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  • Tasida.4085Tasida.4085 Member ✭✭✭

    @Mel.8734 said:

    @Tasida.4085 said:

    @Mel.8734 said:

    @Mike O Brien.4613 said:
    Recently two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players. Their attacks on the community were unacceptable. As a result, they’re no longer with the company.

    I want to be clear that the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all. As a company we always strive to have a collaborative relationship with the Guild Wars community. We value your input. We make this game for you.

    Mo

    Please also take a good look at this employe:
    https://i.imgur.com/vXbH8BN.png

    Uh huh just someone stirring the pot...AGAIN. This was back in March anyway and it seems everyone has been happily playing the game since then. Has it affected your personal game play in any way since then? NO.........ignore the posting and move on.

    3 months is hardly a long time ago. If it were 3 years ago I might be able to let it slide. But 3 months? no way.

    And just HOW does this affect you and playing GW2 now? It just looks like trolling trying to keep everything hostile and tore up.

    (NOBL) rocking GW's since 2005, still rocking Sorrow's Furnace :P

  • Doggie.3184Doggie.3184 Member ✭✭✭

    Rip .

  • salt.6759salt.6759 Member

    I'm pretty surprised Peter Fries got fired as well. He was polite during the whole exchange from what I saw. I wonder if they were looking for a reason to get rid of him anyway and this was just an excuse. Going forward I think the game devs will be much less open with the player base for fear of losing their jobs.

  • Tasida.4085Tasida.4085 Member ✭✭✭

    @Mel.8734 said:

    @Tasida.4085 said:

    @Mel.8734 said:

    @Tasida.4085 said:

    @Mel.8734 said:

    @Mike O Brien.4613 said:
    Recently two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players. Their attacks on the community were unacceptable. As a result, they’re no longer with the company.

    I want to be clear that the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all. As a company we always strive to have a collaborative relationship with the Guild Wars community. We value your input. We make this game for you.

    Mo

    Please also take a good look at this employe:
    https://i.imgur.com/vXbH8BN.png

    Uh huh just someone stirring the pot...AGAIN. This was back in March anyway and it seems everyone has been happily playing the game since then. Has it affected your personal game play in any way since then? NO.........ignore the posting and move on.

    3 months is hardly a long time ago. If it were 3 years ago I might be able to let it slide. But 3 months? no way.

    And just HOW does this affect you and playing GW2 now? It just looks like trolling trying to keep everything hostile and tore up.

    These people write the story for the game we love. If they are that ideologically biased it will have influence on the story narrative. I dont want biased bigots write the story for the games i love.

    Seriously????? LOL ok whatever just quit stirring up people with old stuff keeping the argument going for no reason. What's done is done and ANET served the justice they felt was needed. Let it go now and be one with the force.

    (NOBL) rocking GW's since 2005, still rocking Sorrow's Furnace :P

  • Thank-you. This has greatly mended any broken trust.

  • why.8760why.8760 Member ✭✭

    Not sure why anyone is surprised, from the beginning you will not find a company that expressly tells their customers they want as much feedback as possible at every turn, both in game and out, no matter the platform. We all know pretty much all of everyone that works at ANet's social media accounts, and they know that too.

  • Tasida.4085Tasida.4085 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2018

    @LucianDK.8615 said:

    @Blademaster.6123 said:
    Mo, You can't let the community get away with this. The community is just as guilty here, don't bend to their will.

    Well said, witch hunts are witch hunts.

    Right On!!! And it seems the hunt will now continue sadly (if others have their way). Hopefully they will close all the threads and lock them away before it gets carried away even more.

    (NOBL) rocking GW's since 2005, still rocking Sorrow's Furnace :P

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Blademaster.6123 said:
    Mo, You can't let the community get away with this. The community is just as guilty here, don't bend to their will.

    Then please point directly at the first person. I'm sure you'll gladly throw the first rock.

    You're questioning anets integrity as a whole. They would have lost a lot if they let this one slide. There is no excusing it.

    And I can say that while STILL not agreeing with the people going directly after her, saying she has a mental disorder, saying she is a disgraceful human being etc. Personal attacks don't belong in that type of discussion but they happen when you have SO MANY different people with different opinions, different moods, different outrage.

  • Tekoneiric.6817Tekoneiric.6817 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 6, 2018

    This wouldn't have happened if ANet employees were restricted to official forums when posting about Guild Wars and their posts had a chance to get reviewed before going live. I know many don't like this but companies have to be careful because one wrong move can destroy their business. If they were restricted an employee's bad day would never have escalated into the loss of their jobs and ANet loosing valuable employees.

  • Memoranda.9386Memoranda.9386 Member ✭✭✭

    @Balsa.3951 said:

    @Mike O Brien.4613 said:
    Recently two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players. Their attacks on the community were unacceptable. As a result, they’re no longer with the company.

    I want to be clear that the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all. As a company we always strive to have a collaborative relationship with the Guild Wars community. We value your input. We make this game for you.

