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  • TyPin.9860TyPin.9860 Member ✭✭

    Where is the "None is OP" option?

  • gateless gate.8406gateless gate.8406 Member ✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    @TyPin.9860 said:
    Where is the "None is OP" option?

    How shocking that the person arguing that things are balanced has a mesmer forum icon.

  • Eekasqueak.7850Eekasqueak.7850 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    We could really use a major profession balance patch.

  • TyPin.9860TyPin.9860 Member ✭✭

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:
    Where is the "None is OP" option?

    How shocking that the person arguing that things are balanced has a mesmer forum icon.

    I wasn't arguing that things are balanced. I do admit that especially certain condi mirrage builds seem over the top. But a poll without a neutral option falls victim to bias. It could theoretically be, although I don't believe this is the case, that more ppl find the classes balanced than they find Mesmer OP.

  • DeceiverX.8361DeceiverX.8361 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    @Eekasqueak.7850 said:
    We could really use a major profession balance patch.

    We've been needing one for almost three years. That's not even considering the stuff that's been borked since launch that is still borked.

    You sure that Sniper idea is as good as you thought it was gonna be?
    Because I think my original idea is better.
    Quit/Inactive. No, you can't have my stuff.

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TyPin.9860 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:
    Where is the "None is OP" option?

    How shocking that the person arguing that things are balanced has a mesmer forum icon.

    I wasn't arguing that things are balanced. I do admit that especially certain condi mirrage builds seem over the top. But a poll without a neutral option falls victim to bias. It could theoretically be, although I don't believe this is the case, that more ppl find the classes balanced than they find Mesmer OP.

    i would vote none is OP, as there is no class best in every aspect of the game. if the poll was more specific: like who is OP/best in a certain role in a certain mode..then i might select classes. but overall none.

  • gateless gate.8406gateless gate.8406 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2018
    Mesmer

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:
    Where is the "None is OP" option?

    How shocking that the person arguing that things are balanced has a mesmer forum icon.

    I wasn't arguing that things are balanced. I do admit that especially certain condi mirrage builds seem over the top. But a poll without a neutral option falls victim to bias. It could theoretically be, although I don't believe this is the case, that more ppl find the classes balanced than they find Mesmer OP.

    i would vote none is OP, as there is no class best in every aspect of the game. if the poll was more specific: like who is OP/best in a certain role in a certain mode..then i might select classes. but overall none.

    Best and ONLY tank: Mesmer
    Best support: Mesmer
    Arguably best WvW roamer: Mesmer
    Best sPVP roamer/duelist: Mesmer
    Most in-demand and "necessary" fractal class: Mesmer
    Tier 1 DPS in both power and condi: Mesmer

    How exactly do you define best?

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:
    Where is the "None is OP" option?

    How shocking that the person arguing that things are balanced has a mesmer forum icon.

    I wasn't arguing that things are balanced. I do admit that especially certain condi mirrage builds seem over the top. But a poll without a neutral option falls victim to bias. It could theoretically be, although I don't believe this is the case, that more ppl find the classes balanced than they find Mesmer OP.

    i would vote none is OP, as there is no class best in every aspect of the game. if the poll was more specific: like who is OP/best in a certain role in a certain mode..then i might select classes. but overall none.

    Best and ONLY tank: Mesmer
    Best support: Mesmer
    Arguably best WvW roamer: Mesmer
    Best sPVP roamer/duelist: Mesmer
    Most in-demand and "necessary" fractal class: Mesmer
    Tier 1 DPS in both power and condi: Mesmer

    How exactly do you define best?

    how do you define best for anything above in a game with group balance ? yes mesmer has a very solid spot in most groups, but mesmer doesnt stack good. for example firebrand supporters in WvW zergs stack good, you could even have 30-40% of your zerg with em, you wouldnt want as many support mesmers.

  • gateless gate.8406gateless gate.8406 Member ✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:
    Where is the "None is OP" option?

    How shocking that the person arguing that things are balanced has a mesmer forum icon.

    I wasn't arguing that things are balanced. I do admit that especially certain condi mirrage builds seem over the top. But a poll without a neutral option falls victim to bias. It could theoretically be, although I don't believe this is the case, that more ppl find the classes balanced than they find Mesmer OP.

    i would vote none is OP, as there is no class best in every aspect of the game. if the poll was more specific: like who is OP/best in a certain role in a certain mode..then i might select classes. but overall none.

