Norbi Pew Pew.4972 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Probably a bug but whenever Eternal Coliseum is in the map selection it gets picked every. single. time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermember.8941 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Probably not a bug. People simply have a difference preference than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norbi Pew Pew.4972 Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 @silvermember.8941 said:Probably not a bug. People simply have a difference preference than you.I have monitored it it in 10+ matches, and every time coliseum was in the selection it got picked even with 1 vote. Friends are telling me the same. I think there's a pattern there, doesn't seem like a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArenaNet Staff Ben Phongluangtham.1065 Posted September 12, 2017 ArenaNet Staff Share Posted September 12, 2017 We have logs of map vote choices. Coliseum is the most popular map in terms of voting right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddoctor.2738 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 I experienced this with both new maps, Coliseum and Capricorn, when there is a selection for either, the map chosen is always one of the two. It's frustrating to always play those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arionell.3574 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Its not rare than whenever a new map gets released, majority of the people will vote for it. People like you are just unlucky to play them over and over again even if they have a single vote :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norbi Pew Pew.4972 Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:We have logs of map vote choices. Coliseum is the most popular map in terms of voting right now. Thank you for the response but that's completely irrelevant. I didn't say "this map wins often!", I said it's literally impossible for any of the other 2 maps to be selected when Coliseum is one of the options. It'll always be picked over the other 2 by the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArenaNet Staff Cal Cohen.3527 Posted September 12, 2017 ArenaNet Staff Share Posted September 12, 2017 @Norbi Pew Pew.4972 said:@"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:We have logs of map vote choices. Coliseum is the most popular map in terms of voting right now. Thank you for the response but that's completely irrelevant. I didn't say "this map wins often!", I said it's literally impossible for any of the other 2 maps to be selected when Coliseum is one of the options. It'll always be picked over the other 2 by the system.For funzies I pulled the last 10,000 times Coliseum has appeared as a voting option in ranked. Out of those 10,000, Coliseum was the winning map 4,365 times (43.65%). Of course there are varying amounts of votes in every case, but there has been "bad luck" in both directions. Some cases had 9/10 votes for Coliseum and it wasn't selected, and some cases there were 1/10 votes and it was selected. Nothing in the data looks too unusual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithranArkanere.8957 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 This is not true. I clearly remember several instances of Coliseum and Revenge of the Capricorn being 2 of the options, but the 3rd one being the one picked. In one instance when the third one had only one vote. Skyhammer. By me. Probably a confirmation bias on your side. You are remembering more clearly all the times when Coliseum gets picked, but not noticing or forgetting when it doesn't happen, just how I remember more clearly how I got away with getting the map I wanted with one vote than any other votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aenaos.8160 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Rigged or not,there truly ain't a low enough percentage for this map to be the winning map.Only 0% would be acceptable.Maybe that's why players feel this way,although the statistics show otherwise.Spirit Watch is a lot better,and can produce more interesting fights than those you get at the mini zergfest arena that is Clsm(I removed the vowels for artistic reasons). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mireles Lore.5942 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 @Cal Cohen.3527 said:@Norbi Pew Pew.4972 said:@"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:We have logs of map vote choices. Coliseum is the most popular map in terms of voting right now. Thank you for the response but that's completely irrelevant. I didn't say "this map wins often!", I said it's literally impossible for any of the other 2 maps to be selected when Coliseum is one of the options. It'll always be picked over the other 2 by the system.For funzies I pulled the last 10,000 times Coliseum has appeared as a voting option in ranked. Out of those 10,000, Coliseum was the winning map 4,365 times (43.65%). Of course there are varying amounts of votes in every case, but there has been "bad luck" in both directions. Some cases had 9/10 votes for Coliseum and it wasn't selected, and some cases there were 1/10 votes and it was selected. Nothing in the data looks too unusual.Would it be to much trouble to ask out of the last 10k or so matches how many times Coliseum was an option? While there might not to much skew in the actual voted 1/3 selection, I feel like Coliseum is a choice much more often than when it does not appear as one. As well as some other maps not appearing nearly as often such as Spirit Watch.I feel OPs pain. I have simply stopped trying to go after map based AP points because I can not escape this map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArenaNet Staff Cal Cohen.3527 Posted September 12, 2017 ArenaNet Staff Share Posted September 12, 2017 @Mireles Lore.5942 said:@Cal Cohen.3527 said:@Norbi Pew Pew.4972 said:@"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:We have logs of map vote choices. Coliseum is the most popular map in terms of voting right now. Thank you for the response but that's completely irrelevant. I didn't say "this map wins often!", I said it's literally impossible for any of the other 2 maps to be selected when Coliseum is one of the options. It'll always be picked over the other 2 by the system.For funzies I pulled the last 10,000 times Coliseum has appeared as a voting option in ranked. Out of those 10,000, Coliseum was the winning map 4,365 times (43.65%). Of course there are varying amounts of votes in every case, but there has been "bad luck" in both directions. Some cases had 9/10 votes for Coliseum and it wasn't selected, and some cases there were 1/10 votes and it was selected. Nothing in the data looks too unusual.Would it be to much trouble to ask out of the last 10k or so matches how many times Coliseum was an option? While there might not to much skew in the actual voted 1/3 selection, I feel like Coliseum is a choice much more often than when it does not appear as one. As well as some other maps not appearing nearly as often such as Spirit Watch.I feel OPs pain. I have simply stopped trying to go after map based AP points because I can not escape this map.Voting appearances from the last 10k ranked matches:Temple 4357Skyhammer 4325Kyhlo 4289Coliseum 4281Capricorn 4269Forest 4267Foefire 4212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mireles Lore.5942 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 @Cal Cohen.3527 said:@Mireles Lore.5942 said:@Cal Cohen.3527 said:@Norbi Pew