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Bug Abusing for End Game Achievements "Demons Demise" & "Voice in the Void"

Jaffa.1845Jaffa.1845 Member

With the recent Flame Trap and Deadeye bugs granting extreme DPS, people have been abusing these bugs to complete raid challenge motes granting them high tier achievements and prestige that others, like myself have worked hard towards getting. Titles such as voice in the void and demons demise.
Will there be any repercussions for just outright abusing bugs to gain these rewards or will they just get a slap on the wrist and be told not to do it again, basically giving a big middle finger to the people who actually did work hard for the achievement?

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  • jokobet.6081jokobet.6081 Member ✭✭

    I very much hope that the unfairly gained titles and rewards get removed from those accounts, otherwise it is a huge slap in the face of all those who did acquire them through hard work. Same applies to skipping fractal CM bosses. You are losing all credibility if you don't do this!

  • thrag.9740thrag.9740 Member ✭✭✭

    I agree using the dead eye bug should have titles revoked. I tested dead eye myself and was able to break 150k without a rapid fire clicker. However, flame trap, i'm not so sure. I don't think it was so strong as to be game breaking, at least at dhuum cm. Soul beast was only benching 43k with that bug. We have had times where ele is near that on large hit box, so its not like they were doing dps that is straight impossible without a bug. Shoot, often meta builds are 20% above non meta builds such as necro, well 43K is less than 20% above the non-bugged meta builds like condi mirage last patch. That dps is good, but not so high that you can just ignore everything like dead eye bug could have.

    Based on the times where ele has been above 40k, it was still worth it to run 2 chronos, a druid, and a bs. Well you also need a kiter for dhuum, so that leaves you with only 5 spots to fill with condi soul beasts. And your still left with how to strip boons from dhuum (ranger has no boon strip). I guess you could run a spell breaker bs to drop bubble, but its good to have redundancy on your boon strip just in case. So then your other option is to have a chrono bring disenchanter, in which case your alacrity will be even worse than it already is (its going to be bad for at least 1 soul beast as 1 chrono will be doing greens for sure), or replace a soul beast with something like a condi rev or a spell breaker?

    Considering epi bouncing was in game 1 week ago, I don't think a group that used condi soul beasts should have the titled removed. My group has been running dhuum cm for the past couple months, we have tried epi strat and non-epi strat. Monday we tried with epi strat, today we tried with holosmiths and dead eyes (this was after tonights patch). Given the choice between trying to get a group to kill dhuum cm with 4 or 5 bugged soul beasts, vs 5 epi bounce necros, I think I would probably take the necro group. A built in condi clense and built in boon strip along with life force generation just makes necro such a good pick for dhuum if it could just have competitive dps.

    But at the end of the day, what was killing my dhuum cm group tonight? or over the course of the last few months? I can tell you, a single wipe was low dps (of course that low dps was due to 3 mechanical deaths), all the others were mechanics. I really don't think flame trap is all that much of an advantage in the grand scheme of the fight.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Iirc last time ppl exploited the title anet didnt do anything. I doubt they will now.

  • Raizel.8175Raizel.8175 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You can also just buy these titles. "Hard work" indeed.

  • @Vinceman.4572 said:
    Save your time. They won't be revoked.
    "Voice in the Void" and "Leave No Heros Behind" were already worthless when you could exploit Dhuum CM while he was still sitting on the throne and Arkk had no anomaly for several days.
    In the end it's just a game and your achievement is a pixel one. If you really feel to get your "hard work" rewarded go achieve something in rl. Try to cure cancer, help orphans, fight against poverty... ;)

    @Raizel.8175 said:
    You can also just buy these titles. "Hard work" indeed.

    LOVE IT.

  • polvere.2805polvere.2805 Member ✭✭✭

    Why do you even care if someone exploited to get an achievement in a game with no real life consequences?

