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  • cmpgamer.9628cmpgamer.9628 Member ✭✭

    @Blademaster.6123 said:
    Mo, You can't let the community get away with this. The community is just as guilty here, don't bend to their will.

    Too late now. She's fired and I bet she's not coming back.

  • Tolmos.8395Tolmos.8395 Member ✭✭✭

    @Word Eater.6541 said:

    @Mike O Brien.4613 said:
    Recently two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players. Their attacks on the community were unacceptable. As a result, they’re no longer with the company.

    I want to be clear that the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all. As a company we always strive to have a collaborative relationship with the Guild Wars community. We value your input. We make this game for you.

    Mo

    Can I give a thumbs down for yet another company that encourages employees to be open and honest and then punishes them for it? Send her to some training, kitten, but this basically blacklists her forever and ever. Good job proving her point, I guess.

    Truthfully, if she can learn from what happened here and be able to honestly tell an interviewer that she messed up and has realized she was wrong, I think she'll bounce back. She worked at Arenanet; regardless of individual gripes people may have, this is a huge company with one of the top rated AAA MMOs on the market. The experience and knowledge she gained there will be valuable for future employers. If I got her at the interview table, and she could look me in the eye and say "Yea, I screwed up. I was wrong, I see that now", I'd hire her in a heartbeat.

    Experience is valuable. Being a loose cannon and a danger to the corporate image devalues that experience, so if that is corrected then she'll be OK.

  • Cyrin.1035Cyrin.1035 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 6, 2018

    @Dengar.1785 said:
    I... Feel bad for Peter Fries. Did he deserve some sort of disciplinary measure? Sure. Did he deserve the same thing as Jessica Price? I don't think so.

    For that matter, my mind is in all sorts of places about the firing. I understand this was a really hard decision to make, and I accept that being let go is a logical consequence to JP's behavior. Still, something about this doesn't feel quite right.

    Peter had been there far longer than Jessica. He's a GW 2 vet and knows better. He knew the importance and consequence of his actions and he unfortunately made the wrong one. He could have tried to calm the conversation or steer it. Instead he just sided with JP's responses and consistently, over several posts, defended her responses. He should have helped Jessica by encouraging her to let it go and they would both still have their positions. In that way, he is just as responsible as JP and therefore deserved the same result.

  • style.6173style.6173 Member ✭✭

    Really impressed by the way MO handled this situation. That kind of hate towards the community was unacceptable. She needed to be fired. Also, it provides a lesson to others. Do not blindly support someone who is causing hate. You may believe you are defending a co-worker, but what you really are doing is defending hate. You deserve the same punishment.

    Also I hope the keyboard warriors in the game community can show some respect to the rest of the Anet employees. The game is coming up on 6 years and still going strong. They have a great product and are working to make it even better.

  • Erasculio.2914Erasculio.2914 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tolmos.8395 said:
    Truthfully, if she can learn from what happened here and be able to honestly tell an interviewer that she messed up and has realized she was wrong, I think she'll bounce back.

    I doubt that will happen, but there's another option for her: to be hired by someone who shares her beliefs, and who thinks the fact she was fired is one more sign of the damage the patriarchy fueled by cis privileged white men does to the world. You can already see people with a similar mindset in this topic, it's not unlikely that the former dev will find someone like that to hire her.

    Which is a pity, because then nothing will be learned from this whole thing.

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  • why.8760why.8760 Member ✭✭

    @will de grijze jager.6594 said:

    @why.8760 said:

    @will de grijze jager.6594 said:

    @Ephemiel.5694 said:

    @Mel.8734 said:

    @Mike O Brien.4613 said:
    Recently two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players. Their attacks on the community were unacceptable. As a result, they’re no longer with the company.

    I want to be clear that the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all. As a company we always strive to have a collaborative relationship with the Guild Wars community. We value your input. We make this game for you.

    Mo

    Please also take a good look at this employe:
    https://i.imgur.com/vXbH8BN.png

    Oh so there's MORE of these kinds of people in Anet's employment. Starting to think the company of full of them.

    You mean kitten types?

    please give me a break, they are and have always been located in seattle. You can easily follow the entire team on social media, it is really hard to pretend to say you don't know who and what they are and believe in. They are allowed their personal beliefs, and that should not matter and has no place in a fantasy game.

