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Where is zojja?

Amaranthe.3578Amaranthe.3578 Member ✭✭✭

She just vanished after hot?

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  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    we might get to know soon, maybe not. we won't know until they say

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  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Last we heard (during Out of the Shadows aka Season 3 Episode 1), she was still suffering from side effects of the Blighting Tree.

  • SlippyCheeze.5483SlippyCheeze.5483 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Amaranthe.3578 said:
    She just vanished after hot?

    In-game? She is feeling ill, and recovering still. Out-of-game, the voice actress is hard to get hold of.

  • TheOrlyFactor.8341TheOrlyFactor.8341 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Anet's silence and inaction on resolving this isn't exactly promising. :\

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  • SlippyCheeze.5483SlippyCheeze.5483 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TheOrlyFactor.8341 said:
    Anet's silence and inaction on resolving this isn't exactly promising. :\

    Anet learned the hard way to tell players about things that are finished, when they are finished. Their silence is the result of past pain, and indicates nothing.

  • TheOrlyFactor.8341TheOrlyFactor.8341 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 5, 2018

    @SlippyCheeze.5483 said:

    @TheOrlyFactor.8341 said:
    Anet's silence and inaction on resolving this isn't exactly promising. :\

    Anet learned the hard way to tell players about things that are finished, when they are finished. Their silence is the result of past pain, and indicates nothing.

    Extreme radio silence is just as bad as telling all. The fact they go from one extreme to the other will continue to bite them in the behind until they can find a suitable middle(ish) ground response.

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  • Cynder.2509Cynder.2509 Member ✭✭✭

    Maybe her injuries were a bit worse than Logan's and she needed longer to recover. To that point she might already be recovered but didn't join any guild because she's just too tired to do this any longer. That's my speculation. I think she's fine. Zojja's just doing other things now like teaching progenies in Rata Sum.

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  • TheOrlyFactor.8341TheOrlyFactor.8341 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2018

    @Cynder.2509 said:
    Maybe her injuries were a bit worse than Logan's and she needed longer to recover. To that point she might already be recovered but didn't join any guild because she's just too tired to do this any longer. That's my speculation. I think she's fine. Zojja's just doing other things now like teaching progenies in Rata Sum.

    I definitely agree that her injuries were a bit worse. My issue with how this entire thing is handled is that all we have IS speculation, especially considering all they left us with in LWS3 Ep 1 is hearsay which just muddies up things more. Maybe it's just me (I'm betting it's just me) but I see story/plot arcs as having a beginning, middle, and end and Zojja's unknown condition falls into the middle portion. There's no in-game end, resolution, or conclusion to what's going on and speculation is all we can do until the PC actually sees her. She could be teaching progeny, she could be living the high life and partying down, or heck, she could be plotting revenge against Dragon's Watch for abandoning her (while I'd love to see this happen I know it won't). We won't know though because Anet won't say or do anything to give us any kind of update, any solid answer. It's just really bothersome and it seems/feels unceremonious/rude to just leave her in that middle state. It feels more so that they didn't answer anything about her in the recent April AFC either.

    Granted, at this point, even if Anet were to give an actual in-game update on what's going on with her, they'd probably end up doing something I'd outright hate anyway (they're already going in that direction it seems with Taimi between Joko getting his hands on her in LWS4 Ep 1 and hinting that Taimi might become a golem to defeat her degenerative disease at the end of LWS4 Ep 2). I've come to the conclusion and realization that I'm not gonna be happy with anything Anet does with either Zojja or Taimi so I might as well do my own thing with them in terms of headcanons, fan fiction, and role playing in order to find the end/resolution/closure/result(s) I'm looking for. I'd encourage other people to do the same if they're inclined to working on headcanons/fan fiction/role playing.

    I mean, it's not like Anet is in any rush to do anything about it. They're too busy trying to push Rytlock and his "super edgy grimdark untouchable cool guy" shtick down everyone's throat. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    ( Yes I'm quite irritated/agitated by this turn of events to the point that this post kind of devolved into a rant. )

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  • Ardid.7203Ardid.7203 Member ✭✭✭✭

    They both were hit on the head. Zojja almost died. Logan barely noticed it...

