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I wish dueling was a thing

Aodlop.1907Aodlop.1907 Member ✭✭

Like it is in WoW

In WoW too, 1v1 isn't the balance focus of the PvP team, and nobody cares, it's always fun to duel people before an event or while waiting in a queue, or just to test a build or confront a friend just for fun
It wouldn't harm the game in any way
I don't understand why this isn't a thing after all these years

And yes I know you can create a custom lobby and blablabla...But come on...

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  • Zephyr.5382Zephyr.5382 Member ✭✭
    edited May 9, 2018

    What @Steve The Cynic.3217 said. I don't wish that at all.

  • Gop.8713Gop.8713 Member ✭✭

    It's like anything, some ppl would like it and some wouldn't. I think the reason they never included it in pve is bc conceptually part of what was meant to make gw2 stand out from the mmo crowd was that it was a game where seeing other players was a good thing, where players were encouraged to help each other and rewarded for their efforts. Introducing dueling to pve wouldn't prevent that, but it would change the tone of the pve environment. And since dueling is readily available in other modes, it's really a non-issue . . .

  • sitarskee.5738sitarskee.5738 Member ✭✭

    I actually like the idea of dueling but with an option to disable it so you don't get the invites when you're not in the mood or don't have time or simply don't want to.

  • DeanBB.4268DeanBB.4268 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2018

    @sitarskee.5738 said:
    I actually like the idea of dueling but with an option to disable it so you don't get the invites when you're not in the mood or don't have time or simply don't want to.

    It's a lot more complicated than that. In open PvE, which is meant to be cooperative, boons are shared, fields can be applied, banners can be dropped, etc., all of which boost a player. How does Anet turn that off just for a duel? And what about duels at an event? Again, Anet separated this stuff for a reason.

    Edit: I'm referring to boosts from bystanders.

  • Endless Soul.5178Endless Soul.5178 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I wish dueling was a thing.

    And I'm 261.97% glad it's not a thing in Open PvE.

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  • @DeanBB.4268 said:

    @sitarskee.5738 said:
    I actually like the idea of dueling but with an option to disable it so you don't get the invites when you're not in the mood or don't have time or simply don't want to.

    It's a lot more complicated than that. In open PvE, which is meant to be cooperative, boons are shared, fields can be applied, banners can be dropped, etc., all of which boost a player. How does Anet turn that off just for a duel? And what about duels at an event? Again, Anet separated this stuff for a reason.

    Edit: I'm referring to boosts from bystanders.

    Don't think it's nearly as complicated as you think. After duel begins restrict players from receiving benefits from anyone they aren't in party with, or anyone at all. While dueling your opponent doesn't count as a party member so that shouldn't be an issue either.

  • nottsgman.8206nottsgman.8206 Member ✭✭✭

    @Aodlop.1907 said:

    it isn't fun to receive duelling challenges you don't want

    Nice, add a "I don't want to receive duels" option, there you go, problem sovled...

    apart from it isn't really when map/say/whisper chat is still a thing and can still be spammed with annoying messages

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  • sokeenoppa.5384sokeenoppa.5384 Member ✭✭✭

    I love dueling, but i do it in My guild hall. No need for dueling in open world.

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  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Maybe it's selfish but I'm glad this game doesn't have duelling. My other MMO does and even though you can disable the invites you can't disable:

    • People spamming chat with requests to duel
    • People arguing in chat about the outcome of a duel, or trying to pick a fight to start one
    • People who follow you around spamming skills because they seem to think that's going to persuade someone who has disabled invites that actually they do want to duel after all
    • People who want an audience and seem to think the best way to get one is to duel on top of the bank/merchant/quest givers etc.

    Or people insisting that skills need to be balanced for duels, or simply crying out for skills to be nerfed/buffed because of their experience duelling.

    So yes, even if you choose not to duel and disable invites it still has an impact, almost everywhere you go.

    There are already ways to duel in GW2 - you can go to a private PvP arena or a guild hall. I don't think we need to bring it into the open world as well.

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  • Daishi.6027Daishi.6027 Member ✭✭✭

    I kind of want it too, but people cry enough.

