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  • @everyman.4375 said:

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Shao.7236 said:
    Just gonna post on behave of OP.

    Rev used to be alright when condi was dominant, the damage spikes actually made sense. Ever since conditions were nerfed, sword 4 just became a cheese fest and that's why I stopped playing power shiro altogether, it's too easy to play and really doesn't take much effort to achieve anything. The build pretty much carry itself.

    I had already suggested that they bring back the old sword 4 for the sake of balancing, or make it so that to hit very strong you need to block a certain amount of attacks because right now all you can do is drag your cheek across 4 5 after Phase Traversal and call it a day, if that's not enough, kite kite and repeat 4 5 until it's done.

    It has really come to the point where I stopped played my favorite profession just because of how stupidly easy it is to get kitten done with it.

    Rev used to be high skill with all the management, but nowadays people will deny and imply that it's still hard to play with whatever ways to think it's possible to counter them, they just don't understand how stupidly brain dead the burst is on the class and when you understand the profession, it becomes unstoppable in a way that isn't called skill play and attacking at the right time, it's straight up 4 5, 4 5, 4 5 because it follows up so well and you can't move out of it till immobilize is gone, even in plat people still melt to it.

    In a way this reminds me too much of how Power Lock used to be a stun, while possible to stunbreak fast enough and dodge or roll back with any stunbreak skill, it was still OP just for the fact that you couldnt do anything about it while now you just get dazed and if you don't react fast enough, you die just as fast.

    feels like people in this forum are always arguing on their initial impressions

    mirage was op on release so that's how people still see it despite 3000 nerfs and even condi rework (they reduced the condi stacks things were giving and also duration, burns went down to 1 for example when torch used to have more burn stacks)

    revenant was bad in the past so that's how people see it despite all the buffs to it and despite the meta evolving

    Mirage is still OP.
    Rev is still weak and is nowhere near as strong as it was originally.
    There is no 1.9k rating rev. (Are you referring to EU? EU is trash with inflated ratings and outdated builds).

    Isn't EU better than NA ? At least it used to be idk about now.

    I'm curious as well. Which one's the general consensus? I seem to hear a few more votes for EU overall.

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

    like how there's a 1.9K+ rev and like how none of the people posting here are actually 1750+ who have ever seen a high elo revenant and what they're capable of

    just like my threads are mostly stating the obvious

    good revs are broken cus the class is too forceful and does too much dmg , too reliably and " easy " and " uncounterably " in comparison to other classes

    There are literally 20 players above 1700 Currently in NA

    That doesn't make his point wrong though. . . .

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 29, 2018

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

    like how there's a 1.9K+ rev and like how none of the people posting here are actually 1750+ who have ever seen a high elo revenant and what they're capable of

    just like my threads are mostly stating the obvious

    good revs are broken cus the class is too forceful and does too much dmg , too reliably and " easy " and " uncounterably " in comparison to other classes

    There are literally 20 players above 1700 Currently in NA

    That doesn't make his point wrong though. . . .

    If something doesn't exist, like players at a Rank of 1750
    and currently they do not, then it's not that his point is 'wrong' per se
    but it is fiction.

    Are there some in EU? 3 maybe? Is he saying that Revenant as a Class Dominates among 3 people?
    lol...that is such an absurd line of reasoning, I don't even know why I mentioned it.

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 29, 2018

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

    like how there's a 1.9K+ rev and like how none of the people posting here are actually 1750+ who have ever seen a high elo revenant and what they're capable of

    just like my threads are mostly stating the obvious

    good revs are broken cus the class is too forceful and does too much dmg , too reliably and " easy " and " uncounterably " in comparison to other classes

    There are literally 20 players above 1700 Currently in NA

    That doesn't make his point wrong though. . . .

    If something doesn't exist, like players at a Rank of 1750
    and currently they do not, then it's not that his point is 'wrong' per se
    but it is fiction.

    Are there some in EU? 3 maybe?

    I assume that if we are talking about absurdly high elo it would be EU-
    Do you know the current rankings of EU?

    Is he saying that Revenant as a Class Dominates among 3 people?
    lol...that is such an absurd line of reasoning, I don't even know why I mentioned it.

