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Realm Avenger - Can it be reduced?

Topic.

Am I the only one who sees the 250k player kills in WvW as an unachievable goal for WvW?
Currently sitting at 75k after 6 years of GW2, most of that time with WvW being my main game mode.

I understand it was not reduced with the other achievements because of the fact that players had already achieved it.
I wanted to ask anyway if it was possible to reduce it to something like 125k.

For me anyway, it would still be a goal that is a couple of years away but it would actually be obtainable.

Thoughts?

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Comments

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭
    1. Join fighting guild (the ones that overstack on a linked server cause they want fights against pugs)
    2. Keep farming pugs
    3. Achievement done
  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Draeyon.4392 said:
    Topic.

    Am I the only one who sees the 250k player kills in WvW as an unachievable goal for WvW?
    Currently sitting at 75k after 6 years of GW2, most of that time with WvW being my main game mode.

    I understand it was not reduced with the other achievements because of the fact that players had already achieved it.
    I wanted to ask anyway if it was possible to reduce it to something like 125k.

    For me anyway, it would still be a goal that is a couple of years away but it would actually be obtainable.

    Thoughts?

    fastest way to get this is be a necro and spew ae to everyone. =)

    go to an active server t2 the average between the three. should be your best choice

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • It's clearly not unachievable since there are people that got it a year after release.

    If you want this achievement then you have to participate in blob fights all the time. There's no way around it.

    Just dodge

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kraljevo.2801 said:
    It's clearly not unachievable since there are people that got it a year after release.

    If you want this achievement then you have to participate in blob fights all the time. There's no way around it.

    Not all the time
    But a good raid certainly helps

    [HUNT] the predatory instinct

  • I got nearly 600k kills in 4 years so I would say 250k is ez pz to get.

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  • Fair enough.
    Checked gw2efficiency for some stats.
    Accounts with 4000 hours+: 1-2% have achieved it.
    Less than 4000: Below 0.5%

    Still dont know how accessible it is. Devs have better statistics so if they happen to pass through, ye.

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There's also people sitting near/above a million with no achievement to mark their progress
    Just for perspective.

    [HUNT] the predatory instinct

  • Israel.7056Israel.7056 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Just takes time and even a semi decent guild.

    If you're trying to get it solo roaming then yeah it's probably gonna take a very long time.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Israel.7056 said:
    If you're trying to get it solo roaming then yeah it's probably gonna take a very long time.

    A very, very, very, veeeeeeery long time.

    But yes, thats pretty must how it works. Try running a bit, look at inventory. Got 5 bags, 10 bags hell maybe even a whooping 20 bags!? Well in that time there is 100% chance a guard or necro will already have bragged about the 150+ lootbags they got in an hour just because they're that good.

    I personally couldnt care any less about making it more available because I think the use of titles in WvW is silly and something that distracts from the visuals on the same level as those stupid minis.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's not really supposed to be something that is easy to get. There are many extremely grindy achievements especially in the competitive modes

    Smugly chuckling forever.
    My sentence doesn't make sense? Well, I probably forgot to write half of it before posting.

  • Celsith.2753Celsith.2753 Member ✭✭✭

    I got it a few years ago when I still mained thief. I imagine if you're completely solo all the time its pretty hard but even in small groups its doable by now. There's already a lot of people who already have this achievement which is why it won't be changed.

    885k+ WvW kills
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  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Its possible but you HAVE to play classes like necro that can hit as many targets as possible. If you play mostly support like me , then that AP is almost inpossible.

  • ReV.6097ReV.6097 Member ✭✭✭

    For us lazies, it would just add more insentive to do more WvW if things like titles were not gonna take years to achieve.
    But for those who live in WvW all day long, this would be unfair (although they wouldn't really complain if it meant getting the titles quicker anyway).

    I agree with OP :P

  • join a fight guild with a uesfull class instead of a ranger?

  • No.
    They could add a separate achieve for 50k and call it "I played a bit of WvW and want to feel I achieved something"
    Title: casual af

  • 6 y and still a 75 k in 3 y i mke 150 k so stop play you kitten ranger in wvw bring meta class and farm bag and some get 1 M kill

  • Sylosi.6503Sylosi.6503 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    Why would you want it, all it means is you are blobber that plays necro, guard, etc and has shown the immense "skill" of hitting another blob with AOE or if you had a really small pee-pee that you went into Obsidian Sanctum and kill traded with other similarly physically lacking specimens.