    Best and ONLY tank: Mesmer
    Best support: Mesmer
    Arguably best WvW roamer: Mesmer
    Best sPVP roamer/duelist: Mesmer
    Most in-demand and "necessary" fractal class: Mesmer
    Tier 1 DPS in both power and condi: Mesmer

    How exactly do you define best?

    how do you define best for anything above in a game with group balance ? yes mesmer has a very solid spot in most groups, but mesmer doesnt stack good. for example firebrand supporters in WvW zergs stack good, you could even have 30-40% of your zerg with em, you wouldnt want as many support mesmers.

    Congratulations, you picked the only gameplay mode/function in which mesmer is underrepresented: WvW blobbing.

    Care to try your hand at the other examples?

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:
    Where is the "None is OP" option?

    How shocking that the person arguing that things are balanced has a mesmer forum icon.

    I wasn't arguing that things are balanced. I do admit that especially certain condi mirrage builds seem over the top. But a poll without a neutral option falls victim to bias. It could theoretically be, although I don't believe this is the case, that more ppl find the classes balanced than they find Mesmer OP.

    i would vote none is OP, as there is no class best in every aspect of the game. if the poll was more specific: like who is OP/best in a certain role in a certain mode..then i might select classes. but overall none.

    Best and ONLY tank: Mesmer
    Best support: Mesmer
    Arguably best WvW roamer: Mesmer
    Best sPVP roamer/duelist: Mesmer
    Most in-demand and "necessary" fractal class: Mesmer
    Tier 1 DPS in both power and condi: Mesmer

    How exactly do you define best?

    how do you define best for anything above in a game with group balance ? yes mesmer has a very solid spot in most groups, but mesmer doesnt stack good. for example firebrand supporters in WvW zergs stack good, you could even have 30-40% of your zerg with em, you wouldnt want as many support mesmers.

    Congratulations, you picked the only gameplay mode/function in which mesmer is underrepresented: WvW blobbing.

    Care to try your hand at the other examples?

    mesmer is not best wvw roamer. ranger is a better duellist and thief a better ganker.

  • gateless gate.8406gateless gate.8406 Member ✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:
    Where is the "None is OP" option?

    How shocking that the person arguing that things are balanced has a mesmer forum icon.

    I wasn't arguing that things are balanced. I do admit that especially certain condi mirrage builds seem over the top. But a poll without a neutral option falls victim to bias. It could theoretically be, although I don't believe this is the case, that more ppl find the classes balanced than they find Mesmer OP.

    i would vote none is OP, as there is no class best in every aspect of the game. if the poll was more specific: like who is OP/best in a certain role in a certain mode..then i might select classes. but overall none.

    Best and ONLY tank: Mesmer
    Best support: Mesmer
    Arguably best WvW roamer: Mesmer
    Best sPVP roamer/duelist: Mesmer
    Most in-demand and "necessary" fractal class: Mesmer
    Tier 1 DPS in both power and condi: Mesmer

    How exactly do you define best?

    how do you define best for anything above in a game with group balance ? yes mesmer has a very solid spot in most groups, but mesmer doesnt stack good. for example firebrand supporters in WvW zergs stack good, you could even have 30-40% of your zerg with em, you wouldnt want as many support mesmers.

    Congratulations, you picked the only gameplay mode/function in which mesmer is underrepresented: WvW blobbing.

    Care to try your hand at the other examples?

    mesmer is not best wvw roamer. ranger is a better duellist and thief a better ganker.

    I said arguably best, but we can absolutely knock that down to "one of the best." Same with the sPVP status: Let's say "best sPVP roamer/duelist/ganker but can be replaced by thief, which is very good in that role." Definitely a more accurate phrasing.

    To recap: Mesmer best or top tier in every game mode/playstyle except wvw blobbing.

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:
    Where is the "None is OP" option?

    How shocking that the person arguing that things are balanced has a mesmer forum icon.

    I wasn't arguing that things are balanced. I do admit that especially certain condi mirrage builds seem over the top. But a poll without a neutral option falls victim to bias. It could theoretically be, although I don't believe this is the case, that more ppl find the classes balanced than they find Mesmer OP.

    i would vote none is OP, as there is no class best in every aspect of the game. if the poll was more specific: like who is OP/best in a certain role in a certain mode..then i might select classes. but overall none.

    Best and ONLY tank: Mesmer
    Best support: Mesmer
    Arguably best WvW roamer: Mesmer
    Best sPVP roamer/duelist: Mesmer
    Most in-demand and "necessary" fractal class: Mesmer
    Tier 1 DPS in both power and condi: Mesmer

    How exactly do you define best?

    how do you define best for anything above in a game with group balance ? yes mesmer has a very solid spot in most groups, but mesmer doesnt stack good. for example firebrand supporters in WvW zergs stack good, you could even have 30-40% of your zerg with em, you wouldnt want as many support mesmers.