    People called mesmer dominating even when it was the least represented on the leader boards. Nothing is too absurd for people who want the game catered to them.

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 30, 2018

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

    like how there's a 1.9K+ rev and like how none of the people posting here are actually 1750+ who have ever seen a high elo revenant and what they're capable of

    just like my threads are mostly stating the obvious

    good revs are broken cus the class is too forceful and does too much dmg , too reliably and " easy " and " uncounterably " in comparison to other classes

    There are literally 20 players above 1700 Currently in NA

    That doesn't make his point wrong though. . . .

    If something doesn't exist, like players at a Rank of 1750
    and currently they do not, then it's not that his point is 'wrong' per se
    but it is fiction.

    Are there some in EU? 3 maybe?

    I assume that if we are talking about absurdly high elo it would be EU-
    Do you know the current rankings of EU?

    Is he saying that Revenant as a Class Dominates among 3 people?
    lol...that is such an absurd line of reasoning, I don't even know why I mentioned it.

    People called mesmer dominating even when it was the least represented on the leader boards. Nothing is too absurd for people who want the game catered to them.

    Absurdly High Elo? They might have some higher players than NA. And can we address that, the EU MYTH. It's not the Pantheon of PvP Gods.
    Anyways, the last time I looked at EU leaderboards, 1750s isn't even a group of 20 players.

    @incisorr.9502
    Next season, start playing Rev at a starter pvp rank, yanno, Bronze/Silver and tell us how far you get and how easy it is.

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

    like how there's a 1.9K+ rev and like how none of the people posting here are actually 1750+ who have ever seen a high elo revenant and what they're capable of

    just like my threads are mostly stating the obvious

    good revs are broken cus the class is too forceful and does too much dmg , too reliably and " easy " and " uncounterably " in comparison to other classes

    There are literally 20 players above 1700 Currently in NA

    That doesn't make his point wrong though. . . .

    If something doesn't exist, like players at a Rank of 1750
    and currently they do not, then it's not that his point is 'wrong' per se
    but it is fiction.

    Are there some in EU? 3 maybe?

    I assume that if we are talking about absurdly high elo it would be EU-
    Do you know the current rankings of EU?

    Is he saying that Revenant as a Class Dominates among 3 people?
    lol...that is such an absurd line of reasoning, I don't even know why I mentioned it.

    People called mesmer dominating even when it was the least represented on the leader boards. Nothing is too absurd for people who want the game catered to them.

    Absurdly High Elo? They might have some higher players than NA. And can we address that, the EU MYTH. It's not the Pantheon of PvP Gods.
    Anyways, the last time I looked at EU leaderboards, 1750s isn't even a group of 20 players.

    BUT they have people above 1750 yes?
    So we go back to the initial response I had.

    Yes, it's absurd that people take a sample size of 20 and claim balance issues.

    Just like it is absurd to take an underrepresented class and complain about it as well.

    Same as how people complain about highly telegraphed abilities.

    etc. etc.
    No one likes it, but this is what happens.
    I think I said this would happen at some point too.
    On with the crusades.

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Good revenant players seem to carry matches more so than good players on other classes.

    Not saying that make them OP, just an observation.

    like how there's a 1.9K+ rev and like how none of the people posting here are actually 1750+ who have ever seen a high elo revenant and what they're capable of

    just like my threads are mostly stating the obvious

    good revs are broken cus the class is too forceful and does too much dmg , too reliably and " easy " and " uncounterably " in comparison to other classes

    There are literally 20 players above 1700 Currently in NA

    That doesn't make his point wrong though. . . .

    If something doesn't exist, like players at a Rank of 1750
    and currently they do not, then it's not that his point is 'wrong' per se
    but it is fiction.

    Are there some in EU? 3 maybe?

    I assume that if we are talking about absurdly high elo it would be EU-
    Do you know the current rankings of EU?

    Is he saying that Revenant as a Class Dominates among 3 people?
    lol...that is such an absurd line of reasoning, I don't even know why I mentioned it.

    People called mesmer dominating even when it was the least represented on the leader boards. Nothing is too absurd for people who want the game catered to them.

