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What does "late" (timezone) refers to?

SkyShroud.2865SkyShroud.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

Often people like to use terms like late NA, late eu, late sea, late ocx but what timing exactly are those?

I am pretty sure not everyone has a common understanding what "late" here refers to and pretty sure again that everyone is just making assumption of what people are saying when they use that term.

So, what exactly is "late" here? In its exact timing.

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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You will again, get a range of responses as to when each ‘late’ threshold kicks in.

    Likely several reasons for it one of which may be ‘it’s “late” here so that makes it late xxx’

    It’ll hinge greatly on personal perspective.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's earlier than too late but later than early. What's diffuse about it?

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Gonna hazard a guess and say that late means after prime time

    Logging out forever.

  • Crius.5487Crius.5487 Member ✭✭✭

    Generally somewhere between 10 PM and midnight for that time zone. It varies greatly depending on region, especially NA since we have four time zones for the 48 contiguous states. In this context, there isn't a clear and concise definition for what late means. Late is the time when a majority of the people in that region start logging off so those that stay up are staying late.

  • Israel.7056Israel.7056 Member ✭✭✭✭

    "late" refers to the latter half of each timezone.

  • @SkyShroud.2865 said:
    So, what exactly is "late" here? In its exact timing.

    See your earlier comment

    I am pretty sure not everyone has a common understanding what "late" here refers to and pretty sure again that everyone is just making assumption of what people are saying when they use that term.

    There's no set definition. It's a good way to generate missed signals, to expect others to use jargon the exact same way as ourselves.
    (mind you: it does no good to say so. people still use "hardcore" and "casual" and "elitist" as if everyone agrees what those mean, too)

    "With great power comes not-so-great utility bills."

  • SkyShroud.2865SkyShroud.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If there is no set definition, why people keep using it then? Isn't it very misleading?

    As far as I am aware, many EST people call past 10pm as late.

    But SEA people would say past 11pm or 12am as late.

    I am sure there is certain common understanding of "late" relative to the people in different regions. But it is indeed puzzling why people think the "late" timing applies the same to people across the world.

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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:
    If there is no set definition, why people keep using it then? Isn't it very misleading?

    As far as I am aware, many EST people call past 10pm as late.

    But SEA people would say past 11pm or 12am as late.

    I am sure there is certain common understanding of "late" relative to the people in different regions. But it is indeed puzzling why people think the "late" timing applies the same to people across the world.

    To a 50 year old, late is past 10:00 pm in whichever time zone they live. To a 18-25 y/o late is after 2:00 am (yeah most it’s later) in their time zone.

    There is an illogical logic behind it. Understanding it beyond that is a pointless waste of time.

  • SkyShroud.2865SkyShroud.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:
    If there is no set definition, why people keep using it then? Isn't it very misleading?

    As far as I am aware, many EST people call past 10pm as late.

    But SEA people would say past 11pm or 12am as late.

    I am sure there is certain common understanding of "late" relative to the people in different regions. But it is indeed puzzling why people think the "late" timing applies the same to people across the world.

    To a 50 year old, late is past 10:00 pm in whichever time zone they live. To a 18-25 y/o late is after 2:00 am (yeah most it’s later) in their time zone.

    There is an illogical logic behind it. Understanding it beyond that is a pointless waste of time.

    My old parents sleep at 12am.

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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:
    If there is no set definition, why people keep using it then? Isn't it very misleading?

    As far as I am aware, many EST people call past 10pm as late.

    But SEA people would say past 11pm or 12am as late.

    I am sure there is certain common understanding of "late" relative to the people in different regions. But it is indeed puzzling why people think the "late" timing applies the same to people across the world.

    To a 50 year old, late is past 10:00 pm in whichever time zone they live. To a 18-25 y/o late is after 2:00 am (yeah most it’s later) in their time zone.

    There is an illogical logic behind it. Understanding it beyond that is a pointless waste of time.

    My old parents sleep at 12am.

    Good for them. :smile:

  • Used by people who think the world revolves around their sleep time.