  • Ephemiel.5694Ephemiel.5694 Member ✭✭✭

    Kinda funny that, during HoT, you can CHOOSE who you save first, so if you saved Zojja first, it would make no sense for her to be so weakened and Logan be up and about.

  • Ardid.7203Ardid.7203 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ephemiel.5694 said:
    Kinda funny that, during HoT, you can CHOOSE who you save first, so if you saved Zojja first, it would make no sense for her to be so weakened and Logan be up and about.

    I have repeatd that many times. I CHOOSE to save Zojja. I hoped Logan died. I wanted Zojja in the next story. Of course it wont happen.

  • Leablo.2651Leablo.2651 Member ✭✭✭

    @Cynder.2509 said:
    she's just too tired to do this any longer.
    Zojja's just doing other things now like teaching progenies in Rata Sum.

    Well it's funny because I think the same can be said for Felicia Day. She does not seem all that enthused about the role and had a baby which is presumably taking all her focus. Anet seems to have had an uphill battle trying to bring her back and it seems to be getting more onerous. When this became apparent for HoT, it would have been better to bite the bullet and either have replaced the VA or killed off the character so it wouldn't be left in limbo. Otherwise we will keep having to revisit this issue, which even in the best case likely means an absentee Zojja whenever Anet is working between expansion budgets.

  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 10, 2018

    @Leablo.2651 said:

    @Cynder.2509 said:
    she's just too tired to do this any longer.
    Zojja's just doing other things now like teaching progenies in Rata Sum.

    Well it's funny because I think the same can be said for Felicia Day. She does not seem all that enthused about the role and had a baby which is presumably taking all her focus. Anet seems to have had an uphill battle trying to bring her back and it seems to be getting more onerous. When this became apparent for HoT, it would have been better to bite the bullet and either have replaced the VA or killed off the character so it wouldn't be left in limbo. Otherwise we will keep having to revisit this issue, which even in the best case likely means an absentee Zojja whenever Anet is working between expansion budgets.

    I think you're wrong, there is no reason to think Felicia Day may have some issue about not wanting to, not able to give her voice for Zojja. Zojja is not any urgent character right now, the whole Season 3 was her recovering, PoF was more focused about few characters, and there is really strong possibility that she will be involved somehow in the story in this Season, there are signs of it- Inquest, Kuda, Kralkatorrik.

    Also if you check Felicia Day's IMDb (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1260407/) she's been pretty active this/lasr year, also I don't think it's a big deal for her to come by on the record sessions.

    @Eve Eschenbacher.4201 on the last Guild Chat said, that if the writers already write the story, scenario etc for all of the characters, Eve sends messages to, for example, Steve Blum or Debby Derryberry to come, because she/he is needed, and if somebody says NO, I am done, then they replace such voice actors with new ones. I don't think it happened to Zojja, also replacing her wouldnt be a big deal, because in A bug in the system they suddenly changed Rox's voice actor, so its not something huge.

    If Eve doesn't get the note to call Felicia then she doesn't, the same with Steve Blum, Kari Wahlgren etc etc.

    you should definitely check that:

    (Guild Chat on Narrative and Voiceover)

  • Leablo.2651Leablo.2651 Member ✭✭✭

    Of course Anet is going to say that. They will never publicly state that they can't justify the expenditure to retain Zojja's VA for the living story sessions. Nor will they admit to writing around her absence to avoid an ultimatum.

    The facts are plain enough: Day is the only member of the voice cast whose celebrity extends beyond the VA fandom. And Zojja is the only major character to consistently be missing from the story, except when Anet is working with a bigger budget. You can choose to connect the dots or not at your leisure, it won't affect anything else.

  • Alek Seven.2374Alek Seven.2374 Member ✭✭✭

    As long as I dont have any news from Zojja, I will call her dead.
    I chose to save her first btw.

