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The highly distubring fate of Joko raises some questions

Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited July 12, 2018 in Lore

So all it took to kill him was to tear him limb from limb like that? How come nobody has ever tried to simply behead him before?

Personally I'm not convinced he is dead.

In his own words, his immortality is quite amazing. There is in my mind a distinct possibility that if you were to behead him, the head would remain alive - Black Knight style. Awakened seem far more durable than that, and Joko was the uber-Awakened. Lesser Awakaned have been brought back to undeath after getting all messed up and thought dead, too.

Which of course raises the posibility that he might still be alive inside of Aurene in some kind of horrible, horrible vore-inspired fever nightmare....!

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  • Illconceived Was Na.9781Illconceived Was Na.9781 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2018

    @Oglaf.1074 said:
    So all it took to kill him was to tear him limb from limb like that? How come nobody has ever tried to simply behead him before?

    Well, first of all, he wasn't beheaded: he was eaten. By a dragon, one of the world's primal forces. So I think I'd translate the question as, "how come none of the other dragons tried to eat him before?" (Answer: because they don't seem to care much about other sentient life forms.)

    Second, we don't know how it was he escaped death before. If he had a horcrux phylactery, maybe he needed time to use it and didn't get a chance because he thought he had already won this battle. Or maybe Aurene's magic prevented his soul from reaching it. Maybe he ran out of soulboxes (although, like the overplanning project manager that he is, that seems unlikely; he has more contingency plans than NASA). Maybe his soul tried to escape and was consumed by Aurene? Maybe the commander weakened him more than he thought?

    Which of course raises the posibility that he might still be alive inside of Aurene in some kind of horribly, horrible vore-inspired fever nightmare....!

    Sure, that could be true. I hope it's not because I've never enjoyed the fantasy trope of epic enemies that keep coming back. The Green Goblin and the Joker and yes, the Daleks become less appealing to me with each iteration. (Probably because I think it shows a lack of imagination on the part of the authors.) That's not to say it never works; I just don't like to see it as the first choice, unless there's a strong compelling story behind it.

    Mind you: I do hope the story takes a moment or three to (ahem) flesh out what exactly happened to the lich, even though I don't agree that there's some sort of plot hole or much chance of a Joko Part IV.

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  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Beheaded, dismembered, eaten - all the same really. Devastating bodily harm. Something the Awakened prior have shown quite the impressive resistance to. It just seems odd to finish Joko off with that method as you'd think it'd be quite ineffective (which he proved just seconds before).

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  • Anti-climax at its best.

  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @quaniesan.8497 said:
    Anti-climax at its best.

    Kind of, yeah. Especially since the scene where he fixes his broken body and gives that awesome speech just before it was amazing.

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    He was eaten AFTER Aurene unbound his magic. Taking him apart limb from limb is the irrelevant part. He was already destroyed by that point

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    since EDs eat magic, and some effects after being eaten, it's safe to assume it wasn't the bodily harm that killed him but the magical harm that did

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  • Tsakhi.8124Tsakhi.8124 Member ✭✭✭

    And what remains of Joko's sentience is standing in the Mist, sad.
    "Hello from the other side!
    I must have died a thousand times.
    To tell you I'm sorry for giving my heart (and everything else)"

    [scene fades]

    "She had sent him to the hell of his own making. Where the children cry and the gods smile."
    "I will always love the false image I had of you."
    Forever Laranthir's fangirl.

  • Ephemiel.5694Ephemiel.5694 Member ✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Oglaf.1074 said:
    So all it took to kill him was to tear him limb from limb like that? How come nobody has ever tried to simply behead him before?

    he thought he had already won this battle.

    Wrong. When you finish the final mission, you can find a statue that reveals a recording he made exactly because he thought he could die during the fight.

  • @Ephemiel.5694 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Oglaf.1074 said:
    So all it took to kill him was to tear him limb from limb like that? How come nobody has ever tried to simply behead him before?

    he thought he had already won this battle.

    Wrong. When you finish the final mission, you can find a statue that reveals a recording he made exactly because he thought he could die during the fight.

    I think you've misunderstood the point I'm making, besides also not accounting for some possibilities.

    • Joko's reputation as being undefeatable, unkillable is mostly due to ... Joko's self-promotion. Folk think he can't be killed because he claims he can't be.
    • Even if that's not the case, the recording he made was a small part of his many, many, many contingency plans. The fact that he made it only let's us know he was prepared to lose that battle. At the moment that Aurene swept in, however, he clearly was unprepared — at that moment, he was convinced he was done.

    "With great power comes not-so-great utility bills."