  • HazyDaisy.4107HazyDaisy.4107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    6 years here as well, sitting at 50 something Thousand. I was almost done with the full yak scorter and slapper chieve's when they were lowered and now I only have this chieve and the 2 SMC chieve's left (too bad I dislike ebg), still I know I'll get those 2 SMCS done and likely retire with this one still sitting on the table.

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  • OrchusGhole.9846OrchusGhole.9846 Member ✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    All you need to do is 1. join a guild that only admits one of the 5 meta builds, 2. run around in their pirate blob using zero tactical thinking spamming the same 2 aoe abilites over and over and over, 3. constantly verbally harass anyone who isn't using one of 5 said meta builds and dares to run close to your meta pirate blob, tell them to focus on downs, tell them they're useless, don't rally or rez them, and so on, 4. think you're at the height of achievement when you're really partially responsible for this game mode's slow death. After about a year of that, you should have your achievement.

  • @Israel.7056 said:

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:
    All you need to do is 1. join a guild that only admits one of the 5 meta builds, 2. run around in their pirate blob using zero tactical thinking spamming the same 2 aoe abilites over and over and over, 3. constantly verbally harass anyone who isn't using one of 5 said meta builds and dares to run close to your meta pirate blob, tell them to focus on downs, tell them they're useless, don't rally or rez them, and so on, 4. think you're at the height of achievement when you're really partially responsible for this game mode's slow death. After about a year of that, you should have your achievement.

    Lollll so bitter i smell a ranger.

    Ah so I guess you think a game mode that excludes 13 out of 18 specializations from being effective in large scale encounters is a well designed system?

  • SoV.5139SoV.5139 Member ✭✭✭

    No meta class needed. Its not kill 250K. Its hit 250K opponent players once each, while the OmniBlob® carpet rolls them all on its way to victory. Even a choke bow thief could farm this in an optimized fashion. Just need to abandon anything interesting like havoc, smaller fights, and precision based gaming in general. Job requires a scalpel? Toss a daisy cutter or two at it and watch the "kill total" pile up. Achievement unlocked.

    TL;DR? You learned how to burst DPS one thing pretty well? This specific achievement doesnt reward that. It rewards hitting as many things as you can with insignificant splash damage.

  • @Kraljevo.2801 said:
    It's clearly not unachievable since there are people that got it a year after release.

    If you want this achievement then you have to participate in blob fights all the time. There's no way around it.

    There was an issue/bug/exploit in the OS wasnt there? I remember seeing tons of people there farming kills on spawn and getting insane amount of kills that day. Not sure if that was reverted later.

  • Israel.7056Israel.7056 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:

    @Israel.7056 said:

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:
    All you need to do is 1. join a guild that only admits one of the 5 meta builds, 2. run around in their pirate blob using zero tactical thinking spamming the same 2 aoe abilites over and over and over, 3. constantly verbally harass anyone who isn't using one of 5 said meta builds and dares to run close to your meta pirate blob, tell them to focus on downs, tell them they're useless, don't rally or rez them, and so on, 4. think you're at the height of achievement when you're really partially responsible for this game mode's slow death. After about a year of that, you should have your achievement.

    Lollll so bitter i smell a ranger.

    Ah so I guess you think a game mode that excludes 13 out of 18 specializations from being effective in large scale encounters is a well designed system?

    I have learned to have very low expectations for balance in MMOs so I'd say it's pretty well designed compared to the other MMOs I've played. But I also don't really care that much because I've always been able to quickly swap and learn to play something useful and wanted in every game mode I've ever played in every game I've ever played including this one. I've personally swapped mains 4 times since launch. If you can't be bothered to try to learn to play something other than ranger in WvW even when it's been transparently clear that it's mostly useless and unwanted by pretty much every WvW guild since launch then I think that's on you.

  • I am at 150k. I actually went from 80k to 120k in about 2 months.