  • Shaogin.2679Shaogin.2679 Member ✭✭✭

    Simply put, there is no reason to introduce dueling into PvE that outweighs any possible negative impact.

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  • Hoodie.1045Hoodie.1045 Member ✭✭✭

    @Aodlop.1907 said:
    Like it is in WoW

    In WoW too, 1v1 isn't the balance focus of the PvP team, and nobody cares, it's always fun to duel people before an event or while waiting in a queue, or just to test a build or confront a friend just for fun
    It wouldn't harm the game in any way
    I don't understand why this isn't a thing after all these years

    And yes I know you can create a custom lobby and blablabla...But come on...

    Neat idea, but I can't see it being implemented in PvE that well. Dueling in PvE will put some professions at a disadvantage. What I mean by this is that let's say we have a duel between a ranger and an engineer. The engineer is at a disadvantage because the engineer doesn't have cover to use or to LoS the ranger. The engineer would be out of cover all the time and by the time he injures the ranger, he would be dead by then.

    There's a reason why dueling only happens in PvP maps. The maps are made for all professions to fight in and use the environments and higher grounds to their advantage in fights.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I can't really speak for wow dueling, but there is a game that adreeses many of the "fairness" complaints, as well as the requests-for-duels complaints in their dueling system.

    Elder Scrolls Online (ESO)

    https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/25797

    I play that game and GW2. I have BDO but it is hard to get motivated to play that game lol.

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  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 10, 2018

    @Vayne.8563 said:
    A game with duels ruins my immersion. Anet you need not to add duels, because with them my gameplay is disturbed.

    Good luck getting duels but this is a dead horse, the PvE population has spoken and they say even if it was instanced in the Black Citadel out of sight, it was still too disturbing to their game play.

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  • Sampson.2403Sampson.2403 Member ✭✭

    100% agree with OP. That'd be awesome to run around heart of mists or open world with peeps dueling all over the place, juking all over the terrian with blinks etc.

  • Aodlop.1907Aodlop.1907 Member ✭✭

    Dueling in PvE will put some professions at a disadvantage.

    Yes, I said that in my very first message. It wouldn't be balanced, and it's not an issue. Duels are a "fun" thing, not a "serious, competitive" thing. WoW 1v1 isn't balanced either, but people still duel for fun, or in between queues. And there's an option do disable duels too. Also, you can't duel in certain areas, like big cities or within instanced places.

    If the PvE community doesn't want to be "bothered", dueling could be disabled near dungeons, raids or whatever. Or just allowed in some dedicated places, even that would be an improvement. I still don't get why people are against it.

  • Torolan.5816Torolan.5816 Member ✭✭✭

    @Aodlop.1907 said:

    it isn't fun to receive duelling challenges you don't want

    Nice, add a "I don't want to receive duels" option, there you go, problem sovled...

    Why add a solution to a problem that has not to be there? And if you really think this would stop people from harassing potential duelling partners, you are gravely mistaken. Annoyance is like life in Jurassic Park, it finds a way too.

    I can kind of understand why people want to duel, but the annoyance potential for morons rises massively when you allow open world duelling. I don´t want anyone to follow and pesker me in map chat because he always wanted to duel a two pistol engineer or something like that.

  • @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @Vayne.8563 said:
    A game with duels ruins my immersion. Anet you need not to add duels, because with them my gameplay is disturbed.

    Good luck getting duels but this is a dead horse, the PvE population has spoken and they say even if it was instanced in the Black Citadel out of sight, it was still too disturbing to their game play.

    That's not actually what I said. In SWTOR, you can challenge players anywhere, and the fight takes place right there, and there are players who think it's fun to challenge you:

    • Repeatedly until you /ignore them or call them out in /map or /report for harassment
    • When you are level 7 and they are level 60, just for laughs.(1)

    If the duels are just a form of 1v1 PvP in an instanced arena, with a queue rather than an open-world challenge system, sure, that could work. I wouldn't participate, but I don't see any reason (aside from development time resource limits) to say that it's a bad idea.

