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Brian.1289Brian.1289 Member ✭✭

this week is a perfect example of servers avoiding playing a decent match in t1 and mag tanking not to play in t2,and what alliances will look like under 1 up 1 down. going down tiers for super easy fights is killing any life left in the game mode

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  • Turk.5460Turk.5460 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 10, 2018

    No it doesn't and no it isn't and alliances aren't relevant to 1up/1down.

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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Brian.1289 said:
    this week is a perfect example of servers avoiding playing a decent match in t1 and mag tanking not to play in t2,and what alliances will look like under 1 up 1 down. going down tiers for super easy fights is killing any life left in the game mode

    Mag it's likely because of coverage, though they were in first and solidly second before it became possible for BG to drop from T1

  • Artaz.3819Artaz.3819 Member ✭✭✭

    Mag, get your kitten together. We all want BG+Mag+Kaineng next week in T2

  • @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    ...........

    Mag it's likely because of coverage, though they were in first and solidly second before it became possible for BG to drop from T1

    Was logged in last evening on both EBG and Mag home BL - emptier than my heart. I'm on FC so could be coverage, could be Mag super-secret tanking Plan #1 which we are not privy to. ;)

  • Rampage.7145Rampage.7145 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 10, 2018

    MAg has exactly 3 guilds that run 15-20 people for raids ROLL (FC) VR and EZ all NA guilds and 1 SEA guild that runes like 12 guys WE, how do you expect mag to get to t2 when mag+FC dont even que any maps during NA prime i mean sure w could get there if we wanted and actually tried to PPT but why tho? we dont have the numbers to fight anything in T2 or T1 outside EBG and even then it would be a 20 man group+ 20 thieves and ranges who have no clue what they are doing vs 30-40 man Blob guilds like Agg or KEK or SF kitten like that who run alongside another guilds effectivelly becoming a 60-70 man guild fully comped up with meta classes, that is 0 fun to fight against tbh, just skill lag and 10FPS ty but no ty.

    PST don't get me wrong we are up for the challenge of fighting bigger guilds and server we are just not going for all the overtime and tryhardism needed to get there since we don't have natural coverage and the rewards of getting there are not really rewarding, we just dont care whatver tier we go we go and that is it fam, nobody on mag really gives a kitten.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Doo Lally.8594 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    ...........

    Mag it's likely because of coverage, though they were in first and solidly second before it became possible for BG to drop from T1

    Was logged in last evening on both EBG and Mag home BL - emptier than my heart. I'm on FC so could be coverage, could be Mag super-secret tanking Plan #1 which we are not privy to. ;)

    Now I wasn't suggesting anything.... :smirk:

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 10, 2018

    Who cares for changes to WvW before the alliance change????? XD
    Any changes asked now are useless IMO.

    What every one needs to focus is to "exploit" alliances system andd see where and what needs to be adressed, while providing feedback to make it better for every 1.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    mag dishes out good fights. i dont think they tanking. if they are, shame . . . i just think they not many in sea eu

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • shiri.4257shiri.4257 Member ✭✭✭

    @Brian.1289 said:
    this week is a perfect example of servers avoiding playing a decent match in t1 and mag tanking not to play in t2,and what alliances will look like under 1 up 1 down. going down tiers for super easy fights is killing any life left in the game mode

    1u/1d>glicko lock

    Spectre [VII] - Wood League Champion. Making "fight guilds" stack on higher tiers since 2013.
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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Brian.1289 said:
    this week is a perfect example of servers avoiding playing a decent match in t1

    Who's avoiding a good match in T1?

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The obvious solution is for guilds to stack on Mag to get them the coverage that everyone wants them to have.
    PPT guilds only please otherwise you will start to take the fights away from dem oter fite gurlds.

    Another derailing post. ^^
    EBG North Keep: One of the village residents will now flee if their home is destroyed!
    Maguuma: Free ppt, come and get it!

  • Hesacon.8735Hesacon.8735 Member ✭✭✭

    Glicko matches got stale, and the switch to a skirmish based system meant in many tiers it was mathematically impossible to get a different matchup. To get over this, the GMs had to manually manipulate Glicko to end bad matchups.

