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Minstrel or Celestial for support tempest ?

Haziq.3907Haziq.3907 Member ✭✭

I know support firebrand is meta but I feel like trying out a support tempest now. The constant application of auras looks really cool. Metabattle suggests minstrel but I feel like it loses out on a lot of support damage. Is it worth it to sacrifice healing output for more damage or do support tempests spend too little time dealing damage since they have to juggle between the attunements to keep the auras up. Any advice ?

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  • Hoodie.1045Hoodie.1045 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Haziq.3907 said:
    I know support firebrand is meta but I feel like trying out a support tempest now. The constant application of auras looks really cool. Metabattle suggests minstrel but I feel like it loses out on a lot of support damage. Is it worth it to sacrifice healing output for more damage or do support tempests spend too little time dealing damage since they have to juggle between the attunements to keep the auras up. Any advice ?

    I would recommend celestial gear. It's the best middle ground gear stat where you don't lose too much healing whilst also not losing too much damage.

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  • Gorani.7205Gorani.7205 Member ✭✭✭

    With Minstrel you rely completely on your team to kill stuff for you. You are the embodiment of a wet noodle. With Celestial you can easily roam a camp or have a fighting chance against enemies if caught alone. To compensate you have to stick to earth and water more in team fights to get more healing out.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Minstrel all the way. Boon duration plus healing plus toughness plus vitality is as defensive as it gets. Dont bother with cele. You can add nomad trinkets for more tankiness. If you run concentration sigil, remember it triggers when you switch attunements.

  • GDchiaScrub.3241GDchiaScrub.3241 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Minstrel if you want to fall asleep. Cele if you want to pretend healing.

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  • ZNICK.8537ZNICK.8537 Member ✭✭

    Minstrel with a little mix of Magi is what I went with.

  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2018

    I real question is : Is the Boon Duration you get from minstrel worth it or is boon dur. from you sigil/rune/ food enough?
    My Guardion can give 18 seconds of regen on one skill but with all the boon hate , it would be a miracle it it stays on for the full duration.

    If you dont need like 70+ Boon Duration and 15 - 20 % are enough then go cele + other healpower major stats.

  • Garrus.7403Garrus.7403 Member ✭✭✭

    Play firebrand instead.

  • X T D.6458X T D.6458 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It depends on your playstyle and whether or not you run with a regular group. If you are needed as a healer in a havoc group, then go minstrel. For all purpose play, celestial is ok but damage sucks either way.

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  • ZNICK.8537ZNICK.8537 Member ✭✭
    edited May 21, 2018

    Here are detailed answers... and nobody suggested celestial- https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/40026/magis-or-minstrels

  • hunkamania.7561hunkamania.7561 Member ✭✭✭

    I would say switch to firebrand

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  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2018

    boon duration gear is useless, not to mention expensive
    with a rev, boon duration sigil + rune + food you can reach 87-100% duration

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Tempest damage is joke anyways, so cele doesnt have much use. I used to play it with cele armor and rest minstrels, but it's pointless.

    Boon duration is not useless. If you give long regens to backline it helps a lot and their boons rarely get stripped. I wouldn't use concentration sigil though since you share only 2-3 boons.

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  • ZNICK.8537ZNICK.8537 Member ✭✭

    @steki.1478 said:
    Tempest damage is joke anyways, so cele doesnt have much use. I used to play it with cele armor and rest minstrels, but it's pointless.

    Boon duration is not useless. If you give long regens to backline it helps a lot and their boons rarely get stripped. I wouldn't use concentration sigil though since you share only 2-3 boons.

    And since damage is a joke even with celestial, minstrels keeps you alive the longest AND keeps your boons up the longest. Magi's gives you higher healing but you die faster.

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  • If it's for zerging; just go minstrel. Cele is good for roaming/taking camps but if you're joining a zerg they're going to need bigger heals. That or play Firebrand for committed balls deep support + heal spam for days.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    minstrel for aura waters reflects regens. =)

    love my minstrel tempest. dagger warhorn. used to be my favorite commander toon. but cant stand how base char looks. i will redesign her so i can play.and.not look like a cow.

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  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If you want decent heals you need to really commit to the healing power. If you’re playing with people who need you to be healing and helping lower damage to them go minstrels, you don’t want to let your team down right?

  • Dukotje.4382Dukotje.4382 Member ✭✭

    Mistrel is definetely preferable! celestial has some wasted stats, and most of the time there is either too much spike damage, or ppl don't use dodges at the right time, so the burst heal from minstrel tempest is amazing to sustain it a little more! i've played ele for 5 years and have seen the meta shift from staff dps to heal temp, to weaver staff dps back to heal temp and i must say, going balls deep with the commander using d/wh is the best feeling ever! :smile:

    the boon duration is definetely enough, since wvw is all about boonstrip /corrupt. the output of healing + boons from aura's constantly can fight that battle!

  • Gemnaid.4219Gemnaid.4219 Member ✭✭✭

    Berserker all the way

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Keep in mind that healtemp (d/f or d/wh), in this scourge era, is much harder to play well. Staff healtemp may be a bit easier (you can heal from the back), but you lose auras. Firebrand is better than healtemp, sadly, in pretty much every aspect, as its utilities coupled with more stability and more boonspam makes em more viable.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Voltekka.2375 said:
    Keep in mind that healtemp (d/f or d/wh), in this scourge era, is much harder to play well. Staff healtemp may be a bit easier (you can heal from the back), but you lose auras. Firebrand is better than healtemp, sadly, in pretty much every aspect, as its utilities coupled with more stability and more boonspam makes em more viable.

