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  • @Zaklex.6308 said:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:

    @Zaklex.6308 said:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:
    Did you know that I'm the reason why combo fields are color coded? It's true. I mean, I didn't personally program each of the combo fields, but it was a suggestion of mine. Back in the old forums I had a thread titled "Do what now? Or, why I'm no good at this game," and in it I talked about the absence of teaching tools for a complicated combat system. Particularly in contrast to other MMOs. I suspect that I'm directly responsible for a lot of things because of this, such as the dodge tutorials in low level zones, but color coded combo fields were one of the things I directly suggested and it is an idea that appeared nowhere else. On other issues, sometimes it might be an internal idea that I just happen to touch on, or maybe it is a popular complaint and I just haven't seen it anywhere else. But, those pretty little circles are mine.

    You're probably wondering what this has to do with anything. Here's the issue: if we directly take the line of thinking proposed by others here to say that Deroir has committed some kind of social sin in his tweets, and extend it logically to all similar circumstances, then we conclude that my suggestion for color coded combo rings was also some kind of social sin. Me, a non-professional, told seasoned professionals (many of whom are women) how to do their job unsolicited in a matter that is far more authoritarian than Deroir did. Not only that, but I've done it at least half a dozen times, making elaborate lists of problems and often having no real solutions due to a lack of creativity on my part.

    Never trust anyone who tells you not to think. When somebody says "Don't tell me how to do my job", what they are really saying is

    "You are not allowed to think about my work.
    "You are not allowed to discuss the philosophy of the work.
    "You are not allowed to make suggestions.
    "You are not allowed to criticize or attempt to criticize my work.
    "You are not allowed to tell me what you would like to see or would like to buy.
    "You are not allowed to question my decisions, even if they don't make sense to you.
    "You are not allowed to discuss my professionalism or behaviors.
    "If you have a concern for the game, for myself, or for yourself, you are not allowed to voice them or even have them."

    Which is all obviously very silly. The conclusion is that telling somebody how to do their job is a good thing because doing so produces good things. If you want to argue the contrary, then excuse me while I thump my bible here: (S)He who has never sinned may cast the first stone. Can you honestly say that you've never voiced an unsolicited suggestion or concern or criticism regarding class balance? Regarding allocation of development resources? Regarding game difficulty? Regarding WvW structuring? Regarding the economy? For any game you've ever played? For any media you consume? For every any transaction or exchange? And if not, have these unsolicited suggestions or concerns or criticisms never produced a good outcome? The idea is truly silly.

    It is obvious that Deroir did nothing wrong. There needs to exist some grand evidence to prove the contrary, and that evidence does not exist.

    Can I honestly say that I've NEVER voiced an UNSOLICITED suggestion or criticism...100% unequivocally YES. I've never, ever offered an UNSOLICITED suggestion for anything that did not have to do with the job I perform...why, because I don't know a kitten thing about the job. I have offered suggestions and criticism when it's been asked for, but I refuse to offer UNSOLICITED suggestions or criticisms, that's the easiest way to get yourself beat up(figuratively speaking of course) or dumped on. Even when I was a member of the Alpha team way back in the first couple of years I never offered UNSOLICITED suggestions, nor did I criticize anything...not until it was asked for did was that information put forth, but I did keep notes on what I might say when it was asked for. As far as I know none of my suggestions or criticisms have ever resulted in anything, so it's not silly to say that they produced a good outcome, because they produced no outcome. Also, I don't think responding to someone else's suggestion or criticism falls in the same category as it's usually stating why it might or might not work, or it might offer an alternative to the original suggestion(which I'm usually suggesting to the OP and not to whomever it's directed at). I think it's silly to suggest we might know more than the devs...we don't have the metrics or the numbers behind the metrics they do...which is a hell of a lot more important that feelings or other reasons.

    P.S. - I still don't see why we needed the combo fields color coded, it's not like you weren't told about them...but then I mostly play ranger so I guess it was easier for me to just figure them out(which is almost how I learn all things, I just figure them out on my own).

    Here's a thread of you doing exactly what you claim to not to.

    Perhaps I should have posted that in the bugs forum as a bug and not as a suggestion...since we've been asked in the past to let them know about invisible walls and such(which doesn't specifically make that an unsolicited suggestion now, does it?), but then that's a matter of semantics...and nothing came of it anyways, so I'm half correct in saying nothing has ever come of such a suggestion.

    Oh blah. That thread wasn't about a bug, since it is working as intended and you know it. Stop moving the goalposts and just admit that voicing thoughts is a natural and constructive part of being human. I can dig into your posting history and come up with example after example of unsolicited criticisms or opinions, given both to the game at large and to other players and ideas. If you know that someone is doing something wrong, it is a great disrespect to refuse to say anything.

    Countless ideas have been put into the game from player suggestion: A tier of gear higher than exotic, raids, mounts, repeatable hearts, dodge tutorial, colored combo rings, an indicator for condition duration in buildcraft, open roof cages during queen's gauntlet, open API to allow for non-cheating addons, countless rebalances in PVP and PVE, the entire Deadeye specialization, VO lines for the commander during new story instances, and many, many others. The fact that unsolicited suggestions and ideas and criticisms produce good things is substantial.


    @The Knight of Hope.8023 said:
    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 I mean, it also bears pointing out that one need not solicit responses in a public conversation on Twitter. There is no such thing as permission to respond when someone puts themselves out in front of the public that way. The only reason why anybody would claim that this is a thing is because there was nothing rude or unkind about what was actually said by the gentleman who chose to respond. It's telling that what was actually said in that conversation is still not being quoted at all in reference to the idea that this person was being rude or uncalled for.

    That should go without saying. If there's a message in a public area and a "reply" button underneath, it is a given that people may reply in however they want (so long as it doesn't break community guidelines). Heck, in higher academics, classes quit being a teaching experience as much as it is a cooperative experience. All of my math and science professors are happy when I speak up in class, even if it is to correct their mistakes. The only people anyone wants to "sit down and shut up" are unruly children, and soldiers.

    The whole "you can't tell me what to do" thing... it's pure ego.

    "Self awareness is knowing when you're sitting at the throne of ignorance." --Leo G.

  • The Knight of Hope.8023The Knight of Hope.8023 Member ✭✭
    edited July 19, 2018

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 That's a really good point that I considered pointing out; It's been my experience that people in highly technical fields like technology or mathematics actually LOVE to discuss what they do with laymen and students, specifically because they chose those fields out of a fascination with the subject matter. If someone isn't eager to discuss something they're highly interested in or help someone with a polite misunderstanding they might have about it, that's definitely a reflection upon their motivations. If someone doesn't volunteer the source of their disaffection like the former ArenaNET employee did in this instance, it's usually helpful at that point to apply Nietzsche's postulate in order to infer what that might be.

