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Real talk: Roller Beetle

What's the verdict on it? Is it a proper, generally useful mount worth bothering with or is it just another Skimmer/Bunny that you just bust out when you absolutely have to bypass a mount-specific obstacle?

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  • FrizzFreston.5290FrizzFreston.5290 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Great for long distances, not so much for short distances.

    Definitely a land griffon feeling. If you like the griffon flying, just becausr, then racing around on a rollerbeetle is equal to that. At least imo.

  • Endless Soul.5178Endless Soul.5178 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2018

    So far, I've really only found it useful for fast travel across a map (As in, from one side to the other), and the occasional race circuit. Other than that, I'm still using my other five mounts as needed.

    That 15 second spool-up is really far too long to make the beetle mount useful for anything else other than a quick smash through mobs.

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  • Vavume.8065Vavume.8065 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2018

    It's even less useful than the skimmer or bunny... I think it's great they are trying to create new mount types, it's just I don't find the beetle at all useful, it's either to fast or to slow for standard everyday riding.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I haven't unlocked the beetle yet but I did do a bounty train with lots of people who had it and really noticed I was lagging behind on my raptor. It didn't help that the commander had a beetle so he was probably choosing routes that were better for the beetle than the raptor, but the difference was huge. (Luckily it didn't matter because the commander was very strict that only he took the bounty contract and then he'd hang back from activating it until everyone was there.)

    But as someone who doesn't actually like to zoom across a map as fast as possible most of the time, because I'd rather take my time and look around as I'm going along, I can see myself using it sparingly. I already use the jackal or even the skimmer more than the raptor - for the slight increase in speed and the novelty without going so fast I worry I might miss something.

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  • Zephyr.5382Zephyr.5382 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2018

    Barring Kourna, you don't currently need to use the beetle to overcome obstacles in any map. In my opinion, it's just a novelty--albeit, a super fun one! I don't regret unlocking it.

  • Curunen.8729Curunen.8729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    lol, Skimmer and bunny are my favourite mounts together with the Beetle.

    One for casual floating over everything (effortless), one for going fast over land (fun), one to get up obstacles (useful).

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  • JDub.1530JDub.1530 Member ✭✭✭

    Beetle is useful. It's scope may be narrower than most mounts, but it does excel in some areas. Long distances, as already stated. Say you've just auto-leveled a new character to 80 and you need to unlock waypoints. Also remember that beetles will accelerate down hill. So if you mount at the top on an incline, it can help overcome the windup time of the boost.

    I also feel it has the highest skillcap of all mounts. You need to not only know its capabilities and limitations, but also be able to assess the terrain at a moment's notice and how to exploit it. It's kind of fun just taking it around to various maps and see how it performs in each one.

  • Biff.5312Biff.5312 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Skimmer and bunny are the most useful, after the raptor. It's the coyote that is only needed to get past a mount-specific obstacle.

  • First, the Roller Beetle is super fun... and I'm not even able to do make use of more than 4% of its potential.

    Second, it's also a bit too soon for most people to evaluate it. I remember feeling that the Jackal was a novelty, too, until I learned how to use the shadow-stepping abilities to do my bidding. That was even more true for the Griffon. I loved flying from great heights, but had trouble landing and aiming (heck, still have some trouble with that). Now, I love both of these mounts, too, and use them regularly.

    Finally, without being able to do much on the Beetle, I have used it successfully to traverse long maps (even ones with obstacles). I was able to go from Div Reach to Shadow Behemoth on a fogged map nearly as fast as it took a friend to waypoint (mostly because they forgot where to go at first). It's amazingly fast, even if I have trouble maintaining its speed.

    The main thing I'll need to figure out (besides just how to drive like Vin Diesel's character) is to anticipate wanting to use it 10 seconds beforehand. The special features of the other mounts are available on-demand, so I'll need more time to adjust to it.

    Short story: love it; might need another 3-4 months before I'll know if it will be relegated to tiny niche use or something more substantive.

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  • GDchiaScrub.3241GDchiaScrub.3241 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Breaks my immersion.

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  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @FrizzFreston.5290 said:
    Great for long distances, not so much for short distances.

    Definitely a land griffon feeling. If you like the griffon flying, just becausr, then racing around on a rollerbeetle is equal to that. At least imo.

    I disagree. Raptor is still better

  • Klipso.8653Klipso.8653 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Not useful

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  • Palador.2170Palador.2170 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The Beetle's spot isn't with your level 80, "I've been everywhere" character. It's with alts.

    You enter a new map, and zoom around for a while grabbing some waypoints here and there. Or get to that event on the far side of the map that you have no local waypoint for. Once you've done that, you can use the other mounts to help fill in the details.

    Of course, there's also riding it for fun. It can be fun.

