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Rune of Tormenting

apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

So for those wondering how much it heals for on 0 healing power, it's 171 per stack of torment applied per player.

No ICD.

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  • FaboBabo.3581FaboBabo.3581 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 13, 2018

    Thaaaaanks buddy , posted a thread for this in "players help players",
    Dudes , that's a lot - axe 2 procs 3 times , Axe ambush procs it a lot, Shatters can proc it, new sigil of torment can proc it.

    Guuuys im in !

    WAIT, does this means, it's per Stack???
    I currently think its per application
    Per stack is broken.

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  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Per stack.

  • FaboBabo.3581FaboBabo.3581 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Jeeeeeez , prices are allready pumping and pumping , 10g almost now ...

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  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You're welcome :)

  • Curunen.8729Curunen.8729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    kitten, thanks for sharing, some of these changes really are questionable. :o

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  • Pterikdactyl.7630Pterikdactyl.7630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Oh dang. Is this rune available in PvP? I'd like to play around with it on condi rev.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Not available in PvP.

    I never thought about rev and it's pulsing torment....

  • Pterikdactyl.7630Pterikdactyl.7630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Not available in PvP.

    I never thought about rev and it's pulsing torment....

    Yeah and abyssal chill and rampant vex bring in a lot of extra torment too.

  • Ansau.7326Ansau.7326 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 13, 2018

    It's per stack and also activated by clones.
    Runes of tormenting is the most broken thing anet ever designed. I will leave this here...

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  • Curunen.8729Curunen.8729 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 13, 2018

    @Ansau.7326 said:
    It's per stack and also activated by clones.
    Runes of tormenting is the most broken thing anet ever designed. I will leave this here just in case...

    >
    LOL that is insane! :o

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  • Rysdude.3824Rysdude.3824 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Can’t help but laugh and say “WOW”

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well I mean in WvW your clones don't get to free cast like that, but rev can get some similar numbers too.

  • I tried them with my build (marshals/griev/hybrid). They are good but i think needs time to setup. I went back to travelers runes. Probably be good for dumb open world spam builds? or for pure condi builds

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @fost.9167 said:
    I tried them with my build (marshals/griev/hybrid). They are good but i think needs time to setup. I went back to travelers runes. Probably be good for dumb open world spam builds? or for pure condi builds

    Yeah it really is better for condi builds I would say, axe can give sick output as above and sceptre is pretty nice for ranged, same with staff.

    Honestly I think it's going to get more crying about than it deserves. It offers some nice sustain for 2 classes that generally have to choose between sustain and damage in traits. Unlike say war, holo and ranger which can trait sustain and still stack 25 might and hit like a truck all the time.

  • Pyroatheist.9031Pyroatheist.9031 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There's no way this is gonna last. This is pretty busted.

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  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @fost.9167 said:
    I tried them with my build (marshals/griev/hybrid). They are good but i think needs time to setup. I went back to travelers runes. Probably be good for dumb open world spam builds? or for pure condi builds

    Yeah it really is better for condi builds I would say, axe can give sick output as above and sceptre is pretty nice for ranged, same with staff.

    Honestly I think it's going to get more crying about than it deserves. It offers some nice sustain for 2 classes that generally have to choose between sustain and damage in traits. Unlike say war, holo and ranger which can trait sustain and still stack 25 might and hit like a truck all the time.

    did you forget the scourge?

  • FaboBabo.3581FaboBabo.3581 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It procs on every condition right now lol.
    wvw abuse

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  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @fost.9167 said:
    I tried them with my build (marshals/griev/hybrid). They are good but i think needs time to setup. I went back to travelers runes. Probably be good for dumb open world spam builds? or for pure condi builds

    Yeah it really is better for condi builds I would say, axe can give sick output as above and sceptre is pretty nice for ranged, same with staff.

    Honestly I think it's going to get more crying about than it deserves. It offers some nice sustain for 2 classes that generally have to choose between sustain and damage in traits. Unlike say war, holo and ranger which can trait sustain and still stack 25 might and hit like a truck all the time.

    did you forget the scourge?

