[POLL] Has the most useless profession changed? — Guild Wars 2 Forums

[POLL] Has the most useless profession changed?

Kako.1930Kako.1930 Member ✭✭✭

Well, we're off and running with the new season now, and with it comes a new poll! Last season, the elementalist was voted as by FAR the most useless profession. What do you think now? What is the current most useless profession going into season 13 of PVP? Has anything changed? I'm eager to see what everyone thinks! :)

[POLL] Has the most useless profession changed? 81 votes

Warrior
1% 1 vote
Guardian
0% 0 votes
Revenant
7% 6 votes
Ranger
6% 5 votes
Thief
7% 6 votes
Engineer
4% 4 votes
Necromancer
4% 4 votes
Elementalist
64% 52 votes
Mesmer
3% 3 votes

Comments

  • breno.5423breno.5423 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 30, 2018

    None is useless, meanwhile some are still broken though.

  • Kako.1930Kako.1930 Member ✭✭✭

    @breno.5423 said:
    None is useless, but some are still broken though.

    Broken as in too strong? Also, do you mean that when you enter a match and look at your team comp compared to the enemy's comp, you're never disappointed to see a certain profession (or multiples of a certain profession) on your team?

  • breno.5423breno.5423 Member ✭✭✭

    @Kako.1930 said:

    @breno.5423 said:
    None is useless, but some are still broken though.

    Broken as in too strong? Also, do you mean that when you enter a match and look at your team comp compared to the enemy's comp, you're never disappointed to see a certain profession (or multiples of a certain profession) on your team?

    No, but i get scared when the other team owns a plat 2+ herald, or scourge + firebrand.

  • bOTEB.1573bOTEB.1573 Member ✭✭✭✭

    But, didn't ele get increased healing in PvP (riptide)?

    Oh, wait...

    Wishlist:
    Everything that kills me should be nerfed
    Remove all time gates - I play more than some people yet I receive the same rewards per day/week (PvP/WvW tickets etc)
    ANET developments/events and everything else should be in a schedule with the time I play

  • Kako.1930Kako.1930 Member ✭✭✭

    @bOTEB.1573 said:
    But, didn't ele get increased healing in PvP (riptide)?

    Oh, wait...

    Lol. 😭

  • Ele's & thieves

  • Core engi. Useless.

    Sparkr's Wonderful World of Engineering - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEONFRaJV2u2f12ytXEir9A

  • Kako.1930Kako.1930 Member ✭✭✭

    @Peutrifectus.4830 said:
    Core engi. Useless.

    This is just a general profession, not specific build poll though. So it's better to compare the best that each profession has than the worst.

    (I would say renegade if it was build specific though. XD)

  • It's still Ele.

    Sometimes the useless classes change but as it stands right now it seems that wasnt the case.

    Maybe Tempest is amazing now though still need to tinker with it. No class got an outright nerf though, so status quo as usual, give or take non scourge necro moving up a peg or two.

    [Charr Noises]
    [Plays every class]
    [JUST GIT EVEN GUDDER ITS FINE]

  • Faux Play.6104Faux Play.6104 Member ✭✭✭

    At low skill levels different classes will be useless than at high skill levels. A silver tier rev is going to be useless, a plat 2 rev will be strong.

  • Kako.1930Kako.1930 Member ✭✭✭

    @JayPanda.1304 said:
    Why are people voting Rev? Ele is clearly the most useless by far 😂😂😂

    What about that mesmer vote? People be trolling. 😂

  • Kako.1930Kako.1930 Member ✭✭✭

    @Faux Play.6104 said:
    At low skill levels different classes will be useless than at high skill levels. A silver tier rev is going to be useless, a plat 2 rev will be strong.

    Generally speaking, the professions you rarely see in top tier but frequently see in lower tiers are on average less effective performers, and vice versa. Yes, there's always the outlier that eats, sleeps, and breathes guild wars and is able to make the least effective thing work for them, but you know... those are outliers...

