Things ruining WvW

Dead eyes.There hasn’t never been anything more broken than the current invisible on dodge 1shot kill build that we have plaguing WVW at the moment, there’s never been a more sure fire way to shift a battle in ones favour than having a deadeye join you ( even the complete morons running it can kill skilled players without any effort)And as for countering it you have to get someone in your party to have reveal alongside having your own dead eye to kill them back, if you manage to get one low they 3k range away spamming the rifle backwards evaded then dodge for invis and repeat...it’s a 0 skill play style that needs to be fixed.Condo thief requires more skill than this and so does condi mirage and that’s saying somthing.

I agree wholeheartedly. For low mobility classes, like Reaper, you are essentially pooched if a cheese-eye gets you in its sights. Other than dodging all over the place, hoping to figure out where it is through some chaotic triangulation, your only chance is to get behind something - tree, building, etc. For example, I was targetted by one in the North East camp in the alpine borderland. I immediatelly dodged into the building behind the Vet supervisor - the building with all the piles of logs. The cheese-eye actually followed me into it. I was able to down him. First and only time I've taken out a dead-eye directly.

It will be nerfed for sure, it wasn’t a problem before stealth on dodge became a thing.It needs a cooldown ...

In before all the deadeye players tell you to easily counter them by using the 30 revealed skills every minute that every class you are playing has access to.

@shortcake.8659 said:In before all the deadeye players tell you to easily counter them by using the 30 revealed skills every minute that every class you are playing has access to.

Yeah. All the reveal skills a Necro has...like...Stealth Disruptor traps....and...um...er...Tainted Shackles at a radius of 600 :) That's so effective against something beyond the 1200 range of the max range of Necro skills

@shortcake.8659 said:In before all the deadeye players tell you to easily counter them by using the 30 revealed skills every minute that every class you are playing has access to.

Let’s not forget the skill they have which removes revealed from them ?????

@shortcake.8659 said:In before all the deadeye players tell you to easily counter them by using the 30 revealed skills every minute that every class you are playing has access to.

@shortcake.8659 said:In before all the deadeye players tell you to easily counter them by using the 30 revealed skills every minute that every class you are playing has access to.

Oh and in theory this could work! But unless reveal freezes them on the spot they evade spam away for about 3k range ?

@"Trepidation Lost.3469" said:

Let’s not forget the skill they have which removes revealed from them ?????

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https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/57722/deadeye-is-balanced-for-roaming

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Good thing though it looks like despite being the weakest profession for fighting (not scouting or cleaning up) thief keeps the title of best noobstomper.

Thieves in WvW have always been an active discussion, weather it be their use of Stealth mechanics, Dodges/Evades, Mobility, and ofcoarse having high-end, "1-Shot" capable damage.But what most of these discussions, not only on Thieves but other classes/builds fail to see is, "What this class is, what is it's role, and how lore/story plays in the development of their skill/ability arsenal.".When people voice their complaints on, "X" class/spec/build all they voice is, "Damage", sure they mention other mechanics of said class being a problem, but the main focus is, "Numbers".

I too believe tweaks are in order for all classes/builds/armor sets ect. to make it a more level playing field, but I suppose that would cut down on the uniqueness of the classes and make choosing "X" over "Y" redundant because it would all feel, "The same", and a once vibrant game would lose it's appeal and, I love Guild Wars 2, and wouldn't want it to be shelved.

P.S. I didn't respond like this to attack or flame, like you, I'm just a player posing their opinions and awaiting feedback from the community/ANet.

Have a nice day.

@Riko.9214 said:

@"Trepidation Lost.3469" said:

Let’s not forget the skill they have which removes revealed from them ?????

Anyone can stomp noobs, only deadeye can stand afk waiting for someone to down in perma stealth for the stomp ?

Weakest profession for fighting ?!Thief has always been great for 1v1If you’re not a noob yourself that isThe ability to instantly out of combat to reset your health and re engage is the game breaking aspect of thief and is partly to blame why it never gets any buffs (outside of accidental buffs like this game breaking perma invis Accra through stealth on dodge trait, oh which by the way WILL be nerfed 100%, it’s just a matter of, whennn).

@Trepidation Lost.3469 said:

Thief has always been great for 1v1

Lol what? Running away is what thief is best for, at equal skill any other prof has better duelling builds (except mb necro vs DE, but that is very specific issue and SoulBeast would stomp those necro much harder for example).

@"Odokuro.5049" said:Thieves in WvW have always been an active discussion, weather it be their use of Stealth mechanics, Dodges/Evades, Mobility, and ofcoarse having high-end, "1-Shot" capable damage.But what most of these discussions, not only on Thieves but other classes/builds fail to see is, "What this class is, what is it's role, and how lore/story plays in the development of their skill/ability arsenal.".When people voice their complaints on, "X" class/spec/build all they voice is, "Damage", sure they mention other mechanics of said class being a problem, but the main focus is, "Numbers".