  • Klypto.1703Klypto.1703 Member ✭✭✭

    The guy this all started with he crossed the line in multiple ways because first that was the platform to discuss anything with the company first off. Then vaguely insulting (you can read between the lines and tell the intent was to insult her) the person causing employee #2 to come back her up explaining yet again he needed to get off her lawn. So in the end firing them for standing their ground with this person should be commended not result in them losing their job. Since now the leadership of anet has told would be persons they can go after their employees to get whatever they are after now. So if they still want to work there they should have their jobs back and let it be known going after your employees is not acceptable under any circumstance. Plus if you think about this in the real world it means if you tell some random person who follows you to your home and tell them to kitten off and get off your lawn that you can be fired for it.

  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:

    @Zaklex.6308 said:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:

    @Zaklex.6308 said:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:
    Did you know that I'm the reason why combo fields are color coded? It's true. I mean, I didn't personally program each of the combo fields, but it was a suggestion of mine. Back in the old forums I had a thread titled "Do what now? Or, why I'm no good at this game," and in it I talked about the absence of teaching tools for a complicated combat system. Particularly in contrast to other MMOs. I suspect that I'm directly responsible for a lot of things because of this, such as the dodge tutorials in low level zones, but color coded combo fields were one of the things I directly suggested and it is an idea that appeared nowhere else. On other issues, sometimes it might be an internal idea that I just happen to touch on, or maybe it is a popular complaint and I just haven't seen it anywhere else. But, those pretty little circles are mine.

    You're probably wondering what this has to do with anything. Here's the issue: if we directly take the line of thinking proposed by others here to say that Deroir has committed some kind of social sin in his tweets, and extend it logically to all similar circumstances, then we conclude that my suggestion for color coded combo rings was also some kind of social sin. Me, a non-professional, told seasoned professionals (many of whom are women) how to do their job unsolicited in a matter that is far more authoritarian than Deroir did. Not only that, but I've done it at least half a dozen times, making elaborate lists of problems and often having no real solutions due to a lack of creativity on my part.

    Never trust anyone who tells you not to think. When somebody says "Don't tell me how to do my job", what they are really saying is

    "You are not allowed to think about my work.
    "You are not allowed to discuss the philosophy of the work.
    "You are not allowed to make suggestions.
    "You are not allowed to criticize or attempt to criticize my work.
    "You are not allowed to tell me what you would like to see or would like to buy.
    "You are not allowed to question my decisions, even if they don't make sense to you.
    "You are not allowed to discuss my professionalism or behaviors.
    "If you have a concern for the game, for myself, or for yourself, you are not allowed to voice them or even have them."

    Which is all obviously very silly. The conclusion is that telling somebody how to do their job is a good thing because doing so produces good things. If you want to argue the contrary, then excuse me while I thump my bible here: (S)He who has never sinned may cast the first stone. Can you honestly say that you've never voiced an unsolicited suggestion or concern or criticism regarding class balance? Regarding allocation of development resources? Regarding game difficulty? Regarding WvW structuring? Regarding the economy? For any game you've ever played? For any media you consume? For every any transaction or exchange? And if not, have these unsolicited suggestions or concerns or criticisms never produced a good outcome? The idea is truly silly.

    It is obvious that Deroir did nothing wrong. There needs to exist some grand evidence to prove the contrary, and that evidence does not exist.

    Can I honestly say that I've NEVER voiced an UNSOLICITED suggestion or criticism...100% unequivocally YES. I've never, ever offered an UNSOLICITED suggestion for anything that did not have to do with the job I perform...why, because I don't know a kitten thing about the job. I have offered suggestions and criticism when it's been asked for, but I refuse to offer UNSOLICITED suggestions or criticisms, that's the easiest way to get yourself beat up(figuratively speaking of course) or dumped on. Even when I was a member of the Alpha team way back in the first couple of years I never offered UNSOLICITED suggestions, nor did I criticize anything...not until it was asked for did was that information put forth, but I did keep notes on what I might say when it was asked for. As far as I know none of my suggestions or criticisms have ever resulted in anything, so it's not silly to say that they produced a good outcome, because they produced no outcome. Also, I don't think responding to someone else's suggestion or criticism falls in the same category as it's usually stating why it might or might not work, or it might offer an alternative to the original suggestion(which I'm usually suggesting to the OP and not to whomever it's directed at). I think it's silly to suggest we might know more than the devs...we don't have the metrics or the numbers behind the metrics they do...which is a hell of a lot more important that feelings or other reasons.

    P.S. - I still don't see why we needed the combo fields color coded, it's not like you weren't told about them...but then I mostly play ranger so I guess it was easier for me to just figure them out(which is almost how I learn all things, I just figure them out on my own).

    Here's a thread of you doing exactly what you claim to not to.

    Perhaps I should have posted that in the bugs forum as a bug and not as a suggestion...since we've been asked in the past to let them know about invisible walls and such(which doesn't specifically make that an unsolicited suggestion now, does it?), but then that's a matter of semantics...and nothing came of it anyways, so I'm half correct in saying nothing has ever come of such a suggestion.

    Oh blah. That thread wasn't about a bug, since it is working as intended and you know it. Stop moving the goalposts and just admit that voicing thoughts is a natural and constructive part of being human. I can dig into your posting history and come up with example after example of unsolicited criticisms or opinions, given both to the game at large and to other players and ideas. If you know that someone is doing something wrong, it is a great disrespect to refuse to say anything.

    Countless ideas have been put into the game from player suggestion: A tier of gear higher than exotic, raids, mounts, repeatable hearts, dodge tutorial, colored combo rings, an indicator for condition duration in buildcraft, open roof cages during queen's gauntlet, open API to allow for non-cheating addons, countless rebalances in PVP and PVE, the entire Deadeye specialization, VO lines for the commander during new story instances, and many, many others. The fact that unsolicited suggestions and ideas and criticisms produce good things is substantial.

    ~snip~

    It's not moving goalposts, it's a matter of semantics...and I do not know for sure that the area I was in was working as intended, especially since it wasn't all that difficult to get up there...and only have the one way up and down yet I could literally fly/move around the entire plateau, just couldn't get off of except in the one location where I got up on it. I'm also going to repeat something I said the first time, which covers your suggestion about searching my post history and saying you can find posts in others threads(which you can, because): "Also, I don't think responding to someone else's suggestion or criticism falls in the same category as it's usually stating why it might or might not work, or it might offer an alternative to the original suggestion(which I'm usually suggesting to the OP and not to whomever it's directed at). "

    Yes...no...maybe...what do you want, can't you see I'm busy saving the world...AGAIN!