    Congratulations, you picked the only gameplay mode/function in which mesmer is underrepresented: WvW blobbing.

    Care to try your hand at the other examples?

    mesmer is not best wvw roamer. ranger is a better duellist and thief a better ganker.

    I said arguably best, but we can absolutely knock that down to "one of the best." Same with the sPVP status: Let's say "best sPVP roamer/duelist/ganker but can be replaced by thief, which is very good in that role." Definitely a more accurate phrasing.

    To recap: Mesmer best or top tier in every game mode/playstyle except wvw blobbing.

    to recap this game is balanced for groups. mesmer is very usefull in any group. but mesmer is not OP that you would want a group full of mesmers. so there is still stuff other classes provide mesmer cant or not to that extend like heals, banners, spirits, condi remove or speaking again wvw blobbing: large aoe ranged damage/boonhate.

  • Shoyoko.7309Shoyoko.7309 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2018
    Mesmer

    hahaha someone really put 1 vote for engineer.
    awww.... you sir, are a hero in my eyes for thinking so highly of engi. <3

  • Ghos.1326Ghos.1326 Member ✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:
    Where is the "None is OP" option?

    How shocking that the person arguing that things are balanced has a mesmer forum icon.

    I wasn't arguing that things are balanced. I do admit that especially certain condi mirrage builds seem over the top. But a poll without a neutral option falls victim to bias. It could theoretically be, although I don't believe this is the case, that more ppl find the classes balanced than they find Mesmer OP.

    i would vote none is OP, as there is no class best in every aspect of the game. if the poll was more specific: like who is OP/best in a certain role in a certain mode..then i might select classes. but overall none.

    Best and ONLY tank: Mesmer
    Best support: Mesmer
    Arguably best WvW roamer: Mesmer
    Best sPVP roamer/duelist: Mesmer
    Most in-demand and "necessary" fractal class: Mesmer
    Tier 1 DPS in both power and condi: Mesmer

    How exactly do you define best?

    how do you define best for anything above in a game with group balance ? yes mesmer has a very solid spot in most groups, but mesmer doesnt stack good. for example firebrand supporters in WvW zergs stack good, you could even have 30-40% of your zerg with em, you wouldnt want as many support mesmers.

    Congratulations, you picked the only gameplay mode/function in which mesmer is underrepresented: WvW blobbing.

    Care to try your hand at the other examples?

    mesmer is not best wvw roamer. ranger is a better duellist and thief a better ganker.

    I said arguably best, but we can absolutely knock that down to "one of the best." Same with the sPVP status: Let's say "best sPVP roamer/duelist/ganker but can be replaced by thief, which is very good in that role." Definitely a more accurate phrasing.

    To recap: Mesmer best or top tier in every game mode/playstyle except wvw blobbing.

    to recap this game is balanced for groups. mesmer is very usefull in any group. but mesmer is not OP that you would want a group full of mesmers. so there is still stuff other classes provide mesmer cant or not to that extend like heals, banners, spirits, condi remove or speaking again wvw blobbing: large aoe ranged damage/boonhate.

    There actually is a support chrono build out there that i have seen support people through healing. i think it utilizes the trait that heals when wells are placed.

    The greatest enemy to improvement, is ignorance. But the desire to learn will cast ignorance into the fire.

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ghos.1326 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:
    Where is the "None is OP" option?

    How shocking that the person arguing that things are balanced has a mesmer forum icon.

    I wasn't arguing that things are balanced. I do admit that especially certain condi mirrage builds seem over the top. But a poll without a neutral option falls victim to bias. It could theoretically be, although I don't believe this is the case, that more ppl find the classes balanced than they find Mesmer OP.

    i would vote none is OP, as there is no class best in every aspect of the game. if the poll was more specific: like who is OP/best in a certain role in a certain mode..then i might select classes. but overall none.

    Best and ONLY tank: Mesmer
    Best support: Mesmer
    Arguably best WvW roamer: Mesmer
    Best sPVP roamer/duelist: Mesmer
    Most in-demand and "necessary" fractal class: Mesmer
    Tier 1 DPS in both power and condi: Mesmer

    How exactly do you define best?

    how do you define best for anything above in a game with group balance ? yes mesmer has a very solid spot in most groups, but mesmer doesnt stack good. for example firebrand supporters in WvW zergs stack good, you could even have 30-40% of your zerg with em, you wouldnt want as many support mesmers.

    Congratulations, you picked the only gameplay mode/function in which mesmer is underrepresented: WvW blobbing.