  • Zaraki.5784Zaraki.5784 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Aurene will have to poo sooner or later :p

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  • Ephemiel.5694Ephemiel.5694 Member ✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Ephemiel.5694 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Oglaf.1074 said:
    So all it took to kill him was to tear him limb from limb like that? How come nobody has ever tried to simply behead him before?

    he thought he had already won this battle.

    Wrong. When you finish the final mission, you can find a statue that reveals a recording he made exactly because he thought he could die during the fight.

    I think you've misunderstood the point I'm making, besides also not accounting for some possibilities.

    • Joko's reputation as being undefeatable, unkillable is mostly due to ... Joko's self-promotion. Folk think he can't be killed because he claims he can't be.
    • Even if that's not the case, the recording he made was a small part of his many, many, many contingency plans. The fact that he made it only let's us know he was prepared to lose that battle. At the moment that Aurene swept in, however, he clearly was unprepared — at that moment, he was convinced he was done.

    Joko's rep for being unkillable is, quite literally, because he's a Lich. Hell, WE "kill" him and he happily stands back up.

    The whole point for that recording, and why it's unavailable till we finish that mission, is to imply that he not only knows far more than he lets on, but that he actually truly considered the fact he might die.

  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭

    ... where can one fidn this recording exactly?

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  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Oglaf.1074 said:
    So all it took to kill him was to tear him limb from limb like that? How come nobody has ever tried to simply behead him before?

    If you watch the cinematic, there's a burst of magical energy the very moment Aurene first chomps down on him. It isn't a simple case of tearing him limb from limb - he was already dead by the time Aurene was eating him. It was a case of the magic that made him immortal being destroyed.

  • Aaron Ansari.1604Aaron Ansari.1604 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 13, 2018

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    • Joko's reputation as being undefeatable, unkillable is mostly due to ... Joko's self-promotion. Folk think he can't be killed because he claims he can't be.

    To expand on Ephemial's response, the reputation wasn't even Joko's doing. It originally stemed from Turai Ossa and the fledgling Order of Whispers doing everything they could think of to try to kill him... and failing. Joko mentions being 'sundered' while he was sealed away before GW1, so this wasn't the first time he was bodily torn apart. He somehow managed to piece himself back together, seemingly without outside intervention.

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  • @Aaron Ansari.1604 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    • Joko's reputation as being undefeatable, unkillable is mostly due to ... Joko's self-promotion. Folk think he can't be killed because he claims he can't be.

    To expand on Ephemial's response, the reputation wasn't even Joko's doing. It originally stemed from Turai Ossa and the fledgling Order of Whispers doing everything they could think of to try to kill him... and failing. Joko mentions being 'sundered' while he was sealed away before GW1, so this wasn't the first time he was bodily torn apart. He somehow managed to piece himself back together, seemingly without outside intervention.

    Maybe he didn't invent the idea of being unkillable. But he's certainly used in marketing his brand. My point is: we don't really know that he's unkillable. We just know that he says he is (and ok, other people think it, too).

    It's like being surprised that Stainless Steel can be ... stained. Despite the name, it's never been better than stain-resistant.

    "With great power comes not-so-great utility bills."

  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So yeah... never got an answer: Where is the post-story recording located...?

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  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Oglaf.1074 said:
    So yeah... never got an answer: Where is the post-story recording located...?

    It’s on the second level of the loyalist encampment on the west side of the zone.

  • Tachenon.5270Tachenon.5270 Member ✭✭✭

    "It's a FAKE!" ~ Vreenak

    See, what happened was, when Joko zapped that nearby Awakened, he didn't absorb it's, ah, undead force? -- magical energy? -- whatever -- he actually switched places with it, presto-switcho, ya know, oldest trick in the book, and while our intrepid commanders and Braham-Braham were all caught up (literally) listening as false Joko carried on with the evil-villain tirade, the real Joko quietly slipped away to plot again another day.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 14, 2018

    @Tachenon.5270 said:
    "It's a FAKE!" ~ Vreenak

    See, what happened was, when Joko zapped that nearby Awakened, he didn't absorb it's, ah, undead force? -- magical energy? -- whatever -- he actually switched places with it, presto-switcho, ya know, oldest trick in the book, and while our intrepid commanders and Braham-Braham were all caught up (literally) listening as false Joko carried on with the evil-villain tirade, the real Joko quietly slipped away to plot again another day.

    OK all I can hear in my head now is this, with visions of Joko tip-toeing out of view

  • Tabasco.1743Tabasco.1743 Member ✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    I hope it's not because I've never enjoyed the fantasy trope of epic enemies that keep coming back. The Green Goblin and the Joker and yes, the Daleks become less appealing to me with each iteration. (Probably because I think it shows a lack of imagination on the part of the authors.)