  • @Klypto.1703 Why do you have to read between the lines? Have you considered that you might be incorrect about that? It so happens that this gentleman was a huge fan of the former employee he was responding to. There's an earlier video of him gushing about how much he enjoyed her work and her AMA. The reality is, even if he had been being rude, it is improper to lash out and viciously libel someone as being hateful simply because you found something they said to you uncomfortable or unkind. No company on Earth wants to be represented in public by someone who publishes malicious responses to their customers and partners on social media. What ArenaNET did was well within their rights and ethical to boot.

  • Deihnyx.6318Deihnyx.6318 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 19, 2018

    @Klypto.1703 said:
    you can read between the lines and tell the intent was to insult her.

    That's not what I read. Sorry...
    Guilty until proven innocent is so 2018.

  • Deihnyx.6318Deihnyx.6318 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 19, 2018

    @Zaklex.6308 said:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:
    Did you know that I'm the reason why combo fields are color coded? It's true. I mean, I didn't personally program each of the combo fields, but it was a suggestion of mine. Back in the old forums I had a thread titled "Do what now? Or, why I'm no good at this game," and in it I talked about the absence of teaching tools for a complicated combat system. Particularly in contrast to other MMOs. I suspect that I'm directly responsible for a lot of things because of this, such as the dodge tutorials in low level zones, but color coded combo fields were one of the things I directly suggested and it is an idea that appeared nowhere else. On other issues, sometimes it might be an internal idea that I just happen to touch on, or maybe it is a popular complaint and I just haven't seen it anywhere else. But, those pretty little circles are mine.

    You're probably wondering what this has to do with anything. Here's the issue: if we directly take the line of thinking proposed by others here to say that Deroir has committed some kind of social sin in his tweets, and extend it logically to all similar circumstances, then we conclude that my suggestion for color coded combo rings was also some kind of social sin. Me, a non-professional, told seasoned professionals (many of whom are women) how to do their job unsolicited in a matter that is far more authoritarian than Deroir did. Not only that, but I've done it at least half a dozen times, making elaborate lists of problems and often having no real solutions due to a lack of creativity on my part.

    Never trust anyone who tells you not to think. When somebody says "Don't tell me how to do my job", what they are really saying is

    "You are not allowed to think about my work.
    "You are not allowed to discuss the philosophy of the work.
    "You are not allowed to make suggestions.
    "You are not allowed to criticize or attempt to criticize my work.
    "You are not allowed to tell me what you would like to see or would like to buy.
    "You are not allowed to question my decisions, even if they don't make sense to you.
    "You are not allowed to discuss my professionalism or behaviors.
    "If you have a concern for the game, for myself, or for yourself, you are not allowed to voice them or even have them."

    Which is all obviously very silly. The conclusion is that telling somebody how to do their job is a good thing because doing so produces good things. If you want to argue the contrary, then excuse me while I thump my bible here: (S)He who has never sinned may cast the first stone. Can you honestly say that you've never voiced an unsolicited suggestion or concern or criticism regarding class balance? Regarding allocation of development resources? Regarding game difficulty? Regarding WvW structuring? Regarding the economy? For any game you've ever played? For any media you consume? For every any transaction or exchange? And if not, have these unsolicited suggestions or concerns or criticisms never produced a good outcome? The idea is truly silly.

    It is obvious that Deroir did nothing wrong. There needs to exist some grand evidence to prove the contrary, and that evidence does not exist.

    Can I honestly say that I've NEVER voiced an UNSOLICITED suggestion or criticism...100% unequivocally YES. I've never, ever offered an UNSOLICITED suggestion for anything that did not have to do with the job I perform...why, because I don't know a kitten thing about the job. I have offered suggestions and criticism when it's been asked for, but I refuse to offer UNSOLICITED suggestions or criticisms, that's the easiest way to get yourself beat up(figuratively speaking of course) or dumped on. Even when I was a member of the Alpha team way back in the first couple of years I never offered UNSOLICITED suggestions, nor did I criticize anything...not until it was asked for did was that information put forth, but I did keep notes on what I might say when it was asked for. As far as I know none of my suggestions or criticisms have ever resulted in anything, so it's not silly to say that they produced a good outcome, because they produced no outcome. Also, I don't think responding to someone else's suggestion or criticism falls in the same category as it's usually stating why it might or might not work, or it might offer an alternative to the original suggestion(which I'm usually suggesting to the OP and not to whomever it's directed at). I think it's silly to suggest we might know more than the devs...we don't have the metrics or the numbers behind the metrics they do...which is a hell of a lot more important that feelings or other reasons.

    P.S. - I still don't see why we needed the combo fields color coded, it's not like you weren't told about them...but then I mostly play ranger so I guess it was easier for me to just figure them out(which is almost how I learn all things, I just figure them out on my own).

    Well first, the guy knew something about the job, albeit not having the same level of experience. But it doesn't matter. As a SSE I question my architect all the time. It is -healthy- to do so. Always bring some fresh ideas on the table. Bringing ideas doesn't mean you're right at all.
    And if the ideas are stupid? Who cares! Brainstorming is never a bad thing .It's 101 software development. I completely disagree with Deroir's argument, I think it's unreasonable for many obvious reasons to do branching in GW2, but every once in a while it doesn't hurt to hear other's ideas.
    And now for a 101 business: Never insult your clients, which is what it comes back to when all the attempts to deviate the problem are gone, it is the one reason why ArenaNet did something. It's sad that it had to turn into a political issue. Enjoy the opportunism.

  • @Deihnyx.6318 I find it pretty shocking nobody even points out what she said to libel him. She accused him of being up to no good based on the fact that he was male. How is that getting swept completely under the rug here?

  • Loli Ruri.8307Loli Ruri.8307 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 19, 2018

    @Klypto.1703 said:
    The guy this all started with he crossed the line in multiple ways because first that was the platform to discuss anything with the company first off. Then vaguely insulting (you can read between the lines and tell the intent was to insult her) the person causing employee #2 to come back her up explaining yet again he needed to get off her lawn. So in the end firing them for standing their ground with this person should be commended not result in them losing their job. Since now the leadership of anet has told would be persons they can go after their employees to get whatever they are after now. So if they still want to work there they should have their jobs back and let it be known going after your employees is not acceptable under any circumstance. Plus if you think about this in the real world it means if you tell some random person who follows you to your home and tell them to kitten off and get off your lawn that you can be fired for it.

    Not our decision.
    But some people would like to fool us into thinking it is our decision. July 4th was a holiday, she and he was fired July 5th morning first thing. So even if we try and say our opinions on what a successful company should or should not do, it's not our decision. We don't live in a Communist state, so we cannot make companies employ people who don't give a kitten about hurting the company and it's customers. You can think you're right all day long. But think about this:

    Say your mother is treating you badly, because whatever reason. If you were to respond in a negative manner, even if you feel it's a just reason, you're still being rude, and people would side with your mom in most cases. It does not matter what you actually said, the action is a big fat NO.. If your mom is boss, you can be disciplined. Don't like it? Then move out.