  • OrchusGhole.9846OrchusGhole.9846 Member ✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    @Israel.7056 said:

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:

    @Israel.7056 said:

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:
    All you need to do is 1. join a guild that only admits one of the 5 meta builds, 2. run around in their pirate blob using zero tactical thinking spamming the same 2 aoe abilites over and over and over, 3. constantly verbally harass anyone who isn't using one of 5 said meta builds and dares to run close to your meta pirate blob, tell them to focus on downs, tell them they're useless, don't rally or rez them, and so on, 4. think you're at the height of achievement when you're really partially responsible for this game mode's slow death. After about a year of that, you should have your achievement.

    Lollll so bitter i smell a ranger.

    Ah so I guess you think a game mode that excludes 13 out of 18 specializations from being effective in large scale encounters is a well designed system?

    I have learned to have very low expectations for balance in MMOs so I'd say it's pretty well designed compared to the other MMOs I've played. But I also don't really care that much because I've always been able to quickly swap and learn to play something useful and wanted in every game mode I've ever played in every game I've ever played including this one. I've personally swapped mains 4 times since launch. If you can't be bothered to try to learn to play something other than ranger in WvW even when it's been transparently clear that it's mostly useless and unwanted by pretty much every WvW guild since launch then I think that's on you.

    Nah, I'm pretty sure that's on the people who created the entire class to be useless in that given situation. Funny how you vaguely insult me like I'm an idiot who can't learn a new class, as if GW2 is some monumentally complicated game to be proficient at, but that's the typical mindset with you guys and exactly what I'm talking about, as if you somehow think ranger is the ONLY class I've ever played in this game. You haven't offered any insight, just veiled insults, which means you responded to me simply to harass someone voicing concerns about problems they have with gameplay, not to offer anything meaningful. Pretty toxic, don't you think? Of course in your effort to troll me, you've completely missed the point which is this; meta pirate ship WvW is BORING AS HELL and caters to the laziest and most brainless approach to a WvW game there could possibly be. There is absolutely zero tactical thinking, zero variety to how battles are won; stack up, mash the same AoE buttons as you move about in a blob comprised of less than a third of the possible specs in the game, and of course it gives rise to obnoxious elitists who slowly kill the game with their toxic exclusionary behavior. And don't pretend the problem is exclusive to rangers, because you know it isn't.

  • shiri.4257shiri.4257 Member ✭✭✭

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:
    All you need to do is 1. join a guild that only admits one of the 5 meta builds, 2. run around in their pirate blob using zero tactical thinking spamming the same 2 aoe abilites over and over and over, 3. constantly verbally harass anyone who isn't using one of 5 said meta builds and dares to run close to your meta pirate blob, tell them to focus on downs, tell them they're useless, don't rally or rez them, and so on, 4. think you're at the height of achievement when you're really partially responsible for this game mode's slow death. After about a year of that, you should have your achievement.

    takes more skill to work as a team than as an individual.

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  • OrchusGhole.9846OrchusGhole.9846 Member ✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    @shiri.4257 said:

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:
    All you need to do is 1. join a guild that only admits one of the 5 meta builds, 2. run around in their pirate blob using zero tactical thinking spamming the same 2 aoe abilites over and over and over, 3. constantly verbally harass anyone who isn't using one of 5 said meta builds and dares to run close to your meta pirate blob, tell them to focus on downs, tell them they're useless, don't rally or rez them, and so on, 4. think you're at the height of achievement when you're really partially responsible for this game mode's slow death. After about a year of that, you should have your achievement.

    takes more skill to work as a team than as an individual.

    I haven't said a single thing about playing as an individual in WvW. I'm saying the skill and teamwork required to run a blob of 5 classes around a map spamming AoE is equivalent to the skill required to slam my face into the keyboard, both of which result in a boring mess that lacks in variety and thought.

  • shiri.4257shiri.4257 Member ✭✭✭

    I haven't said a single thing about playing as an individual in WvW. I'm saying the skill and teamwork required to run a blob of 5 classes around a map spamming AoE is equivalent to the skill required to slam my face into the keyboard, both of which result in a boring mess that lacks in variety and thought.

    It takes more skill to slam your face into the keyboard and not get injured than to bring a viable class and build to a zerg fight or a roaming fight respectively.

