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60 or less FPS on i7 8700 with GTX 1070Ti + SSD

Dicey Garlics.3918Dicey Garlics.3918 Member ✭✭
edited October 29, 2018 in Account & Technical Support

hello guys how is it possible i can get max 60 fps in pvp on a setup like this? every other game i play like overwatch runs at 144FPS
forgot to mention i am on best performance setting
https://lookimg.com/image/iQXjo

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  • on Setting. check your limit Fps

  • its on unlimited

  • Maze.3825Maze.3825 Member ✭✭

    Who knows? Giving more and specific information would help.

  • ReaverKane.7598ReaverKane.7598 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I don't really know what you mean... IF you want to limit your FPS, either limit it on the FPS limit, or check vertical sync. The later will limit your FPS to your screen's refresh rate, which in most screens is 60hz (so 60FPS).

  • i am experiencing very low FPS with an intel i7 8700 and gtx 1070TI. there is a Photo in the first post of the options i have thicked and yet i run at maximum 60 FPS... something is not working properly. my screen is 144Hz. what kind of informations would you need?

  • MrFayth.3546MrFayth.3546 Member ✭✭
    edited October 30, 2018

    @Dicey Garlics.3918 said:
    i am experiencing very low FPS with an intel i7 8700 and gtx 1070TI. there is a Photo in the first post of the options i have thicked and yet i run at maximum 60 FPS... something is not working properly. my screen is 144Hz. what kind of informations would you need?

    Those aren't even your graphics settings...

    You can't just turn everything to ultra and expect good FPS, this isnt overwatch or LoL.

  • Maze.3825Maze.3825 Member ✭✭

    Maybe your auto loot sensitivity is too sensitive.

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 2, 2018

    I cannot understand why people feeling so entitled to getting 144fps these days, you can achieve it if the game does not heavily rely on CPU

    but this is not the case for MMOs and RTS like Civilisation where most of the processes are tied up with calculation in CPU rather than rendering in GPU, and does not need micro second reaction time :expressionless:

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  • I ran into the same issue ever since I upgraded my computer.
    I7 Gen4 + 970M = 80-120FPS
    i7 Gen8 + 1060 6GB = 30-50FPS

    I've tried all different optimization settings from both Intel drivers and NVidia drivers, as well as Windows settings...
    Let me know if you find out why

  • Maze.3825Maze.3825 Member ✭✭

    @Runakh.5643 said:
    I ran into the same issue ever since I upgraded my computer.
    I7 Gen4 + 970M = 80-120FPS
    i7 Gen8 + 1060 6GB = 30-50FPS

    I've tried all different optimization settings from both Intel drivers and NVidia drivers, as well as Windows settings...
    Let me know if you find out why

    Nonsense.

  • Older products run it better if you can get it to work [compatibility issues] my brother has a computer thats 10 years old and runs gw2 better then my New high performance gaming laptop specialized in well gaming lol. Why does it run better you might ask? Less bs plain and simple. Newer products have more protocols then necessary.

    Also @op if ur running 4k ur 1060 will function no better then a 1050ti. Due to the fact you didn't list any of ur specs other then that i can only comment about that. However based on the look up of i7 8700 depending on ur build you should be fine.

    Check list for you.

    1. Is ur ghz set to maintain 4.6ghz [meaning turning off that turbo boost bull scat]
    2. if your running 4k upgrade ur 1060 to a 1080
    3. Enforce priority onto gw2 [or any game you intend to play for more then an hour]
    4. Decent internet. NO dial up if you cant manage 5mb/s at least you need to reinvest badly.
    5. Close excess programs 70% of the process running on the new systems are worthless and you should invest the time to look up the list for your computer and permanently shut them off.
    6. Finish downloading the game /or repair check. Noticed this part myself where i've went from 78 fps to 6-10 just because of a 300 file download left on the launcher
    7. last but not least go down to your panel on your computer and ensure that you actually have nvidi running lol. Cant tell you the times i've seen people running intel graphics thinking they had nvid running your computer should have UHD integrated graphics so the game may be running off that.
  • @Maze.3825 said:

    @Runakh.5643 said:
    I ran into the same issue ever since I upgraded my computer.
    I7 Gen4 + 970M = 80-120FPS
    i7 Gen8 + 1060 6GB = 30-50FPS

    I've tried all different optimization settings from both Intel drivers and NVidia drivers, as well as Windows settings...
    Let me know if you find out why

    Nonsense.

    It is, indeed. But yet, it's true. I've compared them side by side, in same instances (dungeon) where performance are not as much impacted by random variables as other maps.