    Care to try your hand at the other examples?

    mesmer is not best wvw roamer. ranger is a better duellist and thief a better ganker.

    I said arguably best, but we can absolutely knock that down to "one of the best." Same with the sPVP status: Let's say "best sPVP roamer/duelist/ganker but can be replaced by thief, which is very good in that role." Definitely a more accurate phrasing.

    To recap: Mesmer best or top tier in every game mode/playstyle except wvw blobbing.

    to recap this game is balanced for groups. mesmer is very usefull in any group. but mesmer is not OP that you would want a group full of mesmers. so there is still stuff other classes provide mesmer cant or not to that extend like heals, banners, spirits, condi remove or speaking again wvw blobbing: large aoe ranged damage/boonhate.

    There actually is a support chrono build out there that i have seen support people through healing. i think it utilizes the trait that heals when wells are placed.

    yes it does provide heals, but compared to firebrand, druid, tempest or rev those heals are laughable.

  • Nimon.7840Nimon.7840 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Ghos.1326 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @TyPin.9860 said:
    Where is the "None is OP" option?

    How shocking that the person arguing that things are balanced has a mesmer forum icon.

    I wasn't arguing that things are balanced. I do admit that especially certain condi mirrage builds seem over the top. But a poll without a neutral option falls victim to bias. It could theoretically be, although I don't believe this is the case, that more ppl find the classes balanced than they find Mesmer OP.

    i would vote none is OP, as there is no class best in every aspect of the game. if the poll was more specific: like who is OP/best in a certain role in a certain mode..then i might select classes. but overall none.

    Best and ONLY tank: Mesmer
    Best support: Mesmer
    Arguably best WvW roamer: Mesmer
    Best sPVP roamer/duelist: Mesmer
    Most in-demand and "necessary" fractal class: Mesmer
    Tier 1 DPS in both power and condi: Mesmer

    How exactly do you define best?

    how do you define best for anything above in a game with group balance ? yes mesmer has a very solid spot in most groups, but mesmer doesnt stack good. for example firebrand supporters in WvW zergs stack good, you could even have 30-40% of your zerg with em, you wouldnt want as many support mesmers.

    Congratulations, you picked the only gameplay mode/function in which mesmer is underrepresented: WvW blobbing.

    Care to try your hand at the other examples?

    mesmer is not best wvw roamer. ranger is a better duellist and thief a better ganker.

    I said arguably best, but we can absolutely knock that down to "one of the best." Same with the sPVP status: Let's say "best sPVP roamer/duelist/ganker but can be replaced by thief, which is very good in that role." Definitely a more accurate phrasing.

    To recap: Mesmer best or top tier in every game mode/playstyle except wvw blobbing.

    to recap this game is balanced for groups. mesmer is very usefull in any group. but mesmer is not OP that you would want a group full of mesmers. so there is still stuff other classes provide mesmer cant or not to that extend like heals, banners, spirits, condi remove or speaking again wvw blobbing: large aoe ranged damage/boonhate.

    There actually is a support chrono build out there that i have seen support people through healing. i think it utilizes the trait that heals when wells are placed.

    yes it does provide heals, but compared to firebrand, druid, tempest or rev those heals are laughable.

    Yeah they are quite static. But for raids, it's enough heal at most bosses, add a little bit of barrier and your group will be healthy

  • Eekasqueak.7850Eekasqueak.7850 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 7, 2018
    Mesmer

    I don't think it's about being the literal best at everything just being the best at more things than any other profession. While also not really being the worst at anything.

  • Jack Redline.5379Jack Redline.5379 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Necromancer

    I really wanted to put mesmer but imo even complete noob necro is able to 1st stay alive in any fight 2nd perma smap cripple 3rd burn anything in his AoEs 4th get himself plenty boons 5th with combination with that defiance bar can have 2x (and more) his own life which is real pain in kitten especially in PVP

  • Nimon.7840Nimon.7840 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    @Jack Redline.5379 said:
    I really wanted to put mesmer but imo even complete noob necro is able to 1st stay alive in any fight 2nd perma smap cripple 3rd burn anything in his AoEs 4th get himself plenty boons 5th with combination with that defiance bar can have 2x (and more) his own life which is real pain in kitten especially in PVP

    I don't know. Necro can only solo kill people if they are really bad or if the necro has a supporter behind him.
    Especially thiefes shouldn't have any problem to kill necros easily

  • Warrior

    @Shoyoko.7309 said:
    hahaha someone really put 1 vote for engineer.
    awww.... you sir, are a hero in my eyes for thinking so highly of engi. <3

    Holosmith deals quite a lot of dmg in few seconds tho ... it's not OP but it's definitely strong

  • Nimon.7840Nimon.7840 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    @Nath Forge Tempete.1645 said:

    @Shoyoko.7309 said:
    hahaha someone really put 1 vote for engineer.
    awww.... you sir, are a hero in my eyes for thinking so highly of engi. <3

    Holosmith deals quite a lot of dmg in few seconds tho ... it's not OP but it's definitely strong

    And if you play the non kit build in raids it's way too easy to play for the dmg output it does?!