  • Just look when most guilds run, if they're running later than usual then that's "late".

  • Lexi.1398Lexi.1398 Member ✭✭✭

    tbh i generally only see "late" phrased around a certain guild/commander/group- eg someone may say late eu in that, an eu guild is tagging at 4am in their timezone... so even more confusion to the mess! haha.

    the only real consistency i see is that if it's past 12am local people consider it late- which would fairly align with my observations of NA prime too (things really drop off around local 12am).

  • @SkyShroud.2865 said:
    If there is no set definition, why people keep using it then?

    Because that's how language works and that's how people use language. Again, I draw your attention to the terms: casual, hardcore, elitist. There's no consensus about what any of that means, and yet people keep using them in discussions, ending up digression the conversation to the point no one remembers what the original idea was.

    If you want to know what time people are playing, don't use the word "late." Be specific about the time.

    • Good: "our static starts fractals at Reset + 2 hours. Interested in joining us?"
    • Bad: "our static starts raids early. Does that work for you?"

    "With great power comes not-so-great utility bills."

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:
    Often people like to use terms like late NA, late eu, late sea, late ocx but what timing exactly are those?

    I am pretty sure not everyone has a common understanding what "late" here refers to and pretty sure again that everyone is just making assumption of what people are saying when they use that term.

    So, what exactly is "late" here? In its exact timing.

    This is not hard to figure out....

    When someone says "late" they are referring to the time where most people in THEIR time zone are sleeping... There is no defined "time exactly", but there are times of no sunlight where most are sleeping and would be considered "late".

    Have you ever told someone "it's getting late, I have to sleep."?

    Does this give you a better understanding or no?

    "It's that sorta mentality that prevents progress from actually being made and the game from being fun for everyone and not the minority." -TexZero

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/9804/idea-wvw-only-movement-skills

  • SkyShroud.2865SkyShroud.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:
    Often people like to use terms like late NA, late eu, late sea, late ocx but what timing exactly are those?

    I am pretty sure not everyone has a common understanding what "late" here refers to and pretty sure again that everyone is just making assumption of what people are saying when they use that term.

    So, what exactly is "late" here? In its exact timing.

    This is not hard to figure out....

    When someone says "late" they are referring to the time where most people in THEIR time zone are sleeping... There is no defined "time exactly", but there are times of no sunlight where most are sleeping and would be considered "late".

    Have you ever told someone "it's getting late, I have to sleep."?

    Does this give you a better understanding or no?

    And the time is?

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    Henge of Denravi Server
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  • late is whenever I log off. Easy.

  • @SkyShroud.2865 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:
    Often people like to use terms like late NA, late eu, late sea, late ocx but what timing exactly are those?

    I am pretty sure not everyone has a common understanding what "late" here refers to and pretty sure again that everyone is just making assumption of what people are saying when they use that term.

    So, what exactly is "late" here? In its exact timing.

    This is not hard to figure out....

    When someone says "late" they are referring to the time where most people in THEIR time zone are sleeping... There is no defined "time exactly", but there are times of no sunlight where most are sleeping and would be considered "late".

    Have you ever told someone "it's getting late, I have to sleep."?

    Does this give you a better understanding or no?

    And the time is?

    time is an illusion

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:
    Often people like to use terms like late NA, late eu, late sea, late ocx but what timing exactly are those?

    I am pretty sure not everyone has a common understanding what "late" here refers to and pretty sure again that everyone is just making assumption of what people are saying when they use that term.

    So, what exactly is "late" here? In its exact timing.

    This is not hard to figure out....

    When someone says "late" they are referring to the time where most people in THEIR time zone are sleeping... There is no defined "time exactly", but there are times of no sunlight where most are sleeping and would be considered "late".

    Have you ever told someone "it's getting late, I have to sleep."?

    Does this give you a better understanding or no?

    And the time is irrelevant?

    Fixed that for you.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 19, 2018

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:
    Often people like to use terms like late NA, late eu, late sea, late ocx but what timing exactly are those?

    I am pretty sure not everyone has a common understanding what "late" here refers to and pretty sure again that everyone is just making assumption of what people are saying when they use that term.