    @Larenc.1269 said:
    Older products run it better if you can get it to work [compatibility issues] my brother has a computer thats 10 years old and runs gw2 better then my New high performance gaming laptop specialized in well gaming lol. Why does it run better you might ask? Less bs plain and simple. Newer products have more protocols then necessary.

    Also @op if ur running 4k ur 1060 will function no better then a 1050ti. Due to the fact you didn't list any of ur specs other then that i can only comment about that. However based on the look up of i7 8700 depending on ur build you should be fine.

    Check list for you.

    1. Is ur ghz set to maintain 4.6ghz [meaning turning off that turbo boost bull scat]
    2. if your running 4k upgrade ur 1060 to a 1080
    3. Enforce priority onto gw2 [or any game you intend to play for more then an hour]
    4. Decent internet. NO dial up if you cant manage 5mb/s at least you need to reinvest badly.
    5. Close excess programs 70% of the process running on the new systems are worthless and you should invest the time to look up the list for your computer and permanently shut them off.
    6. Finish downloading the game /or repair check. Noticed this part myself where i've went from 78 fps to 6-10 just because of a 300 file download left on the launcher
    7. last but not least go down to your panel on your computer and ensure that you actually have nvidi running lol. Cant tell you the times i've seen people running intel graphics thinking they had nvid running your computer should have UHD integrated graphics so the game may be running off that.

    OP is running a 1070Ti. He didn't talk about 4K.

    I've done all your suggestions already. Nothing changed :(
    But thank you for trying to help.

  • Runakh.5643Runakh.5643 Member ✭✭
    edited November 4, 2018

    @Dicey Garlics.3918 said:
    hello guys how is it possible i can get max 60 fps in pvp on a setup like this? every other game i play like overwatch runs at 144FPS
    forgot to mention i am on best performance setting
    https://lookimg.com/image/iQXjo

    Hey OP ! I just thought about our commom issue, and ran a few more tests. I might have found something interesting.
    Everyone knows that GW2 is running on single-core, but it actually have a very bad time with multithreading technology. I disabled Multithreading in my BIOS, and I'm back to 100FPS in instances (preciously around 50FPS). You should give it a try.
    However, my other programs will be impacted by this change, so I'm planning to disable it only when I play GW2.

    Here are is another parameter that you absolutely want to check out :
    Your CPU is running at full speed : open Task Manager, go under Performance tab, and click on CPU. Down below, you should see the clock speed (your should be around 4.6Ghz).
    If it's not the case, make sure that you have Intel TurboBoost enabled, and that your Power Options (Settings => System => Power & Sleep => Additional Power Settings (right side of the panel) => select (or create) High Performance plan => Customize Plan Settings => Change advanced Plan Settings =>Processor power management => 100% at max usage.
    Also checkout your BIOS settings about Power Management plans, and disable it.

    Let me know about your results.

  • I have an i5-8400 and a 1060 3gb, I run a 144hz monitor and I get 150 in the old world and about 80 in the new zones. Maybe turn down a couple settings.

  • Just built a new rig and am having similar issues, even after trying all the suggestions posted here.
    Ryzen 7 2700x
    GTX 1080Ti (on a 34" monitor @1440p, 120Hz, G-Sync)
    16gb 3200Mhz RAM
    SSD
    At first I thought it may be Reshade causing the slowdown (on a 1080 Ti, though?), but there was no change whatsoever after turning it off. Getting between 30-45 FPS most places, around 60 in certain maps (if they're empty), and 80 in very simple sections of map (desert) with nothing else around. Never higher. That's only slightly better than my 6 year old setup. I'm not mad I upgraded, but I guess I was just expecting better. The bottle neck may be my internet connection, I suspect there's some latency, given the signal is never particularly strong, and I'm several rooms away from the router. I'm getting a second access point installed in my room so I can have a wired connection and will report back in a week or so when it happens.

    Anyway, anyone with a similar setup having these issues? I remember seeing a video on youtube of someone running it at 4k on a 1080Ti and it would only drop to ~35FPS in the most chaotic, populated situations.

  • orfeoulis.4325orfeoulis.4325 Member ✭✭
    edited November 6, 2018

    Same issue. [email protected] / gtx1080 8gb.

    Game runs mostly at sub 60 frames (unless I'm looking at the floor) regardless of quality settings. If I turn everything down I get maybe +5-10fps total.

    Also my CPU and GPU run at ~50% usage when framerates dip to 30-40fps. Screenshot at heart of the mists for proof. 40ish fps. https://i.imgur.com/GmqYdb3.jpg Please note the laughable 35% gpu usage and the 65%ish cpu usage the results 45 fps....