  • Amaranthe.3578Amaranthe.3578 Member ✭✭✭

    @Leablo.2651 said:
    Of course Anet is going to say that. They will never publicly state that they can't justify the expenditure to retain Zojja's VA for the living story sessions. Nor will they admit to writing around her absence to avoid an ultimatum.

    The facts are plain enough: Day is the only member of the voice cast whose celebrity extends beyond the VA fandom. And Zojja is the only major character to consistently be missing from the story, except when Anet is working with a bigger budget. You can choose to connect the dots or not at your leisure, it won't affect anything else.

    I honestly think the vast majority wouldn't care at all if they brought someone else, zojjas character is much more important than a specific voice actor.
    And btw it won't be hard at all to find someone with a voice so similar you won't even notice the difference.

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 11, 2018

    @Ardid.7203 said:
    I have repeatd that many times. I CHOOSE to save Zojja. I hoped Logan died. I wanted Zojja in the next story. Of course it wont happen.

    sorry i picked Logan across all 15 of my toons and another 5 on my second account :s

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  • Ardid.7203Ardid.7203 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 11, 2018

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    @Ardid.7203 said:
    I have repeatd that many times. I CHOOSE to save Zojja. I hoped Logan died. I wanted Zojja in the next story. Of course it wont happen.

    sorry i picked Logan across all 15 of my toons and another 5 on my second account :s

    Don't need to apologize, it is your right to do so.
    But.. why!?

  • Torolan.5816Torolan.5816 Member ✭✭✭

    I wasn´t keen on rescuing either. One was a lovestruck fool who should be nowhere near a commnand position and the other one an asura I constantly forgot about. But I would choose Logan anyday before Zoja. At least he has a reason to go on adventure, Zojja is more or less dragged into everything.

    Anet could maybe let another character(Taimi) read a letter that she has basically retired at this poi nt and leaves the downfall of Kralkatorik to us.

  • Lexi.1398Lexi.1398 Member ✭✭✭

    maybe anet forgot about her :'(
    im surprised she didnt appear in ls4 ep2 but im still hoping she appears....Soon (tm)

  • Nilson.9865Nilson.9865 Member ✭✭✭

    I saw her roamed around in fissures beneath Rata Sum. I think she needed help.

  • Ayakaru.6583Ayakaru.6583 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Legally dead.
    If she was still alive, no selfrespecting friend, and ally, would’ve not visited her.
    We had time to do silly stuff between HoT and now, but never even bothered visiting Zojja.
    Hence we can only assume our commander knows she’s dead.. despite everyone talking about her being alive.
    If Zojja is still alive, I’ll delete all my characters that have befriended Zojja, because they’re obviously not friends..

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  • norbes.3620norbes.3620 Member ✭✭

    @Ardid.7203 said:

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    @Ardid.7203 said:
    I have repeatd that many times. I CHOOSE to save Zojja. I hoped Logan died. I wanted Zojja in the next story. Of course it wont happen.

    sorry i picked Logan across all 15 of my toons and another 5 on my second account :s

    Don't need to apologize, it is your right to do so.
    But.. why!?

    obviously cuz Logan is proven to be useful in the future(presence now) as the new secretary for the commander .. sorry i meant pact marshal.

    honostly i dont have that much Feelings for most of destinys edge and i would not mind seeing some of them die for Progression of the Story.
    eir was a good start to make clear WHO the new leader is.. (if a new leader arrives the old must step down .. better die for a huge Impression)

    Logans expiration date was prolonged cuz to the reasons mentioned above

    Rytlock seems to have still an interesting Story to tell so his death would make me sad for cutting this promising string

    zoija.. who the kitten miss her anyway.. obvioulsy a lot of u guys and im sorry for making myself target for hatemail but her best deed EVER was supporting taimi.. whats no longer needed. zoija never was as much of a Genius as snaff anyway and an annoying pouting princess / Kitten on top of that

    garm makes me happy, he is a good guy an should live longer than the PC

    Caithe i was a bit annoyed how anet handled my interactions with her during HoT cuz i never doubted that she had the best in mindshe could think of and during the dialogues it was possible to express that.. however in LS 3 the PC suddenly act like an arrogant mthfckr towards her
    so while i would sadly see her die and i would like her to stay alive some more i DO see her dieing for the big Impact that can cause onto the player

  • Oldirtbeard.9834Oldirtbeard.9834 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2018

    If Syfy can afford to bring her in for a guest star spot on the Magicians then I'm sure ANet could bring her in for a few throw away Voice Acting lines, I mean SyFy isn't exactly HBO or even AMC, hell CW has more money even than SyFy.