    Sure there are unfair dismissal laws, at least here in Australia I know of them. But it's not like a boss can't fire you for things you actually did. The thing that makes me so sad these days, is how I know men and women can have reason and accountability, but it's more common nowadays for people who are entitled to lack reason and accountability. Everybody else understands the real world.

    Get woke, go broke.

  • Deihnyx.6318Deihnyx.6318 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 19, 2018

    @The Knight of Hope.8023 said:
    @Deihnyx.6318 I find it pretty shocking nobody even points out what she said to libel him. She accused him of being up to no good based on the fact that he was male. How is that getting swept completely under the rug here?

    Yep, it is obvious double standard, as perfectly demonstrated there:
    On https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/9/17549492/arenanet-jessica-price-guild-wars-2-writer-fired she said
    “Let’s be clear: In 2018, it’s absurd to pretend ignorance of what would happen to a woman fired for speaking about sexism, because he feels she got too uppity,”

    It's all political for those defending Jessica Price, whereas for Anet, this was a rational, business decision.

  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 19, 2018

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Zaklex.6308 said:

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:
    Did you know that I'm the reason why combo fields are color coded? It's true. I mean, I didn't personally program each of the combo fields, but it was a suggestion of mine. Back in the old forums I had a thread titled "Do what now? Or, why I'm no good at this game," and in it I talked about the absence of teaching tools for a complicated combat system. Particularly in contrast to other MMOs. I suspect that I'm directly responsible for a lot of things because of this, such as the dodge tutorials in low level zones, but color coded combo fields were one of the things I directly suggested and it is an idea that appeared nowhere else. On other issues, sometimes it might be an internal idea that I just happen to touch on, or maybe it is a popular complaint and I just haven't seen it anywhere else. But, those pretty little circles are mine.

    You're probably wondering what this has to do with anything. Here's the issue: if we directly take the line of thinking proposed by others here to say that Deroir has committed some kind of social sin in his tweets, and extend it logically to all similar circumstances, then we conclude that my suggestion for color coded combo rings was also some kind of social sin. Me, a non-professional, told seasoned professionals (many of whom are women) how to do their job unsolicited in a matter that is far more authoritarian than Deroir did. Not only that, but I've done it at least half a dozen times, making elaborate lists of problems and often having no real solutions due to a lack of creativity on my part.

    Never trust anyone who tells you not to think. When somebody says "Don't tell me how to do my job", what they are really saying is

    "You are not allowed to think about my work.
    "You are not allowed to discuss the philosophy of the work.
    "You are not allowed to make suggestions.
    "You are not allowed to criticize or attempt to criticize my work.
    "You are not allowed to tell me what you would like to see or would like to buy.
    "You are not allowed to question my decisions, even if they don't make sense to you.
    "You are not allowed to discuss my professionalism or behaviors.
    "If you have a concern for the game, for myself, or for yourself, you are not allowed to voice them or even have them."

    Which is all obviously very silly. The conclusion is that telling somebody how to do their job is a good thing because doing so produces good things. If you want to argue the contrary, then excuse me while I thump my bible here: (S)He who has never sinned may cast the first stone. Can you honestly say that you've never voiced an unsolicited suggestion or concern or criticism regarding class balance? Regarding allocation of development resources? Regarding game difficulty? Regarding WvW structuring? Regarding the economy? For any game you've ever played? For any media you consume? For every any transaction or exchange? And if not, have these unsolicited suggestions or concerns or criticisms never produced a good outcome? The idea is truly silly.

    It is obvious that Deroir did nothing wrong. There needs to exist some grand evidence to prove the contrary, and that evidence does not exist.

    Can I honestly say that I've NEVER voiced an UNSOLICITED suggestion or criticism...100% unequivocally YES. I've never, ever offered an UNSOLICITED suggestion for anything that did not have to do with the job I perform...why, because I don't know a kitten thing about the job. I have offered suggestions and criticism when it's been asked for, but I refuse to offer UNSOLICITED suggestions or criticisms, that's the easiest way to get yourself beat up(figuratively speaking of course) or dumped on. Even when I was a member of the Alpha team way back in the first couple of years I never offered UNSOLICITED suggestions, nor did I criticize anything...not until it was asked for did was that information put forth, but I did keep notes on what I might say when it was asked for. As far as I know none of my suggestions or criticisms have ever resulted in anything, so it's not silly to say that they produced a good outcome, because they produced no outcome. Also, I don't think responding to someone else's suggestion or criticism falls in the same category as it's usually stating why it might or might not work, or it might offer an alternative to the original suggestion(which I'm usually suggesting to the OP and not to whomever it's directed at). I think it's silly to suggest we might know more than the devs...we don't have the metrics or the numbers behind the metrics they do...which is a hell of a lot more important that feelings or other reasons.

    P.S. - I still don't see why we needed the combo fields color coded, it's not like you weren't told about them...but then I mostly play ranger so I guess it was easier for me to just figure them out(which is almost how I learn all things, I just figure them out on my own).

    Well first, the guy knew something about the job, albeit not having the same level of experience. But it doesn't matter. As a SSE I question my architect all the time. It is -healthy- to do so. Always bring some fresh ideas on the table. Bringing ideas doesn't mean you're right at all.
    And if the ideas are stupid? Who cares! Brainstorming is never a bad thing .It's 101 software development. I completely disagree with Deroir's argument, I think it's unreasonable for many obvious reasons to do branching in GW2, but every once in a while it doesn't hurt to hear other's ideas.
    And now for a 101 business: Never insult your clients, which is what it comes back to when all the attempts to deviate the problem are gone, it is the one reason why ArenaNet did something. It's sad that it had to turn into a political issue. Enjoy the opportunism.

    It might be Software Development 101, but I'd still rather be asked for my feedback then just providing it out of the blue...I would tend to think it would be more welcome if you were responding to a request for feedback than just throwing it out there on your own. Do I give feedback at my job to superiors, of course, because I know my job and I know what will make things work smoother and give us a moral boost and improve the happiness of the workforce, don't really care about the customers in this case. Many businesses are moving away from the "the customer is always right" model, I'll bet very slowly, but they are starting to realize that the customer is not always right...and advising them in a reasonable manner shouldn't be looked down up(you'll notice I said reasonable and not polite or capitulating). Anyways, people can interpret what people type in the internet any way they want unless you include the proper descriptive wording so as to not cause any confusion on the readers part, which if we all did that would double the length of sometimes already extremely long posts, and it would make those short posts seem more normal in size.

