How is support engie?

Like the title says, had to go on hiatus to fight burnout and heard Engineer got buffed somewhat recently. Are they any good at healing and support now?

Mediscrapper is a good thing in WvW in a zerg situation. https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Scrapper_-_Med_Kit_Scrapper

@"charliezarded.1892" said:Mediscrapper is a good thing in WvW in a zerg situation. https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Scrapper_-_Med_Kit_Scrapper

What about for stuff like PVE?

Strongest condi conversion in the game. The healing is good, but what people want in groups is quickness, alacrity, 25 might and fury. With mesmers face tanking and supplying protection, aegis, regen, resistance healing isn’t really needed. They might be niche in a condi heavy raid, more than likely would be asked to dps as stacking 25 vulnerability is trivial for us with holo and core Engi. Open world events and fractals, no one cares, play what you enjoy.

Scrapper now specialises in condi cleansing/conversion and tanking, and they are very good at sharing those tanking abilities with allies (Protection, Bulwark Gyro, etc.), and a the same time providing a bit of supportive healing to the healer(s) in the group. For utility they bring 25 vulnerability stacking, alot of combo fields, a decent amount of CC, and can even stealth the party for long durations.

Just beware that healing is not their main role., if you want a dedicated healer play something else.

Despite being seen as niche or not as powerful as other support professions like Firebrand, I'm glad support engineer exists. Engineer, elementalist and guardian are the best candidates for support roles at least when it comes to healing, cleansing and buffing.

@Hannelore.8153 said:Scrapper now specialises in condi cleansing/conversion and tanking, and they are very good at sharing those tanking abilities with allies (Protection, Bulwark Gyro, etc.), and a the same time providing a bit of supportive healing to the healer(s) in the group. For utility they bring 25 vulnerability stacking, alot of combo fields, a decent amount of CC, and can even stealth the party for long durations.

Just beware that healing is not their main role., if you want a dedicated healer play something else.

Eh, engineer is one of the best raw healers there is so this assessment is pretty off the mark (MDF and boon scaling on medkit auto are bonkers).

In theory, a scrapper with enough boon duration and the experimental turret trait can provide perma fury to the group as long as they remain in range of the turret. Coupled with reliable and consistent healing and good damage mitigation through gyros it should at least be considered as a somewhat viable support class.

I crafted a full ascended minstrel set recently, played it a bit in WvW. Your healing is insane and so is your condicleanse. from what i hear your healing output is the highest possible ingame.But its super boooring. WvW is kind of dead, and you dont play support in PvE/raids/fracs as an engineer because healing and condicleanse alone isnt enough to be wanted/useful there.Also you wont get that many lootbags in WvW if thats your thing as say, running marauder holo/scrapper and slapping ppl in the frontlines. I Actually think that in the current state of the game even a condiengineer is more wanted than a healbot-scrapper.Probably gonna change my minstrel set for something else. Maybe trailblazer for the funs.

I prefer cleric armor and water runes with minstrel accessories and weapon. I feel for anything other than zergs, holosmith is better support mostly because of HLA. Scrapper is high mobility heal with good durability and long range aoe stun, perfect for zergs.

I use my DR.Scrapper for both raid and T4, its awesome in T4 specialy with purity of cause, and its converted boon last twice as long with high concentration, mostly harrier stuff and some magi, 95% boon time with utility food alone, 1500 healing power with regeneration, doing fire blast when situation is not too sticky, it gives 3 stack of might for 40 seconds for each blast in AOE, however it need practice.

@Noha.3749 said:But its super boooring. WvW is kind of dead, and you dont play support in PvE/raids/fracs as an engineer because healing and condicleanse alone isnt enough to be wanted/useful there.Also you wont get that many lootbags in WvW if thats your thing as say, running marauder holo/scrapper and slapping ppl in the frontlines. I Actually think that in the current state of the game even a condiengineer is more wanted than a healbot-scrapper.

Condi engie has been totally outclassed by other elites since PoF, so no. Even during HoT it was only decent for having range over the reaper and that was it - it still wasnt wanted in zerging or roaming (sustain scrapper was more common). So its not wanted at all. The only two builds at the moment is power holo and heal scrapper.

@Dawdler.8521 said:

@Noha.3749 said:But its super boooring. WvW is kind of dead, and you dont play support in PvE/raids/fracs as an engineer because healing and condicleanse alone isnt enough to be wanted/useful there.Also you wont get that many lootbags in WvW if thats your thing as say, running marauder holo/scrapper and slapping ppl in the frontlines. I Actually think that in the current state of the game even a condiengineer is more wanted than a healbot-scrapper.