    A little but scourge can run other runes in zergs to cheese harder and for roaming there's better options too. They don't put out as much torment as rev and mirage, sure they put out a fair bit but it's not even close.

  • whoknocks.4935whoknocks.4935 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ansau.7326 said:
    It's per stack and also activated by clones.
    Runes of tormenting is the most broken thing anet ever designed. I will leave this here...

    I think rune of tormenting is actually bugged and works with every condition and not only torment xD

    That's why even other condi specs are abusing it tho.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Either way, will get fixed and nerfed hopefully sooner than later.

    I really don't get why they add stuff like this. Tying a rune or sigil to any type of condition application (or any boon application) already spells disaster for any future balance. Nice idea but very bad implementation.

  • all it needs is a 1 second icd

  • RabbitUp.8294RabbitUp.8294 Member ✭✭✭

    @Nightmare.1234 said:

    all it needs is a 1 second icd

    That would be too useless then, unless the heal amount was massively buffed. Otherwise all the bonus would do is heal you for 170 when using a torment skill, up to a maximum of 170/sec, but usually much lower than that in practice.

    I would rather they reworked it to heal you every second based on the number of torment stacks you have on enemies, instead of healing when applying it.

  • @RabbitUp.8294 said:
    @Nightmare.1234 said:

    all it needs is a 1 second icd

    That would be too useless then, unless the heal amount was massively buffed. Otherwise all the bonus would do is heal you for 170 when using a torment skill, up to a maximum of 170/sec, but usually much lower than that in practice.

    I would rather they reworked it to heal you every second based on the number of torment stacks you have on enemies, instead of healing when applying it.

    was more of a joke suggestion, its how they fix most of their traits, sigils and runes like that. but it would work ok like that if the heal was made 2-3 times stronger

  • so how long before some of these new changes get nerfed? I don't want to spend a bunch of gold for only a day or two =)

  • babazhook.6805babazhook.6805 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 14, 2018

    The rune seems to proc on every condition and not just torment. I suggest it bugged and not as OP as suggested. Fix the bug first and then see.

    The heal only happens when a condition applied. I suggest once the bug fixed if people simply use regular tactics to avoid Torment adds (ie dodge the shatters) the heals will not be overpowering. The reason it looks so now is even if you dodge/block avoid the torment adds it works on every other condition.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @babazhook.6805 said:
    The rune seems to proc on every condition and not just torment. I suggest it bugged and not as OP as suggested. Fix the bug first and then see.

    The heal only happens when a condition applied. I suggest once the bug fixed if people simply use regular tactics to avoid Torment adds (ie dodge the shatters) the heals will not be overpowering. The reason it looks so now is even if you dodge/block avoid the torment adds it works on every other condition.

    It's also very strong on rev atm, expect to see 2-3 revs running around together tormenting everything around with mallyx and herald. Just tested it in my guild hall and the rune is definitely healing off everything else so people really do need to wait till it's fixed.

  • Rune of Tormenting: Fixed a bug that allowed conditions other than torment to trigger healing.

    Still no toning down healing per stack.
    I guess rather than having 6k heal per dodge (with bleed etc) we now have 3k heal per dodge
    They either have no clue or just too proud to admit mistake.

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  • killfil.3472killfil.3472 Member ✭✭✭

    My eyes. Oh god.

  • Before this is going to be nerfed, what group content can I solo with this that's usually impossible? How far do I make it through Mythwright Gambit? Condi Mirage, that is. If I can solo this, I'll buy 6 of'em ;p

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @NICENIKESHOE.7128 said:

    Rune of Tormenting: Fixed a bug that allowed conditions other than torment to trigger healing.

    Still no toning down healing per stack.
    I guess rather than having 6k heal per dodge (with bleed etc) we now have 3k heal per dodge
    They either have no clue or just too proud to admit mistake.