    There is a gigantic and massive difference between personal beliefs and attacking fans in a game that has a long standing tradition of always wanting the entire community to always give feedback, criticism, and interaction, both in game and out. The community has members that have added just as much to the game as actual Anet employees, because that is what Anet has wanted and that is the community they have cultivated from the very beginning of GW1. Has zero to do with beliefs and everything to do with actions.

    it is difference that you are left lening or s J W. Left is not bad if you don't go extrem. S J W are extrem. I respect everyone's opinion if they stay nice to each other. I look at how someone is not at there idea's, but S J W do only look at the idea's gender and so on.

    You can be pure evil in real life, but if you work for a company, believe in that company, and put that company's ideals first you can be a great employee. Politics should have nothing to do with it, and the fact Anet was able to separate this persons politics from their actions is a wonderful thing and a huge win for them. You cannot just group any everyone into any group, the real world never ever works that way. This situation is about actions, not politics.

  • Dengar.1785Dengar.1785 Member ✭✭✭

    @Cyrin.1035 said:

    @Dengar.1785 said:
    I... Feel bad for Peter Fries. Did he deserve some sort of disciplinary measure? Sure. Did he deserve the same thing as Jessica Price? I don't think so.

    For that matter, my mind is in all sorts of places about the firing. I understand this was a really hard decision to make, and I accept that being let go is a logical consequence to JP's behavior. Still, something about this doesn't feel quite right.

    Peter had been there far longer than Jessica. He's a GW 2 vet and knows better. He knew the importance and consequence of his actions and he unfortunately made the wrong one. He could have tried to calm the conversation or steer it. Instead he just sided with JP's responses and consistently, over several posts, defended her responses. He should have helped Jessica by encouraging her to let it go and they would both still have their positions. In that way, he is just as responsible as JP and therefore deserved the same result.

    You know, I can't say you're wrong here. Still, if we talk feelings, it just doesn't really feel right. It's hard to explain.

    Anyway, I think there are people on both sides of the argument who are having a bit of a misunderstanding.

    This isn't about JP's twitter past. This is about JP's twitter present. She engaged with an important member of the community as well as other community members, and was very rude to them. This isn't about sexism or racism or kitten or alt right or whatever. Her views aren't what matters. What matters is she made the mistake of displaying unacceptable behavior towards the people who pay her bills.

  • Palador.2170Palador.2170 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 6, 2018

    @Mike O Brien.4613 said:
    Recently two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players. Their attacks on the community were unacceptable. As a result, they’re no longer with the company.

    I want to be clear that the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all. As a company we always strive to have a collaborative relationship with the Guild Wars community. We value your input. We make this game for you.

    Mo

    I only just found out about this whole mess today, and action has already been taken. Thank you, Mr O Brien, for taking this seriously and addressing it so quickly.

    As for how they were punished? Well, I can't really say much about that. There's lots of twitter stuff I've not read yet, some of it isn't even there any more. And even if I knew all of that, that still doesn't tell me what was going on behind the closed doors of ANet itself. Were they both model employees? Were they both on the verge of being terminated anyway? I don't know. Not knowing, I'll have to trust in the judgement of those that did know, and the call they made.

    So, thank you again for taking this seriously and dealing with it in a prompt manner. I still feel uneasy about it all, but much less so now than I did when I first started to hear of it.

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  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Balsa.3951 said:

    @Mike O Brien.4613 said:
    Recently two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players. Their attacks on the community were unacceptable. As a result, they’re no longer with the company.

    I want to be clear that the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all. As a company we always strive to have a collaborative relationship with the Guild Wars community. We value your input. We make this game for you.

    Mo

    Sad person looses job over a tweet... I just wonder how many people here would still have their jobs if that standard was applied to themselves.

    To my knowledge that standard is being applied to a great number of people these days when they are employed.. specially those who's social media's are affiliated or directly linked to the companies they work for.. I believe it's called a Social media clause.

    Acting poorly online specially to those whom you've a professional connection to heavily damages your reputation and also makes your employer look very bad by association.
    Now don't get me wrong.. I am no fan of this concept either, I am completely for free speech regardless of how badly some people abuse it.. but this is a legitimate thing that does exist and I would strongly advise that everyone keep their home and work lives completely seperate, especially on their private social media accounts.

  • Thiazi.1250Thiazi.1250 Member ✭✭

    Thank you for being quick to take decisive action, Anet. It probably wasn't an easy decision, but I'm glad to see that you're willing to stick up for you players like this. I wish this could have been resolved without people having to leave the company (I appreciated Jessica's openness during the recent AMA), but I understand that sometimes there isn't a perfect solution.

    That said, please don't be discouraged from communicating with us in the future. I'm sure that most of the community understands this was an extreme outlier based largely on one person's repeated poor behavior, not the company's.