  • Jack Redline.5379Jack Redline.5379 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Necromancer

    @Nimon.7840 said:

    @Jack Redline.5379 said:
    I really wanted to put mesmer but imo even complete noob necro is able to 1st stay alive in any fight 2nd perma smap cripple 3rd burn anything in his AoEs 4th get himself plenty boons 5th with combination with that defiance bar can have 2x (and more) his own life which is real pain in kitten especially in PVP

    I don't know. Necro can only solo kill people if they are really bad or if the necro has a supporter behind him.
    Especially thiefes shouldn't have any problem to kill necros easily

    I will give example from my last game i had this weak i was pretty freaked out about it. We were ranked pvp (i am gold so i assume other ppl are also gold rank) and we were playing Niflhel. I play condi DD trapper and i wasobviously went to cap close. A necro with perma swiftness arived and i am like okay i will burst the kitten out of him. (Hell how was i wrong) Not only he ran through my traps and didnt get nocked or imobilized due to stability. He even cleansed the condis of him and then i was just fighting him with 3 and dodges. It lasted like half of the match and then i died. (some warior came and finished him up after he had like 2% life or so) i respawned and returened to close. Warior left Necro again came in. I am like GOD and again second part of the battle i was fighting again just this single bloody necro. We won after all because the reest of my team was able to cap far and mid and hold them. But i died at the end again and warior came to finish him up at 2%.
    At the end of the match i had top stats for Defense AND FOR FREAKING MOST DMG DEALT.
    I fought only this freaking necro and i did more dmg just to him than all anyone in my team did to all other players from his team. Just to this freaking necro. I seriously didnt move from close and i was fighting only him. I mean this is proof enough for me that necro is freaking op. Not to mention if i wouldnt time the dodges/ini spent so precisely like Marie Curie counted when she wanted to split atoms. I woudl have died. I had perma cripple on me only dodges were cleaning it. I got freaking burnt by him how the hell do they drop burn?

  • Catchyfx.5768Catchyfx.5768 Member ✭✭✭
    Warrior

    @Jack Redline.5379 said:

    @Nimon.7840 said:

    @Jack Redline.5379 said:
    I really wanted to put mesmer but imo even complete noob necro is able to 1st stay alive in any fight 2nd perma smap cripple 3rd burn anything in his AoEs 4th get himself plenty boons 5th with combination with that defiance bar can have 2x (and more) his own life which is real pain in kitten especially in PVP

    I don't know. Necro can only solo kill people if they are really bad or if the necro has a supporter behind him.
    Especially thiefes shouldn't have any problem to kill necros easily

    I play condi DD trapper

    there is a answer.

    Jokaurene

  • Nimon.7840Nimon.7840 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    @Jack Redline.5379 said:

    @Nimon.7840 said:

    @Jack Redline.5379 said:
    I really wanted to put mesmer but imo even complete noob necro is able to 1st stay alive in any fight 2nd perma smap cripple 3rd burn anything in his AoEs 4th get himself plenty boons 5th with combination with that defiance bar can have 2x (and more) his own life which is real pain in kitten especially in PVP

    I don't know. Necro can only solo kill people if they are really bad or if the necro has a supporter behind him.
    Especially thiefes shouldn't have any problem to kill necros easily

    I will give example from my last game i had this weak i was pretty freaked out about it. We were ranked pvp (i am gold so i assume other ppl are also gold rank) and we were playing Niflhel. I play condi DD trapper and i wasobviously went to cap close. A necro with perma swiftness arived and i am like okay i will burst the kitten out of him. (Hell how was i wrong) Not only he ran through my traps and didnt get nocked or imobilized due to stability. He even cleansed the condis of him and then i was just fighting him with 3 and dodges. It lasted like half of the match and then i died. (some warior came and finished him up after he had like 2% life or so) i respawned and returened to close. Warior left Necro again came in. I am like GOD and again second part of the battle i was fighting again just this single bloody necro. We won after all because the reest of my team was able to cap far and mid and hold them. But i died at the end again and warior came to finish him up at 2%.
    At the end of the match i had top stats for Defense AND FOR FREAKING MOST DMG DEALT.
    I fought only this freaking necro and i did more dmg just to him than all anyone in my team did to all other players from his team. Just to this freaking necro. I seriously didnt move from close and i was fighting only him. I mean this is proof enough for me that necro is freaking op. Not to mention if i wouldnt time the dodges/ini spent so precisely like Marie Curie counted when she wanted to split atoms. I woudl have died. I had perma cripple on me only dodges were cleaning it. I got freaking burnt by him how the hell do they drop burn?

