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  • revenant is a kitten. i can counter it with any class, not even talking about thief or mesmer wich can troll rev in every single aspect.

  • Simple math...condi meta=rev stinks.

    Power meta=rev opaf

    The solution is to buff rev power damage and evade access so they can be more relevant in our power burst meta.

    Reduce energy of phase traversal and riposting shadows to 5. Shiro was able to spam evades endlessly, and rev shouldn't have to stop after their 10s of iframes end.

  • idolin.2831idolin.2831 Member ✭✭✭

    OP's been trying to get rev nerfed for quite some time now, and since the first post it seems like he hasn't learned any new thing about Rev yet and still complained about "no CD" stunbreak, 20s+ iframe/block (what the hell?), infinite gap closers (like rev's got infinite energy or something), 12k damage unrelenting assault while he's playing mirage with clones and such, which counters rev's main hand sword pretty hard, 20k damage burst - I have no idea how you manage to eat an entire 20k damage burst, and he even says thief is worse at disengaging because of a 50CD shadowstep (what the hell is shortbow 5 for???).

  • Crinn.7864Crinn.7864 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 22, 2018

    @tinyreborn.1938 said:
    Necromancer life stealing do damage through endure pain iirc. Thats how its coded probably (life steal ignore endure pain,thats it :d)

    I actually killed a warrior while he was in endure pain with life steal, and I wasn't even using blood magic.

    Warrior: [Endure Pain]
    Me: ["Nothing Can Save You!"]
    Warrior: *dies*

    Sanity is for the weak minded
    YouTube

  • tinyreborn.1938tinyreborn.1938 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 22, 2018

    @Crinn.7864 said:

    @tinyreborn.1938 said:
    Necromancer life stealing do damage through endure pain iirc. Thats how its coded probably (life steal ignore endure pain,thats it :d)

    I actually killed a warrior while he was in endure pain with life steal, and I wasn't even using blood magic.

    Warrior: [Endure Pain]
    Me: ["Nothing Can Save You!"]
    Warrior: *dies*

    Life steal aka Life Siphon ignore endure pain ... He should had 100 hp literally to die
    There some crazy warrior that crying that rev with his heal that charges could be blocked/evaded crying how unfair for revs to do damage on EP :bleep_bloop:
    Well... he always crying that warrior getting nerfs only and never get buffs so ...yea...

  • @Neil.3825 said:
    OP your problem is with shiro (and maybe sword off hand), not rev. Even glint is here, in the meta build, just to buff more shiro and buy some time when the fight is not at rev's advantage.
    Nerf shiro and buff all useless legends like jalis, mallyx, ventari and kalla (wow 4/6 legends sucks, great diversity).

    This is the actual problem od Rev and I'm glad that someone is do straight-forward about it.
    Chill out with the Shiro burst and make other Jalis, Mallyx, Ventari and Kalla really viable. Like REALISTICALLY.
    Atm my guess is that ANet is afraid of Shiro-guys' outrage. Let's be fair - we need something to get weaker so other legends can shine through. Come on.

  • ArthurDent.9538ArthurDent.9538 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DonArkanio.6419 said:

    @Neil.3825 said:
    OP your problem is with shiro (and maybe sword off hand), not rev. Even glint is here, in the meta build, just to buff more shiro and buy some time when the fight is not at rev's advantage.
    Nerf shiro and buff all useless legends like jalis, mallyx, ventari and kalla (wow 4/6 legends sucks, great diversity).

    This is the actual problem od Rev and I'm glad that someone is do straight-forward about it.
    Chill out with the Shiro burst and make other Jalis, Mallyx, Ventari and Kalla really viable. Like REALISTICALLY.
    Atm my guess is that ANet is afraid of Shiro-guys' outrage. Let's be fair - we need something to get weaker so other legends can shine through. Come on.

    Not really, to use those other legends one has to drop either glint or shiro which are perceived as the 2 best legends. If you are running glint jalis for instance, it does not matter how strong shiro is at the time so why does it need to be nerfed to get jalis buffs? The reason to Nerf glint or shiro would be if the glint shiro build was oppressively op where alternative legends can fit into the meta but are just out classed by glint and shiro. But contrary to op's belief, current meta rev is pretty middle of the road compared to other classes meta specs, it is used by some strong teams but it is also not used by some strong teams such as both monthly at winners last month. So just buffing up alternative legends so they are valid competition to glint and shiro will not cause power creep as there is a clear opportunity cost to taking them.

  • Buran.3796Buran.3796 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DonArkanio.6419 said:

    This is the actual problem od Rev and I'm glad that someone is do straight-forward about it.
    Chill out with the Shiro burst and make other Jalis, Mallyx, Ventari and Kalla really viable. Like REALISTICALLY.
    Atm my guess is that ANet is afraid of Shiro-guys' outrage. Let's be fair - we need something to get weaker so other legends can shine through. Come on.

    You can't do that, because both core Rev and Renegade are garbage for PvP. Slash Shiro (even more) or Glint (which no longer provides any support in PvP, is used only due has AoE cleave, cc and a good stunbreak) and you just removed the class from the game mode. Revenant has nothing but HERALD to be played in PvP since 3 years ago; the same sword/x+staff build with Shiro/Glint, but more dull than in the past thanx to the reduction of available runes and sigils, the removing of skills as Equilibrium, the cutting off of procs, the F2 great team buffs replaced by useless PvE features, etc. Is a miracle that a narrowed version of the same predictable build which was in use at the Rev release is still in use, and yet there's 0 chances of a replacement, because how trashy the base class and the second specialization are for PvP. I have 0 expectations for the next one, also. Anyway, those tears taste like ragweed...