    Remember that web series the Guild, how much money do you think she was paid for that, I'm sure ANet pays their no name Voice Actors more than Day made making the Guild.

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  • Imba.9451Imba.9451 Member ✭✭✭

    Replacing a voice actor shouldn't be THAT much of a problem tbh. I wouldn't care at least. Better than having such stuff affecting the writing for her character.

  • just sent a mail ingame that Zojja in her weak state caused a lab explosion that killed her.

    Problem solved. The most annoying character gone. Closure. Done.

    I never understood why some people like Zojja. In the book she was downright evil. In the personal story she is nothing but unlikeable. Why people even care about this very minor character baffles me.

  • Imba.9451Imba.9451 Member ✭✭✭

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:

    I never understood why some people like Zojja. In the book she was downright evil. In the personal story she is nothing but unlikeable. Why people even care about this very minor character baffles me.

    Same thing goes for Rytlock in my case.
    I simply like Zojja for being straight-forward. She actually has similaritiers with Canach, both in regards to humour and her need for conflict. Thats a nice contrast to most Asuras, while Rytlock can perfectly be described with one word: Charr.

  • Rytlock is able to accept other people's glory and success (see the destroyer harpy in the arena). He is able to see beyond the skin and forge friendships. He can't stand sylvari - but then sees Caithe fight and recognizes her loyalty and accepts her.

    Zojja on the other hand, reacts badly if anyone ever shows a good idea, afraid that her genius might be diminished by the achievements of others.

    She verbally abuses Snaff, she is always hostile towards Eir's plans, and ignores the other three as good as she can.

    Zojja is a miserable person and if she never returns to the game, I would not mind at all.

  • Moonyeti.3296Moonyeti.3296 Member ✭✭

    If Felicia Day is no longer available on a reasonable budget, why not switch VA? It isn't the best solution nominally, but at the same time would fit here. Zojja is recovering from her near death captivity in HoT, so why not switch VA's and just claim that it is due to her injuries that her voice is changed? Have the new VA purposely 'strain' Zojja's voice to help hide it. For me that would be enough to suspend any disbelief for the sake of the story.

  • Imba.9451Imba.9451 Member ✭✭✭

    Also, not to forget, even if you love or hate Zojja - she was meant to be one of the big 5 story characters. Just killing her off like that would, imho, be rather poor writing.
    I fully agree on simply changing her VA. Thats just how it goes sometimes. Can't kill off Homer from the Simpons as well, if his VA dies.

  • Castigator.3470Castigator.3470 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 20, 2018

    I think Zojja's story isn't over yet. As long as the Inquest is lobbying for more influence, there will be one hero to oppose them. Changing VAs are not the issue, though.
    The main issue is the current lack of plot hooks. For now Zojja has made her peace with the events of Destiny's Edge, but she currently has found some occupation as a mentor for new promising asura.
    There's two things that may happen.

    1. She settles down, becomes Teacher, Professor, even Dean of the College of Synergetics. She continues to lecture, deepens her research, she may even combine statics and synergetics knowlege to continue Snaff's research to build a modular floating golem that isn't just the size of a city, but an actual city. Her P.O.L.I.S. Project would make her the new big thing since Oola.
    2. She tries to settle down, but there's something amiss. As tempting as super advanced golemancy can be, the fate of the world hangs in the balance and she really cannot allow the chaos troupe known as Dragon's Watch to fool around without supervision.

    But how? What chain of events can be the catalyst that gets Zojja back into active adventuring? From the ascended gear we know that Berserker stats most closely match her temperament. Maybe we need to reignite the flame she had.

  • Imba.9451Imba.9451 Member ✭✭✭

    Maybe we need to reignite the flame she had.