Well ok, Heal scrapper or Power Holo is meta and used for different things. What im saying is more or less that a healscrapper in the current state of WvW with all random unorganized groups, i think that a condiengi might bring more (eventhough condiengi is crap atm.). You wont really be doing anything good without discord/teamspeak with a pug. But yeah with a commander using discord/teamspeak in a relatively organized group or GvG heal-scrapper is definitely good. But worthless in PuGs.

@Noha.3749 said:But yeah with a commander using discord/teamspeak in a relatively organized group or GvG heal-scrapper is definitely good. But worthless in PuGs.

Healscrapper is good in all groups starting from smallscale to larg blobs, unorganized or not. None of its utilities, condi clears or heals is designed to be precasted, so you don't need to react on TS-statements. None of them has a strong delay, so you don't necessarily need to announce them. Only exception would be announcing water fields, so others can blast.Your group-stability, condiclear and heal should be always used on demand. If you heal when people tell you they're low, it's often too late. Keep everyones life bars in focus. Also deactivate zerg-raster so you can see condi applications in your group, to know when to use condiclear. Always stay sticky, to the commander and use gyro to rez off point players. draw group-superspeed when pushing, so slacking/chilled people can keep up.

In Summary, I don't see a need to heavily organize healscrappers abilities in order to make them useful. Thus Healscrappers are in my opinion similar useful and efficient in public zergs and roamer groups with enough damage dealers.

@Dediggefedde.4961Idk man i find healing an unorganized blob where everyone is scattering around like wild hens is kind of inefficient. Sure i can powerheal/cleanse the ones i can reach, but chasing people all over the place to be able to heal just doesnt work out for me. Voicecom is more to be able to group up the squad than for me to heal/cleanse on command.

Of course, it depends on the scale of people dispersion. ^^But usually, even on roamer groups of 5, there are often 3 sticking together. Mostly on enemy-corpses.If I run with 5 pew-hunters that go max-range at a 25° angle, then I have already trouble recognizing them as a group.

If you run a second healer in raids, heal engi is pretty solid.

You can focus on pure heals, CC, might stacking, some personal dps, and a few other niche bits of utility (just not all at once).

Pure healing:Full magi, monk runes, transference+concentration sigils, pistol+shieldRice ball, Bountiful maintenance oilInventions 123, Alchemy 331, Scrapper 312Medkit, Elixir gun, X, X, Mortar kitFor the two free utils I generally run bulwark gyro + elixir R unless the group needs other stuff

DPS oriented:Rifle with a mix of Zerk/Zealot (depends on preference and how much healing is required)Scholar runes, force+transference sigils, rice ball, furious sharpening stoneInventions X23, Alchemy 331, Firearms 332Medkit, Elixir Gun, Bomb kit, Grenade kit, Mortar kitPlays like a core engi power dps build, but you focus on casting EGun 4+5+toolbelt and medkit 5 off cooldown. Medkit 4 + toolbelt is how you burst heal, and if you need further healing you can use mortar 5 and camp medkit autos for a bit. You should be able to manage 8-16k dps depending on how much healing the group needs.

@Noha.3749 said:I crafted a full ascended minstrel set recently, played it a bit in WvW. Your healing is insane and so is your condicleanse. from what i hear your healing output is the highest possible ingame.But its super boooring. WvW is kind of dead, and you dont play support in PvE/raids/fracs as an engineer because healing and condicleanse alone isnt enough to be wanted/useful there.Also you wont get that many lootbags in WvW if thats your thing as say, running marauder holo/scrapper and slapping ppl in the frontlines. I Actually think that in the current state of the game even a condiengineer is more wanted than a healbot-scrapper.Probably gonna change my minstrel set for something else. Maybe trailblazer for the funs.

boring for you doesn't equal bad, wvw imo is almost as alive as it was pre-hot. you get loot bags when targets you have healed get kills, and even if you didn't you will be getting some damage in with hammer 5/ exlixir gun 4, and supply crate. and healbot scrapper can also provide super speed for 10+ people which is great for pushing into groups

In wvw, when there is another scrapper with me and a Chrono it is amazing. Feel pretty invincible, we keep each other alive and everyone else pretty easily. I really like it when the commander is a scrapper, we can push in pretty hard and fast. Survivability is really good.