The only wish I have about raids

I have a dream....that one day the other classes will be as good and efficient and desired in raids as mesmer has been since HOT was introduced. We have:

• one elite spec that can keep both quickness and alactrity up for everyone, while giving them other boons...oh mama, this is nice, 100% perfect support/buffer
• one elite spec that got the top numbers as the best condi dps and can dodge without even moving, so his rotation is not affectet

We have one class that can both fill the ranks of top supporter, tank and top condi dps.But what do mesmer lacks and needs? Here we go (sarcasm alert):

• one spec that can heal everyone like no druid ever dreamed of doing it
• one spec that can power dps like no warrior or guard ever tried......one class that would beat Goku's power level (he is 150.000.000 in Super sayan form)
• one spec that has 1% with every hit to insta kill

Mesmer does not follow the meta, he is the meta!

@Daniel.5428 said:

• one elite spec that got the top numbers as the best condi dps and can dodge without even moving, so his rotation is not affectet

Core engineer should've been the best candidate for this. Unfortunately, ArenaNet nerfed Thermal Vision from 10% to 5% in the recent balance patch because they thought that it would be too powerful and further proving how much they hate the profession. Little do they know that core engineer is rarely seen in raids and core engineer mains like myself have to work five times harder than anyone else in order to be on par with everyone else.

Core engineers are almost never wanted in raids because Holosmith is easier to play and better. It should be the other way around; Holosmith is easier to play, but not as effective as core engineer and Scrapper and core engineer is better than Holosmith in every way possible.

I agree with you here. As a person who've been playing engi only (I have a druid, warr and guard for raids) for the last 5 years, I really loved condi engi and most of my raid bosses as dps were killed on condi engi. But now I play Holo, for the solo reason that is more faster for the simple pve content (story, AP farm etc.). Since HoC nobody wanted me as condi engi so I started raiding as holo too. But my point here was different. You will see raids without thieves, without necroes, without engies, without guards but you will never see a raid without at least 2 mesmers. A guy from the guild Lucky Noobs (who already killed all 3 bosses from the new wing and posted youtube videos) told me that one of their groups did the Largos twins(you have 2 mins to phase the boss or wipe) 2 minutes faster than their main with their mirage-only group because of their huge damage output.

Link to the video with comments:

I thought power chrono dps was pretty good only problem is people want support chrono not damage ones.

@Daniel.5428 said:

I have a dream....that one day the other classes will be as good and efficient and desired in raids as mesmer has been since HOT was introduced. We have:

• one elite spec that can keep both quickness and alactrity up for everyone, while giving them other boons...oh mama, this is nice, 100% perfect support/buffer

Agreed, they need to introduce more pure boon support specs ideally with 100% uptime on alacrity and quickness.

@Daniel.5428 said:

• one elite spec that got the top numbers as the best condi dps and can dodge without even moving, so his rotation is not affectet

Yes major concern, how long do balance patches last? 3 months until the top dps spot gets reshuffled?

How is power Holo at the moment? Enjoying having taken all them Weaver spots in raids?

@Daniel.5428 said:We have one class that can both fill the ranks of top supporter, tank and top condi dps.

There is better tanks in game than chrono. It's just that chrono can support and tank which makes it great at doing that job.

@Daniel.5428 said:But what do mesmer lacks and needs? Here we go (sarcasm alert):

• one spec that can heal everyone like no druid ever dreamed of doing it

Druids are the worst healers out of all the healer builds from a pure heal output (and it's not even close how bad they are), not sure why you would want to top them? Let's aim for the top spots of heal Renegade or heal tempest if we are aiming for overpowered healing shall we?

@Daniel.5428 said:

• one spec that can power dps like no warrior or guard ever tried......one class that would beat Goku's power level (he is 150.000.000 in Super sayan form)

Are we only considering most recent balance patches? Why not top weaver/tempest power dps which was top spot for over 2 years? Why only focus on the short term and not long term? If we are going to hyperbole let's do it right.

@Daniel.5428 said:

• one spec that has 1% with every hit to insta kill

You mean like the bugged thief builds which were able to solo Dhuum and other bosses until the bug was fixed? Was already done, Arenanet decided to nerf it.

@Daniel.5428 said:

Mesmer does not follow the meta, he is the meta!

Actually the meta is and always has been maximum damage which so far has always required quickness, alacrity, might and fury. Two of those 2 chronos have been excelling at providing while there has been no alternatives provided that is all.

I wish that the raid community would open thier arms to noobs. Seems more and more raiders are driving themselves further away from everyone else. You are not helping your cause by pushing them away. I get it some people are bad but there are many who do want to learn but that im better and your shit attitude is just ridiculous and makes them not want to try. Dont forget we all started at being shit.