    Finally, the attack is the worst of all of the mount attacks. It's hard to target, and will often leave you well out of melee range of whatever you were attacking. But not so far away that you can fight safely at range.

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  • Hyper Cutter.9376Hyper Cutter.9376 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's incredibly niche. It's really good at traversing long stretches of relatively flat land... and not much else. The massive wait for the endurance bar to fill really hurts it (also the god-awful turning radius).

    Also for some reason doing tricks always seems to reduce your endurance bar instead of filling it, I'm not sure if that's a bug or what.

  • MetalGirl.2370MetalGirl.2370 Member ✭✭✭

    I find it useless....by the time your bar fills to use the speed, I'll be there already with my raptor or jackal.

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  • FrizzFreston.5290FrizzFreston.5290 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hyper Cutter.9376 said:
    It's incredibly niche. It's really good at traversing long stretches of relatively flat land... and not much else. The massive wait for the endurance bar to fill really hurts it (also the god-awful turning radius).

    Also for some reason doing tricks always seems to reduce your endurance bar instead of filling it, I'm not sure if that's a bug or what.

    Maybe you need to do tricks while in the air, otherwise when youre still doing a trick as you land you lose endurance.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I use the beetle when I want to run from point A to point B fast, it's much faster than the Raptor or Jackal if no jumps are required. So it's amazing in most Core Tyria maps and most Path of Fire maps. Of course it's not as useful in Heart of Thorns (too many obstacles).
    If you can find a slope, the beetle will accelerate super fast without the need to use the special skill, saving you the need for endurance. Another good ability of the beetle is that it can glide on water like the skimmer, provided it reaches a high enough speed, perfect to traverse lakes and rivers without changing to another mount, plus it's much faster at that point than the skimmer.

  • Steve The Cynic.3217Steve The Cynic.3217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hyper Cutter.9376 said:
    (also the god-awful turning radius).

    Drifting is your friend. You need a little lead time, but the basic procedure is:

    • Start the turn using mouse-2 and drag so that you are looking in the direction you want to go afterwards.
    • Briefly hold the second-mount-skill button (mine is set to "S" but I believe the default is "C")
    • RELEASE the button. Do not hold it for more than a second or so.

    @FrizzFreston.5290 said:
    Maybe you need to do tricks while in the air, otherwise when youre still doing a trick as you land you lose endurance.

    The other point on tricks is that you cannot activate tricks if the boost phase is still active. Again, you need a little lead time, since you want the boost phase to still be active right up until the moment you leave the ground, but not a moment later.

    @Biff.5312 said:
    Exercise your whimsy.

  • @Hyper Cutter.9376 said:
    It's incredibly niche. It's really good at traversing long stretches of relatively flat land... and not much else. The massive wait for the endurance bar to fill really hurts it (also the god-awful turning radius).

    Also for some reason doing tricks always seems to reduce your endurance bar instead of filling it, I'm not sure if that's a bug or what.

    You have to complete the trick to gain endurance. If you land before completing the trick you take an endurance penalty.
    The turning circle can be overcome somewhat if you get good at the drifting mechanic.

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  • Manpag.6421Manpag.6421 Member ✭✭✭

    I use a lot of alts. I do a lot of map completion. The beetle may take a while to get going, but I can almost always find enough of a gentle gradient to get the speed higher than a raptor's in seconds, without having to boost. I'm no expert at drifting, but it really is a godsend for completing maps quickly. I've started completing maps in two stages: using a combination of beetle and griffon to get the waypoints and PoIs as efficiently as possible, then going back for hearts and hero points.

    If you're hopping on and off it's not that useful, but for any extended travel I actually find it more useful than the griffon. At least you can get full speed in more than just a handful of maps with enough elevation.

  • Brother.1504Brother.1504 Member ✭✭✭

    @Oglaf.1074 said:
    What's the verdict on it? Is it a proper, generally useful mount worth bothering with or is it just another Skimmer/Bunny that you just bust out when you absolutely have to bypass a mount-specific obstacle?

    The Roller Beetle mount is great. Btw I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the Skimmer and Springer, those mounts are extremely useful.

  • AliamRationem.5172AliamRationem.5172 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's definitely faster over distances. The problem is that if you want to stop for any reason (e.g. harvesting, chests, etc.) - or even if you don't and simply get dismounted by enemies (no evade) or slowed by terrain (uphill physics are terrible and the beetle can't jump) - you have to wait 15 seconds every time. Between overlap with other mounts (raptor/jackal over shorter distances, griffon where high speed flight is applicable), waypoints, and terrain limitations the beetle is impractical to use in most situations and just feels bad while you're waiting forever to boost your speed.

    It's worth getting, but I find it the most limited mount and the one I enjoy the least. They should really do something about that ridiculously long wait. Either make it shorter or change it so that you don't start with 0 endurance and can use a partial speed boost in some way.