    (1) SWTOR has level sync, sort of like the level scaling in GW2, except that it trims the power of synced characters significantly less than in GW2. Level 60 versus level 7 on a starter planet is more or less an instant squish.

  • Sylosi.6503Sylosi.6503 Member ✭✭
    edited May 10, 2018

    @Torolan.5816 said:

    @Aodlop.1907 said:

    it isn't fun to receive duelling challenges you don't want

    Nice, add a "I don't want to receive duels" option, there you go, problem sovled...

    Why add a solution to a problem that has not to be there? And if you really think this would stop people from harassing potential duelling partners, you are gravely mistaken. Annoyance is like life in Jurassic Park, it finds a way too.

    I can kind of understand why people want to duel, but the annoyance potential for morons rises massively when you allow open world duelling. I don´t want anyone to follow and pesker me in map chat because he always wanted to duel a two pistol engineer or something like that.

    If the basis for not having things in the game is they might have some vague potential to annoy someone if they are misused, then we better remove players from the game because you people might get annoyed by someone randomly spamming skills in Lion's Arch or somewhere, or by chat (better remove chat), or merely by a player who decides to follow you around.

    Really if your level of intolerance is this high then you simply aren't suited to an MMORPG and should go play a solo game.

  • Vayne.8563Vayne.8563 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Torolan.5816 said:

    @Aodlop.1907 said:

    it isn't fun to receive duelling challenges you don't want

    Nice, add a "I don't want to receive duels" option, there you go, problem sovled...

    Why add a solution to a problem that has not to be there? And if you really think this would stop people from harassing potential duelling partners, you are gravely mistaken. Annoyance is like life in Jurassic Park, it finds a way too.

    I can kind of understand why people want to duel, but the annoyance potential for morons rises massively when you allow open world duelling. I don´t want anyone to follow and pesker me in map chat because he always wanted to duel a two pistol engineer or something like that.

    If the basis for not having things in the game is they might have some vague potential to annoy someone if they are misused, then we better remove players from the game because you people might get annoyed by someone randomly spamming skills in Lion's Arch or somewhere, or by chat (better remove chat), or merely by a player who decides to follow you around.

    Really if your level of intolerance is this high then you simply aren't suited to an MMORPG and should go play a solo game.

    Bad argument is bad. Anet designed a game intentionally where it's harder to grief people. That is they took away kill and node stealing for a reason. Adding in stuff that goes against one of the core design principles is ridiculous. It's like adding meat dishes to a vegetarian restaurant. It's a change that people will be uncomfortable with and every such change makes the game less "yours". The more you do that, the more reason you give people to leave.

    I've played games with dueling and had invites off. It didn't stop idiots from insisting I turn it on, following me around, jumping up and down in my face. Whether it annoys you or not is not really relevant to the conversation. Whether it annoys me or not isn't really relevant either. The real question is what percentage of people it would annoy and how do you stop those people from doing it. Well one way to stop them is to take away the tools in the first place. There's no reason to do that if there's no dueling in the game in the first place.

  • Sylosi.6503Sylosi.6503 Member ✭✭
    edited May 10, 2018

    @Vayne.8563 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Torolan.5816 said:

    @Aodlop.1907 said:

    it isn't fun to receive duelling challenges you don't want

    Nice, add a "I don't want to receive duels" option, there you go, problem sovled...

    Why add a solution to a problem that has not to be there? And if you really think this would stop people from harassing potential duelling partners, you are gravely mistaken. Annoyance is like life in Jurassic Park, it finds a way too.

    I can kind of understand why people want to duel, but the annoyance potential for morons rises massively when you allow open world duelling. I don´t want anyone to follow and pesker me in map chat because he always wanted to duel a two pistol engineer or something like that.

    If the basis for not having things in the game is they might have some vague potential to annoy someone if they are misused, then we better remove players from the game because you people might get annoyed by someone randomly spamming skills in Lion's Arch or somewhere, or by chat (better remove chat), or merely by a player who decides to follow you around.

    Really if your level of intolerance is this high then you simply aren't suited to an MMORPG and should go play a solo game.