@Magnus Godrik.5841 said:I wish that the raid community would open thier arms to noobs. Seems more and more raiders are driving themselves further away from everyone else. You are not helping your cause by pushing them away. I get it some people are bad but there are many who do want to learn but that im better and your kitten attitude is just ridiculous and makes them not want to try. Dont forget we all started at being kitten.

What more then the numbers of training runs that are already being done do you guys want?If your asking for 8-9 experienced raiders to carry you through raids then pay for it, you wont learn much that way anyway.

@Magnus Godrik.5841 said:I wish that the raid community would open thier arms to noobs. Seems more and more raiders are driving themselves further away from everyone else. You are not helping your cause by pushing them away. I get it some people are bad but there are many who do want to learn but that im better and your kitten attitude is just ridiculous and makes them not want to try. Dont forget we all started at being kitten.

The GW2 raid community is extremly toxic. GW2 raids are more like a business, most of the times you will see more sellers than actually LFG groups and some people on LFG just made brainless extreme demands like a guy who asked for 50+ Dhuum KP for a group on Largos or another group I've met were people were called idiots, baboons and retarded on every step. This game used to be cool, but the endgame is toxic now. From raids to fractals, pvp and even W3....pve open world is still ok, you do not get insulted.

@Daniel.5428 said:you do not get insulted.

I guess you´ve never seen a Meta Event fail?

@Magnus Godrik.5841 said:I wish that the raid community would open thier arms to noobs. Seems more and more raiders are driving themselves further away from everyone else. You are not helping your cause by pushing them away. I get it some people are bad but there are many who do want to learn but that im better and your kitten attitude is just ridiculous and makes them not want to try. Dont forget we all started at being kitten.

There are training runs for that. You can't expect people to sacrifice their time (and likely clears) for your own convenience and leisure.

@Daniel.5428 said:

@Magnus Godrik.5841 said:I wish that the raid community would open thier arms to noobs. Seems more and more raiders are driving themselves further away from everyone else. You are not helping your cause by pushing them away. I get it some people are bad but there are many who do want to learn but that im better and your kitten attitude is just ridiculous and makes them not want to try. Dont forget we all started at being kitten.

So you couldn't provide 50 Dhumm KP, big deal, then don't join his squad. Join a different one or make your own.

The only one toxic in this situation is you for calling someone out on giving a specific quality to join his group. Is it over demanding? Maybe but that is not for you to decide but him. If no one joins him he will change his search parameters or not fill his squad.

You have 0 right to some one else's squad. Just like no one should have any rights to your squad. Period.

@Magnus Godrik.5841 said:I wish that the raid community would open thier arms to noobs. Seems more and more raiders are driving themselves further away from everyone else. You are not helping your cause by pushing them away. I get it some people are bad but there are many who do want to learn but that im better and your kitten attitude is just ridiculous and makes them not want to try. Dont forget we all started at being kitten.

Theres tons of guild that do training run multiple times a week and even lfg trainings now and then with pugs. Theres more than enough opportunity to get into raiding if you really wanted to. Problem is too many people who try to start raiding dont even have an understanding of basic mechanics in this game like cc, and cant output more than 3k dps. I quit training people in raids because i got tired of having to spend 1 hr teaching ppl their rotations before we could even start the boss mechanics. People should at least know their class if they want to come to a raid.

This is also why noone wants to join lfg trainings, and why they usually fail.

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@Daniel.5428 said:

@Magnus Godrik.5841 said:I wish that the raid community would open thier arms to noobs. Seems more and more raiders are driving themselves further away from everyone else. You are not helping your cause by pushing them away. I get it some people are bad but there are many who do want to learn but that im better and your kitten attitude is just ridiculous and makes them not want to try. Dont forget we all started at being kitten.

Keep on preachin'

But like most parts of sermons, they will fall on deaf ears.

@Daniel.5428 said:

@Magnus Godrik.5841 said:I wish that the raid community would open thier arms to noobs. Seems more and more raiders are driving themselves further away from everyone else. You are not helping your cause by pushing them away. I get it some people are bad but there are many who do want to learn but that im better and your kitten attitude is just ridiculous and makes them not want to try. Dont forget we all started at being kitten.

And here I am, a pretty mediocre player who plays with friends every week and has fun succeeding at raids (video proof of my mediocrity: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzOdIGPiGbE). I've said many times, don't pug. I feel like a lot of people on the forums scoff at this suggestion, but it truly is a different game when you play it with your friends instead of random pugs.