  • Exalted Quality.8534Exalted Quality.8534 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 26, 2018

    Lol I thought OP was joking 😂😂

    Rev is pretty balanced now. Very deadly when controlled by someone with skill, but still exceptionally weak to condi pressure and stunbreaks can be tricky.

    The skill ceiling for revs is higher than most classes and there aren’t that many people that play it, so you will usually go against someone that sucks or someone who could ruin you.

    The good news for you is that there has only been one remotely viable rev build in the meta for a really long time, so you can pretty much know what to expect. If you really want to improve, find someone who is good at rev and ask them to duel you so you can practice. Good luck gamer.

  • Klypto.1703Klypto.1703 Member ✭✭✭

    It'll be so cool in like a month or so we'll see gw1 and gw2 holding hands running on autopilot.

  • Arioch.4810Arioch.4810 Member ✭✭✭

    I enjoy playing Revenant and also playing against Revenant: Good kit but with limitations, Dharma outlined most of it in his post above.
    If you know what his options are, Rev is put in akward position - survive the burst then take him down. High risk high reward makes for some interesting gameplay.
    Obv if you use Revenants alpha strike on spellbreaker you are gone (invuln proc + counterburst) Engie i would try (procced elixir gives some time to replenish energy/swap legends and finish him off) mesmer and thief handle with care - if your burst is covered with some evade frames and/or blinds you are gone.

    If you bust rev down in stages even glint's heal is not enough - just don't heal him up to full health.
    Good revenants play similar to thief of old - grab a kill on some squishy target then fade away for 10-15 secs until your kit is up again. I love the flow of the action there.

  • @incisorr.9502 said:
    whatever i guess there's no hope that this class will ever get addressed? High elo is plagued with people borderline exploiting by playing revenant because the class is so ridiculously overpowered and unfair right now.

    Your post says more about your skill level than Anet's balance

  • Sampson.2403Sampson.2403 Member ✭✭✭

    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

    What exactly do they do so well to carry matches?

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • incisorr.9502incisorr.9502 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

    like how there's a 1.9K+ rev and like how none of the people posting here are actually 1750+ who have ever seen a high elo revenant and what they're capable of

    just like my threads are mostly stating the obvious

    good revs are broken cus the class is too forceful and does too much dmg , too reliably and " easy " and " uncounterably " in comparison to other classes

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

    like how there's a 1.9K+ rev and like how none of the people posting here are actually 1750+ who have ever seen a high elo revenant and what they're capable of

    just like my threads are mostly stating the obvious

    good revs are broken cus the class is too forceful and does too much dmg , too reliably and " easy " and " uncounterably " in comparison to other classes

    There are literally 20 players above 1700 Currently in NA

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • Shao.7236Shao.7236 Member ✭✭✭

    Just gonna post on behave of OP.

    Rev used to be alright when condi was dominant, the damage spikes actually made sense. Ever since conditions were nerfed, sword 4 just became a cheese fest and that's why I stopped playing power shiro altogether, it's too easy to play and really doesn't take much effort to achieve anything. The build pretty much carry itself.

    I had already suggested that they bring back the old sword 4 for the sake of balancing, or make it so that to hit very strong you need to block a certain amount of attacks because right now all you can do is drag your cheek across 4 5 after Phase Traversal and call it a day, if that's not enough, kite kite and repeat 4 5 until it's done.

    It has really come to the point where I stopped played my favorite profession just because of how stupidly easy it is to get kitten done with it.

    Rev used to be high skill with all the management, but nowadays people will deny and imply that it's still hard to play with whatever ways to think it's possible to counter them, they just don't understand how stupidly brain dead the burst is on the class and when you understand the profession, it becomes unstoppable in a way that isn't called skill play and attacking at the right time, it's straight up 4 5, 4 5, 4 5 because it follows up so well and you can't move out of it till immobilize is gone, even in plat people still melt to it.

    In a way this reminds me too much of how Power Lock used to be a stun, while possible to stunbreak fast enough and dodge or roll back with any stunbreak skill, it was still OP just for the fact that you couldnt do anything about it while now you just get dazed and if you don't react fast enough, you die just as fast.

  • Axl.8924Axl.8924 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    "Playing Revenant is Borderline Exploiting" and "Mesmers most broken class in game" are literally neck and neck in the PVP forum right now ... COINCIDENCE or CONSPIRACY?

    Personally im glad something counters mesmers, its about time we got something which counters mesmers.

    Here is my list of characters i got so far:

    Elementalist 80 with tempest:Talman nul
    Necromancer 80 with reaper:Zex vokar
    Mesmer level 80 no chrono yet:Klanga voosh.
    Level 80 Ranger with druid spec Jedkhan.

  • Sampson.2403Sampson.2403 Member ✭✭✭

    @Shao.7236 said:
    Just gonna post on behave of OP.

    Rev used to be alright when condi was dominant, the damage spikes actually made sense. Ever since conditions were nerfed, sword 4 just became a cheese fest and that's why I stopped playing power shiro altogether, it's too easy to play and really doesn't take much effort to achieve anything. The build pretty much carry itself.