    Bad argument is bad.

    Irony...

    Anet designed a game intentionally where it's harder to grief people. That is they took away kill and node stealing for a reason. Adding in stuff that goes against one of the core design principles is ridiculous.

    Duelling doesn't go against those principles, if someone wants to "grief" someone in this game they can do that already.

    As for "core design principles", please stop making me laugh, if this game followed its core design principles it wouldn't have ascended stats, "healers", raids, etc

    It's like adding meat dishes to a vegetarian restaurant. It's a change that people will be uncomfortable with and every such change makes the game less "yours".

    Not at all, consensual duelling is co-operative, it isn't against the ideas of the game at all.

    A much better analogy is that following your "logic" we should not have dungeons in the game, because people have been "griefed" in ways such as guild mates kicking someone in a pug to let another guild member in.

    I've played games with dueling and had invites off.

    I play ESO, that has duelling, only one time I've had a guy really persist when I declined, which pales into insignificance in comparison to the times I've had idiots spamming skills in hub areas in games, but then if I was so 'delicate' that I could not cope with that I wouldn't be playing MMORPGs, because I would clearly not be suited to them. ;)

  • pah.4931pah.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 10, 2018

    I really DON'T understand the arguments against it (as long as there was a way to opt out of getting invites).

  • I also belong to the mob of people thanking goodness that GW2 doesn't have duel

    As mentioned, GW2 PVE at its core is designed to be as much harassment-free as possible
    Anet removed kill-steal, node-steal, open-world PVP, death-drops etc.
    What you ask for would go in exactly the opposite direction

    Go duel in the PVP arena or in an empty PVP server, if you really care

  • kipthelip.5802kipthelip.5802 Member ✭✭
    edited May 10, 2018

    Dueling is fine. The way he wants to implement it is annoying and Im glad it doesnt exist in GW2.

  • @Torolan.5816 said:

    @Aodlop.1907 said:

    it isn't fun to receive duelling challenges you don't want

    Nice, add a "I don't want to receive duels" option, there you go, problem sovled...

    Why add a solution to a problem that has not to be there? And if you really think this would stop people from harassing potential duelling partners, you are gravely mistaken. Annoyance is like life in Jurassic Park, it finds a way too.

    I can kind of understand why people want to duel, but the annoyance potential for morons rises massively when you allow open world duelling. I don´t want anyone to follow and pesker me in map chat because he always wanted to duel a two pistol engineer or something like that.

    There is a block button for a reason...

  • Chilli.2976Chilli.2976 Member ✭✭✭

    New feature in next expansion, ops did I leak that?

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Steve The Cynic.3217 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @Vayne.8563 said:
    A game with duels ruins my immersion. Anet you need not to add duels, because with them my gameplay is disturbed.

    Good luck getting duels but this is a dead horse, the PvE population has spoken and they say even if it was instanced in the Black Citadel out of sight, it was still too disturbing to their game play.

    That's not actually what I said. In SWTOR, you can challenge players anywhere, and the fight takes place right there, and there are players who think it's fun to challenge you:

    • Repeatedly until you /ignore them or call them out in /map or /report for harassment
    • When you are level 7 and they are level 60, just for laughs.(1)

    If the duels are just a form of 1v1 PvP in an instanced arena, with a queue rather than an open-world challenge system, sure, that could work. I wouldn't participate, but I don't see any reason (aside from development time resource limits) to say that it's a bad idea.

    (1) SWTOR has level sync, sort of like the level scaling in GW2, except that it trims the power of synced characters significantly less than in GW2. Level 60 versus level 7 on a starter planet is more or less an instant squish.

    I never quoted you?

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  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Cool thing about this game once you block someone, other than seeing their toon, or them logging into another account, you have zero communication with the blocked. I can't remember, but I don't even think you can see their emotes.

    ESO dueling

    I play the game, it's not all harasasment and annoyance. If anything I become a spectator if I don't want to participate.

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  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @pah.4931 said:
    I really DON'T understand the arguments against it (as long as there was a way to opt out of getting invites).