    So, what exactly is "late" here? In its exact timing.

    This is not hard to figure out....

    When someone says "late" they are referring to the time where most people in THEIR time zone are sleeping... There is no defined "time exactly", but there are times of no sunlight where most are sleeping and would be considered "late".

    Have you ever told someone "it's getting late, I have to sleep."?

    Does this give you a better understanding or no?

    And the time is?

    You should reread my post...

    Also, I want you to answer a few questions...

    Most humans go to bed at night or daytime?

    Do people usually say “It’s getting dark so I’m going to bed.” Or “ it’s light out and getting early so I’m going to bed.”?

    Do you think most people living on the US west coast would say it’s late or early in the middle of the night?

    Do you think there are more or less EU players playing gw2 wvw in the middle of their night when most people are sleeping?

    Do you think there are more or less US players playing gw2 wvw in the middle of their night when most people are sleeping?

    ...When people talk about late or early they are talking about their time zone. It’s easy to forget there are all different time zones... I suggest you familiarize yourself with world time zones and try to understand what more people would consider “late” for them.

    https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/

    https://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones-history.html

    "It's that sorta mentality that prevents progress from actually being made and the game from being fun for everyone and not the minority." -TexZero

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/9804/idea-wvw-only-movement-skills

  • I believe the majority of players play on the EST time, so prime time would be what.. 7-10pm or so EST? So this is where NA would fit. So factor in the rest of the time zones around that vs where you are.

  • SkyShroud.2865SkyShroud.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 20, 2018

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:
    Often people like to use terms like late NA, late eu, late sea, late ocx but what timing exactly are those?

    I am pretty sure not everyone has a common understanding what "late" here refers to and pretty sure again that everyone is just making assumption of what people are saying when they use that term.

    So, what exactly is "late" here? In its exact timing.

    This is not hard to figure out....

    When someone says "late" they are referring to the time where most people in THEIR time zone are sleeping... There is no defined "time exactly", but there are times of no sunlight where most are sleeping and would be considered "late".

    Have you ever told someone "it's getting late, I have to sleep."?

    Does this give you a better understanding or no?

    And the time is?

    You should reread my post...

    Also, I want you to answer a few questions...

    Most humans go to bed at night or daytime?

    Do people usually say “It’s getting dark so I’m going to bed.” Or “ it’s light out and getting early so I’m going to bed.”?

    Do you think most people living on the US west coast would say it’s late or early in the middle of the night?

    Do you think there are more or less EU players playing gw2 wvw in the middle of their night when most people are sleeping?

    Do you think there are more or less US players playing gw2 wvw in the middle of their night when most people are sleeping?

    ...When people talk about late or early they are talking about their time zone. It’s easy to forget there are all different time zones... I suggest you familiarize yourself with world time zones and try to understand what more people would consider “late” for them.

    https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/

    https://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones-history.html

    ......

    i don't live where you live or do i know what is your culture
    how does me or anyone who don't belong to your or anyone's regions would know what time does the people there sleep at?

    the world doesn't revolve around a group of people and use that group of people as standard
    some places in the world sleep at 9pm
    some places in the word sleep at 12am
    some places in the world sleep at 2am

    so what time is it?

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    Henge of Denravi Server
    www.gw2time.com

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  • SkyShroud.2865SkyShroud.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 20, 2018

    @DeadlySynz.3471 said:
    I believe the majority of players play on the EST time, so prime time would be what.. 7-10pm or so EST? So this is where NA would fit. So factor in the rest of the time zones around that vs where you are.

    is PST the same too?

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  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:
    Often people like to use terms like late NA, late eu, late sea, late ocx but what timing exactly are those?

    I am pretty sure not everyone has a common understanding what "late" here refers to and pretty sure again that everyone is just making assumption of what people are saying when they use that term.

    So, what exactly is "late" here? In its exact timing.

    This is not hard to figure out....

    When someone says "late" they are referring to the time where most people in THEIR time zone are sleeping... There is no defined "time exactly", but there are times of no sunlight where most are sleeping and would be considered "late".