    I had already suggested that they bring back the old sword 4 for the sake of balancing, or make it so that to hit very strong you need to block a certain amount of attacks because right now all you can do is drag your cheek across 4 5 after Phase Traversal and call it a day, if that's not enough, kite kite and repeat 4 5 until it's done.

    It has really come to the point where I stopped played my favorite profession just because of how stupidly easy it is to get kitten done with it.

    Rev used to be high skill with all the management, but nowadays people will deny and imply that it's still hard to play with whatever ways to think it's possible to counter them, they just don't understand how stupidly brain dead the burst is on the class and when you understand the profession, it becomes unstoppable in a way that isn't called skill play and attacking at the right time, it's straight up 4 5, 4 5, 4 5 because it follows up so well and you can't move out of it till immobilize is gone, even in plat people still melt to it.

    In a way this reminds me too much of how Power Lock used to be a stun, while possible to stunbreak fast enough and dodge or roll back with any stunbreak skill, it was still OP just for the fact that you couldnt do anything about it while now you just get dazed and if you don't react fast enough, you die just as fast.

    But don't you need to acquire 25 stacks of might before you use sword 4 and 5 to make it cheese?

  • Its good against people who don't know how to watch their opponent use skills. If you still attack a rev using infuse light then you have no room to complain. Not gonna lie they do have super strong burst and their cc for teamfights is amazing, but whenever you run into some other profession who knows what a rev does you start to realize that Rev isn't necessarily that stoverpowered, it just stomps on people who aren't necessarily that good at pvp and run simple op builds like scourge, fb, and mirage and function on using rotations instead of acting and reacting to their opponent. A good holo or thief is the absolute counter to rev, at least in my experience. Rev literally has just enough defensive tools to skate by, and if you know what those are you can exploit them to no end.

    Another note. People say Revs got all these skills and such but don't realize they need energy to be used. If you are using all you're skills you are constantly vulnerable and sitting below 10 energy and basically hoping your opponent doesnt attack before you get enough energy to use sword 3 or staff 3, or until your legend cd ends. People have no idea when the Revenant can't use skills due to energy and CD and that is precisely why they get wrecked. They see the strong burst and get scared as kitten, but don't realize they can't do much after the opening.

    I could be totally biased as Rev is usually thought of as a joke or as an op class, but never in between. And it barely ever reiceves any changes, its only changes to the meta that influence this opinion. No one uses invuln warriors anymore, there are less competant thieves since everyone runs sniper deadeye, and there are less competant mirages since everyone rerolled and uses its inherent strength as an excuse to not watch what the enemy Rev is doing.

    Learn you're enemy and build and fight accordingly. It's not a one strategy fits all game, people.

  • @ScottBroChill.3254 said:
    Its good against people who don't know how to watch their opponent use skills. If you still attack a rev using infuse light then you have no room to complain. Not gonna lie they do have super strong burst and their cc for teamfights is amazing, but whenever you run into some other profession who knows what a rev does you start to realize that Rev isn't necessarily that stoverpowered, it just stomps on people who aren't necessarily that good at pvp and run simple op builds like scourge, fb, and mirage and function on using rotations instead of acting and reacting to their opponent. A good holo or thief is the absolute counter to rev, at least in my experience. Rev literally has just enough defensive tools to skate by, and if you know what those are you can exploit them to no end.

    Another note. People say Revs got all these skills and such but don't realize they need energy to be used. If you are using all you're skills you are constantly vulnerable and sitting below 10 energy and basically hoping your opponent doesnt attack before you get enough energy to use sword 3 or staff 3, or until your legend cd ends. People have no idea when the Revenant can't use skills due to energy and CD and that is precisely why they get wrecked. They see the strong burst and get scared as kitten, but don't realize they can't do much after the opening.

    I could be totally biased as Rev is usually thought of as a joke or as an op class, but never in between. And it barely ever reiceves any changes, its only changes to the meta that influence this opinion. No one uses invuln warriors anymore, there are less competant thieves since everyone runs sniper deadeye, and there are less competant mirages since everyone rerolled and uses its inherent strength as an excuse to not watch what the enemy Rev is doing.

    Learn you're enemy and build and fight accordingly. It's not a one strategy fits all game, people.

    I subscribe to every your word!
    Specially agree with " function on using rotations instead of acting and reacting to their opponent." - this is main some build problem. People thinking "I am good", just pressing combo buttons and bursting enemy till end. And Revenant is one of the classes who punish for that play,because first of all - counterplay opponent

    In my opinion it is main difference between good and bad pvp player.
    If you in every situation press F1, then 3/5 and 4 dealing tons of damage in reaper shroud in 1 seconds and doesnt even carea about opponent animations/dodges and co - impossible to learn anything (just example).

  • incisorr.9502incisorr.9502 Member ✭✭✭

    @Shao.7236 said:
    Just gonna post on behave of OP.

    Rev used to be alright when condi was dominant, the damage spikes actually made sense. Ever since conditions were nerfed, sword 4 just became a cheese fest and that's why I stopped playing power shiro altogether, it's too easy to play and really doesn't take much effort to achieve anything. The build pretty much carry itself.

    I had already suggested that they bring back the old sword 4 for the sake of balancing, or make it so that to hit very strong you need to block a certain amount of attacks because right now all you can do is drag your cheek across 4 5 after Phase Traversal and call it a day, if that's not enough, kite kite and repeat 4 5 until it's done.

    It has really come to the point where I stopped played my favorite profession just because of how stupidly easy it is to get kitten done with it.