    I mean the only thing that comes out is that there are really sad people that abuse non intended exploits in a game where they should be playing for fun.
    Very smart, must feel really good

  • Feanor.2358Feanor.2358 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Heh... apparently the number of unlocks on efficiency jumped from ~1% to ~4%, Nice exploits boiz.

  • Cynn.1659Cynn.1659 Member ✭✭✭

    @Jaffa.1845 said:
    With the recent Flame Trap and Deadeye bugs granting extreme DPS, people have been abusing these bugs to complete raid challenge motes granting them high tier achievements and prestige that others, like myself have worked hard towards getting. Titles such as voice in the void and demons demise.
    Will there be any repercussions for just outright abusing bugs to gain these rewards or will they just get a slap on the wrist and be told not to do it again, basically giving a big middle finger to the people who actually did work hard for the achievement?

    Anet doesn't care. People exploited in the past, they did nothing. Didn't even revoke their titles.

  • Exo.2143Exo.2143 Member ✭✭

    @Cynn.1659 said:

    @Jaffa.1845 said:
    With the recent Flame Trap and Deadeye bugs granting extreme DPS, people have been abusing these bugs to complete raid challenge motes granting them high tier achievements and prestige that others, like myself have worked hard towards getting. Titles such as voice in the void and demons demise.
    Will there be any repercussions for just outright abusing bugs to gain these rewards or will they just get a slap on the wrist and be told not to do it again, basically giving a big middle finger to the people who actually did work hard for the achievement?

    Anet doesn't care. People exploited in the past, they did nothing. Didn't even revoke their titles.

    Please, get your facts straight. They added a title when you could cheese Deimos out. Silent Savior was the intentional title, then they added Demon's Demise after the fix.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Only very very few people did this anyway, I don't think it made the title any less "valuable"

    Logging out forever.

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2018

    As always Anet will do nothing because they have no respect for their own content and just look at the upcoming shiny (taken from the last AMA)

    @Raizel.8175 said:
    You can also just buy these titles. "Hard work" indeed.

    I dont think buying is a problem
    1) the sellers must lowman it so someone else put legitimately in the effort to do the encounter plus some more because lowman
    2) the buyer must get the gold somehow, 1k+ for dhuum cm is a lot of gold for the majority of players

    It is in no way comparable to exploiting

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  • Feanor.2358Feanor.2358 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Only very very few people did this anyway, I don't think it made the title any less "valuable"

    Well... roughly 3 times as many as those who did it legitimately. So I'd say it made it about 4 times less valuable.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Only very very few people did this anyway, I don't think it made the title any less "valuable"

    Well... roughly 3 times as many as those who did it legitimately. So I'd say it made it about 4 times less valuable.

    Nah, not all of these 1% got theirs "legitimately" either.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • maxwelgm.4315maxwelgm.4315 Member ✭✭✭

    If they revoke the title due to bugs in virtue of people cheating it, what do we say about people who buy the title? (I mean, I doubt the sellers are not selling at all, the LFG is up there all day long) I'm not saying this is doesn't feel unfair, it does, but yet, there's nothing much to be done about it, there is always a way to be "cheap" even with Legendary Armor if you so wanted the skins.

  • Feanor.2358Feanor.2358 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @maxwelgm.4315 said:
    If they revoke the title due to bugs in virtue of people cheating it, what do we say about people who buy the title? (I mean, I doubt the sellers are not selling at all, the LFG is up there all day long) I'm not saying this is doesn't feel unfair, it does, but yet, there's nothing much to be done about it, there is always a way to be "cheap" even with Legendary Armor if you so wanted the skins.

    To be fair, buying the title at least costs something. Be it in-game effort or real money turned to gold. Cheesing by exploiting a bug someone else found costs nothing, so I'd say it's the worse offense and it is kind of justified to be revoked. Not that I expect ANet to do that.