    That would require hitting someone with 17 stacks of torment. I think if you're hitting someone with that much torment it wouldn't matter, the person has bigger issues than you healing off the torment applied.

    If it's vs a few other players maybe it has merit but as this is the mesmer area mesmer scales poorly when you get over 3 players fighting it. Usual rules apply, if the guy is running off half the time, don't chase and just bomb them away when they come back.

  • Pyroatheist.9031Pyroatheist.9031 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think fixing the bug first was an appropriate course of action. However, it still seems like these runes are rather significantly overtuned, so I'd expect a nerf.

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  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 15, 2018

    Let me put this in a perspective that most people will understand:

    If this Rune remains overpowered there will be 1 of 2 approaches taken to remedy the situation (or both):

    A. the rune gets nerfed or reworked

    B. mirage gets nerfed because we all know how well people separate class and rune balance

    You now get to chose which course of action you are more in favor of. For all I care, remove the rune from the game.

  • InsaneQR.7412InsaneQR.7412 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The rune will get nerfed surely.
    ICD of 1s maybe.
    Or just a lower heal overall so its more sustain instead of a full heal with some ambushed.

  • Nepster.4275Nepster.4275 Member ✭✭✭

    Hmm, is this rune works in WvW too? Would be a great thing to call out ANet to balance it to a normal level...

  • @apharma.3741 said:

    @NICENIKESHOE.7128 said:

    Rune of Tormenting: Fixed a bug that allowed conditions other than torment to trigger healing.

    Still no toning down healing per stack.
    I guess rather than having 6k heal per dodge (with bleed etc) we now have 3k heal per dodge
    They either have no clue or just too proud to admit mistake.

    That would require hitting someone with 17 stacks of torment. I think if you're hitting someone with that much torment it wouldn't matter, the person has bigger issues than you healing off the torment applied.

    If it's vs a few other players maybe it has merit but as this is the mesmer area mesmer scales poorly when you get over 3 players fighting it. Usual rules apply, if the guy is running off half the time, don't chase and just bomb them away when they come back.

    Mate you can pick on the numbers if you want, you know my point.
    This amount of torment is very much achieveable in WvW/PvE, the amount of healing it brings should be much less in the first place.

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  • Conditions are still a problem in wvw with FB/new sigils/runes ? Interesting... :D

  • "Fighting overtuned aspect with overtuned aspect" is merely distracting the discussion.
    Stop with the ignorance and see what the runes can do, there are already plenty of video on it.

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  • eldrjth.7384eldrjth.7384 Member ✭✭✭

    If they changed it again I wont be too happy since I crafted mine after they changed it thinking it would have settled down in a place they were happy with. Also it was stated that creating these interesting 6th rune benefits was one of the goals.

  • Pyroatheist.9031Pyroatheist.9031 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @eldrjth.7384 said:
    If they changed it again I wont be too happy since I crafted mine after they changed it thinking it would have settled down in a place they were happy with. Also it was stated that creating these interesting 6th rune benefits was one of the goals.

    Interesting 6th rune benefits doesn't mean "jaw-droppingly powerful 6th rune benefits". There's a difference.

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  • Oh no one is doubting 6th bonus, I trust most players are pretty happy with new and interesting interactions.
    But as always there should be fine tuning, the healed amount needs to be adjusted appropriate to torment's accessibility on rev/mesmer/necro.

    So that we don't have silly people who like strawman argument and invoking kneejerk balance like what we just had with Abrasive Grit (which I still believe having AG not proc off Sanctuary is way smarter than slapping lazy ICD)

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  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    Let me put this in a perspective that most people will understand:

    If this Rune remains overpowered there will be 1 of 2 approaches taken to remedy the situation (or both):

    A. the rune gets nerfed or reworked

    B. mirage gets nerfed because we all know how well people separate class and rune balance

    You now get to chose which course of action you are more in favor of. For all I care, remove the rune from the game.