    Rev used to be high skill with all the management, but nowadays people will deny and imply that it's still hard to play with whatever ways to think it's possible to counter them, they just don't understand how stupidly brain dead the burst is on the class and when you understand the profession, it becomes unstoppable in a way that isn't called skill play and attacking at the right time, it's straight up 4 5, 4 5, 4 5 because it follows up so well and you can't move out of it till immobilize is gone, even in plat people still melt to it.

    In a way this reminds me too much of how Power Lock used to be a stun, while possible to stunbreak fast enough and dodge or roll back with any stunbreak skill, it was still OP just for the fact that you couldnt do anything about it while now you just get dazed and if you don't react fast enough, you die just as fast.

    feels like people in this forum are always arguing on their initial impressions

    mirage was op on release so that's how people still see it despite 3000 nerfs and even condi rework (they reduced the condi stacks things were giving and also duration, burns went down to 1 for example when torch used to have more burn stacks)

    revenant was bad in the past so that's how people see it despite all the buffs to it and despite the meta evolving

  • JayAction.9056JayAction.9056 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 28, 2018

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Shao.7236 said:
    Just gonna post on behave of OP.

    Rev used to be alright when condi was dominant, the damage spikes actually made sense. Ever since conditions were nerfed, sword 4 just became a cheese fest and that's why I stopped playing power shiro altogether, it's too easy to play and really doesn't take much effort to achieve anything. The build pretty much carry itself.

    I had already suggested that they bring back the old sword 4 for the sake of balancing, or make it so that to hit very strong you need to block a certain amount of attacks because right now all you can do is drag your cheek across 4 5 after Phase Traversal and call it a day, if that's not enough, kite kite and repeat 4 5 until it's done.

    It has really come to the point where I stopped played my favorite profession just because of how stupidly easy it is to get kitten done with it.

    Rev used to be high skill with all the management, but nowadays people will deny and imply that it's still hard to play with whatever ways to think it's possible to counter them, they just don't understand how stupidly brain dead the burst is on the class and when you understand the profession, it becomes unstoppable in a way that isn't called skill play and attacking at the right time, it's straight up 4 5, 4 5, 4 5 because it follows up so well and you can't move out of it till immobilize is gone, even in plat people still melt to it.

    In a way this reminds me too much of how Power Lock used to be a stun, while possible to stunbreak fast enough and dodge or roll back with any stunbreak skill, it was still OP just for the fact that you couldnt do anything about it while now you just get dazed and if you don't react fast enough, you die just as fast.

    feels like people in this forum are always arguing on their initial impressions

    mirage was op on release so that's how people still see it despite 3000 nerfs and even condi rework (they reduced the condi stacks things were giving and also duration, burns went down to 1 for example when torch used to have more burn stacks)

    revenant was bad in the past so that's how people see it despite all the buffs to it and despite the meta evolving

    Mirage is still OP.
    Rev is still weak and is nowhere near as strong as it was originally.
    There is no 1.9k rating rev. (Are you referring to EU? EU is trash with inflated ratings and outdated builds).

  • Lol eu is trash... I play on both and eu is much better than na

  • everyman.4375everyman.4375 Member ✭✭✭

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Shao.7236 said:
    Just gonna post on behave of OP.

    Rev used to be alright when condi was dominant, the damage spikes actually made sense. Ever since conditions were nerfed, sword 4 just became a cheese fest and that's why I stopped playing power shiro altogether, it's too easy to play and really doesn't take much effort to achieve anything. The build pretty much carry itself.

    I had already suggested that they bring back the old sword 4 for the sake of balancing, or make it so that to hit very strong you need to block a certain amount of attacks because right now all you can do is drag your cheek across 4 5 after Phase Traversal and call it a day, if that's not enough, kite kite and repeat 4 5 until it's done.

    It has really come to the point where I stopped played my favorite profession just because of how stupidly easy it is to get kitten done with it.

    Rev used to be high skill with all the management, but nowadays people will deny and imply that it's still hard to play with whatever ways to think it's possible to counter them, they just don't understand how stupidly brain dead the burst is on the class and when you understand the profession, it becomes unstoppable in a way that isn't called skill play and attacking at the right time, it's straight up 4 5, 4 5, 4 5 because it follows up so well and you can't move out of it till immobilize is gone, even in plat people still melt to it.

    In a way this reminds me too much of how Power Lock used to be a stun, while possible to stunbreak fast enough and dodge or roll back with any stunbreak skill, it was still OP just for the fact that you couldnt do anything about it while now you just get dazed and if you don't react fast enough, you die just as fast.

    feels like people in this forum are always arguing on their initial impressions

    mirage was op on release so that's how people still see it despite 3000 nerfs and even condi rework (they reduced the condi stacks things were giving and also duration, burns went down to 1 for example when torch used to have more burn stacks)

    revenant was bad in the past so that's how people see it despite all the buffs to it and despite the meta evolving

    Mirage is still OP.
    Rev is still weak and is nowhere near as strong as it was originally.
    There is no 1.9k rating rev. (Are you referring to EU? EU is trash with inflated ratings and outdated builds).

    Isn't EU better than NA ? At least it used to be idk about now.

  • NorthernRedStar.3054NorthernRedStar.3054 Member ✭✭
    edited November 29, 2018

    @Sampson.2403 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

    What exactly do they do so well to carry matches?

    I think that the +1/roamer role has the greatest team impact potential in sPvP matches. Power Rev currently excels in this role.