  • thrag.9740thrag.9740 Member ✭✭✭

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @maxwelgm.4315 said:
    If they revoke the title due to bugs in virtue of people cheating it, what do we say about people who buy the title? (I mean, I doubt the sellers are not selling at all, the LFG is up there all day long) I'm not saying this is doesn't feel unfair, it does, but yet, there's nothing much to be done about it, there is always a way to be "cheap" even with Legendary Armor if you so wanted the skins.

    To be fair, buying the title at least costs something. Be it in-game effort or real money turned to gold. Cheesing by exploiting a bug someone else found costs nothing, so I'd say it's the worse offense and it is kind of justified to be revoked. Not that I expect ANet to do that.

    I think he is pointing out that if you just do a pure role back, there are legit groups, including those who bought it during that time?

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    With instance selling being allowed, none of them had any worth to begin with.

  • Imperadordf.2687Imperadordf.2687 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:
    With instance selling being allowed, none of them had any worth to begin with.

    They had.
    They had about 1.5-2K gold worth.

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Imperadordf.2687 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:
    With instance selling being allowed, none of them had any worth to begin with.

    They had.
    They had about 1.5-2K gold worth.

    You can still sell them, probably for less if potential customers exploited them. Still, instance selling is not officially supported, so your loss is not economical problem for anet to solve.

  • Imperadordf.2687Imperadordf.2687 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Imperadordf.2687 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:
    With instance selling being allowed, none of them had any worth to begin with.

    They had.
    They had about 1.5-2K gold worth.

    You can still sell them, probably for less if potential customers exploited them. Still, instance selling is not officially supported, so your loss is not economical problem for anet to solve.

    In my opinion it can be solved by revoking those titles from people who exploited the bug, but I don't wanna get into a pointless discussion.

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Imperadordf.2687 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Imperadordf.2687 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:
    With instance selling being allowed, none of them had any worth to begin with.

    They had.
    They had about 1.5-2K gold worth.

    You can still sell them, probably for less if potential customers exploited them. Still, instance selling is not officially supported, so your loss is not economical problem for anet to solve.

    In my opinion it can be solved by revoking those titles from people who exploited the bug, but I don't wanna get into a pointless discussion.

    But this bug doesn't cause any harm to the game, therefore it's very unlikely they gonna do anything about it. It's their fault afterall.

  • FrizzFreston.5290FrizzFreston.5290 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2018

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Imperadordf.2687 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Imperadordf.2687 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:
    With instance selling being allowed, none of them had any worth to begin with.

    They had.
    They had about 1.5-2K gold worth.

    You can still sell them, probably for less if potential customers exploited them. Still, instance selling is not officially supported, so your loss is not economical problem for anet to solve.

    In my opinion it can be solved by revoking those titles from people who exploited the bug, but I don't wanna get into a pointless discussion.

    But this bug doesn't cause any harm to the game, therefore it's very unlikely they gonna do anything about it. It's their fault afterall.

    Back in the day, they banned / suspended users for exploiting these kinda bugs. But alot has changed in 5 years I guess. (Although some of those may have been more economical of impact, but still)

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2018

    @FrizzFreston.5290 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Imperadordf.2687 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Imperadordf.2687 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:
    With instance selling being allowed, none of them had any worth to begin with.

    They had.
    They had about 1.5-2K gold worth.

    You can still sell them, probably for less if potential customers exploited them. Still, instance selling is not officially supported, so your loss is not economical problem for anet to solve.

    In my opinion it can be solved by revoking those titles from people who exploited the bug, but I don't wanna get into a pointless discussion.

    But this bug doesn't cause any harm to the game, therefore it's very unlikely they gonna do anything about it. It's their fault afterall.

    Back in the day, they banned / suspended users for exploiting these kinda bugs. But alot has changed in 5 years I guess. (Although some of those may have been more economical of impact, but still)

    I think it is almost impossible to get permanently banned in this game nowadays. You would have to do something like payment fraud, real life threats or multiple instance of cheating / real money trade. Possibly some economic affecting exploits like duping items might also qualify, but those happen rarely.