    Have you ever told someone "it's getting late, I have to sleep."?

    Does this give you a better understanding or no?

    And the time is?

    You should reread my post...

    Also, I want you to answer a few questions...

    Most humans go to bed at night or daytime?

    Do people usually say “It’s getting dark so I’m going to bed.” Or “ it’s light out and getting early so I’m going to bed.”?

    Do you think most people living on the US west coast would say it’s late or early in the middle of the night?

    Do you think there are more or less EU players playing gw2 wvw in the middle of their night when most people are sleeping?

    Do you think there are more or less US players playing gw2 wvw in the middle of their night when most people are sleeping?

    ...When people talk about late or early they are talking about their time zone. It’s easy to forget there are all different time zones... I suggest you familiarize yourself with world time zones and try to understand what more people would consider “late” for them.

    https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/

    https://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones-history.html

    ......

    i don't live where you live or do i know what is your culture
    how does me or anyone who don't belong to your or anyone's regions would know what time does the people there sleep at?

    the world doesn't revolve around a group of people and use that group of people as standard
    some places in the world sleep at 9pm
    some places in the word sleep at 12am
    some places in the world sleep at 2am

    so what time is it?

    Again...

    "You should reread my post...

    Also, I want you to answer a few questions...

    Most humans go to bed at night or daytime?

    Do people usually say “It’s getting dark so I’m going to bed.” Or “ it’s light out and getting early so I’m going to bed.”?

    Do you think most people living on the US west coast would say it’s late or early in the middle of the night?

    Do you think there are more or less EU players playing gw2 wvw in the middle of their night when most people are sleeping?

    Do you think there are more or less US players playing gw2 wvw in the middle of their night when most people are sleeping?

    ...When people talk about late or early they are talking about their time zone. It’s easy to forget there are all different time zones... I suggest you familiarize yourself with world time zones and try to understand what more people would consider “late” for them.

    https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/

    https://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones-history.html"

    "It's that sorta mentality that prevents progress from actually being made and the game from being fun for everyone and not the minority." -TexZero

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/9804/idea-wvw-only-movement-skills

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 20, 2018

    I'm going to help you even more...

    https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/singapore/singapore

    https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/usa/california

    Lets use the time of this post as reference...

    Right now it's almost noon in Singapore... Would noon be considered early in the day or late at night?

    In California US it's almost 8pm... Would 8pm be considered early in the day or getting later at night?

    So would you say "late" is different between Singapore and California? If you say yes, then how do we define an exact time frame for everyone on the planet, in different time zones, to agree on that it's "late"?

    "It's that sorta mentality that prevents progress from actually being made and the game from being fun for everyone and not the minority." -TexZero

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/9804/idea-wvw-only-movement-skills

  • SkyShroud.2865SkyShroud.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 20, 2018

    I found out one thing about you is that you are very argumentative and also condescending.

    Noon is a defined word, same as midnight. However, "late" isn't defined.
    You claim late is where when "most" people sleep, I told you people of different regions sleep differently at different time. I believe this is a understood statement which I don't get how you can even try to refute it. I'm dumbfounded.

    These surveys all shown different sleep time
    http://time.com/4318156/sleep-countries-style/
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3042230/Sleeping-habits-world-revealed-wakes-grumpy-China-best-quality-shut-eye-South-Africa-wakes-earliest.html

    In here, people say is past 4am. Some say past 12am.
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Late-Nights

    If you google "what time is late night"
    You get this Late night programming begins at 11:34 pm Eastern/Pacific Times, after network affiliates' late local news. On Fox and cable, late night starts at 11:00 pm ET/PT.

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  • Pensadora.9478Pensadora.9478 Member ✭✭
    edited November 21, 2018

    It is so late that this late discussion is too late to matter.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 20, 2018

    well depending on what timezone youre in, be it eu/na/ocx/sea, it prob means past their primetime and getting close to bedtime (anywhere form 8-12pm or so idk).
    late by definition isn't exact, so...

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