    Is this normal? I thought my rig would be enough to at least maintain 60fps.

    Edit, better screenshot (you can see the framerate on the bottom right cornet of the GW2 options window)

  • Runakh.5643Runakh.5643 Member ✭✭
    edited November 6, 2018

    @orfeoulis.4325 @greenlights.7960
    Have you guys tried disabling Hyperthreading/Multithreading ?

  • @Runakh.5643 the screenshot i posted is with hyperthreading disabled. It makes no difference :(

  • Zagerus.8675Zagerus.8675 Member ✭✭
    edited November 6, 2018

    It's definitely normal in most areas with a lot of players on screen. Even for modern day CPU's it's a mind-boggling task trying to power through 50+ characters on the screen doing all kinds of unique animations and skill effects every second. You should be able to adjust things like Character Model Limit and Character Model Quality in your graphics options to score some FPS. In your case orfeolis it might be the case of a ton of npc's being on the screen. It doesn't look like too many players are around. I've also wondered if it's just an optimization issue for Heart of the Mists.. I've heard several people in map chat complain that the lobby is really laggy for them.

  • @Runakh.5643 said:
    @orfeoulis.4325 @greenlights.7960
    Have you guys tried disabling Hyperthreading/Multithreading ?

    Disabling multithreading is impossible. It's an inherent function of the operating system. Hyperthreading might or might not be worth messing with, since it affects only the way in which the OS assigns threads to processor execution units.

    @Biff.5312 said:
    Exercise your whimsy.

  • @Steve The Cynic.3217 said:

    @Runakh.5643 said:
    @orfeoulis.4325 @greenlights.7960
    Have you guys tried disabling Hyperthreading/Multithreading ?

    Disabling multithreading is impossible. It's an inherent function of the operating system. Hyperthreading might or might not be worth messing with, since it affects only the way in which the OS assigns threads to processor execution units.

    Thanks for the heads up! I haven’t tried it yet, but I guess I won’t. I also would find it a bit annoying to have to restart, go into bios, and disable it, and have to do it again when I stop playing.

    Haven’t been on much the past few days, but I’m actually getting a wired connection installed today. I’ll play around with character model settings and see what happens.

  • @orfeoulis.4325 said:
    @Runakh.5643 the screenshot i posted is with hyperthreading disabled. It makes no difference :(

    That's weird. I experience +20-40FPS with disabled Hyperthreading, on my i7-7850H.

    @Zagerus.8675 said:
    It's definitely normal in most areas with a lot of players on screen. Even for modern day CPU's it's a mind-boggling task trying to power through 50+ characters on the screen doing all kinds of unique animations and skill effects every second. You should be able to adjust things like Character Model Limit and Character Model Quality in your graphics options to score some FPS. In your case orfeolis it might be the case of a ton of npc's being on the screen. It doesn't look like too many players are around. I've also wondered if it's just an optimization issue for Heart of the Mists.. I've heard several people in map chat complain that the lobby is really laggy for them.

    It's not normal to have -50FPS when upgrading to a +80% faster CPU and a +40% faster GPU.

  • ReaverKane.7598ReaverKane.7598 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Larenc.1269 said:
    Older products run it better if you can get it to work [compatibility issues] my brother has a computer thats 10 years old and runs gw2 better then my New high performance gaming laptop specialized in well gaming lol. Why does it run better you might ask? Less bs plain and simple. Newer products have more protocols then necessary.

    Actually, it's more like GW2's Engine is based on GW1's engine, which was built at a time Multi-Core Processors weren't even a thing, and everything was optimized for single-core PCs. GW2's Engineers have since shifted some load into secondary threads, but the engine is nowhere near close to being optimized for multi-core CPUs.
    Those "new protocols" run of APIs like DirectX. And since GW2 is still using DirectX 9, it's still running of those old protocols. The other problem is, that most Hardware developers are deprecating DX9, since Microsoft stopped supporting it in 2017. Meaning software running DirectX9 will start running less and less efficiently in newer hardware because it's not supported fully.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Posting your graphics tab settings would help a lot

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Larenc.1269 said:
    Older products run it better if you can get it to work [compatibility issues] my brother has a computer thats 10 years old and runs gw2 better then my New high performance gaming laptop specialized in well gaming lol. Why does it run better you might ask? Less bs plain and simple. Newer products have more protocols then necessary.

    GW2 depends on single core performance. An I7-8700 has a 3.2 GHz single core speed, while a i7-960, which was released in 2009, also has 3.2 GHz single core performance. For GW2 those two processors are very similar, even though they are 9 years apart. Laptop CPUs usually have less clock speed than desktop CPUs. That's why your brother's machine runs faster.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2018

    @orfeoulis.4325 said:
    Same issue. [email protected] / gtx1080 8gb.

