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I'm hoping that there isn't another multiyear jump between GW2 and GW3. I believe the last chapter of GW2 should be part of the transition story into GW3. I know I want to keep my same characters (we have spent enough time and money on them).

Or would you rather just see a continuation of map expansion in GW2?

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  • Cyrin.1035Cyrin.1035 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 9, 2018

    @Game of Bones.8975 said:
    I'm hoping that there isn't another multiyear jump between GW2 and GW3. I believe the last chapter of GW2 should be part of the transition story into GW3. I know I want to keep my same characters (we have spent enough time and money on them).

    Or would you rather just see a continuation of map expansion in GW2?

    Both. I want the LW transition as well as map expansion and continuation. I don't think GW 3 should or needs to go ahead so many years, but a new story focus could easily pave way for a new installment. Add new races, professions, features, and possibly make it truly open world instead of instanced.

    I would like for everything we have achieved here to greatly effect and help our characters in GW 3, so that none of it is dismissed and so that new players that come into GW 3 want to go back to GW 2 to earn what we have achieved here. Make 3 and 2 far more connected than 1 and 2 were.

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 9, 2018

    @Menadena.7482 said:
    gw3? ls5? Did I miss some major news stories or is this just speculating?

    just speculation.

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  • ron.6157ron.6157 Member ✭✭

    yea have played G.W. for so long and the time line gap from G.W. 1 to G.W. 2 was a bit much as for LWS and Xpack's vs G.W. 3 have to say if its 250 years later I better see more starship type stuff and honestly if I wanted that id be playing something else and major Kittens if the Monk class don't return and am forced to run an ele or ranger as a healer ill charge per healing spell cast not that I did much healing on my G.W. 1 monk but when I did I was good at it un less the toad was just doing dumb stuff

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  • Nuka Cola.8520Nuka Cola.8520 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:
    LS5: Same stale game with no major changes on the horizon, 1-2h long story with poor writing and a zerg map.

    GW3: Fresh start and excitement of leveling and learning EVERYTHING.

    The choice is clear.

    And many years to develop. It takes a huge amount of time to build s brand new mmo.

    Obviously. But if i had a choice, GW3 would be it and it wouldn't even be a contest. New engine alone would make a much much better experience.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:
    LS5: Same stale game with no major changes on the horizon, 1-2h long story with poor writing and a zerg map.

    GW3: Fresh start and excitement of leveling and learning EVERYTHING.

    The choice is clear.

    And many years to develop. It takes a huge amount of time to build s brand new mmo.

    Obviously. But if i had a choice, GW3 would be it and it wouldn't even be a contest. New engine alone would make a much much better experience.

    Sure, I would always ask for brand new things too, just not realistic.

  • Nuka Cola.8520Nuka Cola.8520 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:
    LS5: Same stale game with no major changes on the horizon, 1-2h long story with poor writing and a zerg map.

    GW3: Fresh start and excitement of leveling and learning EVERYTHING.

    The choice is clear.

    And many years to develop. It takes a huge amount of time to build s brand new mmo.

    Obviously. But if i had a choice, GW3 would be it and it wouldn't even be a contest. New engine alone would make a much much better experience.

    Sure, I would always ask for brand new things too, just not realistic.

    GW2 has been out for almost six years. The game is running on DX9. WvW is dead. SPVP is dead. Everything is so unbalanced, its a mess that will take em years of reworking. New player experience is atrocious.

    I think its time. The state of GW1 is 2012 (pre gw2 launch) was much better than GW2 in 2018. With the gem store, of course they're making money, but the game is a wrecked car, good luck fixing it.

  • Nemmar.8491Nemmar.8491 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 9, 2018

    I only want a GW3 if they make the combat more like GW1.

    Otherwise just keep with GW2.

    Honestly it's still one of the best looking MMO's in the market.

    As for the issues above. I really think WvW should be retired and resources used to develop new types of content or balancing the remaining ones. WvW is a convoluted mess that doesn't run properly in most machines. It actually does the game no favors.

  • gateless gate.8406gateless gate.8406 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 9, 2018

    There will be AT LEAST 1 more expansion and living world season. IMO that's a good thing.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @gateless gate.8406 said:
    There will be AT LEAST 1 more expansion and living world season. IMO that's a good thing.

    I’m thinking 2 expacs at the very least. That should be enough to wrap up the Elder Dragons.

  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:
    LS5: Same stale game with no major changes on the horizon, 1-2h long story with poor writing and a zerg map.