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  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Ragers,
    Sing us the song of your people

    [HUNT] the predatory instinct

  • Israel.7056Israel.7056 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:
    Nah, I'm pretty sure that's on the people who created the entire class to be useless in that given situation. Funny how you vaguely insult me like I'm an idiot who can't learn a new class, as if GW2 is some monumentally complicated game to be proficient at, but that's the typical mindset with you guys and exactly what I'm talking about, as if you somehow think ranger is the ONLY class I've ever played in this game. You haven't offered any insight, just veiled insults, which means you responded to me simply to harass someone voicing concerns about problems they have with gameplay, not to offer anything meaningful. Pretty toxic, don't you think? Of course in your effort to troll me, you've completely missed the point which is this; meta pirate ship WvW is BORING AS HELL and caters to the laziest and most brainless approach to a WvW game there could possibly be. There is absolutely zero tactical thinking, zero variety to how battles are won; stack up, mash the same AoE buttons as you move about in a blob comprised of less than a third of the possible specs in the game, and of course it gives rise to obnoxious elitists who slowly kill the game with their toxic exclusionary behavior. And don't pretend the problem is exclusive to rangers, because you know it isn't.

    You don't like the meta? Too bad. You think it's too simple? Too bad. You don't want to play something other than your ranger? Too bad. Get kicked then.

    You don't have the right to be included in anything. No one has any responsibility to play the game with you if they don't want to. No one owes you a single minute of their time.

    I don't have any amazing insight to offer you here just a simple truth: fix up or get kicked by most squads.

    But to quote the great movie Blade: "there always some kitten trying to ice skate uphill."

  • OrchusGhole.9846OrchusGhole.9846 Member ✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    @Israel.7056 said:

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:
    Nah, I'm pretty sure that's on the people who created the entire class to be useless in that given situation. Funny how you vaguely insult me like I'm an idiot who can't learn a new class, as if GW2 is some monumentally complicated game to be proficient at, but that's the typical mindset with you guys and exactly what I'm talking about, as if you somehow think ranger is the ONLY class I've ever played in this game. You haven't offered any insight, just veiled insults, which means you responded to me simply to harass someone voicing concerns about problems they have with gameplay, not to offer anything meaningful. Pretty toxic, don't you think? Of course in your effort to troll me, you've completely missed the point which is this; meta pirate ship WvW is BORING AS HELL and caters to the laziest and most brainless approach to a WvW game there could possibly be. There is absolutely zero tactical thinking, zero variety to how battles are won; stack up, mash the same AoE buttons as you move about in a blob comprised of less than a third of the possible specs in the game, and of course it gives rise to obnoxious elitists who slowly kill the game with their toxic exclusionary behavior. And don't pretend the problem is exclusive to rangers, because you know it isn't.

    You don't like the meta? Too bad. You think it's too simple? Too bad. You don't want to play something other than your ranger? Too bad. Get kicked then.

    You don't have the right to be included in anything. No one has any responsibility to play the game with you if they don't want to. No one owes you a single minute of their time.

    I don't have any amazing insight to offer you here just a simple truth: fix up or get kicked by most squads.

    But to quote the great movie Blade: "there always some kitten trying to ice skate uphill."

    When did I say I had the "right" to anything kid? kitten are you on about? Thanks for the psycho analysis but you can shove it. I'm talking about the DEVELOPERS' responsibility to create classes in a way that make them useful in WvW, which was supposed to be the biggest draw of the game. The developers OWE their customers because we paid for the game. Does that not make sense to you? I mean if that's how they're going to do it, just put a disclaimer when you start a character that says "Not Viable In Large Scale WvW" so people don't waste their time and money. I also never stated that I don't want to play anything other than my ranger. I'm saying it's a problem that the majority of specializations in the entire game are useless in the central PvP conflicts. I don't see how that's unreasonable to voice that concern.

    How the hell do you consider this an unreasonable expectation of a game? As if I'm some bad person for expressing my opinion about the current state of WvW in an online forum that exists specifically for that purpose. But I guess your attitude is that if someone doesn't agree with your assessment of things, or doesn't like the current state of WvW, then we're "**** trying to ice skate uphill" and deserve to be harassed and ridiculed.

  • shiri.4257shiri.4257 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    Every class is useful. it's when a player brings a roaming build to a zerg fight. and a zerg build to roam. The developers have made POF quite well. The players on the other hand...haven't fully developed.