    Absurdly High Elo? They might have some higher players than NA. And can we address that, the EU MYTH. It's not the Pantheon of PvP Gods.
    Anyways, the last time I looked at EU leaderboards, 1750s isn't even a group of 20 players.

    BUT they have people above 1750 yes?
    So we go back to the initial response I had.

    Yes, it's absurd that people take a sample size of 20 and claim balance issues.

    Just like it is absurd to take an underrepresented class and complain about it as well.

    Same as how people complain about highly telegraphed abilities.

    etc. etc.
    No one likes it, but this is what happens.
    I think I said this would happen at some point too.
    On with the crusades.

    ok, well then I agree. What he basically said was "none of you scrubs know what your talking about because none of you are in the 1750s, where Revs Dominate!"
    At the time I responded to him, there wasn't a group of 5, let alone 20 so how is one Rev dominating anyone at that level? And that was my point. They aren't.

    You can't dominate in a Rank of people that does not exist. At the time I wrote that it didn't. It is imaginary as his defense of his comments.

    Side point-anyone that thinks Rev is op should go give it a try and see how well they fair on a class that has no immune to dmg, no stability, no good heals, bad condi removal, no stealth and a tough time leaving fights.

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • incisorr.9502incisorr.9502 Member ✭✭✭

    my dream in life was for revenant/ thief / guardian to require some amount of skill when zerging your enemy

    too bad anet arent interested in this game requiring skill cause its supposed to be casual friendly and that's why you have classes with super cheap abilities and concepts like steal or judge's intervention or phase traversal/deathblow

    why are abilities without line of sight allowed to exist? why can they pre-cast skills on the most powerful teleports in the game ? like get real already

    on first sight gw2 looks like its bad cause its outdated
    if you look deeper gw2 looks like its pretty good cus its stood the test of time and still has people playing it and is fast paced and keeps up with other modern games

    and then when you reach the end of gw2 you realize that it's actually bad because you're extremely limited to what you can do as an individual (just like in most modern games) and to top that they added classes like revenant/thief/guardian just in case so they can shut you down even easier. Even if you could somehow potentially be a huge threat to the enemy team they made sure that won't be an issue with classes like revenant which are +1 classes from which you can't get away which have all the tools they need and there's absolutely no counterplay except getting to a no port spot and sitting afk and hoping your team wins the rest

    your team, not you

  • @ArthurDent.9538 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:
    my dream in life was for revenant/ thief / guardian to require some amount of skill when zerging your enemy

    too bad anet arent interested in this game requiring skill cause its supposed to be casual friendly and that's why you have classes with super cheap abilities and concepts like steal or judge's intervention or phase traversal/deathblow

    why are abilities without line of sight allowed to exist? why can they pre-cast skills on the most powerful teleports in the game ? like get real already

    on first sight gw2 looks like its bad cause its outdated
    if you look deeper gw2 looks like its pretty good cus its stood the test of time and still has people playing it and is fast paced and keeps up with other modern games

    and then when you reach the end of gw2 you realize that it's actually bad because you're extremely limited to what you can do as an individual (just like in most modern games) and to top that they added classes like revenant/thief/guardian just in case so they can shut you down even easier. Even if you could somehow potentially be a huge threat to the enemy team they made sure that won't be an issue with classes like revenant which are +1 classes from which you can't get away which have all the tools they need and there's absolutely no counterplay except getting to a no port spot and sitting afk and hoping your team wins the rest

    your team, not you

    "I die outnumbered because I tunnel vision my 1v1's, boohoo, no counterplay, Nerf so I can 1v2 easily with my super skillful Condi mes."

    oof the truth hurts

    the worst player you've ever met
    UD- rank 9k+
    35 legendary weapons

  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭

    When people debate about data they don’t have.

  • The problem with rev is that it looks weak to normal people but people who actually know how to play rev is a real threat. And it is taking the job of thieves. Rev is better than thief at almost everything. The cleave a rev can put on a down state is GOD tier. Its disengages is also GOD tier. Its good in tf ...its doable in 1v1 and its good in plus 1. I am just saying that is too many roles a rev is good at. Currently, The classes that needs nerf are :-
    1:Soulbeast (might generation and weakness application)
    2:Mirage(faceroll condi application)
    3:Rev(sword 4/5 nerf)
    4:Ele(buff dmg and nerf evades)
    5: Tether war (the reveal on its tether and pulls should be evadable)
    6:Holo(passive elixer should be of lesser duration than the active one)

  • phokus.8934phokus.8934 Member ✭✭✭

    Rev disengage god tier? Hah, good one. Everything else you said is a joke too.