    One way would be to make Taimi die. But as far as I can tell, Taimi is a fan favorite. Anet wouldn't just kille her off.
    Still, I'd love to see an enraged Zojja in action.

  • Ephemiel.5694Ephemiel.5694 Member ✭✭✭

    It's funny though how they gave you the choice to save Zojja or Logan first, yet completely invalidate that choice by having Zojja vanish and Logan happily return and even become Marshal of the Pact.

  • @Leablo.2651 said:

    @Cynder.2509 said:
    she's just too tired to do this any longer.
    Zojja's just doing other things now like teaching progenies in Rata Sum.

    Well it's funny because I think the same can be said for Felicia Day. She does not seem all that enthused about the role and had a baby which is presumably taking all her focus. Anet seems to have had an uphill battle trying to bring her back and it seems to be getting more onerous. When this became apparent for HoT, it would have been better to bite the bullet and either have replaced the VA or killed off the character so it wouldn't be left in limbo. Otherwise we will keep having to revisit this issue, which even in the best case likely means an absentee Zojja whenever Anet is working between expansion budgets.

    That's really presumptuous of you to say. She's never given the impression that she isn't a fan of the role or wasn't "enthused" - quite the opposite. She's spoken about it publicly, and was featured in behind-the-scenes videos, and didn't seem "unenthused" by any means. She's still working, and has stated that she'd love to do more with GW2, and that she loves the character, but has not been contacted for additional recording. You seem to assume she's just "not available" despite not having any insight as to whether Anet has even wanted to record for Zojja. If they wrote for Zojja, and if Felicia wasn't available, they'd hire someone else - as they've done with other VA talent in the past.

    Plainly put, you're making a lot of assumptions without any insight or information to back it up. Which is worthless.

  • @Leablo.2651 said:
    Of course Anet is going to say that. They will never publicly state that they can't justify the expenditure to retain Zojja's VA for the living story sessions. Nor will they admit to writing around her absence to avoid an ultimatum.

    The facts are plain enough: Day is the only member of the voice cast whose celebrity extends beyond the VA fandom. And Zojja is the only major character to consistently be missing from the story, except when Anet is working with a bigger budget. You can choose to connect the dots or not at your leisure, it won't affect anything else.

    Also false. Matthew Mercer is quite prolific, and you also have Emmy-winner Sam Riegel, among others, who have their own fandom in Critical Role, in addition to VO work. Not to mention other talent like Nolan North and Troy Baker who are always swimming in work (considering they're in kitten near every game, not including animated works) and are among some of the most in-demand VO talent.

    Felicia Day stays busy, but IIRC at the time of Guild Wars 2 initially launching she was still running her own web series (The Guild), had launched/operated Geek & Sundry, and still managed to rack up acting gigs - which was equally if not more professionally demanding than her current commitments. So the argument that now she's got more starpower or is less available, when recording is arguably more workable (as a new mom) than a tv/web series - I mean, she still manages to livestream on twitch. Point being - there's just no basis in reality for your conjecture.

    You have literally no facts to work from. Your comments are irresponsible.

  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 6, 2019

    @Leablo.2651 said:

    Well it's funny because I think the same can be said for Felicia Day. She does not seem all that enthused about the role and had a baby which is presumably taking all her focus. Anet seems to have had an uphill battle trying to bring her back and it seems to be getting more onerous. When this became apparent for HoT, it would have been better to bite the bullet and either have replaced the VA or killed off the character so it wouldn't be left in limbo. Otherwise we will keep having to revisit this issue, which even in the best case likely means an absentee Zojja whenever Anet is working between expansion budgets.

    Given how extreme Zojja's injuries apparently were, there's no reason why Anet couldn't bring the character back with a different voice actress and explain any differences in voice or personality as effects of her terrible experience in the Blighting Pod. Or even just have her be mute, or just grunts and whatever, if it's really that much of a problem. If mobility is an issue, Zojja has the example of Taimi and Scruffy to help her; no reason Zojja couldn't make a Mr. Sparkles 2.0 to help her get around.