    GW3: Fresh start and excitement of leveling and learning EVERYTHING.

    The choice is clear.

    And many years to develop. It takes a huge amount of time to build s brand new mmo.

    Obviously. But if i had a choice, GW3 would be it and it wouldn't even be a contest. New engine alone would make a much much better experience.

    Cannot disagree.

    I would love for an overhaul of the engine, and other elements that devs have said are not likely to happen (dyeable weapons for example) because of decisions (some regretted now) made early on in the coding process.

    But the time and cost seem prohibitive.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Palador.2170 said:
    We're more likely to see a GW2.5 than we are a GW3. And IF there is ever a GW3, you can bet there will be a huge jump in years again, and maybe even a new world. Tyria is already borderline doomed, and nobody says we have to win in the end. Survivors could flee to a new world right before Tyria falls, destroying Cantha before we ever get a chance to go back. (And that would allow them to run with new ideas that just don't work on Tyria.)

    I would cry if we don’t go back to Cantha. 😭

  • Nuka Cola.8520Nuka Cola.8520 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:
    LS5: Same stale game with no major changes on the horizon, 1-2h long story with poor writing and a zerg map.

    GW3: Fresh start and excitement of leveling and learning EVERYTHING.

    The choice is clear.

    And many years to develop. It takes a huge amount of time to build s brand new mmo.

    Obviously. But if i had a choice, GW3 would be it and it wouldn't even be a contest. New engine alone would make a much much better experience.

    Sure, I would always ask for brand new things too, just not realistic.

    GW2 has been out for almost six years. The game is running on DX9. WvW is dead. SPVP is dead. Everything is so unbalanced, its a mess that will take em years of reworking. New player experience is atrocious.

    I think its time. The state of GW1 is 2012 (pre gw2 launch) was much better than GW2 in 2018. With the gem store, of course they're making money, but the game is a wrecked car, good luck fixing it.

    Woah now partner, I hate it when people say this. You know what dead means yeah? Devoid of life as in nothing is happening. Like absolute nothing. If I went into pvp and wvw and literally no matches were being played or no people were in the map, then I would agree with it being dead. What you are doing is hyper exaggerating.

    You're right, by "dead mmo" standards, GW2 isn't fully dead, its in its zombie state.

  • Game of Bones.8975Game of Bones.8975 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Who's to say they aren't already developing GW3 as we speak?!? So the years in future everyone is talking about could have started in 2017 and roll-out in 2020.

    I don't know what ANET's business model is, but I do know that once a company reaches a certain size it needs to branch out, reinvent itself, adapt to new technologies, or risk being left behind.

    I brought up the question to see whether people were wanting more of the same or a new platform.

    Funding will come from people buying the game, keeping the "gem store atomsphere," and making things intermittently that people want to buy.

    "That's what" -- She

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 9, 2018

    @Game of Bones.8975 said:
    I'm hoping that there isn't another multiyear jump between GW2 and GW3. I believe the last chapter of GW2 should be part of the transition story into GW3. I know I want to keep my same characters (we have spent enough time and money on them).

    First of all, what makes you think that Season 5 will be "the last chapter"? Second, how do you expect to keep your characters when at the same time you are asking for a new GW?

    And last but not least, I sincerely hope that, if there ever is to be a GW3, it would take place in Tyria's past (before GW1), not its future; I don't need any more sci-fi skin designs or crazy magi-tech to ruin my fantasy game experience. ;)

  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭

    They pretty much stated that there was no plans for a 3. That if things go (sell) well, they will make additional living world stories and expansions. The picture that was out before PoF had at least 2 more living seasons and expansions as the goal. And, they said they would just add more if everyone still liked the game.

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  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If they would start working on GW3 now we would not see it before 2024 or so. AAA MMOs need 5+ years of dev time if you start from scratch

  • Game of Bones.8975Game of Bones.8975 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Game of Bones.8975 said:
    I'm hoping that there isn't another multiyear jump between GW2 and GW3. I believe the last chapter of GW2 should be part of the transition story into GW3. I know I want to keep my same characters (we have spent enough time and money on them).

    First of all, what makes you think that Season 5 will be "the last chapter"? Second, how do you expect to keep your characters when at the same time you are asking for a new GW?

    And last but not least, I sincerely hope that, if there ever is to be a GW3, it would take place in Tyria's past (before GW1), not its future; I don't need any more sci-fi skin designs or crazy magi-tech to ruin my fantasy game experience. ;)

    First of all I didn't say that Season 5 would be the last chapter. I said that I would like the last chapter of GW2 to roll into GW3.