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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @FrizzFreston.5290 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Imperadordf.2687 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Imperadordf.2687 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:
    With instance selling being allowed, none of them had any worth to begin with.

    They had.
    They had about 1.5-2K gold worth.

    You can still sell them, probably for less if potential customers exploited them. Still, instance selling is not officially supported, so your loss is not economical problem for anet to solve.

    In my opinion it can be solved by revoking those titles from people who exploited the bug, but I don't wanna get into a pointless discussion.

    But this bug doesn't cause any harm to the game, therefore it's very unlikely they gonna do anything about it. It's their fault afterall.

    Back in the day, they banned / suspended users for exploiting these kinda bugs. But alot has changed in 5 years I guess. (Although some of those may have been more economical of impact, but still)

    You're speaking as if many of the initial people that got Dhuum CM didn't get it by using a different kind of bug.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • FrizzFreston.5290FrizzFreston.5290 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Dont worry guys, I'm not asking for people to get banned or suspended over cheating or exploiting a bug. Just wanted to point out the difference between then and now. And that while a bug may be Anets fault, it does not give you any protection if they decide to act on it.

    I really dont care much whether you actually did myself. Anet can very easily make that decision.

  • Felipe.1807Felipe.1807 Member ✭✭✭

    Wasting your time, Anet didnt do nothing against sPvP players that exploited, they still have their titles and everything.

  • TexZero.7910TexZero.7910 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Felipe.1807 said:
    Wasting your time, Anet didnt do nothing against sPvP players that exploited, they still have their titles and everything.

    That's not true. They've even put up post saying the exact opposite. That not only were the gains removed but they have dishonor for extremely lengthy period of times (i think its like 60 days could be more).

  • Felipe.1807Felipe.1807 Member ✭✭✭

    @TexZero.7910 said:

    @Felipe.1807 said:
    Wasting your time, Anet didnt do nothing against sPvP players that exploited, they still have their titles and everything.

    That's not true. They've even put up post saying the exact opposite. That not only were the gains removed but they have dishonor for extremely lengthy period of times (i think its like 60 days could be more).

    Did they? I could bet i saw one them with God of PvP title...and i think was 3 months of dishonor.

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @FrizzFreston.5290 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Imperadordf.2687 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Imperadordf.2687 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:
    With instance selling being allowed, none of them had any worth to begin with.

    They had.
    They had about 1.5-2K gold worth.

    You can still sell them, probably for less if potential customers exploited them. Still, instance selling is not officially supported, so your loss is not economical problem for anet to solve.

    In my opinion it can be solved by revoking those titles from people who exploited the bug, but I don't wanna get into a pointless discussion.

    But this bug doesn't cause any harm to the game, therefore it's very unlikely they gonna do anything about it. It's their fault afterall.

    Back in the day, they banned / suspended users for exploiting these kinda bugs. But alot has changed in 5 years I guess. (Although some of those may have been more economical of impact, but still)

    Only if you were selling bugged instances. To this day you can exploit Arah or AC and until you try to profit on these exploits, you'r efine.

  • Etheri.5406Etheri.5406 Member ✭✭✭✭

    PvE titles will always be useless in GW2. All titles are entirely sellable and thus hold no value or skill. No bosses that can't be 9 manned will ever be released because the low skill of the general population. A boss that the vast majority of the population wouldn't stand a chance... And that's something many players can't live with.

  • Feanor.2358Feanor.2358 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Etheri.5406 said:
    PvE titles will always be useless in GW2. All titles are entirely sellable and thus hold no value or skill. No bosses that can't be 9 manned will ever be released because the low skill of the general population. A boss that the vast majority of the population wouldn't stand a chance... And that's something many players can't live with.

    Please buy Envoy's Herald.