    Hey whoa hey uncalled for why are we bringing the Daleks into this? EX-PLAIN?!

  • Yeah, I'm curious whether Joko is really dead, or if his "essence" is just being held inside Aurene.

    Let's assume Aurene becomes a fully-grown Elder Dragon, and does the usual Elder Dragon thing of consuming a bunch of magic, then going to sleep for thousands of years... and then several millennia later, that magic starts to slowly seep out of her. Perhaps in another 10,000 years we'll finally see Joko again (though I can't imagine he'd be in a very good state of mind after being imprisoned in the gut of a dragon for that long.)

  • Tanith.5264Tanith.5264 Member ✭✭

    Joko as a Dalek. Now there's a terrifying mental picture. :)

  • Knuckle Joe.7408Knuckle Joe.7408 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2018

    inb4 aurene controlling awakened hordes cause she absorbed joko's magic. Suddendly we got a massive undead army to fight the now-empowered Kralka.

  • draxynnic.3719draxynnic.3719 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zaraki.5784 said:
    Aurene will have to poo sooner or later :p

    Honestly, this is something I've considered myself. Joko has possibly had access to Forgotten magic, and may have figured out a way of making his 'core' magic indigestible to dragons. So now he's inside Aurene, but still potentially capable of re-emerging and reconstituting himself. His "in the event of my death" stuff may be because he felt that if he did end up as dragon-chow, he didn't want Aurene or the PC to think that might actually be something he could survive.

    @Tabasco.1743 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    I hope it's not because I've never enjoyed the fantasy trope of epic enemies that keep coming back. The Green Goblin and the Joker and yes, the Daleks become less appealing to me with each iteration. (Probably because I think it shows a lack of imagination on the part of the authors.)

    Hey whoa hey uncalled for why are we bringing the Daleks into this? EX-PLAIN?!

    Given normal Dalek speaking patterns, shouldn't that be EL-UC-I-DATE? :P

  • Ephemiel.5694Ephemiel.5694 Member ✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Aaron Ansari.1604 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    • Joko's reputation as being undefeatable, unkillable is mostly due to ... Joko's self-promotion. Folk think he can't be killed because he claims he can't be.

    To expand on Ephemial's response, the reputation wasn't even Joko's doing. It originally stemed from Turai Ossa and the fledgling Order of Whispers doing everything they could think of to try to kill him... and failing. Joko mentions being 'sundered' while he was sealed away before GW1, so this wasn't the first time he was bodily torn apart. He somehow managed to piece himself back together, seemingly without outside intervention.

    Maybe he didn't invent the idea of being unkillable. But he's certainly used in marketing his brand. My point is: we don't really know that he's unkillable. We just know that he says he is (and ok, other people think it, too).

    It's like being surprised that Stainless Steel can be ... stained. Despite the name, it's never been better than stain-resistant.

    Again, we fight and "kill" him, yet he comes back up.

  • Matt H.6142Matt H.6142 Member ✭✭

    Expect Joko to pop up at Halloween to battle the Mad King

  • Ephemiel.5694Ephemiel.5694 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tachenon.5270 said:

    @Ephemiel.5694 said:

    Again, we fight and "kill" him, yet he comes back up.

    And may yet 'come back up' again.

    Aurene: gurp gurp gurp -- BLARGH!
    Commander: Aurene! Not on the carpet! Eww! That's nasty!
    Braham: Look, Taimi! It's the Internal Alchemy!
    Taimi: Braham, no, eww.
    Joko: Blech! Er, I mean, hah hah! Fools! You can't keep a good lich dow -- wait, what are you doing?
    Commander (places Bounty on Joko): It's the quicker picker upper.
    Bounty Train Leader: Legendary Half-Digested Joko on my tag.
    Joko: NOOOOOOOOOO!

    There's a big difference between us trying to kill him and Aurene literally absorbing the magic that keeps him alive. How is this so hard for you to understand?

  • @Drarnor Kunoram.5180 said:

    @Oglaf.1074 said:
    Beheaded, dismembered, eaten - all the same really. Devastating bodily harm. Something the Awakened prior have shown quite the impressive resistance to. It just seems odd to finish Joko off with that method as you'd think it'd be quite ineffective (which he proved just seconds before).

    Because Aurene didn't just eat his body, which he probably could have come back from just fine. She ate his magic as well. Having his magic was absolutely necessary for him to survive.

    I had called Aurene eating Joko as being his final death, I just didn't expect it to happen this episode.