    Awwww you think only one of those will happen. We both know it'll be both given how many people who have devs ears hate mesmer :smile:

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    Let me put this in a perspective that most people will understand:

    If this Rune remains overpowered there will be 1 of 2 approaches taken to remedy the situation (or both):

    A. the rune gets nerfed or reworked

    B. mirage gets nerfed because we all know how well people separate class and rune balance

    You now get to chose which course of action you are more in favor of. For all I care, remove the rune from the game.

    Awwww you think only one of those will happen. We both know it'll be both given how many people who have devs ears hate mesmer :smile:

    Yeah, here was me hoping we could have nice things :s

    In all seriousness, I wouldn't jump on any bandwagon of OP rune an sigil synergy right now and not expect changes.

    Want to steamroll people with OP setups? Fine go for it (I personally don't but am not one to tell people not to do everything possible to win). Don't expect people to feel sorry though when you are out of gold when balance hits. It's the price you pay for such fun.

    That said, at the very least Arenanet managed to make people try stuff and experiment with runes and sigils again. Fun times, even if it will only last until a new meta is formed. Everyone try to enjoy this period of "what should I try next?" uncertainty.

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  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Irenio CalmonHuang.2048 said:

    @perilisk.1874 said:
    Would it be possible to just have Abrasive Grit as a modifier on punishment and shade skills that triggers when those skills apply barrier?

    Not on this kind of timeline. We'd also need to discuss that further and test it for other potential consequences.

    @Apokriphos.7042 said:
    Dear Irenio,

    Will you and the other developers be looking at the impact of this rune while ressing?
    Will you also be looking at the impact of other rune sets that may be overpowered without a cooldown such as superior rune of torment?

    We've been looking at the impact of Rune of Sanctuary while ressing.
    We're going to keep watching them, including Rune of Torment, and adjusting runes as needed.

  • babazhook.6805babazhook.6805 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The Rune fine with the changes. a 13 stack torment application is still only a 2200 heal. I get more on my warrior with a shout and have 6 shouts I can use right after the other. If you are consitently getting it with 13 torment stacks every dodge or shatter, you have more to worry about then whether it healed uyp the enemy by 2k.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 16, 2018

    @babazhook.6805 said:
    The Rune fine with the changes. a 13 stack torment application is still only a 2200 heal. I get more on my warrior with a shout and have 6 shouts I can use right after the other. If you are consitently getting it with 13 torment stacks every dodge or shatter, you have more to worry about then whether it healed uyp the enemy by 2k.

    and you did the math for more than just single target? Say when shattering and hitting more than 1 target (when 1v2 or 1v3 fighting in WvW or Spvp)?

    Warrior shouts do not scale up according to enemy last time I checked, at least not the healing component. That is not even getting into the issues that this heal is on your main offensive and defensive ability as mirage, your dodge.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 16, 2018

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    Let me put this in a perspective that most people will understand:

    If this Rune remains overpowered there will be 1 of 2 approaches taken to remedy the situation (or both):

    A. the rune gets nerfed or reworked

    B. mirage gets nerfed because we all know how well people separate class and rune balance

    You now get to chose which course of action you are more in favor of. For all I care, remove the rune from the game.

    Awwww you think only one of those will happen. We both know it'll be both given how many people who have devs ears hate mesmer :smile:

    Yeah, here was me hoping we could have nice things :s

    In all seriousness, I wouldn't jump on any bandwagon of OP rune an sigil synergy right now and not expect changes.

    Want to steamroll people with OP setups? Fine go for it (I personally don't but am not one to tell people not to do everything possible to win). Don't expect people to feel sorry though when you are out of gold when balance hits. It's the price you pay for such fun.

    That said, at the very least Arenanet managed to make people try stuff and experiment with runes and sigils again. Fun times, even if it will only last until a new meta is formed. Everyone try to enjoy this period of "what should I try next?" uncertainty.