I too believe tweaks are in order for all classes/builds/armor sets ect. to make it a more level playing field, but I suppose that would cut down on the uniqueness of the classes and make choosing "X" over "Y" redundant because it would all feel, "The same", and a once vibrant game would lose it's appeal and, I love Guild Wars 2, and wouldn't want it to be shelved.

P.S. I didn't respond like this to attack or flame, like you, I'm just a player posing their opinions and awaiting feedback from the community/ANet.

Have a nice day.

Appreciate the opinion, yes, my lack of inclusion of other things that need changing isn’t due to the fact that I don’t agree...Rather die to the fact that nothing else is quite as game breaking at the moment, (particularly in the area in which I only play WvW roaming) as deadeye currently is, you can try argue otherwise, however I value my opinion on WvW roaming balance pretty highly seing as I have mained this game mode since release, and mained all classes.This being the case, I also have many roaming friends who agree with me, daredevils included, that the mechanic of invis on dodge combined with the ability to instantly pic on demand is broken.

@Riko.9214 said:

@Trepidation Lost.3469 said:

Thief has always been great for 1v1

@Trepidation Lost.3469 said:

@Riko.9214 said:

@Trepidation Lost.3469 said:

Thief has always been great for 1v1

Thief can only reliably run from anything if he either did not fight it at all or only briefly engaged for an opening burst (which would in 90% fail against any non-noob roamer who is not preoccupied by someone/something else).

So yes against real bad builds/players thief can burst them fast with minimal resource usage and then run away from reinforcements if needed, but on equal skill ground if thief keeps enough resources to run away in his pocket he will not be able to provide real threat.

@Trepidation Lost.3469 said:

@"Odokuro.5049" said:Thieves in WvW have always been an active discussion, weather it be their use of Stealth mechanics, Dodges/Evades, Mobility, and ofcoarse having high-end, "1-Shot" capable damage.But what most of these discussions, not only on Thieves but other classes/builds fail to see is, "What this class is, what is it's role, and how lore/story plays in the development of their skill/ability arsenal.".When people voice their complaints on, "X" class/spec/build all they voice is, "Damage", sure they mention other mechanics of said class being a problem, but the main focus is, "Numbers".

I too believe tweaks are in order for all classes/builds/armor sets ect. to make it a more level playing field, but I suppose that would cut down on the uniqueness of the classes and make choosing "X" over "Y" redundant because it would all feel, "The same", and a once vibrant game would lose it's appeal and, I love Guild Wars 2, and wouldn't want it to be shelved.

P.S. I didn't respond like this to attack or flame, like you, I'm just a player posing their opinions and awaiting feedback from the community/ANet.

Have a nice day.

Can I ask what a Thief is to you?

Because Thief is pretty much the equivalent to GW1's "Assassin", a class who's mechanics play to the idea of the ever elusive, death from the shadows individual. If they made Stealth out to be the way you would like it, ANet would have to give Thieves a new, "Safety", mechanic, and if they lowered their spike damage, they would need to offer them a way to maintain, a highly consistent dps to replace their current, spike-like dps.

An idea that I'm thinking for the damage part, is that, instead of the spike-damage of a backstab or the rifle-shot equivalent, is to lower the damage potential but inflict a condition such as, "Taunt", to give you the idea that, "Hey I just got hit for a lot of damage, I am scared and don't know how to react." for several seconds. This would be an interesting idea to chase.

@Riko.9214 said:

@Trepidation Lost.3469 said:

@Riko.9214 said:

@Trepidation Lost.3469 said:

Thief has always been great for 1v1

Not from my experience, it’s not hard to dodge roll wait a few second for initiative to come back then spam backevade port on rifle ....

@Odokuro.5049 said:

@Trepidation Lost.3469 said:

@Odokuro.5049 said:Thieves in WvW have always been an active discussion, weather it be their use of Stealth mechanics, Dodges/Evades, Mobility, and ofcoarse having high-end, "1-Shot" capable damage.But what most of these discussions, not only on Thieves but other classes/builds fail to see is, "What this class is, what is it's role, and how lore/story plays in the development of their skill/ability arsenal.".When people voice their complaints on, "X" class/spec/build all they voice is, "Damage", sure they mention other mechanics of said class being a problem, but the main focus is, "Numbers".

I too believe tweaks are in order for all classes/builds/armor sets ect. to make it a more level playing field, but I suppose that would cut down on the uniqueness of the classes and make choosing "X" over "Y" redundant because it would all feel, "The same", and a once vibrant game would lose it's appeal and, I love Guild Wars 2, and wouldn't want it to be shelved.

P.S. I didn't respond like this to attack or flame, like you, I'm just a player posing their opinions and awaiting feedback from the community/ANet.

Have a nice day.

Well, thief wasn’t broken before this dodge invis spam....There was ONE broken build that involved staying in stealth perma and then instantly downing you with a backstab for about 20k, and rarely anyone ran it, now this rarely used build is suddenly ran by everyone and his nans dog, and not only is it perma stealth 1 shot, it’s perma stealth 1shot from 1200range.

@Trepidation Lost.3469 said:

@shortcake.8659 said:In before all the deadeye players tell you to easily counter them by using the 30 revealed skills every minute that every class you are playing has access to.

