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So is shatterer dead (pre ep4) in the lore? And a question bout Snaff.

zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited September 25, 2018 in Sep: LWS4 Ep 4, Raid, & more!

I was under the impression that the shatterer was a title kralk would give to his powerful minions.

I and alot others were also under the impression that the vanilla maps werent locked in time and instead were smartly repeating.

E.g shatterer dies kralk makes another one.

Were the players misjudging the sutuation or was it a mistake on the side of the narative team?

For the second question. Was taimi even alive or at the very least old enough to be zojja's aprentice when snaff was around? We hear him tell taimi that zojja told him alot about her but it kinda feels like a strech.

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  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    shatterer dies kralk makes a new one, kralk simply learned to recycle the old ones

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  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 25, 2018

    @derd.6413 said:
    shatterer dies kralk makes a new one, kralk simply learned to recycle the old ones

    The episode treats shatterer as it was dead and raised thanks to zhaitans magic but literally 6 years of doing the meta suggest we getting new ones

    Why would characters identify this recycled one seemingly ignoring the other ones we've killed all these years then? Why would they refer to him as being dead if we are getting more of them on a daily basis.

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @zealex.9410 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    shatterer dies kralk makes a new one, kralk simply learned to recycle the old ones

    The episode treats shatterer as it was dead and raised thanks to zhaitans magic but literally 6 years of doing the meta suggest we getting new ones

    Why would characters identify this recycled one seemingly ignoring the other ones we've killed all these years then? Why would they refer to him as being dead if we are getting more of them on a daily basis.

    he makes new ones but now he also brings the ones we've killed back to life. we know he's been raised from the dead because else he wouldn't be death touched

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  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @derd.6413 said:

    @zealex.9410 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    shatterer dies kralk makes a new one, kralk simply learned to recycle the old ones

    The episode treats shatterer as it was dead and raised thanks to zhaitans magic but literally 6 years of doing the meta suggest we getting new ones

    Why would characters identify this recycled one seemingly ignoring the other ones we've killed all these years then? Why would they refer to him as being dead if we are getting more of them on a daily basis.

    he makes new ones but now he also brings the ones we've killed back to life. we know he's been raised from the dead because else he wouldn't be death touched

    Yeah but the characters treat it as theres no others. Like shattterer was one and gone and now its back.

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 25, 2018

    Yes, old shatterer was dead. You can see him explode when he flies away after defeating him. But maps are in time loops so people can keep fighting the boss

  • In regards to your question about Snaff and how he knows about Taimi, it's been a long time since Eir passed. You never know how long ago Eir and Snaff crossed paths in the mists - Eir knows both Taimi and Zojja, so it's reasonable to say she told Snaff about her. :)

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  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kirk Williford.2653 said:
    In regards to your question about Snaff and how he knows about Taimi, it's been a long time since Eir passed. You never know how long ago Eir and Snaff crossed paths in the mists - Eir knows both Taimi and Zojja, so it's reasonable to say she told Snaff about her. :)

    He specifically makes a remark about zojja telling him.

  • Baldavier.4132Baldavier.4132 Member
    edited September 25, 2018

    @zealex.9410 said:

    @Kirk Williford.2653 said:
    In regards to your question about Snaff and how he knows about Taimi, it's been a long time since Eir passed. You never know how long ago Eir and Snaff crossed paths in the mists - Eir knows both Taimi and Zojja, so it's reasonable to say she told Snaff about her. :)

    He specifically makes a remark about zojja telling him.

    I assumed it's because Zoja was in the mists too , or some Asura magic allowed them to talk

    Also re: awakened shatterer - I go along the lines of each map is in time loop like Malediktus says, if anyone asks, i killed zhaitan once (not 8 times, a couple of which were with the same character! I mean, come on, all the best stories (and this is one of them) require a little of that thing i learnt in year 9 English class - "Suspend your disbelief")

  • Cregath.7628Cregath.7628 Member ✭✭✭

    Exactly what zealex said.

    Praise Joko!

  • Tekoneiric.6817Tekoneiric.6817 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Malediktus.9250 said:
    Yes, old shatterer was dead. You can see him explode when he flies away after defeating him. But maps are in time loops so people can keep fighting the boss

    Given that the maps are in time loops does that mean the maps we repeat play on are fractals in the mists and we never see the real world maps except for the first time we play the maps and the cities?