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  • OrchusGhole.9846OrchusGhole.9846 Member ✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    @shiri.4257 said:
    Every class is useful. it's when a player brings a roaming build to a zerg fight. and a zerg build to roam. The developers have made POF quite well. The players on the other hand...haven't fully developed.

    Again, most classes don't have builds that are effective in large scale fights. And I can specifically tell you that the developers know quite well that WvW is a broken mutation of overpowered mechanics and brainless gameplay. Do you really think they intentionally designed WvW in a way that excludes the majority of classes and builds from a central attraction of their game and forces people to run around in a stack of AoE spamming cookie-cutter builds?

  • shiri.4257shiri.4257 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:

    @shiri.4257 said:
    Every class is useful. it's when a player brings a roaming build to a zerg fight. and a zerg build to roam. The developers have made POF quite well. The players on the other hand...haven't fully developed.

    Again, most classes don't have builds that are effective in large scale fights. And I can specifically tell you that the developers know quite well that WvW is a broken mutation of overpowered mechanics and brainless gameplay. Do you really think they intentionally designed WvW in a way that excludes the majority of classes and builds from a central attraction of their game?

    The majority of classes are included in large scale fights (Guardian, warrior, mesmer, necro, weaver, revenant, engineer) are 7 classes that compete for a 5 man party spot. 7 does seem like a majority. Perhaps the developers need a better tutorial for players to learn the mechanics and roles properly. I'd even argue a proper thief/ranger targetting specific enemy players have a strong role in zerg play (ie: driver/command squad sniping).

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  • Israel.7056Israel.7056 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:
    But I guess your attitude is that if someone doesn't agree with your assessment of things, or doesn't like the current state of WvW, then we're "kitten trying to ice skate uphill" and deserve to be harassed and ridiculed.

    I think that your gaming attitude as you've expressed it so far is in this thread is worthy of ridicule because it's like someone trying to ice skate uphill and blaming anyone who doesn't want to join them in the attempt or help them when they inevitably fail at it.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    eotm is no longer as populated and ppl are affected by the kd thing.

    it wont be as easy as before but. if u join t2 - the 2nd ranked server is best choice. why

    most enemies are blobs. not as.tactical as siege play. so will not be boring.

    necro, ele - 2 fasted to get it. pew and survive. =)

    u may get an average 100 to 600 tags a day.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Sylosi.6503Sylosi.6503 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    @shiri.4257 said:

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:

    @shiri.4257 said:
    Every class is useful. it's when a player brings a roaming build to a zerg fight. and a zerg build to roam. The developers have made POF quite well. The players on the other hand...haven't fully developed.

    Again, most classes don't have builds that are effective in large scale fights. And I can specifically tell you that the developers know quite well that WvW is a broken mutation of overpowered mechanics and brainless gameplay. Do you really think they intentionally designed WvW in a way that excludes the majority of classes and builds from a central attraction of their game?

    The majority of classes are included in large scale fights (Guardian, warrior, mesmer, necro, weaver, revenant, engineer) are 7 classes that compete for a 5 man party spot. 7 does seem like a majority. Perhaps the developers need a better tutorial for players to learn the mechanics and roles properly. I'd even argue a proper thief/ranger targetting specific enemy players have a strong role in zerg play (ie: driver/command squad sniping).

    Nah, if you look over the history of this game and what has been meta for zergs then basically at any given time you've typically had about half the classes as either completely surplus to requirements (normally engy, ranger, thief) or only needed in tiny numbers like mes for a lot of the game, healing scrapper now, etc (and even then you don't actually 'need' things like a healing scrapper) , whilst at the other end you've normally had 1 or 2 classes required in vastly disproportionate numbers, to the point it has often been the case out of a 50 man blob 1 class could routinely account for 40% of the places (e.g - when 2 guards per party were standard in melee metas or after PoF with the Scourge AIDS) or 2 classes could easily account for over half the blob between them (guard + necro much of the time).

    WvW class balance when considered over the life of the game is literally the worst I have ever seen in a game. Which of course isn't really a surprise, because basically they don't balance for WvW in any meaningful sense, they spent the first three years of the game balancing virtually entirely around PvP, then when they added raids they started balancing around that too, the odd crumb that is thrown in WvW's direction is never going to have any meaningful impact.