    Just play scourge yourself. You will recognize all of necros weaknesses pretty fast:
    -Easy cc-able because only 1 stack of stab on 30 seconds cd.
    -Easy kiteable because immobile as no other class.
    -Useless without lifeforce.
    -Skills with huge tells (easy dodgeable or interuptable)
    -no good sustain, always needs a supporter to be effective
    - and condicleanses aren't that good, because it's only 2 every 8 seconds with again: lifeforce cost (if consume conditions and plaguesignet is run you get 2times all condis cleansed)

  • jan.7915jan.7915 Member ✭✭
    Mesmer

    @Nimon.7840 said:

    @Nath Forge Tempete.1645 said:

    @Shoyoko.7309 said:
    hahaha someone really put 1 vote for engineer.
    awww.... you sir, are a hero in my eyes for thinking so highly of engi. <3

    Holosmith deals quite a lot of dmg in few seconds tho ... it's not OP but it's definitely strong

    And if you play the non kit build in raids it's way too easy to play for the dmg output it does?!

    As long as it's less dos than harder builds that's nothing but a nice option to l2p.

    Mesmer is o_O because it is a must have in any raid.do u care weather u got an engineer? Do u care to run without 2 mesmer? I don't see the issue since rerollling is easy but maybe it would add fun to open the role up to other prof.

  • Jack Redline.5379Jack Redline.5379 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Necromancer

    @Catchyfx.5768 said:

    @Jack Redline.5379 said:

    @Nimon.7840 said:

    @Jack Redline.5379 said:
    I really wanted to put mesmer but imo even complete noob necro is able to 1st stay alive in any fight 2nd perma smap cripple 3rd burn anything in his AoEs 4th get himself plenty boons 5th with combination with that defiance bar can have 2x (and more) his own life which is real pain in kitten especially in PVP

    I don't know. Necro can only solo kill people if they are really bad or if the necro has a supporter behind him.
    Especially thiefes shouldn't have any problem to kill necros easily

    I play condi DD trapper

    there is a answer.

    I dont get why would condi DD trapper be wrong? i can get pretty rekted by powerful players yes. But i can rekt them back if i play my thing right. Trapper is not bad build if you know how to use it

  • Catchyfx.5768Catchyfx.5768 Member ✭✭✭
    Warrior

    @Jack Redline.5379 said:

    @Catchyfx.5768 said:

    @Jack Redline.5379 said:

    @Nimon.7840 said:

    @Jack Redline.5379 said:
    I really wanted to put mesmer but imo even complete noob necro is able to 1st stay alive in any fight 2nd perma smap cripple 3rd burn anything in his AoEs 4th get himself plenty boons 5th with combination with that defiance bar can have 2x (and more) his own life which is real pain in kitten especially in PVP

    I don't know. Necro can only solo kill people if they are really bad or if the necro has a supporter behind him.
    Especially thiefes shouldn't have any problem to kill necros easily

    I play condi DD trapper

    there is a answer.

    I dont get why would condi DD trapper be wrong? i can get pretty rekted by powerful players yes. But i can rekt them back if i play my thing right. Trapper is not bad build if you know how to use it

    Sure i trust you but maybe scourge just counter your build? I play Reaper And thieves,Rangers,holos,mesmers,warriors Are ultra hard to wincuz they counter me hard

    Jokaurene

  • Jack Redline.5379Jack Redline.5379 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Necromancer

    @Catchyfx.5768 said:

    Sure i trust you but maybe scourge just counter your build? I play Reaper And thieves,Rangers,holos,mesmers,warriors Are ultra hard to wincuz they counter me hard

    yea i understand. But as i said. For example even today. I as a thief got rekted by necro milion times and i just played 4 matches and then ppl would hate on me that i am a noob. Well i am not but the necro was freaking too powerfull

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2018

    @Vagrant.7206 said:
    Who the hell voted Revenant? Where have y'all been?

    @Jaycesion.4235 said:
    Mesmer is overtune. It is a hard but reward class , yes. But, it may be too rewarding with all the damage you can put out.