    And if you dont like firebrand but still want a healer... just go scourge healer instead. Its by far the most braindead spec in existance, anyone can run it good or bad and just spam every button. Not only do you have a modest amount of condi damage, all that AoE quickly adds up. You wont actually heal as much as the ele or firebrand, but you'll dump a metric kittenton of barriers on people constantly.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Voltekka.2375 said:
    Keep in mind that healtemp (d/f or d/wh), in this scourge era, is much harder to play well. Staff healtemp may be a bit easier (you can heal from the back), but you lose auras. Firebrand is better than healtemp, sadly, in pretty much every aspect, as its utilities coupled with more stability and more boonspam makes em more viable.

    And if you dont like firebrand but still want a healer... just go scourge healer instead. Its by far the most braindead spec in existance, anyone can run it good or bad and just spam every button. Not only do you have a modest amount of condi damage, all that AoE quickly adds up. You wont actually heal as much as the ele or firebrand, but you'll dump a metric kittenton of barriers on people constantly.

    Heal scourge actually requires some brain, because transfuse can clump up your own downed allies and enemies can kill em faster. Also, you dont really NEED much heal power, cause it scales up pretty badly with barrier. Or outgoing healing. You can pretty easily play a condi/heal (emphasis on condi dmg with 600 healpower, which is very easy to do) hybrid, which will do big burst of condi dmg+boon hate, with pretty good support (scourge traits 1-1-1). Scourge doesnt even need to commit to healpower, thats how broken this class is in that aspect, as well.

  • Brother.1504Brother.1504 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Voltekka.2375 said:
    Keep in mind that healtemp (d/f or d/wh), in this scourge era, is much harder to play well. Staff healtemp may be a bit easier (you can heal from the back), but you lose auras. Firebrand is better than healtemp, sadly, in pretty much every aspect, as its utilities coupled with more stability and more boonspam makes em more viable.

    And if you dont like firebrand but still want a healer... just go scourge healer instead. Its by far the most braindead spec in existance, anyone can run it good or bad and just spam every button. Not only do you have a modest amount of condi damage, all that AoE quickly adds up. You wont actually heal as much as the ele or firebrand, but you'll dump a metric kittenton of barriers on people constantly.

    Heal scourge actually requires some brain, because transfuse can clump up your own downed allies and enemies can kill em faster. Also, you dont really NEED much heal power, cause it scales up pretty badly with barrier. Or outgoing healing. You can pretty easily play a condi/heal (emphasis on condi dmg with 600 healpower, which is very easy to do) hybrid, which will do big burst of condi dmg+boon hate, with pretty good support (scourge traits 1-1-1). Scourge doesnt even need to commit to healpower, thats how broken this class is in that aspect, as well.

    I play Spellbreaker. I really love those transfusion stacked up downs. Wish there was a unreal tournament sound addon when I hundred blades those piles of goodness.

  • FASTCAR.7831FASTCAR.7831 Member ✭✭✭

    Cele for support? This post a joke?

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  • starlinvf.1358starlinvf.1358 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @FASTCAR.7831 said:
    Cele for support? This post a joke?

    Cele used to be the Go-To for hybrid and support, before the damage scaling shot up faster then BTC. It only lost value in this meta, because the 2 extremes (condi damage and heal) are directly countering each other in most fights. If either buckles, the other just overwhelms completely.

    Front line used to run Cele precisely because the combination of sustain and middling damage made you enough of a threat to split attention between FL CC and back line damage. Now its just pure damage..... and the only counter to that is overhealing.

  • cobbah.3102cobbah.3102 Member ✭✭✭

    minstrel guard for the win

  • juno.1840juno.1840 Member ✭✭✭

    @GDchiaScrub.3241 said:
    Minstrel if you want to fall asleep. Cele if you want to pretend healing.

    Pretty much this. However Auras are not sufficient to warrant support Tempest over support FB. The most valuable aura is arguably earth and that's been outdone with F3 Tome, page 3.

  • TheQuickFox.3826TheQuickFox.3826 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You don't need to use one stat anyways. You can perfectly fine mix minstrels with celestial for example.
    But supporting is not really about damage. Supporting is more about healing, staying alive, quickly reviving and of course carrying supps in the process. For support: go for toughness/healing/vitality. For hybrid fun: celestial is fine. For damage: go scourge. :p

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  • morrolan.9608morrolan.9608 Member ✭✭✭

    Celestial, hate minstrel cause I hit like a wet noodle.

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @morrolan.9608 said:
    Celestial, hate minstrel cause I hit like a wet noodle.

    Support tempest hits like a wet noodle anyways.

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  • Haziq.3907Haziq.3907 Member ✭✭
    edited June 5, 2018

    Thanks all. I got the minstrel armor set through the triumphant WvW boxes and used the minstrel ascended trinkets and a nomad staff. I didn't enjoy it lol. No access to group stability and I felt like I wasn't healing as much as a fb. I guess I'm back to the firebrand when support is needed.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Sadly tempest nor ele over all is a jack of all trads class any more you need to go all in or your not going to do any thing at all. I say minstrel if you want to support cele if you want to be a bruser (keep in mind your a burser who only stays alive and nothing but.)

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  • ZNICK.8537ZNICK.8537 Member ✭✭

    I would absolutely argue that Tempest heals for more than FB if you know what you're doing... it's the boons\/buffs that people take FB over Tempest for. (not me, I still prefer Tempest, but whatev)

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