    Yes...no...maybe...what do you want, can't you see I'm busy saving the world...AGAIN!

  • @Sondergaard.8469 That's been the saddest part of all of this to me, is seeing people defend the indefensible Just to protect a member of their ideological faction. It's nothing short of madness. I don't understand how people think defending this lady in any way helps the case for their ideas.

  • Deihnyx.6318Deihnyx.6318 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @The Knight of Hope.8023 said:
    @Sondergaard.8469 That's been the saddest part of all of this to me, is seeing people defend the indefensible Just to protect a member of their ideological faction. It's nothing short of madness. I don't understand how people think defending this lady in any way helps the case for their ideas.

    It's quite the opposite actually. Defending blatant case of unprofessionalism helps nobody, and certainly not devs who actually face issues like sexism and such.

  • The Knight of Hope.8023The Knight of Hope.8023 Member ✭✭
    edited July 20, 2018

    @Deihnyx.6318 Exactly; There's also a crying wolf aspect to this that nobody seems to appreciate.

  • Just because you have a reason for something, which everyone here knows she had a reason, albeit an extremely stupid reason, no matter how many devs give their personal OPINION.
    The problem is, her reaction, in a public place. Having a crappy reason for doing something does not give you free rein to be disrespectful on purpose.
    Not only did she alienate the person who disagreed with her, she alienated much of the player base with the things she said, weather she thought she was not representing the company (which she was, its not even a question). Alienating your player base is not good for business.

    From what I can see though, only the silly minority is defending this.... it just so happens that the minority seems to also be for the most part in control of the people pushing the narrative we are seeing spread throughout the defending side. It does help that JP is pretty good at continuing to hurt that very narrative with her constant vocal attacks in those very articles defending her.

  • The Knight of Hope.8023The Knight of Hope.8023 Member ✭✭
    edited July 20, 2018

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 Well stated; To some degree, these are all various forms of nihilism, stemming from a combination of varying degrees of narcissism and cynicism, sometimes hidden behind a pretense of compassion. This lady's defenders can't genuinely think they're making a strong case for their ideas to others. The reality is, they don't care about making a good case to their skeptics. They've already determined that we're beneath contempt. Those who would defend this behavior from this lady, (which they would never accept from anyone else,) for no other reason than ideological affiliation are effectively cramming their ideas down society's throat rather than arguing for them. 'The ends justify the means' really is the be-all end-all description for it.

  • fizzypetal.7936fizzypetal.7936 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 20, 2018

    Interesting perspective that I had not considered. On revisiting Deroir's tweets that started the storm, I realised that he had not asked a question - he made a closed comment that didn't invite further discussion. Deroir's 4 tweets in response to JP's 'AMA' reads a bit like a drive by. I can see why she might have been annoyed, though I can't see sexism in anything Deroir said.

    I wonder if the outcome would have been any different had Deroir framed his thoughts as a question and left the last tweet open ended and inviting of further discourse.

    Unfortunately, English isn't Deroir's first language so I see his attempt to engage as clumsy rather than intending any harm. I also have the benefit of hindsight. Deroir streamed shortly after the Devs left ANet, and in it a viewer linked a stream previous to the Twitter debacle that showed Deroir expressing his appreciation of JP's work, calling her a 'god'.

    Irrespective of my understanding of why JP exploded, I stand by my opinion: so long as JP was displaying working for ArenaNet in her profile, she should have responded to Deroir politely if she could not ignore his tweets. Stating the obvious, responding politely or ignoring the tweets would have caused no harm and she and PF would still have their jobs.

  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @The Knight of Hope.8023 said:
    @Sondergaard.8469 That's been the saddest part of all of this to me, is seeing people defend the indefensible Just to protect a member of their ideological faction. It's nothing short of madness. I don't understand how people think defending this lady in any way helps the case for their ideas.

    Except that there isn't a single thing in this world that isn't defensible by someone or another...in other words, someone, somewhere will defend anything, no matter what that thing it or how wrong it might be, there's always someone out there that agrees with it.

    Yes...no...maybe...what do you want, can't you see I'm busy saving the world...AGAIN!

  • The Knight of Hope.8023The Knight of Hope.8023 Member ✭✭
    edited July 20, 2018

    @Zaklex.6308 We'd probably have to have a pretty lengthy discussion to resolve that issue; But to try to put it simply, the problem is that you're talking about an unworkable definition of 'defensible'. I would say an action is defensible if it can be defended without contradicting the values and principles that your defense of that action is predicated on. If you put forward the idea that people should not have freedom of speech by speaking freely, for instance, then you'd be pushing an indefensible position. Your defense of that idea would assume the point that you'd be making was untrue. This problem of contradiction is at the heart of many of the flaws with the defenses people have been giving here for what this lady did when she went after this guy on Twitter.

  • @fizzypetal.7936 said:

    Interesting perspective that I had not considered. On revisiting Deroir's tweets that started the storm, I realised that he had not asked a question - he made a closed comment that didn't invite further discussion. Deroir's 4 tweets in response to JP's 'AMA' reads a bit like a drive by. I can see why she might have been annoyed, though I can't see sexism in anything Deroir said.

    I wonder if the outcome would have been any different had Deroir framed his thoughts as a question and left the last tweet open ended and inviting of further discourse.

    Unfortunately, English isn't Deroir's first language so I see his attempt to engage as clumsy rather than intending any harm. I also have the benefit of hindsight. Deroir streamed shortly after the Devs left ANet, and in it a viewer linked a stream previous to the Twitter debacle that showed Deroir expressing his appreciation of JP's work, calling her a 'god'.

    Irrespective of my understanding of why JP exploded, I stand by my opinion: so long as JP was displaying working for ArenaNet in her profile, she should have responded to Deroir politely if she could not ignore his tweets. Stating the obvious, responding politely or ignoring the tweets would have caused no harm and she and PF would still have their jobs.

    When he said "I believe" he opened it up as a discussion, since it creates opportunity for you to respond. Unlike an opinion, a belief is generally based on a lack of evidence and experience.... in other words he was kind of saying "im not an expert, but i think this".
    As the 'expert' (who only joined the team after they stopped using before she joined btw) she would have the grounds to object and correct his belief with her opinion, furthering the discussion.
    She chose a more destructive path as you already state.

  • fizzypetal.7936fizzypetal.7936 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 20, 2018

    @Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485 said:

    @fizzypetal.7936 said:

    Interesting perspective that I had not considered. On revisiting Deroir's tweets that started the storm, I realised that he had not asked a question - he made a closed comment that didn't invite further discussion. Deroir's 4 tweets in response to JP's 'AMA' reads a bit like a drive by. I can see why she might have been annoyed, though I can't see sexism in anything Deroir said.