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LucianDK.8615 said:
    I do not defend her actions, but its the sheer disgusting behavior of the community that I stand against. Theres absolutely nothing to be proud of here, even if she deserved it.

    There ya go.. your agreeing with many others in this post, this community who also feel she deserved it. No one said anything about being proud of the actions taken, but good riddance to a bad egg is imo quite apt.
    Why do you feel that a community voicing their absolute disdain for JP over her inexcusable bad mouthing of players, disgusting behaviour???..

    At the end of the day people can disagree on pretty much anything, but people like JP prefer to take disagreement to a whole different level.
    She chose to use a personal account and opened the floor for critique, which she handled terabad.. ..when challenged with opposing views or offered opinion she played to form and went off on one ... it was JP that was demonstrating quite clearly what" utterly disgusting behaviour" looks like imo.

    As for PF.. I think it wouldn't do any harm for ANET to revisit this and maybe re-consider their action unless of course there are other things that we don't know about that swung the pendulum the way it did.

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  • why.8760why.8760 Member ✭✭

    @Antherios.4517 said:

    @Balsa.3951 said:

    @Mike O Brien.4613 said:
    Recently two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players. Their attacks on the community were unacceptable. As a result, they’re no longer with the company.

    I want to be clear that the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all. As a company we always strive to have a collaborative relationship with the Guild Wars community. We value your input. We make this game for you.

    Mo

    Sad person looses job over a tweet... I just wonder how many people here would still have their jobs if that standard was applied to themselves.

    I work for one of the big companies in tech. But you don't see that in my forum signature, twitter profile or anywhere else.
    She had "Arenanet Story Developer" on her twitter profile and was constantly talking about her work on it. Which is fine, unless you also use it to vent your personal views and rant against people.

    Work profiles and personal profiles should not mix.

    This is so true. I don't get why people have to show who they work for, unless part of their work description is being on social media. I'm on a bunch of different social media, good luck figuring out where I work. This should be ingrained at every corporate orientation at every company world wide.

  • Cronos.6532Cronos.6532 Member ✭✭✭

    Now I'm not so disappointed with this release. Gonna make Verdarach in MO's honour.

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  • @Mike O Brien.4613 said:
    Recently two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players. Their attacks on the community were unacceptable. As a result, they’re no longer with the company.

    I want to be clear that the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all. As a company we always strive to have a collaborative relationship with the Guild Wars community. We value your input. We make this game for you.

    Mo

    Thank you, I am not going to name the employees in question but thank you so much for valuing us. As a human being, I know all to well that it sucks to not have a job and a steady income to make ends meet, but at the same time it's not acceptable to be rude to others and with things now a days. It's a wonderful sight to see a company actually favor and treasure their customers and community rather then...You know.

    Wish some companies would follow the example you have set, Mike. I won't name said companies but just know this, We appreciate the justice you have served and grateful that you actually care for us, the community as a whole. From the bottom of my heart, Thank you and you have my respect. I always have recommend Guild Wars 2 to friends who never played it, and I shall continue to do so. Especially after this, this is a good example for all business's to follow!

    -Dessi

  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 6, 2018

    @Balsa.3951 said:

    @Mike O Brien.4613 said:
    Recently two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players. Their attacks on the community were unacceptable. As a result, they’re no longer with the company.

    I want to be clear that the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all. As a company we always strive to have a collaborative relationship with the Guild Wars community. We value your input. We make this game for you.

    Mo

    Sad person looses job over a tweet... I just wonder how many people here would still have their jobs if that standard was applied to themselves.

    Words and actions outside of the context of your job do matter in real life -- this is evident in many ways.

    The trick is to keep your "less than pleasant" words and actions in the private sphere, not a public venue like Twitter. Her account was visible to everyone, and directly tied her with ArenaNet. It was the equivalent of shouting racist ideologies in a crowded street. Somebody's likely going to notice and get you in trouble.

    Should we take joy or glee in them getting fired? Absolutely not, I wish that on nobody. But in this case, it's not surprising and is one of the potentially valid responses to this incident.

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  • A very unexpected decision, but a decisive one that puts the community first. Thank you for making hard decisions Mo

    I design medical software for a living, a bit different from narrative design, but I believe design principles apply across the board. One must be married to the customer's problems. If I ever told a hospital that I don't need their feedback because they haven't ever designed medical software before I would look like an utter fool. The customer has more insight into what their needs are than anyone else, whether those needs are more diverse dialogue options or a way to run numbers from their databases without having to deal with SQL. My job is to figure out a solution that works for the broadest swath of customers and I can only do that by speaking with those customers, iterating on prototypes, and usability testing. You could of course do iterative narratives to see what, out of a sample size makes people the most satisfied, but I'm sure that gets super weird and it could potentially ignore whatever ANet's vision for the story is.