@shortcake.8659 said:In before all the deadeye players tell you to easily counter them by using the 30 revealed skills every minute that every class you are playing has access to.

It doesn't seem like you've played DE or know much about it. Can you tell me how they can "evade spam away for about 3k range"?

If it’s not an evade, my bad, but I’m referring to the rifle skill which ports you backwards that is spammable.And if your argument that DE isn’t op because it can’t port 3k range away?What’s your argument to keep invis on dodge ?

@"Trepidation Lost.3469" said:If it’s not an evade, my bad, but I’m referring to the rifle skill which ports you backwards that is spammable.And if your argument that DE isn’t op because it can’t port 3k range away?What’s your argument to keep invis on dodge ?

Death's Retreat costs 5 initiative. Coming from the type of DE that you are complaining about they can do it twice in a row, and it's only 600 units, 300 less range than Infiltrator's Arrow. Hardly spammable. I don't wan't to keep stealth on Dodge, I'd rather have the trait "Unforgiving" back to promote more active out-of-stealth gameplay, rather than passive tedious sit-in-stealth gameplay.

Though you seem very consumed with DE in general, I suggest trying one and seeing if it's as easy as you make it out to be. From how you are describing it, I don't think you'll have a very good time right off the bat...or even with a few weeks of practice...

@Turk.5460 said:

@"Trepidation Lost.3469" said:If it’s not an evade, my bad, but I’m referring to the rifle skill which ports you backwards that is spammable.And if your argument that DE isn’t op because it can’t port 3k range away?What’s your argument to keep invis on dodge ?

Awh. This cute bash at my ingame skill, cute.Let’s forgoe my mention of this spammable evade backwards, which can be used three times.And go back to the invisible on dodge...Please explain how this is balanced, and I did try deadeye, it’s broken, you can port backwards once, dodge for invis wait a few seconds then port back again a few times....no point getting nit picky about duration and costs of skills when in reality it’s doable ? I’ll get nit picky too and refer you to what I said, which you quoted, port 3k away, I never mentioned the time it took did I, and if we are being nitpicky you also took into concoderation I didn’t mean all at once so you’re not beyond some interpretating so carry that to my other points and we will do just fine xxx

@Trepidation Lost.3469 said:

@Turk.5460 said:

@Trepidation Lost.3469 said:If it’s not an evade, my bad, but I’m referring to the rifle skill which ports you backwards that is spammable.And if your argument that DE isn’t op because it can’t port 3k range away?What’s your argument to keep invis on dodge ?

Calm down. I wouldn't consider facts and educated observations "nit-picking."

You claim Death's Retreat evades (no) and is spammable (no), and can go 3k range (sure? after multiple?). The way you word this implies in quick succession, otherwise one could use your same logic to say Warrior's Sword2, Savage Leap, is spammable and can go 3k range as long as you do it off cooldown... If this is not what you mean then it is up to you to write your opinion better, not up to your reader to interpret your convoluted thought process.

Death's Retreat:

• Can only be done twice in a row by the DE's that are making you salty. 3 times if "wait a few seconds then port again." What is "spammable" to you?
• 600 range. You keep saying 3k? 3000/600=5. That means it would take 5 DR's to get 3k range. That's 25 initiative. Again, the DE's that are angering you only have 12 initiative in their pool total. Not spammable - Myth busted.
• Doesn't evade

The only reason I mentioned it would take you a while to learn it is because you don't seem to know anything about it right now. The best way to overcome a build that is besting you is to learn how it works - go give it a shot.

I think the majority of the problem is that the complaints about [insert_class/build] are coming maybe from an area of not enough experience in dealing with them and also not spending enough time on those classes to identify where it shines or is weak at. It's also not a matter of just spending a few hours or even a month on that class in particular, it takes much much longer than that to say why class/build x is a problem with no counterplay for you and maybe others (I do know some people have such hate for these kind of things they even refuse to play the classes/builds even if it's about trying to teach them to beat it or learn more about it). I spend a lot of time trying to outdo opponents which I find are hard to deal with or are supposedly a counter to mine - there are always ways around it that may not be entirely obvious. There is a human mind behind that character and they are fallible. In the end, if you take the experience with a more open mind you will learn a lot more from it and be able to deal with it much easier. I'm now at a point where deadeyes are just meh on whatever class/build I am using, because almost all of them are predictable, and you can almost always predict where they are going to be waiting/stalking for a free kill. I just think the frustration of not having the experience in dealing with it is part of the problem, but I personally do think that if people just took the time to learn the problem class/build there might be less issues. This is just my opinion of course and I don't like taking the easiest route when something kills me, I just try to learn from it and improve until it no longer becomes a problem. I hope you guys can give it a shot, Good luck!

How to fix the most handicapped class atm with 3 steps.

1. Remove stealth on dodge
2. ???
3. ProfitMaybe then it will need actually 2 hands to be played, who knows. We will find out after summer balance patch, so be ready!

From the title, I thought this would be a thread about golem rushes.

Carry on, I suppose.