  • Noha.3749Noha.3749 Member ✭✭✭

    @Xcution.4768 said:
    The problem with rev is that it looks weak to normal people but people who actually know how to play rev is a real threat. And it is taking the job of thieves. Rev is better than thief at almost everything. The cleave a rev can put on a down state is GOD tier. Its disengages is also GOD tier. Its good in tf ...its doable in 1v1 and its good in plus 1. I am just saying that is too many roles a rev is good at. Currently, The classes that needs nerf are :-
    1:Soulbeast (might generation and weakness application)
    2:Mirage(faceroll condi application)
    3:Rev(sword 4/5 nerf)
    4:Ele(buff dmg and nerf evades)
    5: Tether war (the reveal on its tether and pulls should be evadable)
    6:Holo(passive elixer should be of lesser duration than the active one)

    I think the opposite :p I think rev looks strong to "non-pro" players and decent to "top tier" players.
    Revenant does not compare to a thief in mobility, the engage is great but the disengage sucks compared to a thief. Also Revenants mobility costs way more than thieves.

    The only real strength to a revenant compared to a thief is that they do better burst and got more tools to deal with "teamfights", Also herald boonuptime & cleave does scale great in larger fights. For everything else i think thieves got the upper hand (mobility, prolonged duels, boonrip, harrassment & evasiveness)
    I do not think rev needs a swordnerf at all, all other suggestions seem legit though.

  • incisorr.9502incisorr.9502 Member ✭✭✭

    @ArthurDent.9538 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:
    my dream in life was for revenant/ thief / guardian to require some amount of skill when zerging your enemy

    too bad anet arent interested in this game requiring skill cause its supposed to be casual friendly and that's why you have classes with super cheap abilities and concepts like steal or judge's intervention or phase traversal/deathblow

    why are abilities without line of sight allowed to exist? why can they pre-cast skills on the most powerful teleports in the game ? like get real already

    on first sight gw2 looks like its bad cause its outdated
    if you look deeper gw2 looks like its pretty good cus its stood the test of time and still has people playing it and is fast paced and keeps up with other modern games

    and then when you reach the end of gw2 you realize that it's actually bad because you're extremely limited to what you can do as an individual (just like in most modern games) and to top that they added classes like revenant/thief/guardian just in case so they can shut you down even easier. Even if you could somehow potentially be a huge threat to the enemy team they made sure that won't be an issue with classes like revenant which are +1 classes from which you can't get away which have all the tools they need and there's absolutely no counterplay except getting to a no port spot and sitting afk and hoping your team wins the rest

    your team, not you

    "I die outnumbered because I tunnel vision my 1v1's, boohoo, no counterplay, Nerf so I can 1v2 easily with my super skillful Condi mes."

    it's one thing to be tunnel visioned and to die by a guy walking up to you, it's completely another thing for a guy to TELEPORT THROUGH A WALL WITH A PRE-CASTED ABILITY. It has nothing to do with tunnel vision. I understand that you wanted to mock me with your post but at least write sensible things while doing so. I've SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THEIR ENGAGE for this exact reason - that it punishes you regardless of how good you are.

