07/10 balance patch - Unnecessary further nerf to necro.

With previous nerf to Sand Savant it was truly unnecessary to nerf Necro even more (especially Dhuumfire).

I tend to agree... as a reaper, I always looked down on scourges as ugly cousins, but at least they were family. The last patch seemed to have tamed them a bit, but this one really makes me want to call them up and ask if they're okay.

@Brigg.3961 said:I tend to agree... as a reaper, I always looked down on scourges as ugly cousins, but at least they were family. The last patch seemed to have tamed them a bit, but this one really makes me want to call them up and ask if they're okay.

No we're not ok. The nerf to epi I can handle, but that dhuumfire CD is just ridiculous! If you're going to nerf epi, at least compensate with more personal dps not less!

It nerfs scourge, reaper and core-necro are kinda untouched, only the epidemic-change reduces the viability of the whole class.

I think if they are willing to nerf traits like dhuumsfire for scourge why cant they be made stronger for core?

This is the kind of thing that kinda bugs me. Dhuums fire with no cooldown isok on reaper melee autoBut was over powering on scourge with no cooldownBut seriously lacking in power for a grand master with Core.

Although there were some nice side buffs in other areas

• Siphoned Power
• Corrupt Boon
• Death Spiral
• Life Siphon (this one is questionable on play preference)

Also no clean up between underwater core shroud and land core shroud... ANET PLS! STILL WT.......efff!

I wish I had core necro shroud in the water instead of scourge skills. It's way better in the water than on land and necro water weapons are kind of blah.

there was no need to nerf necro further after SS nerf. .This change has been made to please bronze/silver/gold players cause they cant l2p. Scourge is literally unplayable now.

As a condi scourge main who strive for dps in fractal, this patch is a major letdown to me. The feeling is probably worse than when they added 0.5 sec CDs to scourge 's profession skills :(

Yep, I feel bad for you guys...

Too many loud mouths complained about epi and other things, and this is what anet decided to balance..

My suggestion.. find out who these loud mouths are , rally up together and get their class nerfed.. and see how they like it when combined power of loudmouths bite back against them.

@Arzurag.7506 said:It nerfs scourge, reaper and core-necro are kinda untouched, only the epidemic-change reduces the viability of the whole class.

Nope.It nerfs cor even more as it was completely useless, but it had at least epi to do bounces.And scepter nerf is also huge for core

they should just rework scourge at this point. This is just a huge joke.

@Luca.4670 said:they should just rework scourge at this point. This is just a huge joke.

They should rework most the profession as a whole at this point scourge included

Don't forget the scepter nerf with feast of corruption and lol at them turning the 0.5 second dhumfire cooldown bug into a 3 second cooldown feature.

@Brigg.3961 said:I tend to agree... as a reaper, I always looked down on scourges as ugly cousins, but at least they were family. The last patch seemed to have tamed them a bit, but this one really makes me want to call them up and ask if they're okay.

Nope, some of us are probably on the edge of a bridge.

Actually I think people should wait for new benchmarks 1st. Although it is quite obvious that Scourges are still going to be at the bottom but maybeeee not much will change, just disappointing.

@"Luca.4670" said:there was no need to nerf necro further after SS nerf. .This change has been made to please bronze/silver/gold players cause they cant l2p. Scourge is literally unplayable now.

When was that not the case? PvP is devoid of most of the old "elite" pvpers, that game mode has been ruled by the whims of the reward farmers almost since they added ranked mode and it's way too good rewards.It's been the source of a lot of bad decisions that affected the rest of the game, simply because PvP is too good as a farm, most notably the Grandmaster Marks for Ascended gear.

Scourge was badly handled since the start, they constantly fail to address the actual issue, which is how Shades work, and instead of reworking their mechanic, they keep mangling and breaking the parts that were working. It's unlikely that we'll ever see scourge being decently balanced ever, unless some dev gets some courage and reworks the shade mechanic, by adding some interaction with it.If shades worked marginally like the summons for Renegade, but instead of dying from people breathing on them, they had a break bar to destroy them, scourges could just be rolled back to how they were at launch, after they fixed the weird bugs that were doubling effects and the like. Every pain point of the class in PvP modes can be resolved if other players can get rid of their shades.

Necro just had a balance patch but condi dps is still scepter AA, Deathly Chill, and Epidemic. Why?I am confused. Was this a balance patch or a search for nails standing up too far?