Pew.4972 said:@"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:We have logs of map vote choices. Coliseum is the most popular map in terms of voting right now. Thank you for the response but that's completely irrelevant. I didn't say "this map wins often!", I said it's literally impossible for any of the other 2 maps to be selected when Coliseum is one of the options. It'll always be picked over the other 2 by the system.For funzies I pulled the last 10,000 times Coliseum has appeared as a voting option in ranked. Out of those 10,000, Coliseum was the winning map 4,365 times (43.65%). Of course there are varying amounts of votes in every case, but there has been "bad luck" in both directions. Some cases had 9/10 votes for Coliseum and it wasn't selected, and some cases there were 1/10 votes and it was selected. Nothing in the data looks too unusual.Would it be to much trouble to ask out of the last 10k or so matches how many times Coliseum was an option? While there might not to much skew in the actual voted 1/3 selection, I feel like Coliseum is a choice much more often than when it does not appear as one. As well as some other maps not appearing nearly as often such as Spirit Watch.I feel OPs pain. I have simply stopped trying to go after map based AP points because I can not escape this map.Voting appearances from the last 10k ranked matches:Temple 4357Skyhammer 4325Kyhlo 4289Coliseum 4281Capricorn 4269Forest 4267Foefire 4212I guess it really is confirmation bias then. I mostly play unranked no though, but I would assume that selection is similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bopha Debs.3290 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 TFW statistics prove that its all in your head time and time again. unlucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luto.1938 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 I love how the game gives you a "Favorite map" stat in your PvP window, but it doesn't calculate the map that you actually vote for but calculates the map you are put into instead. My most hated map is marked as my favorite. :# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaimon.7823 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Absolutely wrong, the randomizer is clearly in favor of Nifhel, even when there's only 1/10 votes for Nifhel, it ALWAYS lands without fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omcrazy.4756 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 @Amaimon.7823 said:Absolutely wrong, the randomizer is clearly in favor of Nifhel, even when there's only 1/10 votes for Nifhel, it ALWAYS lands without failCan't tell if sarcastic or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaimon.7823 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 @Omcrazy.4756 said:@Amaimon.7823 said:Absolutely wrong, the randomizer is clearly in favor of Nifhel, even when there's only 1/10 votes for Nifhel, it ALWAYS lands without failCan't tell if sarcastic or not.no sacrasm at all, pure, 5 years experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omcrazy.4756 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 @Amaimon.7823 said:@Omcrazy.4756 said:@Amaimon.7823 said:Absolutely wrong, the randomizer is clearly in favor of Nifhel, even when there's only 1/10 votes for Nifhel, it ALWAYS lands without failCan't tell if sarcastic or not.no sacrasm at all, pure, 5 years experienceThen its just confirmation bias. I will believe the Anet guy posting stats over a random poster with a vague and unlikely complaint. For what its worth, I land in Nifhel the least and have plenty of maps where its a choice, gets voted on, and we land somewhere else.If you really want to determine whether your luck runs one way or another then you should start tracking your games. Note each map's choice, how the votes turned out, and what the result was. Just keep in mind you won't get anywhere near statistically relevant for a long time. But even with a low population size I would be very surprised if you don't quickly see your assertion is inaccurate.Of course, I don't for a second expect you will actually bother doing this. Complaining is a lot less work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippage.1983 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 @Cal Cohen.3527 said:@Mireles Lore.5942 said:@Cal Cohen.3527 said:@Norbi Pew Pew.4972 said:@"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:We have logs of map vote choices. Coliseum is the most popular map in terms of voting right now. Thank you for the response but that's completely irrelevant. I didn't say "this map wins often!", I said it's literally impossible for any of the other 2 maps to be selected when Coliseum is one of the options. It'll always be picked over the other 2 by the system.For funzies I pulled the last 10,000 times Coliseum has appeared as a voting option in ranked. Out of those 10,000, Coliseum was the winning map 4,365 times (43.65%). Of course there are varying amounts of votes in every case, but there has been "bad luck" in both directions. Some cases had 9/10 votes for Coliseum and it wasn't selected, and some cases there were 1/10 votes and it was selected. Nothing in the data looks too unusual.Would it be to much trouble to ask out of the last 10k or so matches how many times Coliseum was an option? While there might not to much skew in the actual voted 1/3 selection, I feel like Coliseum is a choice much more often than when it does not appear as one. As well as some other maps not appearing nearly as often such as Spirit Watch.I feel OPs pain. I have simply stopped trying to go after map based AP points because I can not escape this map.Voting appearances from the last 10k ranked matches:Temple 4357Skyhammer 4325Kyhlo 4289Coliseum 4281Capricorn 4269Forest 4267Foefire 4212rekt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kKagari.6804 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Where exactly IS Nifhel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyra.4709 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Thanks for the post, Cal. Interesting votes. I always choose Coliseum when things like Skyhammer or Khylo pop up. Remember, some players are hunting for achievements so there's a slight chance they'll choose that map they otherwise wouldn't bother with previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rank eleven monk.9502 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Year 2117: People still don't understand the concept of 'random' and 'big numbers'. 10+ matches is not a pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenStarRo.7240 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I did Foefire and Temple today while Coliseum was on the vote. I know because I actually voted Coliseum over them. It's just bad luck of the draw, the system is not rigged in favor of any map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chibi.2537 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Well, I came back after 4-5 months break so I usually pick Coliseum when available because it's fast and focused on killing (and playing a power/survival ranger it suits me). But lately I noticed that Capricorn gets selecte 9/10 times when it's available. So I'd say it's rigged in favor of Capricorn, but I don't mind and I don't really hate any map but I loved the old Skyhammer and Khylo more than the new ones. And what I regret most about the maps is that I didn't play PvP when the underwater map was available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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