Winds of Disenchantment nerf was heavy-handed and unnecessary

Seriously? 5 second duration? Actually, more like 4 second duration since nothing even occurs for that initial second. I have to say I'm quite annoyed by this change, Winds was fine, and even if the balance team felt it was too strong, why did you decide it was so strong you had to completely cut the duration and when that wasn't enough, you removed the initial pulse?

Why leave Winds as it was for so long then? Why not change it in a previous patch? I'm just extremely annoyed by this, it wasn't needed at all. I doubt people will actually bother bringing bubble anymore.

I expected it nerfed a long time ago I'm surprised they didn't just nerf the aoe boon strip trait instead

Mm lunch needed salt

The 5s duration was all the nerf it needed. It should still pulse on the initial tick since a warrior has to spend considerable time casting before WoD is up. It's a very visible tell with a long cast time so it has counterplay and deserves to be rewarded.

On the flip side, I like the duration nerf. 5s might be too short for some people but 10s was too long imo.

They didnt change it last patch because they wanted everyone to be distracted by the Halloween event. The fact that they nerfed this but didn't even touch scourge, firebrand, one-shot deadeyes, shows just how incompetent they are at balancing their game. Huge disappointment, but what can you expect from them anymore?

The nerf was needed, but maybe the duration should have stayed 10 seconds and something else nerfed about it. It just did too much in it's previous state.

lol, frankly the only way to have "balance" is to have ONE class with the same set of skills.... that's balance. Trying to balance different classes with different skill types will simply never be something that they can do.... and sadly every time they attempt some sort of 'balance' they seem to nerf something good and buff something that doesn't need buffing.

I'll never understand how the people who make this game (and say that many of them play it), can continue to make the sort of changes that they do....

Having said that, even though I play spell breaker a lot of the time I'm glad they nerfed the WoD.. Way too long and way too op, especially when you have a huge blob that drops 6 of them one after the other and is ready to drop more before those ones cool down. Yes it means my WoD runs for less time too but that's ok with me.

@"Balthazzarr.1349" said:lol, frankly the only way to have "balance" is to have ONE class with the same set of skills.... that's balance. Trying to balance different classes with different skill types will simply never be something that they can do.... and sadly every time they attempt some sort of 'balance' they seem to nerf something good and buff something that doesn't need buffing.

I'll never understand how the people who make this game (and say that many of them play it), can continue to make the sort of changes that they do....

Having said that, even though I play spell breaker a lot of the time I'm glad they nerfed the WoD.. Way too long and way too op, especially when you have a huge blob that drops 6 of them one after the other and is ready to drop more before those ones cool down. Yes it means my WoD runs for less time too but that's ok with me.

Tone it down sure, but the fact that the first pulse doesn't even go off until 1 second after the skill is cast is absolutely ridiculous. No other skill in the game works like that for a reason. 1 second is a LONG time to get out of that bubble.

boons team <3 ftw

LOL this is downright HILARIOUS

I will admit that they changed it in a way that I didn't really anticipate at all but it needed a nerf.

@Strages.2950 said:

@"Balthazzarr.1349" said:lol, frankly the only way to have "balance" is to have ONE class with the same set of skills.... that's balance. Trying to balance different classes with different skill types will simply never be something that they can do.... and sadly every time they attempt some sort of 'balance' they seem to nerf something good and buff something that doesn't need buffing.

I'll never understand how the people who make this game (and say that many of them play it), can continue to make the sort of changes that they do....

Having said that, even though I play spell breaker a lot of the time I'm glad they nerfed the WoD.. Way too long and way too op, especially when you have a huge blob that drops 6 of them one after the other and is ready to drop more before those ones cool down. Yes it means my WoD runs for less time too but that's ok with me.

agreed..........

Wow...warriors complaining on the forums faster than any other class ive seen after a nerf.

As mentioned, it def needed a nerf and looking at it now, it seems more appropriately balanced.