    So yeah, a silver anything will seem weak and a plat 2 anything will seem strong, but only because of the player. For example, I got to plat 2 multiple seasons on my scrapper but it's not considered the best thing in the world on average, because it's much more common to see holosmiths or spell breakers or mirages in plat 2 than scrappers. So maybe the question would be better to think of as being like "which profession has the least chance of being #1 on the leaderboard without win trading?"

    I feel like I'm rambling, but I hope it makes sense what I was trying to say. Sorry if it doesn't though. I'm kind of out of it. XD

  • @Kako.1930 said:

    @Faux Play.6104 said:
    At low skill levels different classes will be useless than at high skill levels. A silver tier rev is going to be useless, a plat 2 rev will be strong.

    Generally speaking, the professions you rarely see in top tier but frequently see in lower tiers are on average less effective performers, and vice versa. Yes, there's always the outlier that eats, sleeps, and breathes guild wars and is able to make the least effective thing work for them, but you know... those are outliers...

    So yeah, a silver anything will seem weak and a plat 2 anything will seem strong, but only because of the player. For example, I got to plat 2 multiple seasons on my scrapper but it's not considered the best thing in the world on average, because it's much more common to see holosmiths or spell breakers or mirages in plat 2 than scrappers. So maybe the question would be better to think of as being like "which profession has the least chance of being #1 on the leaderboard without win trading?"

    I feel like I'm rambling, but I hope it makes sense what I was trying to say. Sorry if it doesn't though. I'm kind of out of it. XD

    Do you cringe when you get an ele on your team? 😂😂😂

  • Crinn.7864Crinn.7864 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Too soon after patch to tell

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  • LazySummer.2568LazySummer.2568 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 30, 2018

    was playing my placements yesterday and i keep running into this one guy on enemy team that keeps abusing the matchmaker by queuing as ele and switching to support fb before the match starts. Lost 2 games against him because i was queuing as ele too then the 3rd game when he switched again I immediately switched to meta holo and got a win

  • Kako.1930Kako.1930 Member ✭✭✭

    @JayPanda.1304 said:

    @Kako.1930 said:

    @Faux Play.6104 said:
    At low skill levels different classes will be useless than at high skill levels. A silver tier rev is going to be useless, a plat 2 rev will be strong.

    Generally speaking, the professions you rarely see in top tier but frequently see in lower tiers are on average less effective performers, and vice versa. Yes, there's always the outlier that eats, sleeps, and breathes guild wars and is able to make the least effective thing work for them, but you know... those are outliers...

    So yeah, a silver anything will seem weak and a plat 2 anything will seem strong, but only because of the player. For example, I got to plat 2 multiple seasons on my scrapper but it's not considered the best thing in the world on average, because it's much more common to see holosmiths or spell breakers or mirages in plat 2 than scrappers. So maybe the question would be better to think of as being like "which profession has the least chance of being #1 on the leaderboard without win trading?"

    I feel like I'm rambling, but I hope it makes sense what I was trying to say. Sorry if it doesn't though. I'm kind of out of it. XD

    Do you cringe when you get an ele on your team? 😂😂😂

    Pretty much. It's usually pretty hard for them to get more than a few steps out of spawn before being ganked. If I don't stealth them then they seem to have an 'Easy Target' sign glued to their backs. XD

    Also, I just opened the thread for people to post when they feel like they have an answer. If anyone feels like they haven't seen enough yet, then feel free to come back and vote later. :)

  • Kako.1930Kako.1930 Member ✭✭✭

    @LazySummer.2568 said:
    was playing my placements yesterday and i keep running into this one guy on enemy team that keeps abusing the matchmaker by queuing as ele and switching to support fb before the match starts. Lost 2 games against him because i was queuing as ele too then the 3rd game when he switched again I immediately switched to meta holo and got a win

    It works, lol. Queue up on a useless profession that you know will drag you down if you get it on your team, and then switch to something good. You have less of a chance of getting it on your team that way.

  • Dahkeus.8243Dahkeus.8243 Member ✭✭✭

    kitten is this poll? It’s a yes/no question, but the response options is a list of all the professions., lol.

  • Kako.1930Kako.1930 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dahkeus.8243 said:
    kitten is this poll? It’s a yes/no question, but the response options is a list of all the professions., lol.