    I wonder if the outcome would have been any different had Deroir framed his thoughts as a question and left the last tweet open ended and inviting of further discourse.

    Unfortunately, English isn't Deroir's first language so I see his attempt to engage as clumsy rather than intending any harm. I also have the benefit of hindsight. Deroir streamed shortly after the Devs left ANet, and in it a viewer linked a stream previous to the Twitter debacle that showed Deroir expressing his appreciation of JP's work, calling her a 'god'.

    Irrespective of my understanding of why JP exploded, I stand by my opinion: so long as JP was displaying working for ArenaNet in her profile, she should have responded to Deroir politely if she could not ignore his tweets. Stating the obvious, responding politely or ignoring the tweets would have caused no harm and she and PF would still have their jobs.

    When he said "I believe" he opened it up as a discussion, since it creates opportunity for you to respond. Unlike an opinion, a belief is generally based on a lack of evidence and experience.... in other words he was kind of saying "im not an expert, but i think this".
    As the 'expert' (who only joined the team after they stopped using before she joined btw) she would have the grounds to object and correct his belief with her opinion, furthering the discussion.
    She chose a more destructive path as you already state.

    What Deroir said (copied & pasted from Twitter)

    Really interesting thread to read! 👌
    However, allow me to disagree slightly. I dont believe the issue lies in the MMORPG genre itself (as your wording seemingly suggest). I believe the issue lies in the contraints of the Living Story's narrative design; (1 of 3)

    When you want the outcome to be the same across the board for all players' experiences, then yes, by design you are extremely limited in how you can contruct the personality of the PC. (2 of 3)

    But, if instead players were given the option to meaningfully express their character through branching dialogue options (which also aren't just on the checklist for an achievement that forces you through all dialogue options), (3 of 4 cause I count seemingly...)

    then perhaps players would be more invested in the roleplaying aspect of that particular MMORPG.
    Nonetheless, I appreciate the insightful thread! (End)

    Let me say first -that in my view there is nothing wrong with what Deroir said. I think because Deroir ended his tweets with the closed statement Nonetheless, I appreciate the insightful thread! - it doesn't really indicate he wanted to continue the conversation. If there were cues before that last sentence, they were lost by the way Deroir worded the final tweet in his thread.

    I can see how JP thought Deroir was yet another person telling her how to do her job. Notice I left out the gender. That I can see that one point from JPs POV doesn't mean that I also think that is what Deroir was doing - I don't. I've said before I thought it was a clumsy attempt on Deroir's part, in trying to engage in a conversation about a topic with someone he respected and admired.

    Calling people names, implying Deroir was sexist, saying she doesn't have to 'pretend to like' fans and insinuating fans expect from her some form of prostitution was inexcusable and insulting to all fans, regardless of gender. In my world, that JP interpreted Deroir's comments as unsolicited opinion was not Deroirs fault. JP chose to take that view and then some. She could have ignored Deroir or reported him to ArenaNet the next day if she felt that aggrieved. She handled it all horribly and continued to do so days after the fact.

    Conversations face to face can be tricky - with social media you have the added challenge of zero verbal or facial cues. English is my first language and I struggle daily with stringing words together that get my meaning across the way I intend. Imagine trying to do that with more than one language...eek!

  • IndigoSundown.5419IndigoSundown.5419 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's sad that women need to prove they are more competent than most men to be taken seriously. However, knocking peoples' socks off with your competence at least has the potential to change the mindset of some of the people who hold such prejudices, consciously or unconsciously. Punching one of them in the face (figuratively speaking) may (or may not) get that one person to shut up, but it's going to trigger retaliatory sallies by others.

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- Santayana

  • The Knight of Hope.8023The Knight of Hope.8023 Member ✭✭
    edited July 20, 2018

    @IndigoSundown.5419 The issue here is misbehavior, not the content of the conversation. If you would, imagine for a moment what would have happened if this had been a male ArenaNET employee who accused a woman of being up to no good based on the fact that she was female. The ideologues here who are upset with ArenaNET over this lady's firing would've thrown them a parade in the streets for getting rid of that guy. None of the pretext they're basing their defense of her on now would be applied in the same way to the gentleman in that other scenario. The reality is, what she did is indefensible under any circumstances. It's not ethical to libel someone and represent your company poorly in public in order to make yourself feel powerful when someone criticizes you or makes you feel bad about yourself. Even if he had been being rude, it would still be a malicious and negligent overreaction. No company on Earth wants to be forced to associate with someone who mistreats their customers and their partners that way and puts their future at risk. It's not fair to the other people at ArenaNET or the investors who depend on ArenaNET for them to have to suffer the consequences of her bad behavior. For once, we need to think about accountability in terms of actions and consequences, instead of the pretenses those actions were taken under.

  • Just a flesh wound.3589Just a flesh wound.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 20, 2018

    A comment concerning JP’s claim that her firing is about sexism. Another man fired for twitter posts, and he wasn’t even posting on an account with his workplace identified. James Gunn fired for offensive tweets.

    No JP it wasn’t sexism that got you fired. It was not following company policy concerning ANet’s customers in how you respond to them while repping ANet.

    (I didn’t post a link to the James Gunn tweets as the ones I saw were about pedophilia and even a link would probably get this post deleted.)

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  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think anyone that still believes JP was fired due to "sexism" or that "sexism" exists in Arenanet (maybe it does, but it's certainly not visible in any way) needs a reality check because it's not an argument that stands to logic.

  • At the end of the day, ArenaNet held two of their devs to the same standards they hold their players. Zero tolerance for toxicity. It's a policy that was implemented a long time ago, and one I personally agree with. Regardless of her reasons, be it a bad day or a long term issue, her reaction was so far on the extreme side of things it became toxic. It's even harder to defend this as a 'one off' occasion when she has illustrated a history of very toxic and hateful comments with little to no provocation.

    Example: Telling a widow to commit suicide because she was offended that JP was celebrating her husband's death.

    Apply this line of conversation to any player in Guild Wars 2, and say they got reported. What do you think would happen? It's very easy to see why, when they are trying to enforce these rules against toxicity and promote less toxicity in gaming in general, that they would hold their devs to an even HIGHER standard, because they are supposed to setting the example for everyone else.

    It becomes much harder to enforce those rules when you have someone on your own team undermining that image.

  • The Knight of Hope.8023The Knight of Hope.8023 Member ✭✭
    edited July 21, 2018

    @Sondergaard.8469 And, y'know, a little courtesy and professionalism goes a long way to convince people who don't like each other to agree to disagree in civil society. The fact that a large segment of our population does not expect public figures they admire to act courteously and professionally when representing their values tells us a lot about the quality of their ideas. We cannot hope to build better relationships and a better future by allowing ourselves to embrace treating other people the way this lady chose to treat the gentleman on Twitter. It's just not possible.

