I Know Why Legend Skills Reorder Now, Not Random

So after several hours of testing I think I finally figured out what is causing revenant utility skills to change "random" order.For whatever reason legend swapping during a utility skill with cast time takes its default counter part and drags it to its slot.

For example, Riposting Shadows is default skill 1 for Shiro and Facet of Darkness is for Glint. If I cast Riposting Shadows from any skill slot and legend swap during, it will drag Facet of Darkness to that same skill slot. If I cast Burst of Strength and swap during animation it will drag Impossible Odds to that slot.

This goes for any Utility Skill with a cast time. The default 7/8/9 skills are linked to each other respectively across legends. This is why some of us are experiencing it a little occasionally and some are experiencing it A LOT.

I suspect this still has something to do with how they handled the hero panel update that allowed people to directly place their skills from their land and water sets.A temp solution to prevent skill reordering atm is to either make sure your 2 legends 7/8/9 utility skills are "default paired" back to back (they can be in any of the 3 slots, just need to be paired) in their respective slots OR don't legend swap during a utility skill cast animation. Note that this does not affect instant cast times and is unlikely to affect 1/4 sec casts so you can attempt to work around that. I was able to bug with 1/2 sec Kalla skills though.

Ug what a mess.

The skill pairings are (tested in game),

Glint/Shiro/Jalis/Mallyx/Ventari

• Facet of Darkness/ Riposting Shadows/ Inspiring Reinforcement/ Pain Absorbtion/ Protective Solace
• Facet of Elements/ Phase Traversal/ Forced Engagement/ Banish Enchantment/ Natural Harmony
• Facet of Strength/ Impossible Odds/ Vengeful Hammers/ Unyielding Anguish/ Purifying Essence

im not entirely certain what you mean with default paired.

@LucianDK.8615

When you swap legend during a utility cast it will always pull that other legend's specific skill to the same slot. Afaik the wiki order is correct. Testing Kalla is a mess though, it seems different for each legend paired with her.

Great find! so that's why my utility keep messing up during crucial time in WvW.

Yep, can confirm it, this is the trigger for it. Cast any casttime skill and hit swap and it bugs. Report it ASAP!

The skill pairings are (tested in game),

Glint/Shiro/Jalis/Mallyx/Ventari

• Facet of Darkness/ Riposting Shadows/ Inspiring Reinforcement/ Pain Absorbtion/ Protective Solace
• Facet of Elements/ Phase Traversal/ Forced Engagement/ Banish Enchantment/ Natural Harmony
• Facet of Strength/ Impossible Odds/ Vengeful Hammers/ Unyielding Anguish/ Purifying Essence

Oh, all along I thought ANET was telling me that to git gud at Revenant, I just had to smash all my keys at the same time :)

Thanks for working on this. I'll make changes accordingly.

@Ben Phongluangtham.1065 when are you guys going to fix this? It's impossible to play competitive like that,

Give us an answer , I do not know why u guys take so long to fix this ... we have more than 2 weeks w/ this bug.

Thanx for the effort. Makes sense why was having the bug so often in PvP, because swapping legend is one of the few cleansings I have, and swapping during a cast to either get the cleanse, break a stun or just reset the energy happens all the time.

Now Arenanet, please, a fix. I'm on the verge of quitting PvP (which means most of my time with the game); already bought For Honor and intend to play that one and SC VI if this crap keeps kicking...

so, if i'm understanding this correctly:because I've left the legend utility skills in their default positions, I wouldn't notice this because they are "paired" anyway?

AKA each legends skill could be thought of as "skill 7/8/9".

@"Artemis Thuras.8795" said:so, if i'm understanding this correctly:because I've left the legend utility skills in their default positions, I wouldn't notice this because they are "paired" anyway?

AKA each legends skill could be thought of as "skill 7/8/9".

It depends on the order you place them on your bar because you have to equip each utility skill after unlocking them. At least that is how it is now as I just checked. If you are not experiencing this bug then you have nothing to worry about. If you were running into this bug you would know it for certain already.

Added to the bug thread ty.

@"Artemis Thuras.8795" said:so, if i'm understanding this correctly:because I've left the legend utility skills in their default positions, I wouldn't notice this because they are "paired" anyway?

AKA each legends skill could be thought of as "skill 7/8/9".

That is exactly the case. This bug people keep talking about is how the revenant utilities have always worked for me. When I first got HoT ages ago I thought it was just another of those idiosyncrasies of the class. Since it has always worked that way for me, I kind of still do.

It happens with the elites too.Try cast rite of the great dwarf and flip in the middle of the cast. Bam, utility skills reordered.

@Ben Phongluangtham.1065Tagging Ben in case they haven't figured out the cause/conditions.

@LucianDK.8615 said:It happens with the elites too.Try cast rite of the great dwarf and flip in the middle of the cast. Bam, utility skills reordered.

Just tested and it doesn't for me.

Nice find, Justine. Easily able to recreate the same test using different sets of pairs even with 1/4s cast times. At least now we know the logic behind how our skills are playing musical chairs.

This makes sense. This would mostly happen to me when using Pain Absorption while swapping legends, and it would replace my Purifying Essence with Protective Solace. Really hoping for a fix soon...

@Ben Phongluangtham.1065Justine found out how the bug works. This is literally everything the community can do at this point.

Its been 3 weeks now alrdy...come on

The class is unplayable atm! It's unbelievable..

@Toron.4856 said:@Ben Phongluangtham.1065Justine found out how the bug works. This is literally everything the community can do at this point.

Its been 3 weeks now alrdy...come on

The class is unplayable atm! It's unbelievable..

^this

Happened many, many times to me Friday (10/5) while in wvw. I haven't joined a squad since because I don't want to feel like a liability with me partially losing control of my character mid-combat. I don't intend to join a squad with my Revenant until this is fixed. You swap, try to use the utility skill you want, and, oops, it's moved, and you're dead. The problem persisted through the weekend. I, like others, arrange utility skills in some logical order across multiple characters and trying to set up a default pairing after so many months...

ANet, could you please just fix this? This, paired with other recent Revenant changes, leads me to believe the Revenant profession does not see a lot of testing with any bugs being placed very low on the priority list. (Sorry, I'm not trying to be mean, but that is my impression.)

make sure to keep bumping it in the bug forum with your info.