    I don't have my place of work posted in my social media feed, nor would I ever engage my customers outside of work, but the amount of times I deal with complaints meant for another development team, criticism about how a workflow isn't what a certain customer does, or just inane unrelated things is basically every time I meet with a customer.

    I don't know what narrative design is like, and I'm no story teller, but empathy is a key ingredient in being a good designer. Technical stuff doesn't matter if you can't hear what your customer's needs are. You're one part customer service and one part developer as near as I can tell.

  • Dreadshow.9320Dreadshow.9320 Member ✭✭✭

    @ReV.6097 said:
    If only Disney and Lucas Film had ANets guts and foresight.

    Disney did in one occasion, unfortunately Disney being Disney the matter I'm referring to cost a whole studio to loose their jobs and a game to be shutdown prematurely RIP Marvel Heroes.

  • Just wanted to come on to say I'm happy for the very swift and quick action to remove such toxicity from a work environment and help the playerbase. I'll get Path of Fire for that!

  • Azrielvon.7836Azrielvon.7836 Member ✭✭✭

    While I believe many applaud Anet's movement, I feel that firing Fries might be overboard. I mean, the only crime he kinda did was to White Knight. Maybe a warning would have suffice. I disagree with what he did but I still choked up when I heard that he is gone as well..

  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Actually, I'm disappointed in ArenaNet...and the vast majority of the GW community as well...this is 2018, we all need to move into the now and start learning to separate a persons freedom of speech on PERSONAL social media from what they say on BUSINESS related social media. This actually extends beyond social media and includes sports personal conduct clauses...what you or anyone does on their own PERSONAL time does not reflect on how well they perform a job. I'm going to be quite unpopular with the following, but all of this really started with the Ray Rice thing(look it up if you don't know about that) and the NFL. Now, before you think I condone any type of abuse against another person you'd be so far from the truth it would make me laugh, but having said that, even though what he did to his girlfriend in an elevator during the off-season was atrocious, I do not think it was anyone's business but his and hers alone. If you're going to hold someone else up as a role model, society has a serious issue, the only role models should be your parents(if you have them of course).

    The only way society is going to advance is this way: what you do at work or while representing your employer is directly related to that employer; what you do or say on your own PERSONAL time has nothing to do with your employer and until the rest of the world learns this we're all screwed(that even includes if you reference your employer on your own PERSONAL social media handles). I DO NOT CARE what someone does on their own time, nor should anyone else but that person, even the employer should not care what that person does on their own PERSONAL time, but we as a society have forgotten how to separate work from personal time...that is what work hours are for, so those people unable to tell the difference can.

    Wake up world, this is 2018, not 1984 or 1950 or anyone other year...time to evolve or die out.

    Yes...no...maybe...what do you want, can't you see I'm busy saving the world...AGAIN!

  • edited July 6, 2018

    While I do dislike people loosing jobs over, well, speech. And It seems to me that this is the best decision ANet could have come to. I'll come back to the game after a while because of this. And if I manage to get some spare cash, ANet, it all yours. Saved some money avoiding a lot of other entertainment anyway. I'm (not)looking at you Star Wars.

  • @will de grijze jager.6594 said:

    @Ephemiel.5694 said:

    @Mel.8734 said:

    @Mike O Brien.4613 said:
    Recently two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players. Their attacks on the community were unacceptable. As a result, they’re no longer with the company.

    I want to be clear that the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all. As a company we always strive to have a collaborative relationship with the Guild Wars community. We value your input. We make this game for you.

    Mo

    Please also take a good look at this employe:
    https://i.imgur.com/vXbH8BN.png

    Oh so there's MORE of these kinds of people in Anet's employment. Starting to think the company of full of them.

    You mean kitten types?

    Kitten types? What would those be?

  • kmdziak.1076kmdziak.1076 Member ✭✭
    edited July 6, 2018

    @Zaklex.6308 said:
    Actually, I'm disappointed in ArenaNet...and the vast majority of the GW community as well...this is 2018, we all need to move into the now and start learning to separate a persons freedom of speech on PERSONAL social media from what they say on BUSINESS related social media. This actually extends beyond social media and includes sports personal conduct clauses...what you or anyone does on their own PERSONAL time does not reflect on how well they perform a job. I'm going to be quite unpopular with the following, but all of this really started with the Ray Rice thing(look it up if you don't know about that) and the NFL. Now, before you think I condone any type of abuse against another person you'd be so far from the truth it would make me laugh, but having said that, even though what he did to his girlfriend in an elevator during the off-season was atrocious, I do not think it was anyone's business but his and hers alone. If you're going to hold someone else up as a role model, society has a serious issue, the only role models should be your parents(if you have them of course).