    It's the opposite problem of engineer/ele, which are both difficult classes to play, but get relatively lit tle reward compared to mesmer.

    lol still crying that engi need buffs hahahaha
    Started to play wvw (with ultra hard class to play holo ofc) and killing any kind of mirage there with ease just by facerolling(even 1vs2 power+condi at once)... very little reward class indeed

  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Vagrant.7206 said:
    Who the hell voted Revenant? Where have y'all been?

    @Jaycesion.4235 said:
    Mesmer is overtune. It is a hard but reward class , yes. But, it may be too rewarding with all the damage you can put out.

    It's the opposite problem of engineer/ele, which are both difficult classes to play, but get relatively lit tle reward compared to mesmer.

    lol still crying that engi need buffs hahahaha
    Started to play wvw (with ultra hard class to play holo ofc) and killing any kind of mirage there with ease just by facerolling(even 1vs2 power+condi at once)... very little reward class indeed

    What? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

    The great god Lagki demands sacrifice!

  • flarezi.9381flarezi.9381 Member ✭✭
    Mesmer

    Mesmer & Warrior.

  • aimz.6287aimz.6287 Member ✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    Mesmer needs a nerf

  • Lily.1935Lily.1935 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    @Jack Redline.5379 said:

    @Catchyfx.5768 said:

    Sure i trust you but maybe scourge just counter your build? I play Reaper And thieves,Rangers,holos,mesmers,warriors Are ultra hard to wincuz they counter me hard

    yea i understand. But as i said. For example even today. I as a thief got rekted by necro milion times and i just played 4 matches and then ppl would hate on me that i am a noob. Well i am not but the necro was freaking too powerfull

    As someone who mains necromancer I can tell you they are extraordinarily fragile. Their weaknesses are plentiful and their game relies on killing you before you kill them. They can't escape so they need to control and sustain themselves. But there is an easy solution to fighting them if you find you can't win the fight. Run. Necromancers are really slow and changes are you can escape from them. And just bring allies with you and farm free kills off of the necromancer, because she can't defend against you.

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 13, 2018

    Mesmer hate is real, but understandable. It's mainly elite specs are really overtuned vs core specs.

    For PvE, chrono tanking / boon share.

    For WvW , mirage roamers and chronos with gravity well / portals / boon share.

    Basically I anticipate another heavy nerf to Signet of Inspiration , Bountiful Disillusionment, and the Healing Prism +restorative Illusion traits. Alacrity might be detuned to 15% to 20% too if they really want to hit chrono.

    I'd also expect a boon duration cap on Chaotic Persistence or a flat %.

  • Mesmer

    Mesmer is by far the most imbalanced class in the game.

  • BadMed.3846BadMed.3846 Member ✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    This Mesmer hate is so valid. the cooldowns, clones, evades and utilities just make this class unbeatable in half decent hands.

  • Mesmer

    The funny thing is.... mesmer was just as imbalanced 5 years ago when i first played GW2.
    5 years, and still the same....
    Most learn by mistakes, correct mistakes and make things better...... Arenanet stays the same.

  • Threather.9354Threather.9354 Member ✭✭✭
    Guardian

    Guardian. While not as easy to play as mesmer, the class is just too strong when mastered

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  • Warrior

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:

    @Eekasqueak.7850 said:

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:

    @RedShark.9548 said:

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:
    LOL buncha mes qq. guard hands down. has always had good pve dps, must have (repeat MUST HAVE) in wvw since the dawn of time, and has been in pretty much every single meta team in pvp.

    just because its needed because of the boons it can pump out doesnt mean its op, its just that hes the only one that can do it, and those boons are the only way to stay alive with the power creep thats going on, its not fault of the guard, hes just the only one that can provide what is needed

    and mesmer is pretty much needed in any other gamemode aswell, even in zergs mesmer is somewhat needed, even if it was just for the veil, in roaming mesmer is alot stronger than guard

    lol... just because of the boons. right. what about the insane heals / condi clears / reflects / overall tankiness. they are the linchpin in zergs. in roaming, guard counters mes lol. mes may be stronger overall but its kinda funny you bring that up. so mes beats guard in roaming, which isnt even a game mode, and guard wins pretty much everywhere else.

    Can't tell if trolling because you don't want mesmer nerfed or just a bad mesmer player. Outside if WvW Chronomancer is the most wanted support class, period, and Mirage is like thief but better. Guardian doesn't really push into any other profession's territory in such a direct way. Sure Guardian is good but not OP good. Mesmer can just do some of everything.

    so by outside of wvw you mean pve. ok.
    you guys dont get it. guard in wvw and arguably in pvp as well, has been MANDATORY. has always had a spot in pve as far as i can tell. ok mes is really good support in pve, fine. mandatory in pvp? maybe, but just because of portal. in wvw? no.
    this thread is about overall OPness not your tears or one thing or another, look at the big picture.