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tekoneiric.6817 said:

    @Malediktus.9250 said:
    Yes, old shatterer was dead. You can see him explode when he flies away after defeating him. But maps are in time loops so people can keep fighting the boss

    Given that the maps are in time loops does that mean the maps we repeat play on are fractals in the mists and we never see the real world maps except for the first time we play the maps and the cities?

    Pretty much this. It is the only way to make a MMO with limited content work

  • @Tekoneiric.6817 said:

    @Malediktus.9250 said:
    Yes, old shatterer was dead. You can see him explode when he flies away after defeating him. But maps are in time loops so people can keep fighting the boss

    Given that the maps are in time loops does that mean the maps we repeat play on are fractals in the mists and we never see the real world maps except for the first time we play the maps and the cities?

    It makes you think, doesn't it? Especially since the new map has those bubbles of repeating reality... it's almost as if Kralk's damage to the Space/Time continuum has reverberated into the past and parts of the past and the present and the future are all literally happening at the same time all over Tyria, not as a game device but as a literal part of the GW2 reality. It's like the Dark Tower. We're on an endless journey, repeatedly trying to stop K from destroying reality when in fact it's already destroyed and we're just in a loop. head explodes

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think the game Quantum Break did a very good job on showing how the end of time and space could look like, too bad the devs of it do not plan on making a sequel on it despite ending the game with a huge cliffhanger

  • Tekoneiric.6817Tekoneiric.6817 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zoltar MacRoth.7146 said:

    @Tekoneiric.6817 said:

    @Malediktus.9250 said:
    Yes, old shatterer was dead. You can see him explode when he flies away after defeating him. But maps are in time loops so people can keep fighting the boss

    Given that the maps are in time loops does that mean the maps we repeat play on are fractals in the mists and we never see the real world maps except for the first time we play the maps and the cities?

    It makes you think, doesn't it? Especially since the new map has those bubbles of repeating reality... it's almost as if Kralk's damage to the Space/Time continuum has reverberated into the past and parts of the past and the present and the future are all literally happening at the same time all over Tyria, not as a game device but as a literal part of the GW2 reality. It's like the Dark Tower. We're on an endless journey, repeatedly trying to stop K from destroying reality when in fact it's already destroyed and we're just in a loop. head explodes

    Maybe our ability to resurrect from a defeated state is because we are in the mysts.

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Likely our whole universe could be viewed as a fractal. It seems like in a very long (timescales beyond human imagination and even the lifetime of supermassive blackholes) but finite time everything happens again and again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincaré_recurrence_theorem

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tekoneiric.6817 said:

    @Zoltar MacRoth.7146 said:

    @Tekoneiric.6817 said:

    @Malediktus.9250 said:
    Yes, old shatterer was dead. You can see him explode when he flies away after defeating him. But maps are in time loops so people can keep fighting the boss

    Given that the maps are in time loops does that mean the maps we repeat play on are fractals in the mists and we never see the real world maps except for the first time we play the maps and the cities?

    It makes you think, doesn't it? Especially since the new map has those bubbles of repeating reality... it's almost as if Kralk's damage to the Space/Time continuum has reverberated into the past and parts of the past and the present and the future are all literally happening at the same time all over Tyria, not as a game device but as a literal part of the GW2 reality. It's like the Dark Tower. We're on an endless journey, repeatedly trying to stop K from destroying reality when in fact it's already destroyed and we're just in a loop. head explodes

    Maybe our ability to resurrect from a defeated state is because we are in the mysts.

    Game mechanic =/= Lore

    That's why it was such a big deal that Balthazar actually killed us.

    I rather choose death.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Teraphas.6210 said:

    @zealex.9410 said:

    He specifically makes a remark about zojja telling him.

    Snaff: You're quite precocious, aren't you? What did you say your name was?
    Taimi: Taimi. Sir.
    Snaff: Ah! Zojja's apprentice. That explains it.
    Taimi: Uh...explains what?
    Snaff: Oh, I've heard great things.
    Taimi: Eeeh! 
    

    Doesn't say Zojja told him anything.

    Ahh yes you are right. I assume Eir could've told his something but thats even .ore of a strech than zojja telling him xd.

  • @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Tekoneiric.6817 said:

    @Zoltar MacRoth.7146 said:

    @Tekoneiric.6817 said:

    @Malediktus.9250 said:
    Yes, old shatterer was dead. You can see him explode when he flies away after defeating him. But maps are in time loops so people can keep fighting the boss

    Given that the maps are in time loops does that mean the maps we repeat play on are fractals in the mists and we never see the real world maps except for the first time we play the maps and the cities?