    Yeah I had 6 from a long time ago that I tested with legendary armour. Made a bit of money from crafting and selling runes of tormenting when the margin was much higher. To be honest I miss traveller runes most of the time, that +25% movement speed makes a big difference to getting away and not getting away when everyone and their mum has swiftness coming out of their eyeballs.

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @babazhook.6805 said:
    The Rune fine with the changes. a 13 stack torment application is still only a 2200 heal. I get more on my warrior with a shout and have 6 shouts I can use right after the other. If you are consitently getting it with 13 torment stacks every dodge or shatter, you have more to worry about then whether it healed uyp the enemy by 2k.

    and you did the math for more than just single target? Say when shattering and hitting more than 1 target (when 1v2 or 1v3 fighting in WvW or Spvp)?

    Warrior shouts do not scale up according to enemy last time I checked, at least not the healing component. That is not even getting into the issues that this heal is on your main offensive and defensive ability as mirage, your dodge.

    Yes it does scale better but condi mesmer effectiveness goes down when fighting 1v3 and higher. 1v2 might be the sweet spot but 1v3 and higher I doubt it will be an issue other than this mesmer heals a lot more just it explodes because sustained damage is bonkers from roamers like holo, soulbeast, rev, warrior and condition output of a supported scourge (yes you see this roaming) will annihilate you.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    Let me put this in a perspective that most people will understand:

    If this Rune remains overpowered there will be 1 of 2 approaches taken to remedy the situation (or both):

    A. the rune gets nerfed or reworked

    B. mirage gets nerfed because we all know how well people separate class and rune balance

    You now get to chose which course of action you are more in favor of. For all I care, remove the rune from the game.

    Awwww you think only one of those will happen. We both know it'll be both given how many people who have devs ears hate mesmer :smile:

    Yeah, here was me hoping we could have nice things :s

    In all seriousness, I wouldn't jump on any bandwagon of OP rune an sigil synergy right now and not expect changes.

    Want to steamroll people with OP setups? Fine go for it (I personally don't but am not one to tell people not to do everything possible to win). Don't expect people to feel sorry though when you are out of gold when balance hits. It's the price you pay for such fun.

    That said, at the very least Arenanet managed to make people try stuff and experiment with runes and sigils again. Fun times, even if it will only last until a new meta is formed. Everyone try to enjoy this period of "what should I try next?" uncertainty.

    Yeah I had 6 from a long time ago that I tested with legendary armour. Made a bit of money from crafting and selling runes of tormenting when the margin was much higher. To be honest I miss traveller runes most of the time, that +25% movement speed makes a big difference to getting away and not getting away when everyone and their mum has swiftness coming out of their eyeballs.

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @babazhook.6805 said:
    The Rune fine with the changes. a 13 stack torment application is still only a 2200 heal. I get more on my warrior with a shout and have 6 shouts I can use right after the other. If you are consitently getting it with 13 torment stacks every dodge or shatter, you have more to worry about then whether it healed uyp the enemy by 2k.

    and you did the math for more than just single target? Say when shattering and hitting more than 1 target (when 1v2 or 1v3 fighting in WvW or Spvp)?

    Warrior shouts do not scale up according to enemy last time I checked, at least not the healing component. That is not even getting into the issues that this heal is on your main offensive and defensive ability as mirage, your dodge.

    Yes it does scale better but condi mesmer effectiveness goes down when fighting 1v3 and higher. 1v2 might be the sweet spot but 1v3 and higher I doubt it will be an issue other than this mesmer heals a lot more just it explodes because sustained damage is bonkers from roamers like holo, soulbeast, rev, warrior and condition output of a supported scourge (yes you see this roaming) will annihilate you.

    That assumes perfect or good play on the other players side as well as a good class match-up to beat mirage.

    Those classes already have an easy fight against mirage, saying they will still beat mirage even with a strong rune doesn't help the issue. Yet the mirage cry train remains strong. I'm just not seeing how this rune in its overpowered state will help this.

    Then again, let's wait and see. Arenanet has the rune on its watch list, let's hope they balance the rune and not the class (hello Abrasive Grit change).