A nerf in wvw where you are stacking warriors in zergs for bubbles I can understand. Nerfing it in pvp makes no sense to me though.

Necessary. And with Scourge being less threatening than it previously was, maybe we'll see a return of the push meta. Or at least I sure hope. Pirate ship needs to die.

Yeah...it seems a little over-the-top. IMO they should have reduced it to 7sec duration, still have it strip boons the first second, and just remove the projectile block from it.

The funny part about this patch is that they nerfed core necro and let deadeye and mirage faceroll without even touching anything.

@"SpellOfIniquity.1780" said:Necessary. And with Scourge being less threatening than it previously was, maybe we'll see a return of the push meta. Or at least I sure hope. Pirate ship needs to die.

There is going to be more scourges now

As per the other thread on the topic:A nerf was necessary.The nerf was indeed unecessary and hamfisted.The best quick nerf is being able to clear the bubble in a dodge roll, that would promote counterplay (and discourage absurd area stacking of Winds).

this wasn't the nerf it needed. remove the boonstrip instead. that way theres no benefit to stacking winds and it retains its area denial value.

@Strages.2950 said:

@"Balthazzarr.1349" said:lol, frankly the only way to have "balance" is to have ONE class with the same set of skills.... that's balance. Trying to balance different classes with different skill types will simply never be something that they can do.... and sadly every time they attempt some sort of 'balance' they seem to nerf something good and buff something that doesn't need buffing.

I'll never understand how the people who make this game (and say that many of them play it), can continue to make the sort of changes that they do....

Having said that, even though I play spell breaker a lot of the time I'm glad they nerfed the WoD.. Way too long and way too op, especially when you have a huge blob that drops 6 of them one after the other and is ready to drop more before those ones cool down. Yes it means my WoD runs for less time too but that's ok with me.

....... Apart from thief traps with the 1s arm time :)

Look at it this way, now you need twice as many warriors to achieve the same effect, so they'll be in twice as much demand in a zerg. That's good for warrior players overall.

@ProverbsofHell.2307 said:Seriously? 5 second duration? Actually, more like 4 second duration since nothing even occurs for that initial second. I have to say I'm quite annoyed by this change, Winds was fine, and even if the balance team felt it was too strong, why did you decide it was so strong you had to completely cut the duration and when that wasn't enough, you removed the initial pulse?

Why leave Winds as it was for so long then? Why not change it in a previous patch? I'm just extremely annoyed by this, it wasn't needed at all. I doubt people will actually bother bringing bubble anymore.

Huehue, other classes got nerfed too before, warriors will now understand a bit of that pain and there will be more to come! That salt pile is going to increase!

ppl worried about this hahahahaha the salt is real

@xeon.3851 said:ppl worried about this hahahahaha

should give em tissues to wipe that salt!

@googel.3278 said:

@ProverbsofHell.2307 said:Seriously? 5 second duration? Actually, more like 4 second duration since nothing even occurs for that initial second. I have to say I'm quite annoyed by this change, Winds was fine, and even if the balance team felt it was too strong, why did you decide it was so strong you had to completely cut the duration and when that wasn't enough, you removed the initial pulse?

Why leave Winds as it was for so long then? Why not change it in a previous patch? I'm just extremely annoyed by this, it wasn't needed at all. I doubt people will actually bother bringing bubble anymore.

What are you talking about? Warrior has received countless nerfs over the last year. Bonus stats from Attacker's Insight, Adrenal Health nerf, nerfs to Berserker's Power, Healing Signet.. do I need to go on? Yes, it has received several buffs as well, to Warhorn and usability buffs to shouts, but those barely matter. The only real buff that happened was Shake It Off becoming a 2 charge 6 condi clear skill. If they touch Revenge Counter or Magebane NOW as well after all this time I'll happily kick the spec into the trash and go back to playing Berserker, it's much more fun anyway.