    The one-up-one down corrected most issues, with a new match guaranteed every week, and the ability to quickly adjust matchups based on server populations.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    if all good players go there, you'll have no one to fight. so dont stack on one server.

    instead, check servers based on timezone and try to go to one who does not have a fight guild on your time zone

    example server A has sea team and your sea, dont go there.

    if you are a fight guild. do not stack with similar timezone guilds.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • @...........

    Now I wasn't suggesting anything.... :smirk:

    I think I've actually caught Mag-Pox whilst being paired with them - I too now don't give a toss about ppt. ;)

    In all honesty though it genuinely just seems like coverage and, as someone else has astutely mentioned, Mag blobs tend to consist of an organised core of 15-20 with 20+ headless chickens back-pedalling from the front line whilst combo-ing static fields!

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 10, 2018

    was fun earlier. so i salute. i had to like tag on tag off because irl obligations but, i do hope to be paired against you mag players.

    yesterday at the siege of sm, was fun. and today to. but you have that sqr something guild that keeps f1 pulling me with the dh. hehe.

    today though, we do outnumber you guys a bit, and i think when i gave tag to kriff, our pugs multiplied.

    but again irl obligatiins :/

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • @Brian.1289 said:
    going down tiers for super easy fights

    going up or down tiers is about fights or PPT? why would anyone interested in fights start to PPT?

    1 up 1 down with skirmish Victory Points vs. Glicko based tiers, both are about PPT. More match variety vs. more balanced matchups, since with 1u1d one has to transfer every week in order to fight group X (nobody does that)

    "fights" may happen & should, in any tier, it's not like higher tiers have "better fighters", just more PPT coverage

    The actual problem, that should be fixed first, is that the population coverage is concentrated on 3-4 servers (the players moved there because the rest of worlds are "dead"), we barely can have 2 tiers in NA with current activity numbers.

    The time has come to remove tier 3 & 4, merge into 2 tiers of 6 worlds. If there are cries after dead & empty worlds, anytime can be added a "dead tier" of 3 servers with a single free transfer option there, but the vast majority want to play with players & against players, not cap things from NPC.

    ^ all that is about NA servers only

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tiawal.2351 said:

    @Brian.1289 said:
    going down tiers for super easy fights

    going up or down tiers is about fights or PPT? why would anyone interested in fights start to PPT?

    1 up 1 down with skirmish Victory Points vs. Glicko based tiers, both are about PPT. More match variety vs. more balanced matchups, since with 1u1d one has to transfer every week in order to fight group X (nobody does that)

    "fights" may happen & should, in any tier, it's not like higher tiers have "better fighters", just more PPT coverage

    The actual problem, that should be fixed first, is that the population coverage is concentrated on 3-4 servers (the players moved there because the rest of worlds are "dead"), we barely can have 2 tiers in NA with current activity numbers.

    The time has come to remove tier 3 & 4, merge into 2 tiers of 6 worlds. If there are cries after dead & empty worlds, anytime can be added a "dead tier" of 3 servers with a single free transfer option there, but the vast majority want to play with players & against players, not cap things from NPC.

    ^ all that is about NA servers only

    one tier at a time. =')

    cant wait for the manual adjusting of tiers once alliance is out.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • shiri.4257shiri.4257 Member ✭✭✭

    @Brian.1289 said:
    this week is a perfect example of servers avoiding playing a decent match in t1 and mag tanking not to play in t2,and what alliances will look like under 1 up 1 down. going down tiers for super easy fights is killing any life left in the game mode

    Just let us know what big shot guild you're in and the time zone huckleberry.

    Spectre [VII] - Wood League Champion. Making "fight guilds" stack on higher tiers since 2013.
    Wood League News Network [WLNN]- www.twitch.tv/shirirx

  • Djamonja.6453Djamonja.6453 Member ✭✭✭

    @Artaz.3819 said:
    Mag, get your kitten together. We all want BG+Mag+Kaineng next week in T2

    Mag and Kaineng are both going to be in tier 3 this week, so they can't both be in T2 next week. Kaineng will win in tier 3 easily this week and move back up to tier 2 next week.