The ICD on Dhuumfire was completely unwarranted in PVE and in Wvw/pvp. Scourge is pointless to play now. Feelsbadman... The nerfs to condi in general w/ the nerfs to scourge previously it was finally starting to feel normalized and in a decent place. Now its pointless to even play. Not to mention in PVE it wasnt even a top tier class the dps is spunk compared to other classes. Scourges in my static fractal group when we have to pug were already on a /kick status....I really hope someone revists this. The skills were given delays its better telegraphed increased the CDs it was in a good place...now it just collects dust in my character select screen

@"Anchoku.8142" said:Necro just had a balance patch but condi dps is still scepter AA, Deathly Chill, and Epidemic. Why?I am confused. Was this a balance patch or a search for nails standing up too far?

Probably because condi reaper had as much dps than scourge but where viper reaper gained extra power dps on top of it's condi dps, scourge lost dps. Thus, condi reaper became the most optimal dps spec. As for epidemic which can now only be used for killing trash, it is still the only reason a necromancer is welcome in a raid.

In a way, it's balance, reaper is now the "dps" spec and scourge the "support" spec.

@ReaverKane.7598 said:

@"Luca.4670" said:there was no need to nerf necro further after SS nerf. .

This change has been made to please bronze/silver/gold players cause they cant l2p.

Scourge is literally unplayable now.

The real truth are the players that never l2p against scourge despite tons of nerfs. Acutally scourge didnt need any nerf since the "delay" on shade activation. Scourge aoe was already a joke to avoid then SS nerf? now Dhuumfire? you just killed a class completely in all game modes cause some scrub cant l2p or accept that other ppl liked scourge playstyle.

@Luca.4670 said:

@ReaverKane.7598 said:

@Luca.4670 said:there was no need to nerf necro further after SS nerf. .

This change has been made to please bronze/silver/gold players cause they cant l2p.

Scourge is literally unplayable now.

Even before the delay scourge could be beaten easily by other scourges (that's more like who's the best scourge, or who had plague signet off cool down), Rangers and Deadeyes were also pretty powerful vs Scourges.Basically it was always a matter of bursting him down with ranged power attacks. Of course if you don't kill him fast you'd have to forfeit the point.But here's where you see that GW2 is very devoid of actual pvp players. Because in other PvP games, when you have something OP but with a clear counter, that counter becomes the meta. That shift never happened in GW2, because players don't know how to play pvp.

@ReaverKane.7598 said:

@Luca.4670 said:

@ReaverKane.7598 said:

@Luca.4670 said:there was no need to nerf necro further after SS nerf. .

This change has been made to please bronze/silver/gold players cause they cant l2p.

Scourge is literally unplayable now.

Dont forget that the real killer of the necros in general is CC spam, which is very prevalent in this meta :)

@Luca.4670 said:

@ReaverKane.7598 said:

@Luca.4670 said:

@ReaverKane.7598 said:

@Luca.4670 said:there was no need to nerf necro further after SS nerf. .

This change has been made to please bronze/silver/gold players cause they cant l2p.

Scourge is literally unplayable now.

True, Necros in general have low Stab outputs, although scourge is better in that aspect due to trail of anguish. I haven't played sPvP since the season after PoF release, but i never had much trouble with cc, trail of anguish and a few well placed Reaper's mark or Garish Pillar will prevent some of the CC outputs by interrupting them. But again that's a matter of experience!

Necro players were complaining about how they were unwanted in raids, then they discovered a way to work epidemics together and form necro parties to do raids.Then Epidemic is nerfed and we went back again. At least they should remove Epidemic's projectiles and revert it to its original instant form.

@Umut.5471 said:Necro players were complaining about how they were unwanted in raids, then they discovered a way to work epidemics together and form necro parties to do raids.Then Epidemic is nerfed and we went back again. At least they should remove Epidemic's projectiles and revert it to its original instant form.

The instant version had to be changed because when 200 players are close to each other in wvw, the stress it put on the servers seized uo everyone's skill casts. No player could take an action except for moving.

What killed the Scourge in WvW was the added "light show" ANet put in to show baddies where the shades were. Everyone sees the scary red lights and cries OP. The delay itself was enough of a nerf to warrant added time to look at the class, but nope go with the whiny flow. Scourge is a bag (without a babysitter) to most every class with 1200 range(if they're not brain dead), let alone 1500 range classes, stunlock thieves, and insta-kill mesmers.