    This. Revenant's exceptional at +1'ing, since all of their skills, while hefty in cost, hit extremely hard. Much tougher to dodge all of it unlike in a 1v1.

    If people saw the little effort of checking out how most Revenants open up their comboes, they'd have much better chances of holding against them.

  • @everyman.4375 said:

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Shao.7236 said:
    Just gonna post on behave of OP.

    Rev used to be alright when condi was dominant, the damage spikes actually made sense. Ever since conditions were nerfed, sword 4 just became a cheese fest and that's why I stopped playing power shiro altogether, it's too easy to play and really doesn't take much effort to achieve anything. The build pretty much carry itself.

    I had already suggested that they bring back the old sword 4 for the sake of balancing, or make it so that to hit very strong you need to block a certain amount of attacks because right now all you can do is drag your cheek across 4 5 after Phase Traversal and call it a day, if that's not enough, kite kite and repeat 4 5 until it's done.

    It has really come to the point where I stopped played my favorite profession just because of how stupidly easy it is to get kitten done with it.

    Rev used to be high skill with all the management, but nowadays people will deny and imply that it's still hard to play with whatever ways to think it's possible to counter them, they just don't understand how stupidly brain dead the burst is on the class and when you understand the profession, it becomes unstoppable in a way that isn't called skill play and attacking at the right time, it's straight up 4 5, 4 5, 4 5 because it follows up so well and you can't move out of it till immobilize is gone, even in plat people still melt to it.

    In a way this reminds me too much of how Power Lock used to be a stun, while possible to stunbreak fast enough and dodge or roll back with any stunbreak skill, it was still OP just for the fact that you couldnt do anything about it while now you just get dazed and if you don't react fast enough, you die just as fast.

    feels like people in this forum are always arguing on their initial impressions

    mirage was op on release so that's how people still see it despite 3000 nerfs and even condi rework (they reduced the condi stacks things were giving and also duration, burns went down to 1 for example when torch used to have more burn stacks)

    revenant was bad in the past so that's how people see it despite all the buffs to it and despite the meta evolving

    Mirage is still OP.
    Rev is still weak and is nowhere near as strong as it was originally.
    There is no 1.9k rating rev. (Are you referring to EU? EU is trash with inflated ratings and outdated builds).

    Isn't EU better than NA ? At least it used to be idk about now.

    I'm curious as well. Which one's the general consensus? I seem to hear a few more votes for EU overall.

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

    like how there's a 1.9K+ rev and like how none of the people posting here are actually 1750+ who have ever seen a high elo revenant and what they're capable of

    just like my threads are mostly stating the obvious

    good revs are broken cus the class is too forceful and does too much dmg , too reliably and " easy " and " uncounterably " in comparison to other classes

    There are literally 20 players above 1700 Currently in NA

    That doesn't make his point wrong though. . . .

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 29, 2018

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

    like how there's a 1.9K+ rev and like how none of the people posting here are actually 1750+ who have ever seen a high elo revenant and what they're capable of

    just like my threads are mostly stating the obvious

    good revs are broken cus the class is too forceful and does too much dmg , too reliably and " easy " and " uncounterably " in comparison to other classes

    There are literally 20 players above 1700 Currently in NA

    That doesn't make his point wrong though. . . .

    If something doesn't exist, like players at a Rank of 1750
    and currently they do not, then it's not that his point is 'wrong' per se
    but it is fiction.

    Are there some in EU? 3 maybe? Is he saying that Revenant as a Class Dominates among 3 people?
    lol...that is such an absurd line of reasoning, I don't even know why I mentioned it.

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 29, 2018

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

    like how there's a 1.9K+ rev and like how none of the people posting here are actually 1750+ who have ever seen a high elo revenant and what they're capable of

    just like my threads are mostly stating the obvious

    good revs are broken cus the class is too forceful and does too much dmg , too reliably and " easy " and " uncounterably " in comparison to other classes

    There are literally 20 players above 1700 Currently in NA

    That doesn't make his point wrong though. . . .

    If something doesn't exist, like players at a Rank of 1750
    and currently they do not, then it's not that his point is 'wrong' per se
    but it is fiction.

    Are there some in EU? 3 maybe?

    I assume that if we are talking about absurdly high elo it would be EU-
    Do you know the current rankings of EU?

    Is he saying that Revenant as a Class Dominates among 3 people?
    lol...that is such an absurd line of reasoning, I don't even know why I mentioned it.

    People called mesmer dominating even when it was the least represented on the leader boards. Nothing is too absurd for people who want the game catered to them.

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 30, 2018

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

    like how there's a 1.9K+ rev and like how none of the people posting here are actually 1750+ who have ever seen a high elo revenant and what they're capable of

    just like my threads are mostly stating the obvious

    good revs are broken cus the class is too forceful and does too much dmg , too reliably and " easy " and " uncounterably " in comparison to other classes

    There are literally 20 players above 1700 Currently in NA

    That doesn't make his point wrong though. . . .

    If something doesn't exist, like players at a Rank of 1750
    and currently they do not, then it's not that his point is 'wrong' per se
    but it is fiction.

    Are there some in EU? 3 maybe?

    I assume that if we are talking about absurdly high elo it would be EU-
    Do you know the current rankings of EU?

    Is he saying that Revenant as a Class Dominates among 3 people?
    lol...that is such an absurd line of reasoning, I don't even know why I mentioned it.

    People called mesmer dominating even when it was the least represented on the leader boards. Nothing is too absurd for people who want the game catered to them.