    Game runs mostly at sub 60 frames (unless I'm looking at the floor) regardless of quality settings. If I turn everything down I get maybe +5-10fps total.

    Also my CPU and GPU run at ~50% usage when framerates dip to 30-40fps. Screenshot at heart of the mists for proof. 40ish fps. https://i.imgur.com/GmqYdb3.jpg Please note the laughable 35% gpu usage and the 65%ish cpu usage the results 45 fps....

    Is this normal? I thought my rig would be enough to at least maintain 60fps.

    Edit, better screenshot (you can see the framerate on the bottom right cornet of the GW2 options window)

    The overall CPU usage doesn't mean anything, you need to check your cores individually and see if any one of them reaches 90%+ usage.

    Intel says 4790k is clocked at 4.0 GHz (4.4GHz boost)

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Runakh.5643 said:
    I ran into the same issue ever since I upgraded my computer.
    I7 Gen4 + 970M = 80-120FPS
    i7 Gen8 + 1060 6GB = 30-50FPS

    I've tried all different optimization settings from both Intel drivers and NVidia drivers, as well as Windows settings...
    Let me know if you find out why

    The generation of your CPU doesn't matter and your GPU also is of little use when the bottleneck is the CPU single core performance.
    The fastest I7 Gen 8 is 8086K at 4.0 GHz
    The fastest I7 Gen 4 is 4770K also at 4.0 GHz

    You can start by posting your graphics tab with the fps counter on both machines. Those results don't look real at all.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Runakh.5643 said:
    That's weird. I experience +20-40FPS with disabled Hyperthreading, on my i7-7850H.

    There is no i7-7850H on Intel's Ark so your CPU is something else.

  • Maze.3825Maze.3825 Member ✭✭

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @Runakh.5643 said:
    I ran into the same issue ever since I upgraded my computer.
    I7 Gen4 + 970M = 80-120FPS
    i7 Gen8 + 1060 6GB = 30-50FPS

    I've tried all different optimization settings from both Intel drivers and NVidia drivers, as well as Windows settings...
    Let me know if you find out why

    The generation of your CPU doesn't matter and your GPU also is of little use when the bottleneck is the CPU single core performance.
    The fastest I7 Gen 8 is 8086K at 4.0 GHz
    The fastest I7 Gen 4 is 4770K also at 4.0 GHz

    You can start by posting your graphics tab with the fps counter on both machines. Those results don't look real at all.

    Wouldn't it matter since the IPC would be greater with the later generations?

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Maze.3825 said:

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @Runakh.5643 said:
    I ran into the same issue ever since I upgraded my computer.
    I7 Gen4 + 970M = 80-120FPS
    i7 Gen8 + 1060 6GB = 30-50FPS

    I've tried all different optimization settings from both Intel drivers and NVidia drivers, as well as Windows settings...
    Let me know if you find out why

    The generation of your CPU doesn't matter and your GPU also is of little use when the bottleneck is the CPU single core performance.
    The fastest I7 Gen 8 is 8086K at 4.0 GHz
    The fastest I7 Gen 4 is 4770K also at 4.0 GHz

    You can start by posting your graphics tab with the fps counter on both machines. Those results don't look real at all.

    Wouldn't it matter since the IPC would be greater with the later generations?

    Haswell (Gen 4) and up to Coffee Lake (Gen 8) Intel CPUs have the same IPC. I just noticed a mistake in my post, the 4790k runs at 4.0 GHz, not the 4770k.

  • orfeoulis.4325orfeoulis.4325 Member ✭✭
    edited November 7, 2018

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @orfeoulis.4325 said:
    Same issue. [email protected] / gtx1080 8gb.

    Game runs mostly at sub 60 frames (unless I'm looking at the floor) regardless of quality settings. If I turn everything down I get maybe +5-10fps total.

    Also my CPU and GPU run at ~50% usage when framerates dip to 30-40fps. Screenshot at heart of the mists for proof. 40ish fps. https://i.imgur.com/GmqYdb3.jpg Please note the laughable 35% gpu usage and the 65%ish cpu usage the results 45 fps....

    Is this normal? I thought my rig would be enough to at least maintain 60fps.

    Edit, better screenshot (you can see the framerate on the bottom right cornet of the GW2 options window)

    The overall CPU usage doesn't mean anything, you need to check your cores individually and see if any one of them reaches 90%+ usage.