    Second, if there is a cataclysmic event that "ends" GW2, it would open the door to a whole new system, much like what happened prior to GW2. Only the PC are there to pick up the pieces.

    Third, I think going back before GW1 would be good as a Bonus Pack or optional game.

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  • Forty Keks.9620Forty Keks.9620 Member ✭✭✭

    @Game of Bones.8975 said:
    I'm hoping that there isn't another multiyear jump between GW2 and GW3. I believe the last chapter of GW2 should be part of the transition story into GW3. I know I want to keep my same characters (we have spent enough time and money on them).

    Or would you rather just see a continuation of map expansion in GW2?

    personally i'd rather see GW3 just because i like starting fresh and anew in MMOs. i like the feeling of experiencing a mmo for the first time. and knowing it's guild wars would just make it even better. could you imagine if blizzard made world of warcraft 2? people would go nuts. well, that would be me with guild wars 3.

  • Palador.2170Palador.2170 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @lokh.2695 said:
    New does not automatically mean better. I'd say improve on GW2 before starting something new. With MMOs there's also the fact that companies usually lose a big part of a very enthusiastic playerbase when the transition isn't done right.Sure, new players come in and start off, but you always have to weigh one against the other. I've sunken thousands of hours in this game and would probably not do so with a new one.

    This is why I think we're more likely to see a "GW2.5" revamp of this game than a whole new game. ANet may not have it in them to make a whole new engine for the game, but I'm sure they're at least keeping an eye on what's out there and considering the costs of replacing at least part of the game engine with something new. It wouldn't be cheap, but it would cost a lot less than making a whole new game and wouldn't lose them as much playerbase.

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  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Malediktus.9250 said:
    If they would start working on GW3 now we would not see it before 2024 or so. AAA MMOs need 5+ years of dev time if you start from scratch

    That would mean all hands on deck and nothing would happen in Gw2.

  • azizul.8469azizul.8469 Member ✭✭

    i don't see GW3 coming, at least another 5 years....

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2018

    @wrathmagik.3518 said:
    I can't believe how many people here are dumb enough to think GW3 is even a possibility. You have no idea how game development and MMO's work.

    Just because some people "have no idea" doesn't make them "dumb". Uninformed <> unintelligent.

    @Ubi.4136 said:
    They pretty much stated that there was no plans for a 3.

    It would make no sense at all, since GW2 is doing well. Not at this point, and not in the near future (ask again 10-15 years from now ;) ).

  • Maikimaik.1974Maikimaik.1974 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2018

    The possibility of the release of GW3 in the next decade is close to being zero. It's very unlikely that an MMORPG nowadays gets a sequel, it would just be a horrible marketing move. It's way more likely of it getting an overhaul in terms of graphics etc.

  • TwilightSoul.9048TwilightSoul.9048 Member ✭✭✭

    I still don't get why anyone would ever want a GW3. What kind of expectations do you have? Nothing much will change, if they make it just an improved version of GW2 then it will be boring as hell and if they make it a new game with an entirely new concept then they'll have an entirely new clientel just like they did with the transition from GW to GW2, not nearly every GW player transitioned to GW2 but they've gained many new players, a similar thing would be expected for a GW3 except, as with every change, you never know for sure how people will like it, maybe they'll just loose all their players and noone will like GW3? It would be an unneccessary risk.

    And if GW3 would be just an improved version of GW2 then they could (and should) just take some time to give GW2 a huge engine overhaul, go over the code and polish it, make a graphics upgrade like Blizzard had done with WoW a while ago and just polish the game before proceeding to add more new content.

    Creating a new game is a lot of effort and I can't imagine that it'd pay off more than a GW2 overhaul.
    A huge GW2 update would bring back lot's of players that're curious to see new graphics and play the game on an improved engine.

    I hope we'll never see a GW3, I can't imagine any way in which GW3 would be better than a GW2 upgrade.

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  • @Nuka Cola.8520 said:
    LS5: Same stale game with no major changes on the horizon, 1-2h long story with poor writing and a zerg map.

    GW3: Fresh start and excitement of leveling and learning EVERYTHING.

    The choice is clear.

    your severely undermining LW and the sacrifices required to make a new GW.
    lets go over what you just said. in a more realistic context:

    One choice (LWS5) gives you another story mode, a potential couple new maps, a small extra mechanic, and a build up to the new xpac. and would require at most a bundle of gems from the player to buy it.