@thrag.9740 said:And here I am, a pretty mediocre player who plays with friends every week and has fun succeeding at raids (video proof of my mediocrity: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzOdIGPiGbE). I've said many times, don't pug. I feel like a lot of people on the forums scoff at this suggestion, but it truly is a different game when you play it with your friends instead of random pugs.

There is no purpose to the game mode if you cannot do it with the random ppl from the community. This is why it is called MMO, to do a lot of things with the other millions of people that play. Not everyone can bring 9 friends into the game just to do raids.

@Daniel.5428 said:

@thrag.9740 said:And here I am, a pretty mediocre player who plays with friends every week and has fun succeeding at raids (video proof of my mediocrity: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzOdIGPiGbE). I've said many times, don't pug. I feel like a lot of people on the forums scoff at this suggestion, but it truly is a different game when you play it with your friends instead of random pugs.

No but you can make 9 other people in game your friends you know socialising you should try it bud.They always said it from the start it was not supposed to be puged

@Daniel.5428 said:

@thrag.9740 said:And here I am, a pretty mediocre player who plays with friends every week and has fun succeeding at raids (video proof of my mediocrity: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzOdIGPiGbE). I've said many times, don't pug. I feel like a lot of people on the forums scoff at this suggestion, but it truly is a different game when you play it with your friends instead of random pugs.

That's your opinion. There is just as much merit to the idea that people should form guilds and play with others on a consistent basis.

Also your point is moot. PUG groups have cleared all raid content (CM Dhuum included) it just ends up to be more difficult due to the lack of consistency. It is doable though.

You get to deicide how challenging you want to make raiding for yourself by joining a guild or not. There is no reason to balance around the social hermit who does not want to put enough effort in to overcome the increased difficulty when designing challenging content in a MMO.

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@Daniel.5428 said:

@thrag.9740 said:And here I am, a pretty mediocre player who plays with friends every week and has fun succeeding at raids (video proof of my mediocrity: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzOdIGPiGbE). I've said many times, don't pug. I feel like a lot of people on the forums scoff at this suggestion, but it truly is a different game when you play it with your friends instead of random pugs.

I've cleared all raids with pugs only too. But still I don't feel any achi. The raid system is just basic and elementary. And the fashion wars is stronger than ever. Do all the possible challenges in a raid for.....a chair.

@Daniel.5428 said:

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@Daniel.5428 said:

@thrag.9740 said:And here I am, a pretty mediocre player who plays with friends every week and has fun succeeding at raids (video proof of my mediocrity: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzOdIGPiGbE). I've said many times, don't pug. I feel like a lot of people on the forums scoff at this suggestion, but it truly is a different game when you play it with your friends instead of random pugs.

That's a question of reward balance though isn't it? Not difficulty balance.

Sure one could discuss how rewarding raids should be and if the rewards merit the time investment. I do believe there might be a lot of pushback on that issue from non raid players.

Again, different issue and not directly related to difficulty balance.

@"Daniel.5428" said:There is no purpose to the game mode if you cannot do it with the random ppl from the community. This is why it is called MMO, to do a lot of things with the other millions of people that play. Not everyone can bring 9 friends into the game just to do raids.

See how well playing with randoms works in PVP. No identity, no socializing, just press a button, get some randoms in your teams and as enemies, then come on the forums and complain about balance and matchmaking. And all this because that game mode is built around playing it with random ppl from the community. One could argue that this is true for the rest of the open world too.

As for your last part, you don't bring 9 friends just to do Raids, if these "friends" are there only to help you clear Raids then I don't think they are actually your friends to begin with.

@Linken.6345 said:

@Daniel.5428 said:

@thrag.9740 said:And here I am, a pretty mediocre player who plays with friends every week and has fun succeeding at raids (video proof of my mediocrity: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzOdIGPiGbE). I've said many times, don't pug. I feel like a lot of people on the forums scoff at this suggestion, but it truly is a different game when you play it with your friends instead of random pugs.

I wish I can make the other 9ppl in EU play at my play time. I don't have many variable to choose from. hence I can only pug. I am an oceanic player with an EU guild to manage since gw1.Don't forget many others also have different shift work making joining a static group not possible. Pug isn't bad, just have to grow a thicker skin and put up with many very mean people.

@Cyninja.2954 said:That's a question of reward balance though isn't it? Not difficulty balance.

Sure one could discuss how rewarding raids should be and if the rewards merit the time investment. I do believe there might be a lot of pushback on that issue from non raid players.

Again, different issue and not directly related to difficulty balance.