  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @The Knight of Hope.8023 said:
    @IndigoSundown.5419 The issue here is misbehavior, not the content of the conversation. If you would, imagine for a moment what would have happened if this had been a male ArenaNET employee who accused a woman of being up to no good based on the fact that she was female. The ideologues here who are upset with ArenaNET over this lady's firing would've thrown them a parade in the streets for getting rid of that guy. None of the pretext they're basing their defense of her on now would be applied in the same way to the gentleman in that other scenario. The reality is, what she did is indefensible under any circumstances. It's not ethical to libel someone and represent your company poorly in public in order to make yourself feel powerful when someone criticizes you or makes you feel bad about yourself. Even if he had been being rude, it would still be a malicious and negligent overreaction. No company on Earth wants to be forced to associate with someone who mistreats their customers and their partners that way and puts their future at risk. It's not fair to the other people at ArenaNET or the investors who depend on ArenaNET for them to have to suffer the consequences of her bad behavior. For once, we need to think about accountability in terms of actions and consequences, instead of the pretenses those actions were taken under.

    JP said nothing that can be considered libel in a court of law, at least not the U.S....unless name calling is now considered libel(which it isn't). No one would have suffered had they taken the time to wait for the Supervisors to return and decide what to do with a level head instead of emotionally, a simple suspension behind closed doors and advising the community it had been handled internally would have sufficed(except for the non-GW2 blowhards that infiltrated the call for her head). Civility is dead, it has been for ages, there's no chance on bringing it back unless you want to return to the time of knights and kings...no, wait, it didn't exist then either...battles and arguments have been fought since the beginning of time, civility never wins in the end. You don't have to act courteous and professional to agree to disagree either, people do it all the time and still remain hostile towards each other, besides the fact you don't have to like the people you work with, just work with them(it really isn't that hard to work with someone you dislike, I have to do it all the time).

    Yes...no...maybe...what do you want, can't you see I'm busy saving the world...AGAIN!

  • The Knight of Hope.8023The Knight of Hope.8023 Member ✭✭
    edited July 21, 2018

    @Zaklex.6308 The definition of libel is a false accusation made in print. Libel is a civil dispute, so it covers a wide range of false allegations. Most libel suits are settled outside of court or are dismissed because it's difficult to prove damages, which is the standard of judgment in a civil proceeding. If the lady who libeled this man had instead chosen to libel someone with a high profile like Pewdiepie or Elon Musk, and had managed to get her message out to enough people to impact their businesses, she would be much more likely to be finding herself in civil court right now. I actually find it pretty disturbing that there are those who would accept this kind of character assassination on behalf of their ideological agenda. Of course, no matter the impact or the viability of a lawsuit, libeling or slandering someone simply isn't okay. If it had been you who she had accused of being up to no good based upon your maleness or femaleness, I would consider that just as malicious as if she had done it to anybody else. I would hope that you would feel the same way.

  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @The Knight of Hope.8023 said:
    @Zaklex.6308 The definition of libel is a false accusation made in print. Libel is a civil dispute, so it covers a wide range of false allegations. Most libel suits are settled outside of court or are dismissed because it's difficult to prove damages, which is the standard of judgment in a civil proceeding. If the lady who libeled this man had instead chosen to libel someone with a high profile like Pewdiepie or Elon Musk, and had managed to get her message out to enough people to impact their businesses, she would be much more likely to be finding herself in civil court right now. I actually find it pretty disturbing that there are those who would accept this kind of character assassination on behalf of their ideological agenda. Of course, no matter the impact or the viability of a lawsuit, libeling or slandering someone simply isn't okay. If it had been you who she had accused of being up to no good based upon your maleness or femaleness, I would consider that just as malicious as if she had done it to anybody else. I would hope that you would feel the same way.

    If calling someone a sexist is going to be considered libel, then we're opening a huge can of worms here, because basically you'd be saying that anything you call someone else could be called libel. Honestly though, people can call me what ever they want, don't care, the people that know me, my friends, family, some co-workers, they know who I am, the rest, they're immaterial, they're nobodies so I don't care what they think of me, so it's going to be pretty hard for someone to libel me personally...unless it's an outright lie that I can prove is false, but a label, some of those are hard to disprove.

    Yes...no...maybe...what do you want, can't you see I'm busy saving the world...AGAIN!

  • The Knight of Hope.8023The Knight of Hope.8023 Member ✭✭
    edited July 21, 2018

    @Zaklex.6308 What is or isn't libel is not subject to feelings or opinions. Just because you don't feel that you have to worry about your own well-being when it comes to libel doesn't mean you're entitled to decide that it's not a malicious and destructive thing to do. Furthermore, it is a very serious thing to publish a false accusation assassinating someone's character as a hater or bigot on social media. People's lives can be and are ruined by defamation on a daily basis, cutting them off from society and limiting or denying them the ability to maintain employment. The fact that there are people defending this woman for having done this who don't care about these consequences for no other reason than the fact that they share her ideology is horrifying and inexcusable. It's certainly not helping anyone's case that it was okay for her to do what she did, quite the opposite.

  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 21, 2018

    @The Knight of Hope.8023
    All I'm saying is it's a lot different to call someone a murderer when they aren't or accuse them of being a thief vs. calling them a sexist or bigot, once again, it comes down to a matter of context. I'm not really defending her, she should've just ignored the comment, but he also could've written a little differently so as to remove any remote possibility of it being construed as sexist, but that would've taken having English as your first language, and then assuming that the person you're addressing might see it as sexist...and we all know what happens when you assume(hey, just like JP did, she assumed and look what happened).

    Yes...no...maybe...what do you want, can't you see I'm busy saving the world...AGAIN!

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zaklex.6308 said:
    @The Knight of Hope.8023
    All I'm saying is it's a lot different to call someone a murderer when they aren't or accuse them of being a thief vs. calling them a sexist or bigot, once again, it comes down to a matter of context. I'm not really defending her, she should've just ignored the comment, but he also could've written a little differently so as to remove any remote possibility of it being construed as sexist, but that would've taken having English as your first language, and then assuming that the person you're addressing might see it as sexist...and we all know what happens when you assume(hey, just like JP did, she assumed and look what happened).

    I guess that's why there was an apology by Deroir once he figured she was offended by his tweet. But that was disregarded too, and nearly 1 hour later there was an attack on the community itself. The important part is that she said far worse things in the past, but Arenanet let it pass, because it didn't affect her job, Guild Wars 2, or Arenanet as a company. Which shows that Arenanet actually cares about their employees and lets them keep their social media separate from work. People have been fired by other companies for what they type(d) on social media, even though their tweets weren't in response to their work, so we can say that Arenanet has a very lenient policy towards their employees.

