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  • @viquing.8254 said:
    There are people who play only for rewards ? (That surely explains the regular crying when playing...)
    (Ok I admit If I knowed that there were rewards, I probably spend less time on exotic chronotank builds :) .)
    But reward or not, it didn't change the objective of being first isn't it ?

    I think a lot of people wouldn't play meme builds all season if they knew.

  • @mrauls.6519 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    At the risk of fanning flames, please keep in mind that the people who inadvertently got titles did not purposefully exploit anything. They simply opened the box later than usual. Currently, our only means of removing titles has very severe additional repercussions and is not something we do lightly.

    We had 3 realistic options:
    A) Ignore it and hope no one notices.
    B) Announce the mistake but not grant titles to anyone else on the leaderboard.
    C) Announce the mistake and grant titles to everyone else who placed on the leaderboard, knowing that some segment of players would be understandably upset. We felt this was the most fair of the 3 options.

    Can we get more visibility around what the repercussions would have been?

    My best guess is that it would be the same sort of random (or at least arbitrary) thing that can go wrong if they change someone's account display name.(1)

    (1) The fact that changing a display name can do this indicates to me that it is not, as such, really a "display name". A display name should be 100% cosmetic, with all "real" links inside the system's data structures being made using a hidden "internal ID" that can be whatever seems appropriate (simple integer as a serial number, GUID, whatever, so long as it is unique, chosen by the system, never shown to end-users, and never changed).

    @Biff.5312 said:
    Exercise your whimsy.

  • If I understand well, If I don't open the reward chest and keep it till you change titles I will get new title even before season starts ? Easy tip easy title.

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  • Sampson.2403Sampson.2403 Member ✭✭✭

    Lulz. After all the discussion around removing s13 titles and then this happens.

    Lesson learned - don't mess with titles ever again ;)

  • Titles were already a joke even without this, now those few people who still haven't had any now got them for free basically (considering how many people quit because of the lack of rewards etc.) Terrible move.

  • mrauls.6519mrauls.6519 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2018

    @Exalted Quality.8534 said:
    You had no problem removing God Walking Amongst Mere Mortal titles that were given out erroneously, so how, exactly, is this different? This is poor form, but I can’t say I’m suprised. 🤔

    Good point. I want visibility on the repercussions they keep mentioning

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  • Agreed. Don't really care if a few folks got the title incorrectly, but rather just more retroactively upset that I didn't meet the game minimum. Would have not taken a bit of a break had i known.

  • @Exalted Quality.8534 said:
    You had no problem removing God Walking Amongst Mere Mortal titles that were given out erroneously, so how, exactly, is this different? This is poor form, but I can’t say I’m suprised. 🤔

    I'm really not sure exactly. But taking a quick look at how that title is set up, it's a bit of a special snowflake because it's getting information on whether you qualified for that title from GW1 rather than any actions you took in GW2.

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  • ReaverKane.7598ReaverKane.7598 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

    @Exalted Quality.8534 said:
    You had no problem removing God Walking Amongst Mere Mortal titles that were given out erroneously, so how, exactly, is this different? This is poor form, but I can’t say I’m suprised. 🤔

    I'm really not sure exactly. But taking a quick look at how that title is set up, it's a bit of a special snowflake because it's getting information on whether you qualified for that title from GW1 rather than any actions you took in GW2.

    Wouldn't that make it harder (which it clearly is, since it's constantly removed and reapplied when there's a problem with the GW1 servers) than removing titles in the few accounts that lingered onto their chests?
    Also, risking talking above my pay grade, i find it odd that your algorithm has tied titles so strongly to the chest rewards. I mean, personally, i find it a bit of a lack of foresight, in case you ever want to have seasonal titles (which meant that a chest reward opened on the following season would get the wrong title awarded) or something like this, it just makes things that more complicated.
    Anyway, personally, it just feels you haven't been trying enough on the sPvP side. And, honestly, it's these small faux pas that pile on top of other things and lead to my personal discontent, and current aversion to playing GW2.
    Arena Net's vision of the game has extremely diverged from my expectations, and at this point, i'm just hanging on, waiting to be proven wrong.

  • @ReaverKane.7598 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

    @Exalted Quality.8534 said:
    You had no problem removing God Walking Amongst Mere Mortal titles that were given out erroneously, so how, exactly, is this different? This is poor form, but I can’t say I’m suprised. 🤔

    I'm really not sure exactly. But taking a quick look at how that title is set up, it's a bit of a special snowflake because it's getting information on whether you qualified for that title from GW1 rather than any actions you took in GW2.

    Wouldn't that make it harder (which it clearly is, since it's constantly removed and reapplied when there's a problem with the GW1 servers) than removing titles in the few accounts that lingered onto their chests?

    The fact that it does this is probably why it's possible to remove the title without other repercussions. But as I mentioned, I'm not super familiar with how those titles work, so I shouldn't really speculate too much.

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  • mrauls.6519mrauls.6519 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

    @ReaverKane.7598 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

    @Exalted Quality.8534 said:
    You had no problem removing God Walking Amongst Mere Mortal titles that were given out erroneously, so how, exactly, is this different? This is poor form, but I can’t say I’m suprised. 🤔

    I'm really not sure exactly. But taking a quick look at how that title is set up, it's a bit of a special snowflake because it's getting information on whether you qualified for that title from GW1 rather than any actions you took in GW2.

    Wouldn't that make it harder (which it clearly is, since it's constantly removed and reapplied when there's a problem with the GW1 servers) than removing titles in the few accounts that lingered onto their chests?

    The fact that it does this is probably why it's possible to remove the title without other repercussions. But as I mentioned, I'm not super familiar with how those titles work, so I shouldn't really speculate too much.