    The only way society is going to advance is this way: what you do at work or while representing your employer is directly related to that employer; what you do or say on your own PERSONAL time has nothing to do with your employer and until the rest of the world learns this we're all screwed(that even includes if you reference your employer on your own PERSONAL social media handles). I DO NOT CARE what someone does on their own time, nor should anyone else but that person, even the employer should not care what that person does on their own PERSONAL time, but we as a society have forgotten how to separate work from personal time...that is what work hours are for, so those people unable to tell the difference can.

    Wake up world, this is 2018, not 1984 or 1950 or anyone other year...time to evolve or die out.

    Do u even realize what the problem was about ? because from what u've just wrote, it seems like u have no idea. She publicly bashed a CUSTOMER of the company she works for while talking about a topic regarding this game, she disregarded the feedback of the customer, something a developer should never do, because her job is to create a product that people will want to buy, what she did showed that she doesn't give a kitten about your/mine or any other customer's feedback, it doesn't matter if she did that in her PERSONAL time, off work, because the topic involved her job she was at that moment representing the company.

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @why.8760 said:

    @LucianDK.8615 said:

    @Bloodstealer.5978 said:

    @LucianDK.8615 said:
    I do not defend her actions, but its the sheer disgusting behavior of the community that I stand against. Theres absolutely nothing to be proud of here, even if she deserved it.

    There ya go.. your agreeing with many others in this post, this community who also feel she deserved it. No one said anything about being proud of the actions taken, but good riddance to a bad egg is imo quite apt.
    Why do you feel that a community voicing their absolute disdain for JP over her inexcusable bad mouthing of players, disgusting behaviour???..

    At the end of the day people can disagree on pretty much anything, but people like JP prefer to take disagreement to a whole different level.
    She chose to use a personal account and opened the floor for critique, which she handled terabad.. ..when challenged with opposing views or offered opinion she played to form and went off on one ... it was JP that was demonstrating quite clearly what" utterly disgusting behaviour" looks like imo.

    As for PF.. I think it wouldn't do any harm for ANET to revisit this and maybe re-consider their action unless of course there are other things that we don't know about that swung the pendulum the way it did.

    The community went way over the rails in witch hunting and baying for blood. That is what i find utterly deplorable. Plenty of angsty edgelord coments that is disgusting to read.

    I'm sorry but that is just false. The community reacted exactly like it should have. An employee of Anet attacked a community member that has added a ton for absolutely no reason. Anet has always asked the entire community to opine,interact, criticise, discuss on every platform, everywhere, all the time, in game and out. You cannot tell a community you will always be open to them then allow an employee to insult and degrade.

    Call it what you want, nothing was presented as reasonable discourse with a very large amount of spammed threads to clog the forum. Plenty of posters declared for throwing anet under the bus and comming up with all sorts of ridiculous things such as asking if they were racist or had a whole culture of it. Simply unable to wait for a response from Anet on the matter.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arsalan.5240 said:

    @Teratus.2859 said:

    @Mel.8734 said:

    @Tasida.4085 said:

    @Mel.8734 said:

    @Mike O Brien.4613 said:
    Recently two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players. Their attacks on the community were unacceptable. As a result, they’re no longer with the company.

    I want to be clear that the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all. As a company we always strive to have a collaborative relationship with the Guild Wars community. We value your input. We make this game for you.

    Mo

    Please also take a good look at this employe:
    https://i.imgur.com/vXbH8BN.png

    Uh huh just someone stirring the pot...AGAIN. This was back in March anyway and it seems everyone has been happily playing the game since then. Has it affected your personal game play in any way since then? NO.........ignore the posting and move on.

    3 months is hardly a long time ago. If it were 3 years ago I might be able to let it slide. But 3 months? no way.

    First time i've even seen that.. wow... just wow.

    What that part leaves out is the context as to who he was talking to. He was replying to a guy attacking Anet's female devs for being, well, female devs.

    Yes that could very well be the case, I can't personally say for sure though since I have not seen that information, and that's exactly why I could neither defend or condone Peter's firing either.
    Bandwagons are not a good thing to jump on.. specially when you don't have access to the whole picture which is why I simply said.. wow... just wow.

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