    People are afraid of change and the "what if" hypothetical situations they can conjure up in their minds.... In short, Fear.

    Fear stops progression, fear over the "what if".... It's easier for most people to close their minds and stick to the demons they already know.

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  • Daishi.6027Daishi.6027 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 11, 2018

    If the balance was such an issue and we wanted to stave off complaints and salt and make it clear it's a "just for fun" thing, you could make it super carebear cuddly safespace by putting a giant sign saying: "Game isn't balanced around this feature. Duels are not counted against your record and mean nothing against your skill in the truly competitive zones of this game under proper criteria. Duels are strictly for fun."
    Every time time you request someone for a duel. In addition make it end when a player downs.

  • uraldum.8513uraldum.8513 Member ✭✭

    @Steve The Cynic.3217 said:
    [OPINION] No, it isn't fun to duel people. More to the point, it isn't fun to receive duelling challenges you don't want.(0) It isn't fun to have things to do and some random moron who really, really wants to duel you, and won't take no for an answer.(1) It also isn't fun to be level 7 on a starter planet of SWTOR, and some random level 60 idiot decides its funny to challenge you (and all the other level sub-10 characters) to duels. [/OPINION]

    (0) For me, that means all of them.

    (1) This was in SWTOR. He didn't stop until I announced "harassment" in the equivalent of /map (although I meant it to be /say).

    1: Max level required (Unless in HotM)
    2: Require both players to challenge each other through the character portrait's right-click menu "Duel" "Request Duel" w.e
    3: Option to toggle your "Duel" option from other player's view

  • Torolan.5816Torolan.5816 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Torolan.5816 said:

    @Aodlop.1907 said:

    it isn't fun to receive duelling challenges you don't want

    Nice, add a "I don't want to receive duels" option, there you go, problem sovled...

    Why add a solution to a problem that has not to be there? And if you really think this would stop people from harassing potential duelling partners, you are gravely mistaken. Annoyance is like life in Jurassic Park, it finds a way too.

    I can kind of understand why people want to duel, but the annoyance potential for morons rises massively when you allow open world duelling. I don´t want anyone to follow and pesker me in map chat because he always wanted to duel a two pistol engineer or something like that.

    If the basis for not having things in the game is they might have some vague potential to annoy someone if they are misused, then we better remove players from the game because you people might get annoyed by someone randomly spamming skills in Lion's Arch or somewhere, or by chat (better remove chat), or merely by a player who decides to follow you around.

    Really if your level of intolerance is this high then you simply aren't suited to an MMORPG and should go play a solo game.

    My level of tolerance is quite high for most ideas. I usually don´t dart into a 1vs1 in wvw for example, although the game mode would give me every right for it. A large number of veterans actually accepts and respects duelling in wvw.
    So I just don´t find the logic into allowing something that you can already do in special places that are not in the open world. The only reasonable answer for this is that you want to drag as many unwilling people as possible into it, and that is where my tolerance indeed is low.

    The vague potential you are speaking off is not vague. To illustrate this, look into wvw and you will always have a joker that builds useless siege on his way just to tick people off because suppies are wasted. When there are ways to troll people, trolls will use them at their leisure. Just ask any Eve Online carebear player whose billion dollar ship was ganked by a 100K throwaway boat right under the nose of the police forces. You may not understand this because it does not bother you if someone follows you with stuff you do not want, but my focus on the game is severely hampered by this kind of behavior.

  • I would think it's fairly easy to duel as things stand. Though having it as some sort HOTM option could be a cool addition for those interested.

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  • Bigpapasmurf.5623Bigpapasmurf.5623 Member ✭✭✭

    Hot Join has rooms specific for dueling
    Guild Arena is also for dueling
    Theres even an arena you can utilize in the PvP lobby that you can duel in
    Heck, there is even dueling in WvW

    If you are referring to like WoW when you can "duel" others in the PvE environment, then that I cannot support. There are many other ways and places to duel as well as people can easily abuse the "challenge" mechanic to the point where it becomes harassment, thus ruining the fun and/or game for others.

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