u will. I think that zhaitan can rise again from his undead minions to exact his revenge. Think about it in the campaign u fight enemies known as zhaitan's mouth and his eye. When u kill them zhaitan feels pain. Why is this? Then there's the fact that zhaitan receives the knowledge of the enemies he kills. To me this seems like the undead is a single mind so I think for a future expansion we go to another continent where zhaitan has been rebuilding him self since his fall in orr. This would be really cool because it would bring back a really cool villain who's boss battle was underwhelming and give him a chance to show his full wrath maybe we have to get past the sea dragon before we get to the other continent maybe where stranded on the continent because of the sea dragon. Picture this we go out to fight the sea dragon when we are attacked by his minions then the sea dragon comes from the depths and wrecks our ship we get stranded on a strange new world that looks alright at first but as we go further inland we are met with undead resistance. We later find out that zhaitan has been rebuilding himself since our last battle.

    If you go further into the story, you will find out that he really died, and his magic spread to the other dragons too. I don't want to spoil you anything, but you wanted the spoilers so i give them so.

    For exmaple in HoT we can see Mordremoth using death magic, in Season 3 we can see new versions of Destroyers and Icebrood, we can see they use death magic.

    Zhaitan's spectrum is death (saying just in case).

    He's dead, what I've been wondering since I saw how powerful magic Joko uses is that: could he ressurect Zhaitan and/or Mordremoth? Their bodies might haven't been destroyed.

    Is he only able to ressurect the bodies that just died? Or also long dead ones?

    Awakened Zhaitan or Mordremoth.... that would be so cool.

  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If Joko could resurrect an Elder Dragon it would just be a big dragon corpse rampaging around (which, to be fair, is still a significant threat!) without any of the special Elder Dragon powers they used to have.

    However, I doubt he could. Even if his power was up to snuff, Zhaitan’s body is too far gone (shot up by a lazor that sliced him up and then dissected by the Priory). Not sure what happened to Modremoth but I doubt the Priory wouldn’t have done the same to it.

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  • MattDu.7123MattDu.7123 Member ✭✭✭

    It could be possible for one or all of the remaining dragons to have eggs that draws the excess powers out, to create new versions of the old dragons and bring balance again. But that would likely be over hundreds of years and more a tail for guild wars 3.

  • Lord Kreegan.8123Lord Kreegan.8123 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 23, 2018

    I am Zhaitan; I am NOT dead. I am merely on vacation in Florida.
    You, however are actually dead. However, you are in a state of mental masturbation, thinking you have killed me.
    I actually killed you. Do you think that incredibly stupid battle in the living story represented what really happened? Really? Are you that stupid? I thought better of you... Come on... seriously? You really bought in to the stupidity of ANet's story? Oh, get real...
    I am very much alive... and the various NPCs in ANet's idiotic story are very much dead. Come on... did you really buy into ANet's ludicrous storyline? Man, have I got a bridge in Manhattan I'd like to sell you...

    "Beware of dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Ketchup."

  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Haleydawn.3764 said:
    Yes he’s dead.
    Cinematic upon activating the final pedestal:
    Sadizi: The millennia-long Elder Dragon cycle is one of feast and famine. Ravenous, they rise. Sated, they sleep.
    Sadizi: Glint and the Forgotten set out to break this cycle of extremes and to restore true balance.
    Sadizi: But when two Elder Dragons were unexpectedly eliminated from the cycle at one time, we believe it created a void. (Speaking of Zhaitan and Mordy)
    Sadizi: A void that caused the system to break down and the collapse to begin.
    Sadizi: The hope was that Glint's legacy would stabilize the cycle.
    Sadizi: We theorize these vacancies must be filled with entities that circulate and share magic rather than hoard it.
    Sadizi: Only then will the balance of magic truly become stable. Only then will Glint's legacy achieve its ultimate purpose.

    Imbalance of magical energy is the proof.

    Actually, I think they're talking about two other Elder Dragon's that existed in the past, the reason for this is that those statements were made long before Zhaitan and Mordremoth had been killed, also, you see it in one of the visions that shows the "Eternal Alchemy" fracturing and getting out of balance...though there's never been proof that there at one time had been 8 Elder Dragons, it is possible.

    As for the OP, go to Siren's Landing, which is in Orr and almost as close, if not closer, to where we ended up killing Zhaitan and you'll find that the Risen are now all Unchained Risen, which means to me they're no longer controlled by anything(aka Zhaitan), but still don't have free will(as we know it), they're just rudderless now.

    Yes...no...maybe...what do you want, can't you see I'm busy saving the world...AGAIN!

  • mercury ranique.2170mercury ranique.2170 Member ✭✭✭✭

    'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This dragon is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed his tail to the ceiling it be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-DRAGON!!

  • Yseron.8613Yseron.8613 Member ✭✭
    edited April 23, 2018

    What if he did transfer his soul into the body of a passing parrot ?

  • IndigoSundown.5419IndigoSundown.5419 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Of course Zhaitan is dead. No one could survive that! ;)

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- Santayana

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Zhaitan is dead and they will never come back to his unfinished fight.

  • This is totally late but I still want to say a word or two.
    First - I love the concept that Zhaitan isn't just a dragon in his body. As we know, the Elder Dragons cannot be killed - they represent nature. I'd love to once again experience fighting refreshed Zhaitan.
    We put Mordremoth into coma by killing his mind. In terms of power Mordremoth and Zhaitan have very similar capabilites. Mind control, recreating from dead bodies. Mordrem are more tied to the will of their master, whereas Risen act as a super-organism. Again, great concept. I'd love to come back to Zhaitan and overall Orr theme.