  • hunkamania.7561hunkamania.7561 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 12, 2018

    We lost a few guilds after re links so we're low on numbers but we're still putting up a fight better than most servers. It's fun and sometimes frustrating since it's hard to comp up fight groups

    Former Maguuma server leader(Multiple world championships)

    BG server leader(dominating under my leadership)

  • BlueMelody.6398BlueMelody.6398 Member ✭✭✭

    @Doo Lally.8594 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    ...........

    Mag it's likely because of coverage, though they were in first and solidly second before it became possible for BG to drop from T1

    Was logged in last evening on both EBG and Mag home BL - emptier than my heart. I'm on FC so could be coverage, could be Mag super-secret tanking Plan #1 which we are not privy to. ;)

    Unlike other servers, Mag's "coverage" deficiency isn't about time zone, it's about time of the week:

    Reset through following Wed -- high coverage
    Thu/Fri -- everyone disappears

    Guess everyone on Mag works 2 x 24 on those 2 days.

    All I know is Mag was solidly ahead until the last 18 or so skirmishes, then suddenly placed 3rd for almost the entire final 24 hours enabling them to drop behind NSP. You can call it "coverage", but I have a very different word for it.

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    This the same observation made months ago.
    Mag tanking as an entire server once again.
    I tell ya, mag pug commanders must be super happy they have a mass of players that can follow orders so easily and readily as to when to play and not to play.....
    loud continuous snickering can be heard here
    Or I dunno maybe Mag's 6 hour k-train commander doesn't operate 7 days a week.

    Another derailing post. ^^
    EBG North Keep: One of the village residents will now flee if their home is destroyed!
    Maguuma: Free ppt, come and get it!

  • Ni In.6578Ni In.6578 Member ✭✭✭

    One up/down needs to stay. The glicko roll of the dice was awful -- imagine, CD, a t4 server by skill and pop rising up to t2 from one week to the next facing Mag or SoS and so on -- it doesn't go well.

    Glicko was not designed for this small number of servers and was not the appropriate solution.

    [VII] Desert Spectre - Declared Best NA Guild by Grimaldi
    Crystal Desert Consul Member and President of Scrubs; declared most toxic server NA by Z E Y
    [VII] wants fights! Please bring your pug rangers for UD progress.

  • shiri.4257shiri.4257 Member ✭✭✭

    Someone sounds mad about PPT. must be another fight guild.

    Spectre [VII] - Wood League Champion. Making "fight guilds" stack on higher tiers since 2013.
    Wood League News Network [WLNN]- www.twitch.tv/shirirx

  • Israel.7056Israel.7056 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If we can get some offprime coverage maybe we can stay in t2 but as it is we just lose everything overnight every night and wake up to everything t3 so it takes all day just to try to reset things just to lose it overnight again.

  • Israel.7056Israel.7056 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @BlueMelody.6398 said:

    @Doo Lally.8594 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    ...........

    Mag it's likely because of coverage, though they were in first and solidly second before it became possible for BG to drop from T1

    Was logged in last evening on both EBG and Mag home BL - emptier than my heart. I'm on FC so could be coverage, could be Mag super-secret tanking Plan #1 which we are not privy to. ;)

    Unlike other servers, Mag's "coverage" deficiency isn't about time zone, it's about time of the week:

    Reset through following Wed -- high coverage
    Thu/Fri -- everyone disappears

    Guess everyone on Mag works 2 x 24 on those 2 days.

    All I know is Mag was solidly ahead until the last 18 or so skirmishes, then suddenly placed 3rd for almost the entire final 24 hours enabling them to drop behind NSP. You can call it "coverage", but I have a very different word for it.

    It's called being tired in my case. I always take Thursdays and Fridays off, helps me maintain my sanity when playing this game.

  • @BlueMelody.6398 said:

    @Doo Lally.8594 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    ...........

    Mag it's likely because of coverage, though they were in first and solidly second before it became possible for BG to drop from T1

    Was logged in last evening on both EBG and Mag home BL - emptier than my heart. I'm on FC so could be coverage, could be Mag super-secret tanking Plan #1 which we are not privy to. ;)

    Unlike other servers, Mag's "coverage" deficiency isn't about time zone, it's about time of the week:

    Reset through following Wed -- high coverage
    Thu/Fri -- everyone disappears

    Guess everyone on Mag works 2 x 24 on those 2 days.