  • Carighan.6758Carighan.6758 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I actually like how it doesn't truly have a niche (it only excels on super-long-distance travel over flat ground, which waypoints do a lot better and faster).

    Because, this way, the "proper" mounts don't get superceded by further additions which are - frankly - a pain to get now that interest in the new map has tapered off significantly. Rightfully so, considering how unfinished it is. Give it a few months, and it'll be ~impossible to get the meta step of this for most players without way-early organization, it's better if this mount is quite unnecessary for functionality.

  • Felipe.1807Felipe.1807 Member ✭✭✭

    Is just a fun mount, not really usefull at all...like the griffon you need to much preperation(right terrain) to get its full potential...so yeah, Raptor is much better...also Bettle is more like High Risk/Reward kind of mount...need to learn how it works(drift) or else you wont be able to make to much use of super speed and gonna end up hitting wall 100% of the time lol. And if your machine have low settings(like mine) Bettle is gonna be so fast that the game will have trouble loading...so yeah in the end even being faster I end up having FPS problems and I get slowed down, something that wouldnt happen with Raptor or Jackal.

  • AliamRationem.5172AliamRationem.5172 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Carighan.6758 said:
    I actually like how it doesn't truly have a niche (it only excels on super-long-distance travel over flat ground, which waypoints do a lot better and faster).

    Because, this way, the "proper" mounts don't get superceded by further additions which are - frankly - a pain to get now that interest in the new map has tapered off significantly. Rightfully so, considering how unfinished it is. Give it a few months, and it'll be ~impossible to get the meta step of this for most players without way-early organization, it's better if this mount is quite unnecessary for functionality.

    I've yet to see a single prediction of "impossible" events come true, so I'm just going to toss that concern on the pile with the rest. The meta on DoK is awful, but very easy to complete and with a collection behind it, you can rest assured people will still participate.

    As for mount overlap, you really have nothing to worry about here. The beetle can't jump. It's been said a thousand times. They could easily afford to make this mount usable without making it the go-to mount for everything because it simply isn't suitable to much of the terrain. Further, there are a range of potential solutions available between 100% speed boost on demand and the interminable 15 second wait every single time you mount up!

    Making this mount less annoying to use would be greatly appreciated. Nobody is asking for all speed boost all the time here.

  • Curunen.8729Curunen.8729 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2018

    Having used the beetle for quite some time now, I feel more able to know what kind of adjustments I'd like to see in the future, hopefully. Let me preface this by saying the beetle is still my second favourite mount, right behind the skimmer, so I love it anyway. That said it would be nice to see:

    1 - as many have said it would be great if it started at 50% endurance. Or potentially if there was a buff effect on your bar as soon as you dismount which lasts for say 10 seconds - which preserves the remaining endurance you had on the beetle should you remount it before the buff effect expires. This will allow short hop on/hop off for say harvesting, etc while saving the previous endurance state so it isn't such a chore

    2 - allow drifting sooner after boosting. Just a small/minor adjustment for quality of life.

    3 - Big Air is too punishing on failing to execute a full trick - the endurance loss on landing needs to be looked at because currently there's no point even trying to do a trick unless you get a HUGE jump, as you're better off letting the endurance passively refill.

    4 - potentially allow partial endurance boosting (just like the springer allows partial endurance use with the effect of smaller jump height). Either that or split the endurance bar into a number of parts (ie 3), that allow different levels of boost (ie 1 bar full = small boost, 2 bars = medium boost, 3 bars = max boost) - that would raise the depth and increase the skillcap while also being more flexible on varied terrain.

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  • sorudo.9054sorudo.9054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    to me it's useless in design and only made for fun, most maps have way to many obstacles to make the beetle even remotely useful.
    i use the jackal for the most part because i can survive falls that way, get to places other mounts cant get to and can change direction instantly.
    what can the beetle do, be fast.....that's it, any bump slows it down and every change of direction is a pain. (i know "get gut", drifting is done wrong so nope)

    overall, i rather be slower but there then be fast but take 2X longer to get there since it's useless anywhere but flat places.

  • JDub.1530JDub.1530 Member ✭✭✭

    @sorudo.9054 said:
    to me it's useless in design and only made for fun, most maps have way to many obstacles to make the beetle even remotely useful.
    i use the jackal for the most part because i can survive falls that way, get to places other mounts cant get to and can change direction instantly.
    what can the beetle do, be fast.....that's it, any bump slows it down and every change of direction is a pain. (i know "get gut", drifting is done wrong so nope)

    overall, i rather be slower but there then be fast but take 2X longer to get there since it's useless anywhere but flat places.

    Think of the number of maps with little to no water (All of HoT, Dry Top, Silverwastes, even Crystal Oasis and Desert Highlands have little content in their watery parts). So is skimmer in a much better place when it comes to being "remotely useful"? Beetle, IMO has a higher skill cap over other mounts and requires a lot of planning ahead...including while you're screaming along at 100 MPH. But I think it offers a lot of reward for those who will be able to master it.