    GW3 on the other hand, would mean a new or completely changed map, a whole new personal story, and new proffessions. which isn't a bad thing, but that requires the player to sacrifice everything they did in GW2. and would cost Anet a kitten ton of money. which would also take years to develop. and if GW2 really was as stale as you said it is, then making GW3 would stop GW2 development entirely. and what would long time players do in the meantime?

    and you're acting like GW3 would bring GW as a whole back from it's supposedly zombie like state. it won't. it will do the exact same thing. people aren't going to come to GW3 simply because it's "new" or even because it's better. and where did this "unbalanced" gameplay complaint come from?

  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    "unbalanced" gameplay complaint come from?

    To this last bit, the game has had sever power creep from both expansions, PVP and WvW are both a mess balance wise as well, and PVE is just barely better.

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  • @Dante.1763 said:

    "unbalanced" gameplay complaint come from?

    To this last bit, the game has had sever power creep from both expansions, PVP and WvW are both a mess balance wise as well, and PVE is just barely better.

    but the elite specs are simply extensions to your character, not overpowered overhauls. I know this from having a renegade; it's not better, it's just extra.
    and if your talking about the exploits players use to dominate other players/enemies, that's always going to happen no matter what the devs do. that's not exactly a problem you can fix even if a new game was created.

  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @lukebytes.4358 said:

    @Dante.1763 said:

    "unbalanced" gameplay complaint come from?

    To this last bit, the game has had sever power creep from both expansions, PVP and WvW are both a mess balance wise as well, and PVE is just barely better.

    but the elite specs are simply extensions to your character, not overpowered overhauls. I know this from having a renegade; it's not better, it's just extra.
    and if your talking about the exploits players use to dominate other players/enemies, that's always going to happen no matter what the devs do. that's not exactly a problem you can fix even if a new game was created.

    Soulbeast is 100% an upgrade to damage on regular Ranger to the point that you cannot run base ranger in group content, you either do druid or SB.
    Weaver is required for eles to even be considered for group content these days due to the nerfs that base ele has obtained.
    Mirage is idiotically more powerful than base Mesmers.
    DD/DE is an upgrade on base thief.
    Holosmith is a massive upgrade to engineer.

    Almost all builds that are mainstream /require/ an elite spec due to the amount of damage, or utility they offer over the base spec, outside of players who "play how i want" very few people use base classes due to them being underpowered by themselves.

    Elite specs have made core content idiotically easy to the point that i cant recall ever dying in level 80 maps(core) on any of my characters running "meta" builds, and dungeons(Yes they are abandoned) can easily be be three manned where even after the nerfs they got before HoT and PoF went live they could not.

    The games balance needs to be looked at, across the board, two expansions in and with the third being held off till the end of season 5 this is probably the best time to do it.

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  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 10, 2018

    Gw3 is not going to happen. With all the money people have sunk into gw2, there would be a massive outrage over suddenly having it made irrelevant.
    Renegade is pretty much a downgrade for revenant over herald. The proffession really needs help.

  • Tzarakiel.7490Tzarakiel.7490 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 10, 2018

    It takes at around 5 years to develop a decent mmo. If Anet were to start development on gw3 now they would have to stop almost all releases for the period of the development or hire twice as many developers and fire them after the launch of gw3.

    PvP? What's that? Never heard of it.

  • Blude.6812Blude.6812 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Menadena.7482 said:
    gw3? ls5? Did I miss some major news stories or is this just speculating?

    Yep pure speculation and not using the search function.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Gw2 is still growing and expanding both in lore and potential with each new release..

    I'm not even remotely thinking of a Guildwars 3 at this point, Hell i'm hoping we're not even half way through the story yet.

    2 Dragons down, 4 to go and still no solution to how we're going to finally achieve this goal.
    So far we've got 1 ally who can supplant 1 dragon and she's too young to pull it off yet.

    Anet has gotten a lot better at building bigger and better living world releases as well as getting them out faster..
    Just look at the quality increase since living world 1..

    In my opinion Guildwars 2 has at least another 4-5 years in it before Anet will probably start looking into a new game.. and to be completely honest with you i'm not entirely sure their next game will be Guildwars 3..
    Surely after 2 decades Anet would want to move on to a new IP and do something different.. as much as I love Gw2 I honestly wouldn't blame them for wanting that.
    Besides it's not like Gw1 or Gw2 are going anywhere so long as Anet remains in business and the games have an active player base.