    Granted that's true. He's truly dead because his magic is eaten. But the issue here is how he managed to get eaten, with that much magic left, with that much time frame, with that much combat experience, as shown in his prowess in battle with Ossa and still can't kite a bite after standing at least 5 second facing the thing. 'Supprise' doesn't seem to cut it. It'd be probably more convincing if she rooted him somehow. But too late now. Can't go back and fix it, we will just accept that he was seriously, super-seriously, crestfallenly, tremendously, surprisingly surprised so much so that he couldn't react and get eaten.

  • Ephemiel.5694Ephemiel.5694 Member ✭✭✭

    @quaniesan.8497 said:

    @Drarnor Kunoram.5180 said:

    @Oglaf.1074 said:
    Beheaded, dismembered, eaten - all the same really. Devastating bodily harm. Something the Awakened prior have shown quite the impressive resistance to. It just seems odd to finish Joko off with that method as you'd think it'd be quite ineffective (which he proved just seconds before).

    Because Aurene didn't just eat his body, which he probably could have come back from just fine. She ate his magic as well. Having his magic was absolutely necessary for him to survive.

    I had called Aurene eating Joko as being his final death, I just didn't expect it to happen this episode.

    Granted that's true. He's truly dead because his magic is eaten. But the issue here is how he managed to get eaten, with that much magic left, with that much time frame, with that much combat experience, as shown in his prowess in battle with Ossa and still can't kite a bite after standing at least 5 second facing the thing. 'Supprise' doesn't seem to cut it. It'd be probably more convincing if she rooted him somehow. But too late now. Can't go back and fix it, we will just accept that he was seriously, super-seriously, crestfallenly, tremendously, surprisingly surprised so much so that he couldn't react and get eaten.

    Because it's heavily hinted in that message he left [only available after you finish the mission] that he might have actually expected to die during the fight against you.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 19, 2018

    @quaniesan.8497 said:

    @Drarnor Kunoram.5180 said:

    @Oglaf.1074 said:
    Beheaded, dismembered, eaten - all the same really. Devastating bodily harm. Something the Awakened prior have shown quite the impressive resistance to. It just seems odd to finish Joko off with that method as you'd think it'd be quite ineffective (which he proved just seconds before).

    Because Aurene didn't just eat his body, which he probably could have come back from just fine. She ate his magic as well. Having his magic was absolutely necessary for him to survive.

    I had called Aurene eating Joko as being his final death, I just didn't expect it to happen this episode.

    Granted that's true. He's truly dead because his magic is eaten. But the issue here is how he managed to get eaten, with that much magic left, with that much time frame, with that much combat experience, as shown in his prowess in battle with Ossa and still can't kite a bite after standing at least 5 second facing the thing. 'Supprise' doesn't seem to cut it. It'd be probably more convincing if she rooted him somehow. But too late now. Can't go back and fix it, we will just accept that he was seriously, super-seriously, crestfallenly, tremendously, surprisingly surprised so much so that he couldn't react and get eaten.

    It’s possible, but highly doubtful that Joko is “alive” in essence in his magic, which could lead to meta physical Sephiroth stuff, being alive in Aurene. Then as the Commander having the mental connection to Aurene then flushing Joko out of her mind/ body. Very doubtful though.

    Or he is just dead, which I like is more likely.

  • Steve The Cynic.3217Steve The Cynic.3217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:
    It's like being surprised that Stainless Steel can be ... stained. Despite the name, it's never been better than stain-resistant.

    Linguistic oddity. In French, stainless steel is called "inox", short for "inoxydable", meaning not capable of being oxidised(1), and therefore does not rust, and no mention of its resistance to staining is implied.

    (1) In this sense, it's a grotesque misnomer. The metals alloyed with iron to make stainless steel are significantly more reactive than iron, and if you expose a totally "clean" piece of stainless steel to air, it forms a thin layer of oxide in picoseconds. Most metals do this, in fact, but the key difference between iron and ordinary steel on the one hand, and stainless steel on the other, is that the layer of oxide on stainless is (a) mechanically stable and (b) not prone to odd behaviour in the presence of water, while the corresponding layer on ordinary iron/steel is not mechanically stable and does some really odd things if it gets wet.

  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Steve The Cynic.3217 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:
    It's like being surprised that Stainless Steel can be ... stained. Despite the name, it's never been better than stain-resistant.

    Linguistic oddity.

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  • Drarnor Kunoram.5180Drarnor Kunoram.5180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @quaniesan.8497 said:

    @Drarnor Kunoram.5180 said:

    @Oglaf.1074 said:
    Beheaded, dismembered, eaten - all the same really. Devastating bodily harm. Something the Awakened prior have shown quite the impressive resistance to. It just seems odd to finish Joko off with that method as you'd think it'd be quite ineffective (which he proved just seconds before).