    Which of course is one of the reasons the game mode is dead and why T1/T2 matchups comprised of 5-7 servers have less activity (and way less quality) than T3/T4 used to have with just 3 servers in a matchup.

  • shiri.4257shiri.4257 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @shiri.4257 said:

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:

    @shiri.4257 said:
    Every class is useful. it's when a player brings a roaming build to a zerg fight. and a zerg build to roam. The developers have made POF quite well. The players on the other hand...haven't fully developed.

    Again, most classes don't have builds that are effective in large scale fights. And I can specifically tell you that the developers know quite well that WvW is a broken mutation of overpowered mechanics and brainless gameplay. Do you really think they intentionally designed WvW in a way that excludes the majority of classes and builds from a central attraction of their game?

    The majority of classes are included in large scale fights (Guardian, warrior, mesmer, necro, weaver, revenant, engineer) are 7 classes that compete for a 5 man party spot. 7 does seem like a majority. Perhaps the developers need a better tutorial for players to learn the mechanics and roles properly. I'd even argue a proper thief/ranger targetting specific enemy players have a strong role in zerg play (ie: driver/command squad sniping).

    Nah, if you look over the history of this game and what has been meta for zergs then basically at any given time you've typically had about half the classes as either completely surplus to requirements (normally engy, ranger, thief) or only needed in tiny numbers like mes for a lot of the game, healing scrapper now, etc (and even then you don't actually 'need' things like a healing scrapper) , whilst at the other end you've normally had 1 or 2 classes required in vastly disproportionate numbers, to the point it has often been the case out of a 50 man blob 1 class could routinely account for 40% of the places (e.g - when 2 guards per party were standard in melee metas or after PoF with the Scourge AIDS) or 2 classes could easily account for over half the blob between them (guard + necro much of the time).

    WvW class balance when considered over the life of the game is literally the worst I have ever seen in a game. Which of course isn't really a surprise, because basically they don't balance for WvW in any meaningful sense, they spent the first three years of the game balancing virtually entirely around PvP, then when they added raids they started balancing around that too, the odd crumb that is thrown in WvW's direction is never going to have any meaningful impact.

    Which of course is one of the reasons the game mode is dead and why T1/T2 matchups comprised of 5-7 servers have less activity (and way less quality) than T3/T4 used to have with just 3 servers in a matchup.

    Agreed with the previous history of balance. HoT in particular was overall a low point. POF on the other hand has moved in a good direction. Yes some classes are mandatory to fill out the party comp (FB staple atm). However, the other 4 slots in zerg play can be filled out with the various classes based on needs. Currently a 50man omniblob can still be destroyed by 2 proper guild groups of 15-25. The issue here lies with which guild groups. Which can be further negated with a snipe support group (3-5). The issue is getting to that level of game play with whoever is on the map. IMO the wvw meta are 2 groups + 1 command squad snipe group. I'm not talking about even fights gvg etc. I'm just talking about wvw where anything goes and alot more needs to be accounted for in the quick changing environment of an engagement.

    Having a ranger or thief that are not focusing targets but rather picking off random pugs are pretty useless. However, being on the other end of a ranger focus when I'm commanding has merit. Not too many commanders or guild groups left that are open to "WvW game play."

    I can probably count the number of commanders or guilds left on 1 hand that are willing to continue a wvw raid against multiple ajam guilds and driver snipe.

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  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    This should be one of those long titles like "God's Walking Amongst Mere Mortals". Maybe something like: "I Don't Always Blob, But When I Do I Spam AoE's". Something worthy of displaying.

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  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    =) i remember the walk 2m yak achievement before.

    patience guys. u will get it eventually.

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  • Celsith.2753Celsith.2753 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    @Limodriver.4106 said:
    join a fight guild with a uesfull class instead of a ranger?

    800k kills with most hours on thief then ranger. It's purely a 'how long do you play' achieve

    885k+ WvW kills
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  • Israel.7056Israel.7056 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Celsith.2753 said:

    @Limodriver.4106 said:
    join a fight guild with a uesfull class instead of a ranger?