I never said that raids are difficult. I complained about the lacking of balanced classe. I had to create additional classes like druid and mesmer just to get a bigger chance to take part in raids because Anet, who bragged about non-trinity, went straight into the heart of trinity. The rewards are not bad either, I enjoy the ascended gear, but that chair is stupid. Until now most of the novelties were gem-store items, now they are introducing them as end-game hard content reward? It just turns the game more fashion based. Even the collections from this episodes make you farm a lot and spend over 100g (that idiot Sigil of Nullification) for a set of shiny armor skin because nobody does so much for an exotic set.

@"maddoctor.2738" said:See how well playing with randoms works in PVP. No identity, no socializing, just press a button, get some randoms in your teams and as enemies, then come on the forums and complain about balance and matchmaking. And all this because that game mode is built around playing it with random ppl from the community. One could argue that this is true for the rest of the open world too.As for your last part, you don't bring 9 friends just to do Raids, if these "friends" are there only to help you clear Raids then I don't think they are actually your friends to begin with.

PVP should be only with strangers or you risk to have ppl grouping in huge teams and become LB barons. I would not even let them play ranked as a team. Look at raids. We have groups of ppl with over 10.000 gold from selling bosses. They don't even accept gold anymore, they work only with MF coins. That's why the price does not drop because the MF coin is the new raid sellers' currency: time-gates, needed for a lot of end-game gear(legendary)....perfec to create GW2 barons.

@zombyturtle.5980 said:

@"Magnus Godrik.5841" said:I wish that the raid community would open thier arms to noobs. Seems more and more raiders are driving themselves further away from everyone else. You are not helping your cause by pushing them away. I get it some people are bad but there are many who do want to learn but that im better and your kitten attitude is just ridiculous and makes them not want to try. Dont forget we all started at being kitten.

Most training-guilds/communities are invisible to the general playerbase since the LFG just isn't sufficient and there are no decent guild-advertisement-systems/a decent guild-browser in GW2. As long as these guilds and communities aren't visible, they may as well not even exist in the first place. The problem doesn't end here anyway. It's quite common in MMORPGs that "not so good" players keep other "not so good" players down while good players push other good players due to how PvE is generally designed - that's even more true in GW2 due to mechanics like phasing etc. That's why you always want a good mix of player-types if you want to create a healthy MMORPG. The abuse of the LI/LD/KP-system though (which is erecting an unhealthy darwinistic hierarchy) keeps people who're interested in raids down. The chances to rise and get better are rather low compared to other, more healthy MMORPGs. This is especially true for people who are new to raids or returned after some time of absence since the LI/LD/KP-demands are constantly rising. Even veteran raiders with 1k+ LI admit that the demands reached grotesque and very unhealthy dimensions.

@Linken.6345 said:

@Daniel.5428 said:

@thrag.9740 said:And here I am, a pretty mediocre player who plays with friends every week and has fun succeeding at raids (video proof of my mediocrity: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzOdIGPiGbE). I've said many times, don't pug. I feel like a lot of people on the forums scoff at this suggestion, but it truly is a different game when you play it with your friends instead of random pugs.

@Daniel.5428 said:

@thrag.9740 said:And here I am, a pretty mediocre player who plays with friends every week and has fun succeeding at raids (video proof of my mediocrity: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzOdIGPiGbE). I've said many times, don't pug. I feel like a lot of people on the forums scoff at this suggestion, but it truly is a different game when you play it with your friends instead of random pugs.

The problem is the overall game design that makes the game quite unsocial. The basic game content of open world and story doesn't promote socializing and even if you make some friends - which is already hard because the aforementioned game-sections are quite unsocial if you exclude meaningless smalltalk -, you still have the problem that these may not be interested in raids since raids are niche-content anyway due to how this game is designed. Even if you have friends who are interested in raids, they may already have a static, meaning they'll likely not raid with you due to how bad the raid-reward-structures are designed, or they won't have time to raid when you do. It's not about being a "social hermit" it's about this game being designed first and foremost with the single-player-crowd in mind. You have the same problems with finding a raid-guild or even training-guilds. Raids are niche so just a small percentage of the playerbase is interested in them; you also have the problem that guilds are quite invisible due to the lack of a decent guild-advertising-system or guild-browser. People keep telling that you just have to make some friends to raid with in GW2, but always keep forgetting that that's the hard part in this game - exponentially harder than in several other MMORPGs due to how GW2 is designed.

@Talindra.4958 said:I wish I can make the other 9ppl in EU play at my play time. I don't have many variable to choose from. hence I can only pug. I am an oceanic player with an EU guild to manage since gw1

Yes. you are right, schedules are hard to respect. I found a lot of raiding teams but most of them were students or teenagers under 20 so they had a lot of free time. I was usuall at job when they raided.

P.S: Btw, I saw you in a lot of raiding posts of forum and in most scenarios we had very similar points of view. Do you mind if I join your guild, maybe we can raid together from time to time?