  • Gehenna.3625Gehenna.3625 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TexZero.7910 said:
    How do you kill that which is already dead ?

    With great enthusiasm.

    "In my experience, if you can't say what you mean, you can never mean what you say. The details are everything." ~ Minister Durano

  • Edelweiss.4261Edelweiss.4261 Member ✭✭✭

    Honestly, I wish this was the case. I want more Zhaitan. Maybe the Zhaitan we killed was just a large, unique-looking dragon that Zhaitan used as a decoy. Our old dragon buddy might have just lost like 99% of its power or something and went off for a nap. Unfortunately, I don't think they'll bring Zhaitan back.

  • Game of Bones.8975Game of Bones.8975 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I read on some Internet blog that he died, so it must be true.

    "That's what" -- She

  • Well, kind of late here but let's go.
    The Six came to Tyria at the place where Artesian Waters are. They sensed the most powerful magic source there. What they didn't know is that under these waters slept Zhaitan. This could mean that Zhaitan is / was actually the most powerful dragon magic-wise. He had the most of it and that what lured Gods into this world.
    I'm a fan of idea that Zhaitan isn't truly dead as we have no clue what happened to him afer he just fell off the tower. He was small, he was weak, but might be capable of rebuilding itself back hence the amount of magic he possessed.
    Another thing - there was no magic released after his fall. There might've been some, but this wasn't a blast.
    This could mean that Zhaitan is actually somewhere, dormant and waiting. I'd love it.

  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 26, 2018

    @DonArkanio.6419 said:
    Well, kind of late here but let's go.
    The Six came to Tyria at the place where Artesian Waters are. They sensed the most powerful magic source there. What they didn't know is that under these waters slept Zhaitan. This could mean that Zhaitan is / was actually the most powerful dragon magic-wise. He had the most of it and that what lured Gods into this world.
    I'm a fan of idea that Zhaitan isn't truly dead as we have no clue what happened to him afer he just fell off the tower. He was small, he was weak, but might be capable of rebuilding itself back hence the amount of magic he possessed.
    Another thing - there was no magic released after his fall. There might've been some, but this wasn't a blast.
    This could mean that Zhaitan is actually somewhere, dormant and waiting. I'd love it.

    Considering that its been shown that other Elder Dragons have his magic, hes dead, also in LWS1(this is a reason we need it back, the story elements involved.)
    Also if you break out of the map in the Arah dungeon you can visit his body.

    From the wiki.

    "The magic released from Zhaitan's death dispersed around the world, empowering remaining Elder Dragons and even Zhaitan's surviving champions like Tequatl the Sunless. The Durmand Priory acquired Zhaitan's severed tail and took it to the Special Collections where it would be studied to find ways to combat the Elder Dragons.

    Since Zhaitan's defeat, the corruption of Orr began to reverse slowly. The Risen forces thinned but remained a threat, becoming known as Unchained as years passed and their strongest leaders were slain. While many of these Unchained became lost after the Elder Dragon's and its lieutenants' grip over them vanished, some continued fighting in their fallen master's name. Sylvari traveled to Siren's Landing in Orr to study the Unchained in hopes of reverting Zhaitan's lingering corruption, or, failing that, trying to redeem the dragon minions via other means. Even after its demise, Zhaitan's legacy would be felt for years to come. "

    Ember Wandertooth(SB), Lucina Fallenflame(Weaver), Kianda Redpaw(Guardian), Kingslayer, Light in the Dark.
    Why Guild Wars is called Guild Wars

  • Lii Lightning.6853Lii Lightning.6853 Member ✭✭
    edited November 27, 2018

    Sucks boring storyline/gameplay , I hope i can smack Zhitan on it **** face like The Elder Scrolls Skyrim

  • I certainly hope we get to battle old Zhaitan again. The original "boss battle" (if I can even call it that) was a dreadful bore to say the least. I'm of the hope that Zhaitan is effectively a dracolich, and that while we did "kill" him, we did not defeat him. Once all this "dragons are our fwiends" nonsense dies out, I'd relish the opportunity to see the old fleshbag return, more dangerous than before.

    Afterall, through the story we hear about Zhaitan and his undead carrying out battle tactics (the Claw Island feint as well as his undead scouts spring to mind immediately). Assuming Zhaitan is a dracolich (or GW2's equivalent) and knowing that the other "living" dragons and their lieutenants can bear children, age, and die, we can assume that Zhaitan is most likely the oldest of the elder dragons, having lived countless lifetimes, even (perhaps) many lifetimes of dragons themselves. As such, it wouldn't be too far-fetched to believe that Zhaitan may have allowed himself to be "killed" so as to play out the long game. An immortal, intelligent, undead creature has the advantage of lifetimes of planning. The elder dragons all have this advantage (to a point) being longer-lived than the lesser races. Multiply that by however many dragon-lifetimes Zhaitan has lived and you have an entity that is almost guaranteed to always be one step ahead of the players in terms of cunning and planning.

  • Knowing that it was cut into pieces, one of which is exposed to the Durmand priory, I think that yes he is dead.
    Moreover are liberated dragon energy is what allowed to awake mordremoth.

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