    Absurdly High Elo? They might have some higher players than NA. And can we address that, the EU MYTH. It's not the Pantheon of PvP Gods.
    Anyways, the last time I looked at EU leaderboards, 1750s isn't even a group of 20 players.

    @incisorr.9502
    Next season, start playing Rev at a starter pvp rank, yanno, Bronze/Silver and tell us how far you get and how easy it is.

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

    like how there's a 1.9K+ rev and like how none of the people posting here are actually 1750+ who have ever seen a high elo revenant and what they're capable of

    just like my threads are mostly stating the obvious

    good revs are broken cus the class is too forceful and does too much dmg , too reliably and " easy " and " uncounterably " in comparison to other classes

    There are literally 20 players above 1700 Currently in NA

    That doesn't make his point wrong though. . . .

    If something doesn't exist, like players at a Rank of 1750
    and currently they do not, then it's not that his point is 'wrong' per se
    but it is fiction.

    Are there some in EU? 3 maybe?

    I assume that if we are talking about absurdly high elo it would be EU-
    Do you know the current rankings of EU?

    Is he saying that Revenant as a Class Dominates among 3 people?
    lol...that is such an absurd line of reasoning, I don't even know why I mentioned it.

    People called mesmer dominating even when it was the least represented on the leader boards. Nothing is too absurd for people who want the game catered to them.

    Absurdly High Elo? They might have some higher players than NA. And can we address that, the EU MYTH. It's not the Pantheon of PvP Gods.
    Anyways, the last time I looked at EU leaderboards, 1750s isn't even a group of 20 players.

    BUT they have people above 1750 yes?
    So we go back to the initial response I had.

    Yes, it's absurd that people take a sample size of 20 and claim balance issues.

    Just like it is absurd to take an underrepresented class and complain about it as well.

    Same as how people complain about highly telegraphed abilities.

    etc. etc.
    No one likes it, but this is what happens.
    I think I said this would happen at some point too.
    On with the crusades.

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

    like how there's a 1.9K+ rev and like how none of the people posting here are actually 1750+ who have ever seen a high elo revenant and what they're capable of

    just like my threads are mostly stating the obvious

    good revs are broken cus the class is too forceful and does too much dmg , too reliably and " easy " and " uncounterably " in comparison to other classes

    There are literally 20 players above 1700 Currently in NA

    That doesn't make his point wrong though. . . .

    If something doesn't exist, like players at a Rank of 1750
    and currently they do not, then it's not that his point is 'wrong' per se
    but it is fiction.

    Are there some in EU? 3 maybe?

    I assume that if we are talking about absurdly high elo it would be EU-
    Do you know the current rankings of EU?

    Is he saying that Revenant as a Class Dominates among 3 people?
    lol...that is such an absurd line of reasoning, I don't even know why I mentioned it.

    People called mesmer dominating even when it was the least represented on the leader boards. Nothing is too absurd for people who want the game catered to them.

    Absurdly High Elo? They might have some higher players than NA. And can we address that, the EU MYTH. It's not the Pantheon of PvP Gods.
    Anyways, the last time I looked at EU leaderboards, 1750s isn't even a group of 20 players.

    BUT they have people above 1750 yes?
    So we go back to the initial response I had.

    Yes, it's absurd that people take a sample size of 20 and claim balance issues.

    Just like it is absurd to take an underrepresented class and complain about it as well.

    Same as how people complain about highly telegraphed abilities.

    etc. etc.
    No one likes it, but this is what happens.
    I think I said this would happen at some point too.
    On with the crusades.

    ok, well then I agree. What he basically said was "none of you scrubs know what your talking about because none of you are in the 1750s, where Revs Dominate!"
    At the time I responded to him, there wasn't a group of 5, let alone 20 so how is one Rev dominating anyone at that level? And that was my point. They aren't.

    You can't dominate in a Rank of people that does not exist. At the time I wrote that it didn't. It is imaginary as his defense of his comments.

    Side point-anyone that thinks Rev is op should go give it a try and see how well they fair on a class that has no immune to dmg, no stability, no good heals, bad condi removal, no stealth and a tough time leaving fights.

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • incisorr.9502incisorr.9502 Member ✭✭✭

    my dream in life was for revenant/ thief / guardian to require some amount of skill when zerging your enemy

    too bad anet arent interested in this game requiring skill cause its supposed to be casual friendly and that's why you have classes with super cheap abilities and concepts like steal or judge's intervention or phase traversal/deathblow

    why are abilities without line of sight allowed to exist? why can they pre-cast skills on the most powerful teleports in the game ? like get real already

    on first sight gw2 looks like its bad cause its outdated
    if you look deeper gw2 looks like its pretty good cus its stood the test of time and still has people playing it and is fast paced and keeps up with other modern games

    and then when you reach the end of gw2 you realize that it's actually bad because you're extremely limited to what you can do as an individual (just like in most modern games) and to top that they added classes like revenant/thief/guardian just in case so they can shut you down even easier. Even if you could somehow potentially be a huge threat to the enemy team they made sure that won't be an issue with classes like revenant which are +1 classes from which you can't get away which have all the tools they need and there's absolutely no counterplay except getting to a no port spot and sitting afk and hoping your team wins the rest

    your team, not you

  • @ArthurDent.9538 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:
    my dream in life was for revenant/ thief / guardian to require some amount of skill when zerging your enemy