    All I know is Mag was solidly ahead until the last 18 or so skirmishes, then suddenly placed 3rd for almost the entire final 24 hours enabling them to drop behind NSP. You can call it "coverage", but I have a very different word for it.

    If you seriously believe Mag would start tanking after seeing that Kaineng would be dropping to t3 this week, there's no reason trying to explain anything to you. I'm sure you also believe Mag losing two of it's more formidable fight guilds just recently was also just a part of their master plan to tank. Mag is no longer the Mag that farmed your bags a couple months ago, it's time to let go of whatever hard-on you have for us.

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭
    edited August 16, 2018

    The only problem I have is, when your server gets bandwagoned and you end up in T1 until the end of the relink. T1 means you just have one new server every week, most of the same servers every other week, it gets quite boring, because no other servers can or tries to push for T1 and there is only one server that tryhards ppt in T1 now.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:
    there is only one server that tryhards ppt in T1 now.

    technically it's 3 servers...

  • Limodriver.4106Limodriver.4106 Member ✭✭✭

    funny how they ppt so hard to get to T1 and find it boring no fight except more ppt I have no clue what the OP is complaining about.

  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Fun fact: If you don't build your server to play the game mode as intended, you will reap what you sow in the end ...

    Fàther (TK)
    Tactical Killers
    Server(DR)

  • Israel.7056Israel.7056 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:
    Fun fact: If you don't build your server to play the game mode as intended, you will reap what you sow in the end ...

    Aka buy more asians and australians.

  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Israel.7056 said:

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:
    Fun fact: If you don't build your server to play the game mode as intended, you will reap what you sow in the end ...

    Aka buy more asians and australians.

    Maybe but you need to have a sociable blend that have the same goal.

    Fàther (TK)
    Tactical Killers
    Server(DR)

  • shiri.4257shiri.4257 Member ✭✭✭

    @Israel.7056 said:

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:
    Fun fact: If you don't build your server to play the game mode as intended, you will reap what you sow in the end ...

    Aka buy more asians and australians.

    Truth^

    For every asian/australian player you have. 4 primetime players will bandwagon for them.

    Spectre [VII] - Wood League Champion. Making "fight guilds" stack on higher tiers since 2013.
    Wood League News Network [WLNN]- www.twitch.tv/shirirx

  • Idea: next matchup we scramble all the worlds. Put black gate on the bottom.

  • It's an annoying yo-yo no doubt

  • Iris Ng.9845Iris Ng.9845 Member ✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Brian.1289 said:
    this week is a perfect example of servers avoiding playing a decent match in t1

    Who's avoiding a good match in T1?

    Let me guess: It's the super-stacked, all map-queue, 100-man BG blob refuses to PPT, defend their T3 keeps and only shows up for open-field fights? (/s)
    Honestly though, there are simply not enough coverage or people to care fighting a 20-man zerg come knocking at the deadiest of hours.

    On discord, at 5:20 AM: @here 30+ blue zerg at North Hill, 4 cats, gate 35% going fast. Need all to help.

    • Me: dude, not now. Just let it go...
  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Iris Ng.9845 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Brian.1289 said:
    this week is a perfect example of servers avoiding playing a decent match in t1

    Who's avoiding a good match in T1?

    Let me guess: It's the super-stacked, all map-queue, 100-man BG blob refuses to PPT, defend their T3 keeps and only shows up for open-field fights? (/s)
    Honestly though, there are simply not enough coverage or people to care fighting a 20-man zerg come knocking at the deadiest of hours.

    On discord, at 5:20 AM: @here 30+ blue zerg at North Hill, 4 cats, gate 35% going fast. Need all to help.

    • Me: dude, not now. Just let it go...

    Ikr? BG has lower activity than 5 'worlds' right now and are still higher in KDR. Evidently the other two are taking a page from BG circa 2015-2017. And maybe BG is taking a page from all the others who couldn't bother to PPT and move up to T-1.

    Would honestly like to see BG tank next week to let one of the others go have some fun.

  • X T D.6458X T D.6458 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Leave 1u1d as is, gives servers more flexibility especially with how poorly managed linking has been.

    BG
    Class Balance is a Joke

  • Trajan.4953Trajan.4953 Member ✭✭✭

    It is what it is until Alliances.

    They should work for at least 2 months, then it will be EOTM 2.0

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