    Yeah, I thought about it after the fact, but the answers should be "yes, warrior is the most useless now," "no, ele is still the most useless," etc. XD

    I don't think I can change the options now, though. 😅

  • breno.5423breno.5423 Member ✭✭✭

    I would like to know who is voting for revenant haha
    Crazy people.

  • ArthurDent.9538ArthurDent.9538 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kako.1930 said:

    @Faux Play.6104 said:
    At low skill levels different classes will be useless than at high skill levels. A silver tier rev is going to be useless, a plat 2 rev will be strong.

    So yeah, a silver anything will seem weak and a plat 2 anything will seem strong, but only because of the player. For example, I got to plat 2 multiple seasons on my scrapper but it's not considered the best thing in the world on average, because it's much more common to see holosmiths or spell breakers or mirages in plat 2 than scrappers. So maybe the question would be better to think of as being like "which profession has the least chance of being #1 on the leaderboard without win trading?"

    I largely agree with your statement except that the "which profession has the least chance of being #1 on the leaderboard without win trading?" test is deeply flawed because it does not account for how top tier players can carry much harder when playing certain roles compared to others. In specific I am referring to how mobile hyper offensive builds such as power rev, core guard, power mesmer, and most thief builds are extremely potent at carrying solo q compared to the more defensive meta alternatives. When a top tier player q's into soloq, they will likely be playing against at least 3-4 players dramatically bellow their skill level, with a hyper offense build, they can farm those lower level players quickly and allow their team to spend most of the time fighting out numbered fights in their favor. The hyper offensive builds for the most part can't touch any of the tanky meta duelist builds on their own at equal skill level however those bruiser builds cannot stop the hyper offense player from rapidly farming the lower skilled teammates and then killing the duelist 3v1 with their own pugs. This kind of imbalance is a product of large skill gaps between players at the extremities of the skill bell-curve plus the basic nature of high risk/high reward builds achieving more more reward than low risk/low reward builds when the reward is acquired which I do not see as a balance problem. To emphasize my point, one piece of advice that I have heard streamers like Sindrener give to players who get stuck in matches where they are out skilled by everyone around them is to play something survivable so that they don't become food for the opposing team's hyper offensive carry; if they can stay on their feet, they can let their own teammates carry them much more easily than if they also try to play glass and just get blown up at every turn.

    So instead of focusing on the build most likely to get #1 on the leader board, a more appropriate test for balance would be what classes are the most likely to simply reach platinum and which classes see the most success in automated tournaments? At platinum 1, at least in theory, players will generally be decent enough to be used as reasonable references for balance while being plentiful enough to allow smaller gaps between the top player skill and the bottom player skill in a given game. In games where players are all evenly skilled, hyper offense becomes much less potent while supports and bruisers become essential. Judging balance off of AT performance follows this idea when you get the later rounds in the tournaments, as they tend to bring most of the best players into the same matches. Another potential reference would be the custom arena scrimmages a lot of top tier players like to do. This would probably be the best source of data except it would be difficult for devs to actually get anything useful from it without directly asking the involved players for their opinions.

  • Eddbopkins.2630Eddbopkins.2630 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 30, 2018

    Ele is still the worst? I havnt played yet this season, been busy with work and like lifeness stuff...ill be trying fa scepter/f ele this weekend, i dout it will be any better since nothing got changed on it but w.e. it my favorite play style.

    Eddit added: And of course ele will still be the worst all they did was buff sword i think....and leave the other 2 specs core and tempest alone so why should it be different now that i think about it.

  • Crann.1342Crann.1342 Member ✭✭

    Hey, hey guys, listen...

    Elementalist isn't underpowered, everything else is just overpowered :)
    just wait till anet nerf the other specs ;) :)

  • shinta.8906shinta.8906 Member ✭✭✭

    they gonna give us micromanagement ;)

  • Kako.1930Kako.1930 Member ✭✭✭

    @Crann.1342 said:
    Hey, hey guys, listen...

    Elementalist isn't underpowered, everything else is just overpowered :)
    just wait till anet nerf the other specs ;) :)

    Something needs to be done... Soon. (TM)

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