    800k kills with most hours on thief then ranger. It's purely a 'how long do you play' achieve

    I'm inclined to think that it would take most rangers or thieves twice as long as you've played to get even half as many kills though. Most of them are complete trash.

  • OrchusGhole.9846OrchusGhole.9846 Member ✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    @Israel.7056 said:

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:
    But I guess your attitude is that if someone doesn't agree with your assessment of things, or doesn't like the current state of WvW, then we're "kitten trying to ice skate uphill" and deserve to be harassed and ridiculed.

    I think that your gaming attitude as you've expressed it so far is in this thread is worthy of ridicule because it's like someone trying to ice skate uphill and blaming anyone who doesn't want to join them in the attempt or help them when they inevitably fail at it.

    Your reading comprehension needs a lot of work. I never blamed anyone who enjoys the current meta, other than to say, quite correctly and from experience, that a restrictive meta kills game communities every, single, time, and the people participating in the meta game tend to be hostile to anyone outside of their box. I know entire guilds that have quit this game because the WvW meta is so restrictive and dominant, so don't pretend like it doesn't drive large amounts of people away from this part of the game.

    I get it, you're playing WvW in the most effective and efficient manner possible, but personally I don't find what that has turned large scale WvW into to be especially interesting. You like the meta pirate ship blob WvW? Great, I couldn't care less. Go have fun with it. I don't like it, so I'm going to express that opinion, and "too bad" if you're triggered about someone having a negative opinion about something you like. Deal with it and move on. Funny that you've proven my point, because I never asked for your input, you simply saw that somebody had an opinion about the current meta that you don't agree with, and you decided to attack me personally with the usual nonsense that more or less amounts to "git gud, meta or beta, QQ moar rangers" which is the same kitten we see in WvW every single night. Next time just be more concise with your mockery, and you can save us both some time. I don't show up in your meta discussion threads trashing the meta's because they like that aspect of the game, so I don't really see why you have such a problem with someone expressing a dislike for an aspect of gameplay in a product they paid for and invested time in.

    With that said, sorry for hijacking this thread. I was just trying to express some frustration in a cynical manner while giving the OP the fastest and most effective path to this achievement, but apparently some people can't handle differing opinions.

  • Klipso.8653Klipso.8653 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Support guard for 6 years most of which in WvW, you get low kills, low WXP, which means near impossible to reach and forever to rank up.

    If you want this achieve, you can't get it on support classes. Play a necro and tag everything

  • Ni In.6578Ni In.6578 Member ✭✭✭

    Don't play ranger. Problem solved.

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  • Israel.7056Israel.7056 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:

    @Israel.7056 said:

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:
    But I guess your attitude is that if someone doesn't agree with your assessment of things, or doesn't like the current state of WvW, then we're "kitten trying to ice skate uphill" and deserve to be harassed and ridiculed.

    I think that your gaming attitude as you've expressed it so far is in this thread is worthy of ridicule because it's like someone trying to ice skate uphill and blaming anyone who doesn't want to join them in the attempt or help them when they inevitably fail at it.

    Your reading comprehension needs a lot of work. I never blamed anyone who enjoys the current meta, other than to say, quite correctly and from experience, that a restrictive meta kills game communities every, single, time, and the people participating in the meta game tend to be hostile to anyone outside of their box. I know entire guilds that have quit this game because the WvW meta is so restrictive and dominant, so don't pretend like it doesn't drive large amounts of people away from this part of the game.

    I get it, you're playing WvW in the most effective and efficient manner possible, but personally I don't find what that has turned large scale WvW into to be especially interesting. You like the meta pirate ship blob WvW? Great, I couldn't care less. Go have fun with it. I don't like it, so I'm going to express that opinion, and "too bad" if you're kitten about someone having a negative opinion about something you like. Deal with it and move on. Funny that you've proven my point, because I never asked for your input, you simply saw that somebody had an opinion about the current meta that you don't agree with, and you decided to attack me personally with the usual nonsense that more or less amounts to "git gud, meta or beta, QQ moar rangers" which is the same kitten we see in WvW every single night. Next time just be more concise with your mockery, and you can save us both some time. I don't show up in your meta discussion threads trashing the meta's because they like that aspect of the game, so I don't really see why you have such a problem with someone expressing a dislike for an aspect of gameplay in a product they paid for and invested time in.