  • Etheri.5406Etheri.5406 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Etheri.5406 said:
    PvE titles will always be useless in GW2. All titles are entirely sellable and thus hold no value or skill. No bosses that can't be 9 manned will ever be released because the low skill of the general population. A boss that the vast majority of the population wouldn't stand a chance... And that's something many players can't live with.

    Please buy Envoy's Herald.

    Envoy's herald is a grind title; not a skill title. The hardest part about envoy's herald is provisioner tokens.

    I mean surely you realise LI is also a joke. W1 was hard on release; now it's trivial yet one of the harder wings. Escort, trio, w4 first bosses are all genuine afk freefarm. River can be leeched for 4g for more free li too.

    Envoy's herald is as difficult as Yakslapper. It shows commitment to raiding; and I'll assume you're somewhat comfortable with raid bosses... but skill? hahahha.
    And if you have enough money; then yes envoy's herald is buyable. Truthfully; even without buying it how difficult is it for players to get carried through a full clear?

  • Feanor.2358Feanor.2358 Member ✭✭✭✭

    In theory if you have enough money every title is buyable. I mean, just buy ANet and make them award you the title in question, easy.
    My point was, titles like this are extremely impractical to buy. And they show what every other title shows - commitment to the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Etheri.5406 said:
    PvE titles will always be useless in GW2. All titles are entirely sellable and thus hold no value or skill. No bosses that can't be 9 manned will ever be released because the low skill of the general population. A boss that the vast majority of the population wouldn't stand a chance... And that's something many players can't live with.

    Please buy Envoy's Herald.

    A wvw guildie of mine has.

  • Feanor.2358Feanor.2358 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Etheri.5406 said:
    PvE titles will always be useless in GW2. All titles are entirely sellable and thus hold no value or skill. No bosses that can't be 9 manned will ever be released because the low skill of the general population. A boss that the vast majority of the population wouldn't stand a chance... And that's something many players can't live with.

    Please buy Envoy's Herald.

    A wvw guildie of mine has.

    Bought 750 boss kills? Yeah, I don't believe that.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2018

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Etheri.5406 said:
    PvE titles will always be useless in GW2. All titles are entirely sellable and thus hold no value or skill. No bosses that can't be 9 manned will ever be released because the low skill of the general population. A boss that the vast majority of the population wouldn't stand a chance... And that's something many players can't live with.

    Please buy Envoy's Herald.

    A wvw guildie of mine has.

    Bought 750 boss kills? Yeah, I don't believe that.

    My bad, he made at least one full leggy pve set. Will ask him later if he has the title tho. Thats it. Apologies. He does have 4 chak eggs tho, that much i can tell you guaranteed.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2018

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Etheri.5406 said:
    PvE titles will always be useless in GW2. All titles are entirely sellable and thus hold no value or skill. No bosses that can't be 9 manned will ever be released because the low skill of the general population. A boss that the vast majority of the population wouldn't stand a chance... And that's something many players can't live with.

    Please buy Envoy's Herald.

    A wvw guildie of mine has.

    Bought 750 boss kills? Yeah, I don't believe that.

    Seeing how much gold some of the TP barons have? Yeah, entirely possible. Although i agree that only for maybe a few players in the whole game.
    There was someone once claiming on reddit that he didn't bother buying raid kills for his armor, he went and bought the whole raid guild. Which might have been a joke, but with the amount of gold some players have (...or RL cash others might be willing to spend), it's not as impossible as it may seem.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Feanor.2358Feanor.2358 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I did not say it is not possible, I said I don't believe it.

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 18, 2018

    @TexZero.7910 said:

    @Felipe.1807 said:
    Wasting your time, Anet didnt do nothing against sPvP players that exploited, they still have their titles and everything.

    That's not true. They've even put up post saying the exact opposite. That not only were the gains removed but they have dishonor for extremely lengthy period of times (i think its like 60 days could be more).

    They make an example out of some people, usually after reddit outrages. If I would have to place bets I would say about 80-90% of the pvp leaderboard cheaters stay unharmed

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