    Because Aurene didn't just eat his body, which he probably could have come back from just fine. She ate his magic as well. Having his magic was absolutely necessary for him to survive.

    I had called Aurene eating Joko as being his final death, I just didn't expect it to happen this episode.

    Granted that's true. He's truly dead because his magic is eaten. But the issue here is how he managed to get eaten, with that much magic left, with that much time frame, with that much combat experience, as shown in his prowess in battle with Ossa and still can't kite a bite after standing at least 5 second facing the thing. 'Supprise' doesn't seem to cut it. It'd be probably more convincing if she rooted him somehow. But too late now. Can't go back and fix it, we will just accept that he was seriously, super-seriously, crestfallenly, tremendously, surprisingly surprised so much so that he couldn't react and get eaten.

    He got tackled by a dragon that he literally did not see coming (she tackled him from behind). She was pinning him to the ground before biting.

    Joko might be a powerful spellcaster, but physically? He's really no stronger than a human. I have yet to see the human that can out-match a tiger, and Aurene is bigger than that.

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  • norbes.3620norbes.3620 Member ✭✭

    @Drarnor Kunoram.5180 said:

    @quaniesan.8497 said:

    @Drarnor Kunoram.5180 said:

    @Oglaf.1074 said:
    Beheaded, dismembered, eaten - all the same really. Devastating bodily harm. Something the Awakened prior have shown quite the impressive resistance to. It just seems odd to finish Joko off with that method as you'd think it'd be quite ineffective (which he proved just seconds before).

    Because Aurene didn't just eat his body, which he probably could have come back from just fine. She ate his magic as well. Having his magic was absolutely necessary for him to survive.

    I had called Aurene eating Joko as being his final death, I just didn't expect it to happen this episode.

    Granted that's true. He's truly dead because his magic is eaten. But the issue here is how he managed to get eaten, with that much magic left, with that much time frame, with that much combat experience, as shown in his prowess in battle with Ossa and still can't kite a bite after standing at least 5 second facing the thing. 'Supprise' doesn't seem to cut it. It'd be probably more convincing if she rooted him somehow. But too late now. Can't go back and fix it, we will just accept that he was seriously, super-seriously, crestfallenly, tremendously, surprisingly surprised so much so that he couldn't react and get eaten.

    He got tackled by a dragon that he literally did not see coming (she tackled him from behind). She was pinning him to the ground before biting.

    Joko might be a powerful spellcaster, but physically? He's really no stronger than a human. I have yet to see the human that can out-match a tiger, and Aurene is bigger than that.

    well there is this one guy who hunted tigers barehanded in his youth. he got a political Job atm

    i would not say that joko is physically weak propably he is stronger than human but not "i can lift a char with 1 Hand" strong wich is atleast possible for 1 human we know

  • Rodzynald.5897Rodzynald.5897 Member ✭✭✭

    Well, magic is magic and I believe that there is nothing else you can do about that, no matter what ancient magics and stuff like that, becuase there is nothing above dragons in terms of, well... magic, at least nothing we might know about. The only thing grander and powerful than dragons themselves might be whatever astral beings might exist beyond Tyria, like, the prime forces of creation and whatnot. But I am not sure if Anet would go that deep with lore, I think that those aspects of levels of power is what Blizzard is doing right now with all those light and void stuff, but that's just a digression. All in all I am kind of 50/50 with this Joko situation. Half of me thinks that, with all magical evidence that we know of, Joko is dead and gone for good. But on the other hand he is too good of a character to just take it out like that, so I hope we will see some of his traits in Aurene soon enough.

    Casual friendly and quality pvp - these two do not work well together.

  • As other people have said, he is/was getting eaten by a dragon that has an elder dragon as an elder along with her weight being a couple of hundred of pounds if not at least half a ton going at running/flying(?) speed before the eating of the man. I also tink with that she could absorb all of his magic or at least the protection magic he may had up and the restraining magic.

    He might have been in the heat of the moment as he was very invested into the commander and that created a blind spot in his awareness. The commander and dragon are always connected so much so that I want to believe that she learned/copy the battle memories of the commander to use it to help at the best possible moment to interfere or she used her "looking in the future" to see the many directions and chose the best one where the commander and her are alive kinda like that alien in MB3 where he experience every single past, present, and future event.

    They could do a cop out where our PC finds an item that has enough of joko's magic and a copy of him for some semi or full awareness that is activated in case the death of the real one. We make a deal to help bring powerful magic items to him or he gets to act as a "historian" for his memories of old.

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