FtoPScrub.5476 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Or is it only going to be underwater PvE related stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Yeah I'm really excited to hear more about this. Underwater PvP Reintroduction Expansion Pack confirmed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikeIsGone.8675 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Yeah, that announcement got me confused as well.Is it just Underwater reworks or are we going to see actual class balance as well?Would be great to get some dev confirmation on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aza.2105 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Heck no. We'll see a balance patch probably sometime in July. And that balance patch won't even be good, it will just make things worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 @Aza.2105 said:Heck no. We'll see a balance patch probably sometime in July. And that balance patch won't even be good, it will just make things worse.The split balance patch was literally nothing but good changed with the exception of the Explosives Nerf for Engineer and the Fresh Air nerf for Elementalist. You can criticize how far off we are from the balance target, but the patch pretty much only made positive changes. I have my reservations about dropping a big balance patch in the middle of the season again, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriOri.8724 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 It needs to, but I don't know if it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math.5123 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I hope not, I'm really enjoying the Chrono meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aza.2105 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 @mortrialus.3062 said:@Aza.2105 said:Heck no. We'll see a balance patch probably sometime in July. And that balance patch won't even be good, it will just make things worse.The split balance patch was literally nothing but good changed with the exception of the Explosives Nerf for Engineer and the Fresh Air nerf for Elementalist. You can criticize how far off we are from the balance target, but the patch pretty much only made positive changes. I have my reservations about dropping a big balance patch in the middle of the season again, however.Yeah but that positive is just a illusion. Because their positive changes are usually baby steps, while the negative changes are usually gigantic steps. The mesmer rework pretty much undid any positive change the patch might have brought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bLind.6278 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Don't count on it. PvP balance patches require devs that care about the state of PvP. There have been none of those since 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilli.2976 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 New PvP water map inc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aza.2105 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 @Chilli.2976 said:New PvP water map incThey going to make the bell on the Capricorn map underwater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ketsu.4569 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 @mortrialus.3062 said:@Aza.2105 said:Heck no. We'll see a balance patch probably sometime in July. And that balance patch won't even be good, it will just make things worse.The split balance patch was literally nothing but good It was sort of good, but failed to truly grasp how bad the situation is.If you take an aspect of the game that is overperforming by 80% and only nerf it by 10% then well it's still 70% OP.It's good that the balance team at least seems to recognize where the problems lie, but if they won't also accept just how big those problems are then it's a lost cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I'm just waiting for it to be 'the worst balance patch ever'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandzibar.5134 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 So they'd rather put effort into something that no-one uses or cares about?.. than try spend the maximum amount of time balancing and testing issues that the forum is actually up in arms about..Just Anet time management things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodzynald.5897 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 @mortrialus.3062 said:@Aza.2105 said:Heck no. We'll see a balance patch probably sometime in July. And that balance patch won't even be good, it will just make things worse.The split balance patch was literally nothing but good changed with the exception of the Explosives Nerf for Engineer and the Fresh Air nerf for Elementalist. You can criticize how far off we are from the balance target, but the patch pretty much only made positive changes. I have my reservations about dropping a big balance patch in the middle of the season again, however.But it will be just meta shift with the same grevious outcome as always. They change numbers, instead of faulty mechanics and sheer bad design that does not fit PvP gamemode. I am still amazed that the idea of going invulnerable every bunch of seconds and being able to do damage at the same time got into the game. Is there any other game that has such a silly idea of a mechanic implemented except for WoW paladin's divine shield, which is a situational skill on a massive cooldown? I do realise that every game has it's balance issues, but this is the first game that I've noticed such a huge loss in numbers throughout years, compared to what it once was pre-HoT. I am inclined to believe that we would get GW3 sooner than relatively balanced PvP in GW2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 For the love of god, if there is a patch, for fucks sake A-net fucking fix renegade, It's been months, hell these problems were outlined in the beta. This is litterally the first time an spec is completely unusable. I mean really, really, really, really unusable. Like even more unusable then core rev. I welcome new game modes like every other but please do something about fundamentals as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curunen.8729 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 If the underwater combat is more balanced then I'd love to see old Capricorn make a return. It was my favourite map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math.5123 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 @"Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318" said:For the love of god, if there is a patch, for kitten sake A-net kitten fix renegade, It's been months, hell these problems were outlined in the beta. This is litterally the first time an spec is completely unusable. I mean really, really, really, really unusable. Like even more unusable then core rev. I welcome new game modes like every other but please do something about fundamentals as well.I'm not sure we want renegade to be viable in PvP. We need less builds with AI, not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said:@"Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318" said:For the love of god, if there is a patch, for kitten sake A-net kitten fix renegade, It's been months, hell these problems were outlined in the beta. This is litterally the first time an spec is completely unusable. I mean really, really, really, really unusable. Like even more unusable then core rev. I welcome new game modes like every other but please do something about fundamentals as well.I'm not sure we want renegade to be viable in PvP. We need less builds with AI, not more.there is inherently nothing wrong with AI. the problem is the implementation of it. Pre Hot times mesmer was an AI based class but it was hard to use. renegade needs a rework. I don't believe in sacrificing classes because A-net went full balistic on mesmer and druid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDent.9538 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said:@"Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318" said:For the love of god, if there is a patch, for kitten sake A-net kitten fix renegade, It's been months, hell these problems were outlined in the beta. This is litterally the first time an spec is completely unusable. I mean really, really, really, really unusable. Like even more unusable then core rev. I welcome new game modes like every other but please do something about fundamentals as well.I'm not sure we want renegade to be viable in PvP. We need less builds with AI, not more.Kalla isn't really an ai build, the summons are really just wells with the added downside that they can be destroyed or cc'd by enemies. Though a well spammer build isn't much better for fun gameplay considering the radius on the aoes are all larger than sand savant shades. Just an insultingly horribly designed spec in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBoopBop.5403 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 @"Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318" said:For the love of god, if there is a patch, for kitten sake A-net kitten fix renegade, It's been months, hell these problems were outlined in the beta. This is litterally the first time an spec is completely unusable. I mean really, really, really, really unusable. Like even more unusable then core rev. I welcome new game modes like every other but please do something about fundamentals as well.That's a lost cause, buff core rev and herald instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Godlike.6098 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 No matter when...definitely more ele nerfs incoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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