    too bad anet arent interested in this game requiring skill cause its supposed to be casual friendly and that's why you have classes with super cheap abilities and concepts like steal or judge's intervention or phase traversal/deathblow

    why are abilities without line of sight allowed to exist? why can they pre-cast skills on the most powerful teleports in the game ? like get real already

    on first sight gw2 looks like its bad cause its outdated
    if you look deeper gw2 looks like its pretty good cus its stood the test of time and still has people playing it and is fast paced and keeps up with other modern games

    and then when you reach the end of gw2 you realize that it's actually bad because you're extremely limited to what you can do as an individual (just like in most modern games) and to top that they added classes like revenant/thief/guardian just in case so they can shut you down even easier. Even if you could somehow potentially be a huge threat to the enemy team they made sure that won't be an issue with classes like revenant which are +1 classes from which you can't get away which have all the tools they need and there's absolutely no counterplay except getting to a no port spot and sitting afk and hoping your team wins the rest

    your team, not you

    "I die outnumbered because I tunnel vision my 1v1's, boohoo, no counterplay, Nerf so I can 1v2 easily with my super skillful Condi mes."

    oof the truth hurts

    good lord i am absolute trash at this video game

  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭✭

    When people debate about data they don’t have.

  • The problem with rev is that it looks weak to normal people but people who actually know how to play rev is a real threat. And it is taking the job of thieves. Rev is better than thief at almost everything. The cleave a rev can put on a down state is GOD tier. Its disengages is also GOD tier. Its good in tf ...its doable in 1v1 and its good in plus 1. I am just saying that is too many roles a rev is good at. Currently, The classes that needs nerf are :-
    1:Soulbeast (might generation and weakness application)
    2:Mirage(faceroll condi application)
    3:Rev(sword 4/5 nerf)
    4:Ele(buff dmg and nerf evades)
    5: Tether war (the reveal on its tether and pulls should be evadable)
    6:Holo(passive elixer should be of lesser duration than the active one)

  • phokus.8934phokus.8934 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Rev disengage god tier? Hah, good one. Everything else you said is a joke too.

  • Noha.3749Noha.3749 Member ✭✭✭

    @Xcution.4768 said:
    The problem with rev is that it looks weak to normal people but people who actually know how to play rev is a real threat. And it is taking the job of thieves. Rev is better than thief at almost everything. The cleave a rev can put on a down state is GOD tier. Its disengages is also GOD tier. Its good in tf ...its doable in 1v1 and its good in plus 1. I am just saying that is too many roles a rev is good at. Currently, The classes that needs nerf are :-
    1:Soulbeast (might generation and weakness application)
    2:Mirage(faceroll condi application)
    3:Rev(sword 4/5 nerf)
    4:Ele(buff dmg and nerf evades)
    5: Tether war (the reveal on its tether and pulls should be evadable)
    6:Holo(passive elixer should be of lesser duration than the active one)

    I think the opposite :p I think rev looks strong to "non-pro" players and decent to "top tier" players.
    Revenant does not compare to a thief in mobility, the engage is great but the disengage sucks compared to a thief. Also Revenants mobility costs way more than thieves.

    The only real strength to a revenant compared to a thief is that they do better burst and got more tools to deal with "teamfights", Also herald boonuptime & cleave does scale great in larger fights. For everything else i think thieves got the upper hand (mobility, prolonged duels, boonrip, harrassment & evasiveness)
    I do not think rev needs a swordnerf at all, all other suggestions seem legit though.

  • incisorr.9502incisorr.9502 Member ✭✭✭

    @ArthurDent.9538 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:
    my dream in life was for revenant/ thief / guardian to require some amount of skill when zerging your enemy

    too bad anet arent interested in this game requiring skill cause its supposed to be casual friendly and that's why you have classes with super cheap abilities and concepts like steal or judge's intervention or phase traversal/deathblow

    why are abilities without line of sight allowed to exist? why can they pre-cast skills on the most powerful teleports in the game ? like get real already

    on first sight gw2 looks like its bad cause its outdated
    if you look deeper gw2 looks like its pretty good cus its stood the test of time and still has people playing it and is fast paced and keeps up with other modern games

    and then when you reach the end of gw2 you realize that it's actually bad because you're extremely limited to what you can do as an individual (just like in most modern games) and to top that they added classes like revenant/thief/guardian just in case so they can shut you down even easier. Even if you could somehow potentially be a huge threat to the enemy team they made sure that won't be an issue with classes like revenant which are +1 classes from which you can't get away which have all the tools they need and there's absolutely no counterplay except getting to a no port spot and sitting afk and hoping your team wins the rest

    your team, not you

    "I die outnumbered because I tunnel vision my 1v1's, boohoo, no counterplay, Nerf so I can 1v2 easily with my super skillful Condi mes."

    it's one thing to be tunnel visioned and to die by a guy walking up to you, it's completely another thing for a guy to TELEPORT THROUGH A WALL WITH A PRE-CASTED ABILITY. It has nothing to do with tunnel vision. I understand that you wanted to mock me with your post but at least write sensible things while doing so. I've SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THEIR ENGAGE for this exact reason - that it punishes you regardless of how good you are.