    Mo

    Sad person looses job over a tweet... I just wonder how many people here would still have their jobs if that standard was applied to themselves.

    I'm sure this is only the beginning. Have seen a few threads already of people "bringing attention" to other alleged Devs. Some allegedly faked? Not entirely clear at this point.

  • OrbitalButt.5708OrbitalButt.5708 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2018

    @Tasida.4085 said:

    @LucianDK.8615 said:

    @Blademaster.6123 said:
    Mo, You can't let the community get away with this. The community is just as guilty here, don't bend to their will.

    Well said, witch hunts are witch hunts.

    Right On!!! And it seems the hunt will now continue sadly (if others have their way). Hopefully they will close all the threads and lock them away before it gets even more carried away.

    @Morg.5986 said:

    @Tasida.4085 said:
    Seriously????? LOL ok whatever just quit stirring up people with old stuff keeping the argument going for no reason. What's done is done and ANET served the justice they felt was needed. Let it go now and be one with the force.

    stares wearily Please go away.

  • Xenash.1245Xenash.1245 Member ✭✭

    @VCRwolfe.6452 said:
    i am not comfortable with the swift axing of peter fries either. from my perspective, it looks much more like an attempt at covering up liability as opposed to any actual addressing of jessica price's behavior. whereas jessica has had a short history with anet and a long history of aggression and rudeness to not just gw2 community members, but social media in general; peter has had such a long positive standing with the company AND community that it was shocking to see him fired along with her for what was minimal involvement compared to jessica.

    i do not agree with jessica's behavior, her rudeness towards others. however i do not agree with sweeping it under the rug without any sort of proper addressing, or even apology for her actions. i do not agree with peter being thrown in with her to be fired when he had not so much as even a handful of tweets interaction and involvement.

    and lastly i do not agree with the toxicity i am seeing from the community as well, the sheer viciousness im seeing from other players here is frankly appalling, as if this was some sort of gleeful anti-feminist witch hunt for them rather than dealing with one problematic employee. as someone who is a minority in many ways including race and gender, it makes me feel unsafe as a player of this game even more so than arenanet's decision to let go of JP and PF in response to JP's actions

    I also agree that the termination of Peter Fries was interesting to say the least from what we currently and probably ever will know.

    But I just felt like I had to say that if you want to convince members of this community about something wrong of their actions, that it might be best to frame it in a more tasteful manner. Saying that this incident has made you feel unsafe from being a minority in many ways isn't going to sit well with the players as it comes across as if many are needlessly hostile towards those of a different race/gender/etc. when they sincerely aren't. If anything this community as a whole is one of the most friendliest and more welcoming communities that I've seen out there when compared to almost every other online gaming environment, I'd even go so far to say that you're bound to find more unfriendly people on something like Hello Kitty Online compared to Guild Wars 2.

    WvW players are a different story though, but they have a reason to be really salty most of the time.

  • Cyrin.1035Cyrin.1035 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2018

    @zealex.9410 said:

    I dont believe Peter deserved to be fired because e tried to defend his co-worker. He didnt call names or anything and he engaged in discussion rather than going in a blocking spree.

    I suggest that his case is revisited.

    @morrolan.9608 said:

    Whilst I understand your position with Jessica Price I think Peter fries being sacked is rather ridiculous. He didn't 'attack' anyone he merely supported Jessica Price and rather mildly at that.

    @lkilian.1854 said:
    I understand JPrice getting fired. She was just disrespectful. But Peter Fries? Really?

    Yes, really.

    Peter could have been the one to help the situation more than anyone else. He also made a careless choice as JP did. He chose to take a side, support JP's response, and put down a player. I was hoping it could be rectified with an explanation and an apology from the two, but whether it was a difficult or expected decision, it ultimately became a necessary one.

    We've lost two good writers from the team, but this can lead to growth for the game and hopefully those two writers for the future.

  • Evolute.6239Evolute.6239 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2018

    @Balsa.3951 said:

    @Mike O Brien.4613 said:
    Recently two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players. Their attacks on the community were unacceptable. As a result, they’re no longer with the company.

    I want to be clear that the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all. As a company we always strive to have a collaborative relationship with the Guild Wars community. We value your input. We make this game for you.

    Mo

    Sad person looses job over a tweet... I just wonder how many people here would still have their jobs if that standard was applied to themselves.

    To be fair, if it was one tweet, it probably would not have led to this. This was a series of tweets and once Reddit "investigates" it you're going to be hella scrutinized.

    Many people have lost their jobs for saying stuff on social media, this is not a new concept. Jobs specifically have social media training courses and the like to prevent stuff like today.

    Today was the result of one dev going too far on Twitter one too many times against the wrong person and it getting blown to a level that could not be ignored. You can't blame the internet for that, there needs to be some personal responsibility there.