  • The Knight of Hope.8023The Knight of Hope.8023 Member ✭✭
    edited July 21, 2018

    @Zaklex.6308 I'm glad you're not defending this person, but please consider: There is only a difference in your mind. Falsely accusing others of race or gender based discrimination is defamation, and can destroy their lives. The only reason why anyone is defending this lady here is because they agree with her politics. And the fact that they would okay with it, even happy about it, if her accusations were to destroy his reputation and ruin his life says a lot about who they are and what they hope to accomplish. We cannot afford to let people off the hook for behaving this way, regardless of whether or not we agree with their ideas. I can't afford it, you can't afford it, society can't afford it. It's not sustainable.

  • morrolan.9608morrolan.9608 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sondergaard.8469 said:
    At the end of the day, ArenaNet held two of their devs to the same standards they hold their players. Zero tolerance for toxicity.

    Man thats funny try pvping or wvwing and see what gets said. 1000 times worse than what Price said.

  • @morrolan.9608 For once I actually agree with you; I don't think it's fair to claim ArenaNET holds the players to the same standards as their employees. Of course, we're all paying customers with no platform and who don't represent the company in public. We're not supposed to be held to standards of professionalism and stewardship, because we have no power, affiliation or visibility. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Being vicious and libelous in public and being vicious and libelous in public to the customers and partners of a company that you're known to represent are two entirely different things.

  • Loli Ruri.8307Loli Ruri.8307 Member ✭✭✭

    the-price-is-wrong.jpg

    Why are we still discussing this?

    Get woke, go broke.

  • @Loli Ruri.8307 said:
    the-price-is-wrong.jpg

    Why are we still discussing this?

    they say 2 days later

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I am of the opinion that any customer facing company in the world should now use the JP Twitter Feed in their new employee induction training program. This would allow them to show employees how NOT to conduct yourself and what IS NOT acceptable behaviour .. whilst making the whole induction experience just that little bit more fun. Cos reading her latest twitter storm, does nothing but make me chuckle hard.
    She is clearly running out of ammunition and stretching for support by her fingertips. I cant believe any company would be willing to consider hiring this person now, she is clearly far too much work for not a lot of gain...

    Life is what YOU make it... NOT what others tell you!

  • how is everything a gender issue with her?

    Literally no one cares if she is female or a dolphin!

  • yann.1946yann.1946 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485 said:
    how is everything a gender issue with her?

    Literally no one cares if she is female or a dolphin!

    We'll a part of her following and media cares. Otherwise this wouldn't have blown up.

    I agree their was very little to support the sexism claim tho

  • I have hard time understanding people who still support her even after this recent twitter barrage of hers. She just doesn't appear to be a sane, mentally stable person.

  • The Knight of Hope.8023The Knight of Hope.8023 Member ✭✭
    edited July 31, 2018

    @Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485 said:
    how is everything a gender issue with her?

    Literally no one cares if she is female or a dolphin!

    This is the frame within which ideologues like her believe the world operates. She accused the guy who was providing her polite feedback of being up to no good based only upon the fact that he was male as her sole piece of evidence. They believe exactly the thing that they accuse other people of believing: That everyone who looks or thinks differently from them are bad people who are out to get them. The only way they justify their bad behavior is by claiming other people behaved badly first and thus deserved it. When you boil this ideology down, it's the same erroneous reasoning used by grade school kids on the playground. "Everyone's secretly mean to me, so it's okay to be mean to them." There is a maturity problem that underpins many of these kinds of ideological movements that is not insignificant.

  • Loli Ruri.8307Loli Ruri.8307 Member ✭✭✭

    I saw the quartering video today, and I'm lolzing at how she has not learned anything. Maybe she can do story writing for Starbucks or McDonalds. XD

    Get woke, go broke.

  • @Loli Ruri.8307 said:
    I saw the quartering video today, and I'm lolzing at how she has not learned anything. Maybe she can do story writing for Starbucks or McDonalds. XD

    there is one thing we can do and this may be a bit harsh on some players in the Living World Story waiting line (sorry folks) but maybe get in touch with a head Dev, ask them to scrap Prices ideas ENTIRELY (including the character she leaked named Cooties) and start from scratch.

    This will surely put a hornet (not a bee) in her Bonnet

  • @Zabi Zabi.3561 said:

    @Loli Ruri.8307 said:
    I saw the quartering video today, and I'm lolzing at how she has not learned anything. Maybe she can do story writing for Starbucks or McDonalds. XD

    there is one thing we can do and this may be a bit harsh on some players in the Living World Story waiting line (sorry folks) but maybe get in touch with a head Dev, ask them to scrap Prices ideas ENTIRELY (including the character she leaked named Cooties) and start from scratch.

    This will surely put a hornet (not a bee) in her Bonnet

    she was not talking about a character... i think

    and any work she had done is probably too far along to scrap, and therefore too expensive.

  • @Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485 said:

    @Zabi Zabi.3561 said:

    @Loli Ruri.8307 said:
    I saw the quartering video today, and I'm lolzing at how she has not learned anything. Maybe she can do story writing for Starbucks or McDonalds. XD

    there is one thing we can do and this may be a bit harsh on some players in the Living World Story waiting line (sorry folks) but maybe get in touch with a head Dev, ask them to scrap Prices ideas ENTIRELY (including the character she leaked named Cooties) and start from scratch.

    This will surely put a hornet (not a bee) in her Bonnet

    she was not talking about a character... i think

    and any work she had done is probably too far along to scrap, and therefore too expensive.

    well that steams my bacon... Price doesn't deserve to have anything future in GW2 to gloat over

  • @Zabi Zabi.3561 said:

    @Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485 said:

    @Zabi Zabi.3561 said:

    @Loli Ruri.8307 said:
    I saw the quartering video today, and I'm lolzing at how she has not learned anything. Maybe she can do story writing for Starbucks or McDonalds. XD

    there is one thing we can do and this may be a bit harsh on some players in the Living World Story waiting line (sorry folks) but maybe get in touch with a head Dev, ask them to scrap Prices ideas ENTIRELY (including the character she leaked named Cooties) and start from scratch.

    This will surely put a hornet (not a bee) in her Bonnet

    she was not talking about a character... i think

    and any work she had done is probably too far along to scrap, and therefore too expensive.

    well that steams my bacon... Price doesn't deserve to have anything future in GW2 to gloat over

    shes also probably going to have an easy time getting a new job too, since some company will try to score some brownie points.... until they fire her for the same reason as her last 2 jobs.... it might not be a pattern, but its kitten close.