Duo Queue for Plat 2+? Post SS of your rating

https://imgur.com/a/x6Pvd2f

Now we can put this debate to rest, with facts. Many people feel people who won't be affected by this change shouldn't have a vote in the matter; I am inclined to agree.

EDIT: 1,600 rating for me for those too lazy to click links.

This thread already exists twice and its been explained multiple times why your asserting that 1600 teams dont affect lower tier players is wrong

Please stop spamming the forums with your false assertions

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@Legatus.3608 said:This thread already exists twice and its been explained multiple times why your asserting that 1600 teams dont affect lower tier players is wrong

Please stop spamming the forums with your false assertions

/thread

If the argument is that MMR dips too low to pull players together for games; the counterpoint can be made that the reason is because PvP population is in a severe decline due to a multitude of reasons, one of which is not being able to play with your friends in a multiplayer game. The solo nature of the ranked queue means you have to deal with people farming the legendary backpack achievements by playing with 3 different classes, bad players being placed at a high rating right out of the gate and getting farmed down to their skill level (duo or not, they're getting farmed down for good reason: they don't belong there) because the placement system is completely whack.

Players sitting in spawn having a tantrum at their team, refusing to contribute and throwing the game for any reason at all. People not working together because they are all strangers in a TEAM match. The list goes on and on why solo only queue is not fun.

I understand why we shouldn't have full premades queuing ranked, it would be completely unbalanced if that pool is mixed with solo queue. That's why we have ATs now. But if they allow duo queue in ranked, why the arbitrary decision to cut it off at plat 2? The leaderboard above that is completely RNG because 1 player isn't going to carry a team. There's no real indication of individual skill, luck plays just as much of a factor. Win trading happened, cheaters got to keep their titles.. the rewards for being top of the leaderboard are meaningless so why punish players for wanting to play competitive matches with a friend?

@Sinful.2165 said:

@Legatus.3608 said:This thread already exists twice and its been explained multiple times why your asserting that 1600 teams dont affect lower tier players is wrong

Please stop spamming the forums with your false assertions

/thread

None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.

@Legatus.3608 said:None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.This is brought up a lot, but why does it matter whether or not two of your teammates happen to be grouped together? If there's a really strong duo that's queuing ranked, it's just rng whether they end up on your team or the enemy team, just like it's rng whether or not they end up on your team if they're both solo.

Also, his post happens to be extremely relevant, because most people who are 1600+ WANT duo queue, so you may very well see a population increase in pvp for people who are 1600+. If this is the case, plat 1/lower player would be less likely to have people 1600+ in their matches altogether

https://imgur.com/a/HXmRGKS

We just had this poll a few days ago>

@Legatus.3608 said:

None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.

Players under 1600 still get queued against high level players. Another question is why do they get to play with their friends but we cant? Thats why those players shouldnt be allowed to vote, because they dont know how it feels being alone all the time

As for you thinking the game is better off wihout duo q, queue times have been longer each season ever since they removed duo q. mmr is still shit as well. Ive had games where multiple plat 2+ players were matched against gold players. The last poll was also in favor of duo q(50-49%). And just about every high level player wants it back

@Solaerin.8635 said:

@Legatus.3608 said:None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600.

The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.This is brought up a lot, but why does it matter whether or not two of your teammates happen to be grouped together? If there's a really strong duo that's queuing ranked, it's just rng whether they end up on your team or the enemy team, just like it's rng whether or not they end up on your team if they're both solo.

It's not RNG at all, you're statistically less likely to fill a team with 3 potentially open slots than you are for a team with 4 potentially open slots. Further, you're intentionally preventing the match making algorithm to properly balance the teams by not allowing it to place people on opposing teams. Not to mention the inherent advantages of being in voice comms with your friends and/or having complementary builds or strategies.

Look I'm sorry but you can have either 5 man teams or solo queues, and under the current population a 5 man queue would kill pvp the same way it led to pointless repeat matchup farming in SWTOR. The fact that duo queue even exists at all in a rated system with 5 man teams regardless of bracket is a total fucking joke.

Do you want to play with your buddies or do you want the rating system and pvp itself to actually mean anything at all? You can't have both. How many teams are there in the average AT? And how many of those teams consistently win the ATs? Whatever you see in AT's, that's the identical result of allowing teams in regular pvp.

@Coolguy.8702 said:We just had this poll a few days ago>

@Legatus.3608 said:

None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.