    I agree, speculating is bad. Can one of the staff members clarify things for us? More visibility behind their reasoning would be nice. I'm leaning more towards just letting the people that wrongly got their titles keep them - the rest, sorry

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  • mrauls.6519mrauls.6519 Member ✭✭✭

    @jcbroe.4329 said:
    I didn't play PvP last season because there weren't supposed to be any competitive rewards.

    Now I won't be playing PvP seasons due to the (continued) lack of integrity.

    If only us not playing would affect something

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  • FlOwMaKeRs.8623FlOwMaKeRs.8623 Member ✭✭
    edited November 9, 2018

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 Ben, don't you think Duo Q + Tittles is going to be a bad idea? Why not remove the Duo Q and leave the titles? If people go crazy manipulating matchs in Solo Q ... Dont you think it will be worse now with the availability of the Duo Q?

  • major ball drop going on here. who gonna pick it up? hot potato hot potato!

    The horror...…….the horror...…….the horror...…….

  • mrauls.6519mrauls.6519 Member ✭✭✭

    @FlOwMaKeRs.8623 said:
    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 Ben, don't you think Duo Q + Tittles is going to be a bad idea? Why not remove the Duo Q and leave the titles? If people go crazy manipulating matchs in Solo Q ... Dont you think it will be worse now with the availability of the Duo Q?

    I've been saying the same thing. A lot of us know it's going to happen again

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  • witcher.3197witcher.3197 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2018

    @Hanakocz.5697 said:
    Why are people even mad about this? It is probably the first season where was total lack of wintrading for titles (because there were no titles to begin with), so those titles are probably more genuine than any others ever.

    It goes both ways. There was less wintrading, sure, but also less participation/tryharding at the top so getting top positions was way easier and as it wasn't nearly as competitive as usual.

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @FlOwMaKeRs.8623 said:
    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 Ben, don't you think Duo Q + Tittles is going to be a bad idea? Why not remove the Duo Q and leave the titles? If people go crazy manipulating matchs in Solo Q ... Dont you think it will be worse now with the availability of the Duo Q?

    Duo que helps prevent match manipulation. If someone on the enemy team decides to que an alt on your team and afk, you and your duo can still carry hard and win 4v5. This is impossible to do while solo quing.

  • mrauls.6519mrauls.6519 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2018

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @FlOwMaKeRs.8623 said:
    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 Ben, don't you think Duo Q + Tittles is going to be a bad idea? Why not remove the Duo Q and leave the titles? If people go crazy manipulating matchs in Solo Q ... Dont you think it will be worse now with the availability of the Duo Q?

    Duo que helps prevent match manipulation. If someone on the enemy team decides to que an alt on your team and afk, you and your duo can still carry hard and win 4v5. This is impossible to do while solo quing.

    I know we always disagree on this subject, but I really can't see a disadvantaged duo-queue beating a duo-queue with a full team.

    If you and your teammate are plat 3, and the other duo is plat 3 with three other plat 2 team mates... I can't see a 4 man beating a 5 man. Some crazy stuff would have to happen (like the 5 man having two staff Eles meme'ing)

    Edit: let this not stray us from the topic of this thread... :)

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  • AngelsShadow.7360AngelsShadow.7360 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 10, 2018

    SoloQ is boring and incredibly frustrating to play, resulting in no top tier players wanting to play it.

    Fun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Title integrity.

    And regardless of what people's opinions of the situation are, its done now so ye...

  • Harvey.7820Harvey.7820 Member ✭✭
    edited November 10, 2018

    Good. I'm in favor of this decision.

    As a veteran player from 2012 that took a long break and came back to PVP, I only found out halfway through the season that climbing the leaderboards meant nothing in S13, but I gave it a go and climbed anyways.

    I think removing all titles from S13 was a bad decision in the first place so I'm happy to hear that they will be retroactively awarded. If they remove any titles it should be from the accounts of win traders, not players who worked for them.

    A lot of salty people in here thinking that just because they decided not to personally try at all this season means others who played PVP for the sake of competition shouldn't receive any rewards. PvP is about competing in the first place, so if you are crying about not getting titles this season because you didn't try then you're not a true PVP player anyways.

  • Surprisingly this thread went silent when examples were made

  • Ziggityzog.7389Ziggityzog.7389 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 16, 2018

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  • Ziggityzog.7389Ziggityzog.7389 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    Let's look at your post. You say we "always go back on our words." That it has "happened countless times before." When? Where? Give details and examples. Make your case

    Here's a big one.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/58e36s/solo_and_duo_queue_only_for_season_5/

    The community voted for a single season of duo que under the impressions that:

    1. It was not going to be permanent
    2. We were going to be re-polled at the end of the season

    Where was the second poll?

    it's been soo long i barely remember how the first poll went. I'm guessing the win trading will became just as bad now that titles are back since it's hard to prevent match manipulation with duos.

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 16, 2018

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    Let's look at your post. You say we "always go back on our words." That it has "happened countless times before." When? Where? Give details and examples. Make your case

    Here's a big one.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/58e36s/solo_and_duo_queue_only_for_season_5/

    The community voted for a single season of duo que under the impressions that:

    1. It was not going to be permanent
    2. We were going to be re-polled at the end of the season

    Where was the second poll?

    it's been soo long i barely remember how the first poll went. I'm guessing the win trading will became just as bad now that titles are back since it's hard to prevent match manipulation with duos.

    There's no need to match manipulate with duos. The top players win more games regardless, so I'm guessing most of them would rather farm rating instead of risking their account with wintrading.

    Also, it's actually easier to prevent match manipulation with duos. With another competent player, 4v5s are possible if someone afks.

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