    With that said, sorry for hijacking this thread. I was just trying to express some frustration in a cynical manner while giving the OP the fastest and most effective path to this achievement, but apparently some people can't handle differing opinions.

    Lol all this because i quite rightly sensed you were a mad ranger. Have fun getting kicked from every good guild and squad bro good luck on UD someday.

    For anyone else actually interested in actually winning fights pro tip don't ever be this guy.

  • OrchusGhole.9846OrchusGhole.9846 Member ✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    @Israel.7056 said:

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:

    @Israel.7056 said:

    @OrchusGhole.9846 said:
    But I guess your attitude is that if someone doesn't agree with your assessment of things, or doesn't like the current state of WvW, then we're "kitten trying to ice skate uphill" and deserve to be harassed and ridiculed.

    I think that your gaming attitude as you've expressed it so far is in this thread is worthy of ridicule because it's like someone trying to ice skate uphill and blaming anyone who doesn't want to join them in the attempt or help them when they inevitably fail at it.

    Your reading comprehension needs a lot of work. I never blamed anyone who enjoys the current meta, other than to say, quite correctly and from experience, that a restrictive meta kills game communities every, single, time, and the people participating in the meta game tend to be hostile to anyone outside of their box. I know entire guilds that have quit this game because the WvW meta is so restrictive and dominant, so don't pretend like it doesn't drive large amounts of people away from this part of the game.

    I get it, you're playing WvW in the most effective and efficient manner possible, but personally I don't find what that has turned large scale WvW into to be especially interesting. You like the meta pirate ship blob WvW? Great, I couldn't care less. Go have fun with it. I don't like it, so I'm going to express that opinion, and "too bad" if you're kitten about someone having a negative opinion about something you like. Deal with it and move on. Funny that you've proven my point, because I never asked for your input, you simply saw that somebody had an opinion about the current meta that you don't agree with, and you decided to attack me personally with the usual nonsense that more or less amounts to "git gud, meta or beta, QQ moar rangers" which is the same kitten we see in WvW every single night. Next time just be more concise with your mockery, and you can save us both some time. I don't show up in your meta discussion threads trashing the meta's because they like that aspect of the game, so I don't really see why you have such a problem with someone expressing a dislike for an aspect of gameplay in a product they paid for and invested time in.

    With that said, sorry for hijacking this thread. I was just trying to express some frustration in a cynical manner while giving the OP the fastest and most effective path to this achievement, but apparently some people can't handle differing opinions.

    Lol all this because i quite rightly sensed you were a mad ranger. Have fun getting kicked from every good guild and squad bro good luck on UD someday.

    For anyone else actually interested in actually winning fights pro tip don't ever be this guy.

    Also funny because I've been in the meta game, which is the only reason I know how silly it is. Doesn't have anything to do with having a ranger toon, because meta excludes far more than just that class. But hey keep harassing people because they think this part of the game is lacking some serious polish, and here pretty soon you won't have any PUGs to roll over with your pirate ship meta blob. Then you'll just be 3 pirate ship meta blobs of the same 5 builds running circles around each other, unable to kill anyone unless they lag out of the blob into AoE instadeath, because there's certainly no skill or thought required to do what meta blobs do.

  • zinkz.7045zinkz.7045 Member ✭✭✭

    @Klipso.8653 said:
    Support guard for 6 years most of which in WvW, you get low kills, low WXP, which means near impossible to reach and forever to rank up.

    If you want this achieve, you can't get it on support classes. Play a necro and tag everything

    You know the first person to get the title played guard, there was reason pre-nerf staff on guard was referred to as the lootstick...

  • zinkz.7045zinkz.7045 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    @Israel.7056 said:

    @Celsith.2753 said:

    @Limodriver.4106 said:
    join a fight guild with a uesfull class instead of a ranger?

    800k kills with most hours on thief then ranger. It's purely a 'how long do you play' achieve

    I'm inclined to think that it would take most rangers or thieves twice as long as you've played to get even half as many kills though. Most of them are complete trash.

    So no different from most WvW players then (and by most I mean nearly all), because blobbing around in a 6 year old MMORPG playing low skilled, uncompetitve trash tier PvP is where all the good gamers are at.

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