1. Play with your friends
2. Meaningful pvp that isn't trash

Pick one

@Legatus.3608 said:It's not RNG at all, you're statistically less likely to fill a team with 3 potentially open slots than you are for a team with 4 potentially open slots. Further, you're intentionally preventing the match making algorithm to properly balance the teams by not allowing it to place people on opposing teams. Not to mention the inherent advantages of being in voice comms with your friends and/or having complementary builds or strategies.Have you considered that the matchmaker is most likely going to try to put a duo on each team in games where there are duos?Do you want to play with your buddies or do you want the rating system and pvp itself to actually mean anything at all? You can't have both. How many teams are there in the average AT? And how many of those teams consistently win the ATs? Whatever you see in AT's, that's the identical result of allowing teams in regular pvp.The players that are actually going to appear on the leaderboard are the players that are 1600+ and want duo queue lol

Do you think every game with players below 1600 is meaningless trash because it's possible for players to be queued together in duos?

Yes, it's very odd to have a solo Q restriction on an MMO where the only ranked mode is 5v5.

https://imgur.com/a/Oqqs5vG

@Legatus.3608 said:

@Coolguy.8702 said:We just had this poll a few days ago>

@Legatus.3608 said:

None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.

1. Play with your friends
2. Meaningful pvp that isn't trash

Gonna go with 1 since the pvp rn isnt meaningful or fun

@Solaerin.8635 said:

@Legatus.3608 said:It's not RNG at all, you're statistically less likely to fill a team with 3 potentially open slots than you are for a team with 4 potentially open slots. Further, you're intentionally preventing the match making algorithm to properly balance the teams by not allowing it to place people on opposing teams. Not to mention the inherent advantages of being in voice comms with your friends and/or having complementary builds or strategies.Have you considered that the matchmaker is most likely going to try to put a duo on each team in games where there are duos?Do you want to play with your buddies

or do you want the rating system and pvp itself to actually mean anything at all?

You can't have both. How many teams are there in the average AT? And how many of those teams consistently win the ATs? Whatever you see in AT's, that's the identical result of allowing teams in regular pvp.The players that are actually going to appear on the leaderboard are the players that are 1600+ and want duo queue lol

As a matter of fact, yes, I do

@Legatus.3608 said:

@Coolguy.8702 said:We just had this poll a few days ago>

@Legatus.3608 said:

None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.

1. Play with your friends
2. Meaningful pvp that isn't trash

It's trash either way.

You know...more of us would have taken this poll seriously if you had included the option : potato.

oh well...move along folks nothing to see here.

@"Sampson.2403" said:Yes, it's very odd to have a solo Q restriction on an MMO where the only ranked mode is 5v5.

https://imgur.com/a/Oqqs5vG

It would be very strange to have an mmo where 5v5 ranked is played and the biggest team in 2 players and the leaderboard isindividual rank.

It has to be either solo with personal rating like we have now or 5v5 with 5 man teams and the team gets the rank. Having anything in between makes no sense for anything competitive.

@Milan.9035 said:

@"Sampson.2403" said:Yes, it's very odd to have a solo Q restriction on an MMO where the only ranked mode is 5v5.

https://imgur.com/a/Oqqs5vG

This.

I finished... somewhere in the sixties last season, can't log in right now for screenshot. And don't want to put in that much effort anyway...

Only teamq is fun no one cares for leaderboard or the game anymore anyway just add teamq back.

I actually think that it would harm the leaderboards. If it isn't 5 man que enabled, just leave it to solo que past 1600.

Let me play with friends, kthx.

Leaderboard and rank doesn't really matter... tbh I wouldn't duo queue but I see no reason for top players not to be able to play with friends outside of at..

Current rating 1650+ on NA and EU

People are forgetting that it's not about balance it's about win trading. It was already explained ( thread is still up on reddit, google it yourself as posting the link here will get it deleted by mods ) how duo Q and matchmaking can be exploited to rig the leaderboards quite easily and you only need 4 people to do it. The real question is whether or not being able to play with your friends is worth it to you for the price of dealing with significantly more match manipulation.

@Solaerin.8635 said:

@Legatus.3608 said:None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600.

The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.This is brought up a lot, but why does it matter whether or not two of your teammates happen to be grouped together? If there's a really strong duo that's queuing ranked, it's just rng whether they end up on your team or the enemy team, just like it's rng whether or not they end up on your team if they're both solo.

@Faux Play.6104 said:It is pretty simple math. their team will have 3 open slots. The team that plays them will have 5. So times you are in a match with them 62.5% of the time you will be against them and 37.5 % of the time you will be with them. You are almost twice as likely to be on the short end of the stick.

You're describing a scenario where there's 10 players queuing for a match and two of them happen to be queued together, and the players are just randomly distributed across the two teams. What happens when you actually account for stuff like how your personal mmr impacts whether you'll be grouped with a particular set of players when a matchmaker tries to create teams with equal average mmrs, how the matchmaker will try to even out the 10 player's respective professions so that they're distributed evenly to the two teams, how a matchmaker will typically tend to place a duo on each team in cases where there are duos in a match? Idk, maybe you're right and if we allow players rated 1600+ to duo together, solo queue players will just be turbo-fucked and lose 62.5% of the time, but I played back when duo queues were allowed and I solo queued without that being a problem