    As far as you can tell, so you were around near release?

  • Scar.1793Scar.1793 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2018
    Mesmer

    Literally seeing mirage not even being scared of 4vs1 in WvW.
    Spellbreakers aren’t far behind but Mirage is from another dimension : it has everything in a singke pack : cc, heavy aoe burst, passive evades, stealth, it’s a real pain to fight one. They’re better thieves and melee without any issues lol

  • Scar.1793Scar.1793 Member ✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    @JTGuevara.9018 said:
    I'm not surprised mesmer is in the top. Mirage is just freakin NONSENSE. Anyone arguing against mesmer nerfs, I will automatically assume that you play one.

    Try reasoning with them on mesmer subforum it’s quite funny.

  • Nimon.7840Nimon.7840 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    Fun fact: 70% votes for mesmer and still no mentionable nerf.

    Seems legit

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Scar.1793 said:
    Literally seeing mirage not even being scared of 4vs1 in WvW.

    Oh thats just being forced to fight the gank groups of thieves, holos and warriors.

    I mean what else could you do? Duel that 1 other enemy mesmer somewhere on the border?

    Dont look a gift Asura in the mouth.
    No seriously, dont. Shark teeth.

  • RedShark.9548RedShark.9548 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Scar.1793 said:
    Literally seeing mirage not even being scared of 4vs1 in WvW.

    Oh thats just being forced to fight the gank groups of thieves, holos and warriors.

    I mean what else could you do? Duel that 1 other enemy mesmer somewhere on the border?

    sure bro, only mesmer run around solo, the others are each and everyone in ganking groups
    poor poor honorable mesmer player

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @RedShark.9548 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Scar.1793 said:
    Literally seeing mirage not even being scared of 4vs1 in WvW.

    Oh thats just being forced to fight the gank groups of thieves, holos and warriors.

    I mean what else could you do? Duel that 1 other enemy mesmer somewhere on the border?

    sure bro, only mesmer run around solo, the others are each and everyone in ganking groups
    poor poor honorable mesmer player

    No I'm sure you see 1-4 mesmers every time they gank you.

    I'm still curious about how many of each class that joins WvW, but alas I dont think Anet will ever show us the details.

    Dont look a gift Asura in the mouth.
    No seriously, dont. Shark teeth.

  • RedShark.9548RedShark.9548 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @RedShark.9548 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Scar.1793 said:
    Literally seeing mirage not even being scared of 4vs1 in WvW.

    Oh thats just being forced to fight the gank groups of thieves, holos and warriors.

    I mean what else could you do? Duel that 1 other enemy mesmer somewhere on the border?

    sure bro, only mesmer run around solo, the others are each and everyone in ganking groups
    poor poor honorable mesmer player

    No I'm sure you see 1-4 mesmers every time they gank you.

    I'm still curious about how many of each class that joins WvW, but alas I dont think Anet will ever show us the details.

    even that data wouldnt be helpful since the majority joins a blob, how would anet determine which of those classes are roaming

  • Scar.1793Scar.1793 Member ✭✭✭
    Mesmer

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Scar.1793 said:
    Literally seeing mirage not even being scared of 4vs1 in WvW.

    Oh thats just being forced to fight the gank groups of thieves, holos and warriors.

    I mean what else could you do? Duel that 1 other enemy mesmer somewhere on the border?

    If I can duel a mesmer I try to avoid the fight as much as possible as 99% of the time it ends up me being dead no matter how much effort you put. For other classes and even spellbreaker I do not do that because the outcome isn’t as clear and depends on more than just the class carrying the player.

  • Lorin.9564Lorin.9564 Member ✭✭
    Revenant

    take a look at https://snowcrows.com/benchmarks/ .... atm Renegade Condition is OP.

    Kind regards

  • Mesmers... GS Burst needs to be toned down.

  • DeadlySynz.3471DeadlySynz.3471 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Warrior

    @Jack Redline.5379 said:

    @Catchyfx.5768 said:

    Sure i trust you but maybe scourge just counter your build? I play Reaper And thieves,Rangers,holos,mesmers,warriors Are ultra hard to wincuz they counter me hard

    yea i understand. But as i said. For example even today. I as a thief got rekted by necro milion times and i just played 4 matches and then ppl would hate on me that i am a noob. Well i am not but the necro was freaking too powerfull

    Up until a warrior or mesmer decides to target you, then that "powerful" necro is dead in seconds

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