    Intel says 4790k is clocked at 4.0 GHz (4.4GHz boost)

    https://i.imgur.com/pktyOlO.jpg here you go. @maddoctor.2738

    Not sure what to make of this, but 40 fps with seems way too low for this rig. Either I'm spoiled with all my games running at 100+ fps and this is perfectly normal for the gw2, or there's something eluding me about how to run gw2 in 2018.

    Problem is I want to play like crazy but the fps dips make it unbearable for me, I'm just curious if this sub-par performance a core "feature" so I can move on.

  • wanya.1697wanya.1697 Member ✭✭
    edited November 6, 2018

    @orfeoulis.4325 said: Please note the laughable 35% gpu usage and the 65%ish cpu usage the results 45 fps....

    for CPU usage you have to look at each core separately
    it happens all the time that one core is nearly at 100% while others are only at 20 to 30%
    so overall cpu usage looks like there is no issue while you actually already are at maximum
    this is the main issue of gw2 it does not use multicores to full potential
    a dual core with 5 ghz will run the game better as a quad core with hyperthreading at 4 ghz

  • orfeoulis.4325orfeoulis.4325 Member ✭✭
    edited November 7, 2018

    @wanya.1697 hmmm so you are telling me that the fact that core 0 and 4 are at 80% is the problem here? Doesn't seem I can to much about it :( Quite disappointing tbh, really wanted to come back to gw2, but playing at 40fps ruins it.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @orfeoulis.4325 said:
    @wanya.1697 hmmm so you are telling me that the fact that core 0 and 4 are at 80% is the problem here? Doesn't seem I can to much about it :( Quite disappointing tbh, really wanted to come back to gw2, but playing at 40fps ruins it.

    This looks normal for GW2, those 2 cores have really high usage which is the problem because GW2 uses mostly one core for its main thread. There is indeed nothing you can do, other than increasing the graphic settings (by a lot), your GPU can handle it. Leave character model limit at low though as that affects CPU performance more than anything else. You won't go above 40-50 fps but at least you will be playing the game at near maximum settings.

  • you could try turning off hyperthreading so only the real cores are used on older I7 that helped a littlebit not sure about newer ones
    at that waypoint I also only have about 40 fps with slightly lower graphic settings (I have I7 2600k at 4.3ghz with gtx1060)

  • @wanya.1697 @maddoctor.2738 thanks for the replies

  • gimo.3281gimo.3281 Member ✭✭

    it is assumed that when new technology comes out, legacy api's performance gonna get carried and will improve. looks like technology goes into reverse.

  • samo.1054samo.1054 Member ✭✭✭

    Some of the screenshots in this topic definitely have too low fps considering the PC setup. There is something wrong with your system, but can only wild guess here as to what it may be. Also make sure that your RAM is running in dual channel and enable XMP profile.

    Additionally it is not true that old generations of CPUs would run similar or even more FPS than newer ones. Altho in many cases the differences may be small, but newer generations should always be faster. Even if CPUs have the same clock, it is ignorant to assume that an old generation CPU with the same clock is equally fast. Single core performance of newer CPUs is still improved compared to older ones even at same frequency. Additionally newer generations of CPUs are coupled with faster ram and all that added together DOES make a difference.

    All that being said, it is not worth to upgrade from i7 4790k to i7 8700, or ryzen 2700x just for the sake of guild wars 2. You will be disappointed. The screenshot posted by @orfeoulis.4325 definitely shows way too low FPS considering on screen situation, settings and PC setup. I'm running [email protected], dual channel ram @ 2133Ghz and a r9 290x and will get 50-60 fps on all high settings in a crowded pvp area, easily. So there is definitely something wrong with your system.

    Go to userbenchmarks.com, test your system and you might get some clue if any of your parts are underperforming.

  • Those threads rise every week. The answer is always the same: GW2 uses a 12 year old engine with dx9c. It's horribly optimised. And that's why you get kitten FPS.

  • orfeoulis.4325orfeoulis.4325 Member ✭✭
    edited November 9, 2018

    @samo.1054 here's my user benchmark, https://userbenchmark.com/UserRun/11990174 looks pretty ok I think.

    Ignore the terrible hdd performance, i'm running gw2 from my ssd anyway.

    Screenshot for the lazy
    Also please note that GW2 is the only game that gives so terrible performance. And by terrible I mean consistent below 60fps drops.

    Overwatch/warframe runs on 140-165fps mostly, WoW, black desert online, 100+ and CoD4 80-100 to name a few. Path of exile also brings my gpu to it's knees but runs at 120+ fps too. I run my games at 2560x1440 on a 165hz monitor btw (asus rog pg279q)

    I'm really bummed out tbh, bought PoF and was really hyped to get back into the game :/

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