    Many games have CMs that have their own personal twitter accounts and there is no issue. It's only an issue if you don't know boundaries. She had the option to not reply, to not talk about work related things, to make it a personal only twitter, and a lot of other options. You don't get the option of taking a work-related topic (from a on-the-clock AMA) to Twitter, get negative feedback, saying whatever you want to the person, and then defending it as "it's my personal account".

  • @Xenash.1245 said:
    I also agree that the termination of Peter Fries was interesting to say the least from what we currently and probably ever will know.

    But I just felt like I had to say that if you want to convince members of this community about something wrong of their actions, that it might be best to frame it in a more tasteful manner. Saying that this incident has made you feel unsafe from being a minority in many ways isn't going to sit well with the players as it comes across as if many are needlessly hostile towards those of a different race/gender/etc. when they sincerely aren't. If anything this community as a whole is one of the most friendliest and more welcoming communities that I've seen out there when compared to almost every other online gaming environment, I'd even go so far to say that you're bound to find more unfriendly people on something like Hello Kitty Online compared to Guild Wars 2.

    WvW players are a different story though, but they have a reason to be really salty most of the time.

    oh trust me, ive played other games! while its great that this one has been the most welcoming ive seen in a long time, there is still the issue of those who are generally hateful to minorities. the gw2 community isnt free of them either and its something i can sadly attest to having played this game for a few years now. i am not saying this in any hostility, its simply the sad reality of gaming communities and the pushback experienced by minorities in them. even just looking at the subreddit has been super uncomfortable today, people decrying that social justice is ruining their game and they wont play it anymore when really, this issue is just about JP's sour behavior and not any sort of feminist agenda anet was pushing

  • No one can complain about having one less toxic person on the GW2 team, GG WP

  • Tasida.4085Tasida.4085 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 6, 2018

    There are many of us who will still be playing the game regardless of the witch hunts and old posts and hurt feelings etc. And speaking out against the hunts every time, until the silly hunters give up. I'm so glad I'm not a thin skinned person cos if I was i'd be crying into my pillow every night cos I get called bruh, bro, dude, boi at least 3x a day and many are guilty of using THOSE words (sexism according to forum followers) yet like other females choose to ignore it and play the game. ROFL GAME ON

    (NOBL) rocking GW's since 2005, still rocking Sorrow's Furnace :P

  • Tolmos.8395Tolmos.8395 Member ✭✭✭

    I'm sorry to hear that she was ultimately let go; I hope that this can be a positive learning experience for her to help her grow and flourish into a much more successful career down the road.

    It's unfortunate, but it puts a major strain on a company when employees publicly make hateful comments towards others based upon gender, race, nationality or religion. Please people: learn from this. If you ever feel the need to attack someone based on one of those attributes, don't do it. If not for the fact that it will make you a better person to not do it, then at least for the fact that you will probably put your career and future on the line by doing so. Be respectful in your replies and discussions, and accept that not everyone will agree with you. If you can do that, you'll go really far.

    I wish both of them the best, and I really hope that this is a turning point for her. Some of the things she said on her twitter were just horrible, but that doesn't mean that SHE is a horrible person who doesn't deserve a chance to change. She's worked at a great company, likely now has a strong resume, and this can be just a bump in the road to one day being the CEO of some big game company where she can teach the same lesson to the next generation.

    Sorry for your losses, ANet team.

  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭

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  • why.8760why.8760 Member ✭✭

    @will de grijze jager.6594 said:

    @Ephemiel.5694 said:

    @Mel.8734 said:

    @Mike O Brien.4613 said:
    Recently two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players. Their attacks on the community were unacceptable. As a result, they’re no longer with the company.

    I want to be clear that the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all. As a company we always strive to have a collaborative relationship with the Guild Wars community. We value your input. We make this game for you.

    Mo

    Please also take a good look at this employe:
    https://i.imgur.com/vXbH8BN.png

    Oh so there's MORE of these kinds of people in Anet's employment. Starting to think the company of full of them.

    You mean kitten types?

    please give me a break, they are and have always been located in seattle. You can easily follow the entire team on social media, it is really hard to pretend to say you don't know who and what they are and believe in. They are allowed their personal beliefs, and that should not matter and has no place in a fantasy game.

    There is a gigantic and massive difference between personal beliefs and attacking fans in a game that has a long standing tradition of always wanting the entire community to always give feedback, criticism, and interaction, both in game and out. The community has members that have added just as much to the game as actual Anet employees, because that is what Anet has wanted and that is the community they have cultivated from the very beginning of GW1. Has zero to do with beliefs and everything to do with actions.

  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I do not know if this was the final incident in a series of such where attempts to encourage improved behavior went ignored, or if this single incid3nt was considered sufficiently severe to merit termination. I had hoped that the parties involved would be given an opportunity to change the offending behavior without loss of livelihood. I do not wish unemployment on anyone in this day and age. Hopefully this all works out for the best for all involved.

    I hope that those who have moved on are able to self reflect and grow from the experience. Good luck to them. I hope that this is an opportunity for some new blood to have an impact on the game. Good luck to us all.

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