    Besides, do you think any DE member is going to miss the fight with Kralk if they're self-mobile at all? The next two LS episodes could be seen as a sort of culmination of their story. Defeating Kralk, avenging Snaff, avenging their failure. We've got Logan, Caithe, and Rytlock all in the trailer; don't be surprised if Zojja doesn't make at least a cameo appearance, in either this episode or the next. Also, don't be surprised if one or more of them bites the dust...

  • Hybarf Tics.2048Hybarf Tics.2048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 6, 2019

    Four different rumors are going around.
    1) Last I heard she went to play Polymok and got hooked , no one has seen her since.
    2) She was last seen heading south on a boat heading for Cantha. I don't know why but sea dragons seem to like Asura.
    3) When Ritlock went to the mist he came back with a blindfold, starved and with a bad temper she was the first one he met when he came out and had an argument with her, rumor has it she ended up in his plate.
    4) Asura are simply annoying rodents anyways, let it go. ;)

  • @Hybarf Tics.2048 said:
    3) When Ritlock went to the mist he came back with a blindfold, starved and with a bad temper she was the first one he met when he came out and had an argument with her, rumor has it she ended up in his plate.

    those big brains are pretty tasty....

  • starhunter.6015starhunter.6015 Member ✭✭✭

    If they can't get Felica back, Anet could always replace the VA and use the change in voice as a side affect of the blighting tree.

  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭

    Even just a letter in our mailbox from Zojja would address the issue better than simple silence. "Hey, I'm still alive. But I'm not...well. Not myself. So I've withdrawn to my lab while I recover and rebuild Mr. Sparkles. I wish I could be there to help, but I physically can't. I hope you understand. -- Zojja."

  • Amaranthe.3578Amaranthe.3578 Member ✭✭✭

    @Leablo.2651 said:
    Of course Anet is going to say that. They will never publicly state that they can't justify the expenditure to retain Zojja's VA for the living story sessions. Nor will they admit to writing around her absence to avoid an ultimatum.

    The facts are plain enough: Day is the only member of the voice cast whose celebrity extends beyond the VA fandom. And Zojja is the only major character to consistently be missing from the story, except when Anet is working with a bigger budget. You can choose to connect the dots or not at your leisure, it won't affect anything else.

    Why not? Anet contantly uses the "its too much work"(which basically means its too much money) answer for other questions. Don't see the problem in them admitting this if thats actually the case. But you never know.

  • Amaranthe.3578Amaranthe.3578 Member ✭✭✭

    @Hybarf Tics.2048 said:
    Four different rumors are going around.
    1) Last I heard she went to play Polymok and got hooked , no one has seen her since.
    2) She was last seen heading south on a boat heading for Cantha. I don't know why but sea dragons seem to like Asura.
    3) When Ritlock went to the mist he came back with a blindfold, starved and with a bad temper she was the first one he met when he came out and had an argument with her, rumor has it she ended up in his plate.
    4) Asura are simply annoying rodents anyways, let it go. ;)

    AsuraMR

  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭

    @Amaranthe.3578 said:

    Why not? Anet contantly uses the "its too much work"(which basically means its too much money) answer for other questions. Don't see the problem in them admitting this if thats actually the case. But you never know.

    To be frank, I think they also use that as an excuse for not knowing how to fix their own game. Which is why we're still living with things like bugged events in Iron Marches that have been that way for literally years. Kinda like the Problem of Evil...they either don't want to fix things or can't, and the longer this misbegotten LS season goes on, the more I suspect it's both.

  • @Jimbru.6014 said:
    To be frank, I think they also use that as an excuse for not knowing how to fix their own game. Which is why we're still living with things like bugged events in Iron Marches that have been that way for literally years. Kinda like the Problem of Evil...they either don't want to fix things or can't, and the longer this misbegotten LS season goes on, the more I suspect it's both.

    Nah, It's a far simpler problem. In the industry, you have to justify your proposed changes with a cost benefit analysis. Since reworking old content doesn't promise any financial benefit, managers tend to shut those ideas down. Fixing issues on your payroll without being ordered to do so can get you into hot water with management.
    This is why some modded projects offer a higher level of polish and quality than whatever the original developer came up with, precisely because modders are not restrained by considerations of profitability.