  • sorudo.9054sorudo.9054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @JDub.1530 said:

    @sorudo.9054 said:
    to me it's useless in design and only made for fun, most maps have way to many obstacles to make the beetle even remotely useful.
    i use the jackal for the most part because i can survive falls that way, get to places other mounts cant get to and can change direction instantly.
    what can the beetle do, be fast.....that's it, any bump slows it down and every change of direction is a pain. (i know "get gut", drifting is done wrong so nope)

    overall, i rather be slower but there then be fast but take 2X longer to get there since it's useless anywhere but flat places.

    Think of the number of maps with little to no water (All of HoT, Dry Top, Silverwastes, even Crystal Oasis and Desert Highlands have little content in their watery parts). So is skimmer in a much better place when it comes to being "remotely useful"? Beetle, IMO has a higher skill cap over other mounts and requires a lot of planning ahead...including while you're screaming along at 100 MPH. But I think it offers a lot of reward for those who will be able to master it.

    the skimmer has the highest speed on water yet has better control, the beetle is only slightly faster and controls like hot butter.
    however, even without water, the skimmer has allot more use since it can glide upwards without slowing down and get over obstacles that would stop a beetle in it's tracks

  • Kal Spiro.9745Kal Spiro.9745 Member ✭✭✭

    @Oglaf.1074 said:
    What's the verdict on it? Is it a proper, generally useful mount worth bothering with or is it just another Skimmer/Bunny that you just bust out when you absolutely have to bypass a mount-specific obstacle?

    Generally useful, no. It has only one use, getting long distances fast. It has some problems, the most important being that too many things that seem like they shouldn't impact it will stop it flat, but it is by far the best for map clearing. If you want to get from one end of any map to the other the beetle will do it fastest. I've been riding the beetle in place of waypointing, even over multiple zones because it can cross them so fast, it just makes it more fun.

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  • JDub.1530JDub.1530 Member ✭✭✭

    @sorudo.9054 said:

    @JDub.1530 said:

    @sorudo.9054 said:
    to me it's useless in design and only made for fun, most maps have way to many obstacles to make the beetle even remotely useful.
    i use the jackal for the most part because i can survive falls that way, get to places other mounts cant get to and can change direction instantly.
    what can the beetle do, be fast.....that's it, any bump slows it down and every change of direction is a pain. (i know "get gut", drifting is done wrong so nope)

    overall, i rather be slower but there then be fast but take 2X longer to get there since it's useless anywhere but flat places.

    Think of the number of maps with little to no water (All of HoT, Dry Top, Silverwastes, even Crystal Oasis and Desert Highlands have little content in their watery parts). So is skimmer in a much better place when it comes to being "remotely useful"? Beetle, IMO has a higher skill cap over other mounts and requires a lot of planning ahead...including while you're screaming along at 100 MPH. But I think it offers a lot of reward for those who will be able to master it.

    the skimmer has the highest speed on water yet has better control, the beetle is only slightly faster and controls like hot butter.
    however, even without water, the skimmer has allot more use since it can glide upwards without slowing down and get over obstacles that would stop a beetle in it's tracks

    My point wasn't to compare beetle and skimmer head-to-head, it was to highlight that both have a vary narrow niche. The skimmer's capabilities on land aren't really the point, because it will get outpaced by other mounts in both speed and altitude.

  • Gemnaid.4219Gemnaid.4219 Member ✭✭✭

    Fun but just a gimmick.

  • Xenon.4537Xenon.4537 Member ✭✭✭

    It's pretty much useless to me.

    • Takes way too long for the endurance to fill
    • Turning is difficult
    • Way too slow going uphill
    • Bunny is superior for getting up cliffs
    • Raptor is superior for quickly getting from one activity to the next on flat ground
    • Jackal is superior for going uphill quickly or dodging enemies
    • Skimmer is superior for water
    • Griffon is superior for pretty much everything

    The biggest contradiction is that the beetle needs elevation to go fast. Well, so does the griffon. And the griffon starts at full endurance and can cross giant chasms by flying over them. Literally the only reason to use the beetle is to quickly go from one end of the map to the other on the ground. And we have waypoints for that. Anything less than the distance of a waypoint can be crossed faster and easier by one of the other mounts.

    Suggestion: Beetle starts a full endurance, and the drifting is made into a skill 2 slot button to make activating it easier.

  • Zephyr.5382Zephyr.5382 Member ✭✭✭

    My fingers are crossed for this comment from the recent AMA:
    http://dulfy.net/2018/07/02/gw2-long-live-lich-developer-ama-summary/

    "While I can’t promise anything, it’s possible there are some ways to soften the pain points of using the beetle while still keeping the other mounts desirable."

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