    It makes you think, doesn't it? Especially since the new map has those bubbles of repeating reality... it's almost as if Kralk's damage to the Space/Time continuum has reverberated into the past and parts of the past and the present and the future are all literally happening at the same time all over Tyria, not as a game device but as a literal part of the GW2 reality. It's like the Dark Tower. We're on an endless journey, repeatedly trying to stop K from destroying reality when in fact it's already destroyed and we're just in a loop. head explodes

    Maybe our ability to resurrect from a defeated state is because we are in the mysts.

    Game mechanic =/= Lore

    That's why it was such a big deal that Balthazar actually killed us.

    It wasn't really a big deal. It didn't even stick. I often die six times before breakfast and come back in time for lunch.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zoltar MacRoth.7146 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Tekoneiric.6817 said:

    @Zoltar MacRoth.7146 said:

    @Tekoneiric.6817 said:

    @Malediktus.9250 said:
    Yes, old shatterer was dead. You can see him explode when he flies away after defeating him. But maps are in time loops so people can keep fighting the boss

    Given that the maps are in time loops does that mean the maps we repeat play on are fractals in the mists and we never see the real world maps except for the first time we play the maps and the cities?

    It makes you think, doesn't it? Especially since the new map has those bubbles of repeating reality... it's almost as if Kralk's damage to the Space/Time continuum has reverberated into the past and parts of the past and the present and the future are all literally happening at the same time all over Tyria, not as a game device but as a literal part of the GW2 reality. It's like the Dark Tower. We're on an endless journey, repeatedly trying to stop K from destroying reality when in fact it's already destroyed and we're just in a loop. head explodes

    Maybe our ability to resurrect from a defeated state is because we are in the mysts.

    Game mechanic =/= Lore

    That's why it was such a big deal that Balthazar actually killed us.

    It wasn't really a big deal. It didn't even stick. I often die six times before breakfast and come back in time for lunch.

    I kinda was. To the point it even carried relevance into lw.

  • @zealex.9410 said:

    @Teraphas.6210 said:

    @zealex.9410 said:

    He specifically makes a remark about zojja telling him.

    Snaff: You're quite precocious, aren't you? What did you say your name was?
    Taimi: Taimi. Sir.
    Snaff: Ah! Zojja's apprentice. That explains it.
    Taimi: Uh...explains what?
    Snaff: Oh, I've heard great things.
    Taimi: Eeeh! 
    

    Doesn't say Zojja told him anything.

    Ahh yes you are right. I assume Eir could've told his something but thats even .ore of a strech than zojja telling him xd.

    Not really. I assume that if Eir and Snaff were chatting in the mists, Zojja and everything she was up to would be the first subject of conversation (including her brilliant apprentice!)

  • Almorra probably knows it's not the same Shatterer, since the Vigil helped bring the previous one down. But whether she does or not, she has a very big beef with Kralkatorrik and the Shatterer, enough that she's willing to crash another fleet of airships and bring the full force of the Vigil to help.

  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zoltar MacRoth.7146 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Tekoneiric.6817 said:

    @Zoltar MacRoth.7146 said:

    @Tekoneiric.6817 said:

    @Malediktus.9250 said:
    Yes, old shatterer was dead. You can see him explode when he flies away after defeating him. But maps are in time loops so people can keep fighting the boss

    Given that the maps are in time loops does that mean the maps we repeat play on are fractals in the mists and we never see the real world maps except for the first time we play the maps and the cities?

    It makes you think, doesn't it? Especially since the new map has those bubbles of repeating reality... it's almost as if Kralk's damage to the Space/Time continuum has reverberated into the past and parts of the past and the present and the future are all literally happening at the same time all over Tyria, not as a game device but as a literal part of the GW2 reality. It's like the Dark Tower. We're on an endless journey, repeatedly trying to stop K from destroying reality when in fact it's already destroyed and we're just in a loop. head explodes

    Maybe our ability to resurrect from a defeated state is because we are in the mysts.

    Game mechanic =/= Lore

    That's why it was such a big deal that Balthazar actually killed us.

    It wasn't really a big deal. It didn't even stick. I often die six times before breakfast and come back in time for lunch.

    we also got killed in GW1 Factions and it lasts even less time than the player death in GW2.

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