  • Amaranthe.3578Amaranthe.3578 Member ✭✭✭

    @Jimbru.6014 said:

    @Amaranthe.3578 said:

    Why not? Anet contantly uses the "its too much work"(which basically means its too much money) answer for other questions. Don't see the problem in them admitting this if thats actually the case. But you never know.

    To be frank, I think they also use that as an excuse for not knowing how to fix their own game. Which is why we're still living with things like bugged events in Iron Marches that have been that way for literally years. Kinda like the Problem of Evil...they either don't want to fix things or can't, and the longer this misbegotten LS season goes on, the more I suspect it's both.

    I disagree. I think its a money issue too. If fixing those bugs takes a lot of time but its not generating much activity/money they dont do it. Which is basically what "too much work" means. Since they seem to be pretty frank on that issue I dont think they wouldnt say the issue with Zojjas VA is money if that was the case. I also dont think Felicia Day has a big price tag, shes a pretty small potato.

  • Amaranthe.3578Amaranthe.3578 Member ✭✭✭

    @Castigator.3470 said:

    @Jimbru.6014 said:
    To be frank, I think they also use that as an excuse for not knowing how to fix their own game. Which is why we're still living with things like bugged events in Iron Marches that have been that way for literally years. Kinda like the Problem of Evil...they either don't want to fix things or can't, and the longer this misbegotten LS season goes on, the more I suspect it's both.

    Nah, It's a far simpler problem. In the industry, you have to justify your proposed changes with a cost benefit analysis. Since reworking old content doesn't promise any financial benefit, managers tend to shut those ideas down. Fixing issues on your payroll without being ordered to do so can get you into hot water with management.
    This is why some modded projects offer a higher level of polish and quality than whatever the original developer came up with, precisely because modders are not restrained by considerations of profitability.

    Hes not really talking about changes though. Fixing bugs is basically standing by your promises to the customer and by your public announcements. Companies that dont do that tend to flop.

  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ephemiel.5694 said:
    Kinda funny that, during HoT, you can CHOOSE who you save first, so if you saved Zojja first, it would make no sense for her to be so weakened and Logan be up and about.

    In fact, I did choose to save Zojja. And she was up and about and talking semi-coherently, albeit very weak, once that part was over. So yeah, it doesn't make sense based on what's actually in the game.

  • Aaron Ansari.1604Aaron Ansari.1604 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Amaranthe.3578 said:

    @Castigator.3470 said:

    @Jimbru.6014 said:
    To be frank, I think they also use that as an excuse for not knowing how to fix their own game. Which is why we're still living with things like bugged events in Iron Marches that have been that way for literally years. Kinda like the Problem of Evil...they either don't want to fix things or can't, and the longer this misbegotten LS season goes on, the more I suspect it's both.

    Nah, It's a far simpler problem. In the industry, you have to justify your proposed changes with a cost benefit analysis. Since reworking old content doesn't promise any financial benefit, managers tend to shut those ideas down. Fixing issues on your payroll without being ordered to do so can get you into hot water with management.
    This is why some modded projects offer a higher level of polish and quality than whatever the original developer came up with, precisely because modders are not restrained by considerations of profitability.

    Hes not really talking about changes though. Fixing bugs is basically standing by your promises to the customer and by your public announcements. Companies that dont do that tend to flop.

    Depends on what you consider 'standing by' and 'promises' to mean. For instance, if you go back and watch the pre-launch videos laying out GW2's design principles, very few of them resemble the game of today.

    Ultimately, I think the social contract here is just whether ANet is delivering engaging, enjoyable content, and that they measure their success on that front by the metrics they gather. Given that there was a period, early on, when they did make a concerted effort to revamp old content, and given that approach was quietly and decisively dropped afterwards, I'm guessing that their numbers didn't show that the player base as a whole cared too much about those fixes... or, at least, that they didn't follow up on that care with actual participation in the content.

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