    I didn't even complain about stealth, yes stealth is just as bad and a huge issue but at least you can hear different skills from stealthed people and they still need a line of sight and if you're positioned properly you can expect from what angle the enemy will approach you (if it does happen) and generally stealth engage is braindead but still requires more to pull off than Steal/Judge's intervention and mainly Revenant because revenant has 2 teleports on top of insane damage and lol at people saying revenant has bad disengage

    apparently having 100% stun breaker is bad disengage now? you have stun breaker with 10sec cd on legend swap and stun breaker with ((NO COOLDOWN)) and also an IFRAME on Shiro, how the hell is that "bad disengage" lmao. If you're good at rev you can chain block with multiple iframes with multiple dodge rolls and get a 15-20sec invulnerability period during which you can move (and if you're good you can use terrain to reduce incoming pressure and essentially disengage)
    rev has 2 iframes and a block on its weapons, in contrast even the "notorious" mesmer has a mere single iframe on axe (if they're running staff)

    thief's disengage is better than rev? good joke, thief has good disengage with sword but their stun breakers are much worse and they're also much squishier

  • Dharma.9123Dharma.9123 Member ✭✭
    edited December 5, 2018

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @ArthurDent.9538 said:

    @incisorr.9502 said:
    my dream in life was for revenant/ thief / guardian to require some amount of skill when zerging your enemy

    too bad anet arent interested in this game requiring skill cause its supposed to be casual friendly and that's why you have classes with super cheap abilities and concepts like steal or judge's intervention or phase traversal/deathblow

    why are abilities without line of sight allowed to exist? why can they pre-cast skills on the most powerful teleports in the game ? like get real already

    on first sight gw2 looks like its bad cause its outdated
    if you look deeper gw2 looks like its pretty good cus its stood the test of time and still has people playing it and is fast paced and keeps up with other modern games

    and then when you reach the end of gw2 you realize that it's actually bad because you're extremely limited to what you can do as an individual (just like in most modern games) and to top that they added classes like revenant/thief/guardian just in case so they can shut you down even easier. Even if you could somehow potentially be a huge threat to the enemy team they made sure that won't be an issue with classes like revenant which are +1 classes from which you can't get away which have all the tools they need and there's absolutely no counterplay except getting to a no port spot and sitting afk and hoping your team wins the rest

    your team, not you

    "I die outnumbered because I tunnel vision my 1v1's, boohoo, no counterplay, Nerf so I can 1v2 easily with my super skillful Condi mes."

    it's one thing to be tunnel visioned and to die by a guy walking up to you, it's completely another thing for a guy to TELEPORT THROUGH A WALL WITH A PRE-CASTED ABILITY. It has nothing to do with tunnel vision. I understand that you wanted to mock me with your post but at least write sensible things while doing so. I've SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THEIR ENGAGE for this exact reason - that it punishes you regardless of how good you are.

    I didn't even complain about stealth, yes stealth is just as bad and a huge issue but at least you can hear different skills from stealthed people and they still need a line of sight and if you're positioned properly you can expect from what angle the enemy will approach you (if it does happen) and generally stealth engage is braindead but still requires more to pull off than Steal/Judge's intervention and mainly Revenant because revenant has 2 teleports on top of insane damage and lol at people saying revenant has bad disengage

    apparently having 100% stun breaker is bad disengage now? you have stun breaker with 10sec cd on legend swap and stun breaker with ((NO COOLDOWN)) and also an IFRAME on Shiro, how the hell is that "bad disengage" lmao. If you're good at rev you can chain block with multiple iframes with multiple dodge rolls and get a 15-20sec invulnerability period during which you can move (and if you're good you can use terrain to reduce incoming pressure and essentially disengage)
    rev has 2 iframes and a block on its weapons, in contrast even the "notorious" mesmer has a mere single iframe on axe (if they're running staff)

    thief's disengage is better than rev? good joke, thief has good disengage with sword but their stun breakers are much worse and they're also much squishier

    Stunbreak isnt disengage bro. Ofc revenant is hard to lock, but he dont have any skill, what allow to exit fight fast enough. For example thief can shadowstep from stun and already will have good enough range to exit fight, mesmer have teleport/portal and so on. But revenant can just run away with superspeed, what isnt enough to get away from chase in current meta

    Only one way how to disengage - found enemy far away and use phase travelsal port. But enemy can also break it (not insta cast)

  • rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2018

    @rowdy.5107 said:
    rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

    Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.
    Tell me, what exactly is that "everything" which thieves can do better?

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • JayAction.9056JayAction.9056 Member ✭✭✭

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @rowdy.5107 said:
    rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

    Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.
    Tell me, what exactly is that "everything" which thieves can do better?