    I didn't even complain about stealth, yes stealth is just as bad and a huge issue but at least you can hear different skills from stealthed people and they still need a line of sight and if you're positioned properly you can expect from what angle the enemy will approach you (if it does happen) and generally stealth engage is braindead but still requires more to pull off than Steal/Judge's intervention and mainly Revenant because revenant has 2 teleports on top of insane damage and lol at people saying revenant has bad disengage

    apparently having 100% stun breaker is bad disengage now? you have stun breaker with 10sec cd on legend swap and stun breaker with ((NO COOLDOWN)) and also an IFRAME on Shiro, how the hell is that "bad disengage" lmao. If you're good at rev you can chain block with multiple iframes with multiple dodge rolls and get a 15-20sec invulnerability period during which you can move (and if you're good you can use terrain to reduce incoming pressure and essentially disengage)
    rev has 2 iframes and a block on its weapons, in contrast even the "notorious" mesmer has a mere single iframe on axe (if they're running staff)

    thief's disengage is better than rev? good joke, thief has good disengage with sword but their stun breakers are much worse and they're also much squishier

  • Dharma.9123Dharma.9123 Member ✭✭
    edited December 5, 2018

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @ArthurDent.9538 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:
    my dream in life was for revenant/ thief / guardian to require some amount of skill when zerging your enemy

    too bad anet arent interested in this game requiring skill cause its supposed to be casual friendly and that's why you have classes with super cheap abilities and concepts like steal or judge's intervention or phase traversal/deathblow

    why are abilities without line of sight allowed to exist? why can they pre-cast skills on the most powerful teleports in the game ? like get real already

    on first sight gw2 looks like its bad cause its outdated
    if you look deeper gw2 looks like its pretty good cus its stood the test of time and still has people playing it and is fast paced and keeps up with other modern games

    and then when you reach the end of gw2 you realize that it's actually bad because you're extremely limited to what you can do as an individual (just like in most modern games) and to top that they added classes like revenant/thief/guardian just in case so they can shut you down even easier. Even if you could somehow potentially be a huge threat to the enemy team they made sure that won't be an issue with classes like revenant which are +1 classes from which you can't get away which have all the tools they need and there's absolutely no counterplay except getting to a no port spot and sitting afk and hoping your team wins the rest

    your team, not you

    "I die outnumbered because I tunnel vision my 1v1's, boohoo, no counterplay, Nerf so I can 1v2 easily with my super skillful Condi mes."

    it's one thing to be tunnel visioned and to die by a guy walking up to you, it's completely another thing for a guy to TELEPORT THROUGH A WALL WITH A PRE-CASTED ABILITY. It has nothing to do with tunnel vision. I understand that you wanted to mock me with your post but at least write sensible things while doing so. I've SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THEIR ENGAGE for this exact reason - that it punishes you regardless of how good you are.

    I didn't even complain about stealth, yes stealth is just as bad and a huge issue but at least you can hear different skills from stealthed people and they still need a line of sight and if you're positioned properly you can expect from what angle the enemy will approach you (if it does happen) and generally stealth engage is braindead but still requires more to pull off than Steal/Judge's intervention and mainly Revenant because revenant has 2 teleports on top of insane damage and lol at people saying revenant has bad disengage

    apparently having 100% stun breaker is bad disengage now? you have stun breaker with 10sec cd on legend swap and stun breaker with ((NO COOLDOWN)) and also an IFRAME on Shiro, how the hell is that "bad disengage" lmao. If you're good at rev you can chain block with multiple iframes with multiple dodge rolls and get a 15-20sec invulnerability period during which you can move (and if you're good you can use terrain to reduce incoming pressure and essentially disengage)
    rev has 2 iframes and a block on its weapons, in contrast even the "notorious" mesmer has a mere single iframe on axe (if they're running staff)

    thief's disengage is better than rev? good joke, thief has good disengage with sword but their stun breakers are much worse and they're also much squishier

    Stunbreak isnt disengage bro. Ofc revenant is hard to lock, but he dont have any skill, what allow to exit fight fast enough. For example thief can shadowstep from stun and already will have good enough range to exit fight, mesmer have teleport/portal and so on. But revenant can just run away with superspeed, what isnt enough to get away from chase in current meta

    Only one way how to disengage - found enemy far away and use phase travelsal port. But enemy can also break it (not insta cast)

  • rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2018

    @rowdy.5107 said:
    rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

    Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.
    Tell me, what exactly is that "everything" which thieves can do better?

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • JayAction.9056JayAction.9056 Member ✭✭✭

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @rowdy.5107 said:
    rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

    Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.
    Tell me, what exactly is that "everything" which thieves can do better?

    Thief has;

    Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

    High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

    People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

  • idolin.2831idolin.2831 Member ✭✭✭

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @rowdy.5107 said:
    rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

    Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.
    Tell me, what exactly is that "everything" which thieves can do better?

    Thief has;

    Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

    High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

    People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

    Hmm hold up - how can Rev has lowest burst/damage? DPS-wise perhaps rev's not the best, but that's generally not rev's role. I believe Rev has one of the best burst damage in PvP, complimented by great engaging skills (OH sword for damage, Phase and Staff 5 for engaging). The thing is Rev's gotta land its OH sword skills to deal damage (by baiting dodges, CC, using quickness, etc.) - although to be fair Thief's gotta be careful in landing his steal too.

    DBL is irrelevant here, this is a PvP thread - although you're right in that thief has better out of combat mobility than rev, thus making it better in decapping and disengaging. A rev is only better at disengaging if he makes the decision to pull out early enough - otherwise he'd have burnt some disengaging skills for sustain (staff 3 & 5) and energy (even worse if legend swap is on CD, you're on Shiro with no energy).

    And I do play Rev as my main - I'm not very good but good enough to know what Rev has.

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