    Thief has;

    Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

    High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

    People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

  • idolin.2831idolin.2831 Member ✭✭✭

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @rowdy.5107 said:
    rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

    Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.
    Tell me, what exactly is that "everything" which thieves can do better?

    Thief has;

    Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

    High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

    People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

    Hmm hold up - how can Rev has lowest burst/damage? DPS-wise perhaps rev's not the best, but that's generally not rev's role. I believe Rev has one of the best burst damage in PvP, complimented by great engaging skills (OH sword for damage, Phase and Staff 5 for engaging). The thing is Rev's gotta land its OH sword skills to deal damage (by baiting dodges, CC, using quickness, etc.) - although to be fair Thief's gotta be careful in landing his steal too.

    DBL is irrelevant here, this is a PvP thread - although you're right in that thief has better out of combat mobility than rev, thus making it better in decapping and disengaging. A rev is only better at disengaging if he makes the decision to pull out early enough - otherwise he'd have burnt some disengaging skills for sustain (staff 3 & 5) and energy (even worse if legend swap is on CD, you're on Shiro with no energy).

    And I do play Rev as my main - I'm not very good but good enough to know what Rev has.

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2018

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @rowdy.5107 said:
    rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

    Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.
    Tell me, what exactly is that "everything" which thieves can do better?

    Thief has;

    Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

    High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

    People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

    Lowest power dmg, lowest burst....

    I am sorry, but I am not even gonna argument against this as this is utterly and objectively not true and very widely known fact at that.

    The point of my sarcastic post was that Rev has by miles higher dmg than thief, by miles higher sustain, same engage potential and only worse disengage.
    You could not, even as a joke, say that Rev has lowest burst dmg, or dmg overall.

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • JayAction.9056JayAction.9056 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2018

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @rowdy.5107 said:
    rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

    Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.
    Tell me, what exactly is that "everything" which thieves can do better?

    Thief has;

    Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

    High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

    People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

    Lowest power dmg, lowest burst....

    I am sorry, but I am not even gonna argument against this as this is utterly and objectively not true and very widely known fact at that.

    The point of my sarcastic post was that Rev has by miles higher dmg than thief, by miles higher sustain, same engage potential and only worse disengage.
    You could not, even as a joke, say that Rev has lowest burst dmg, or dmg overall.

    Do you know what dead eye is? Do you know what staff DD is? Core thief?

    Every class has the capabilities to do higher burst than Rev in a pvp viable build. In all game modes Rev burst is the lowest. Even more so in PvP however. I’m guessing you got dumpstered by somebody playing rev?

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2018

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @rowdy.5107 said:
    rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

    Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.
    Tell me, what exactly is that "everything" which thieves can do better?

    Thief has;

    Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

    High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

    People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

    Lowest power dmg, lowest burst....

    I am sorry, but I am not even gonna argument against this as this is utterly and objectively not true and very widely known fact at that.

    The point of my sarcastic post was that Rev has by miles higher dmg than thief, by miles higher sustain, same engage potential and only worse disengage.
    You could not, even as a joke, say that Rev has lowest burst dmg, or dmg overall.

    Do you know what dead eye is? Do you know what staff DD is? Core thief?

    Every class has the capabilities to do higher burst than Rev in a pvp viable build. In all game modes Rev burst is the lowest. Even more so in PvP however. I’m guessing you got dumpstered by somebody playing rev?

    S/D 3 button combo + almost half of Ini pool = 6763.
    D/P 4 button combo + more than half Ini pool = 7853 if you get behind, 3890 if front.

    Rev, 1 button = 9789

    All critics. Medium target. Match tested.

    Staff Thief.... lol... not gonna react to that.

    Was not talking about DE at all, would have said so if I did.

    I main Rev, oh clever one.
    I know of only one other Rev that can and will effectively beat me every single time. Second one I dont know the name off but remember getting shreked.
    You using such a weak argument such as "dumpstered by somebody playing Rev" only shows your bias toward something you like, proving you don't argue here from an objective point of view.

    Once again, I can't for the love of god, believe my eyes that somebody is actually claiming Rev burst is the lowest. Only biased Rev main could possibly release such a statement in to the world.

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • idolin.2831idolin.2831 Member ✭✭✭

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @rowdy.5107 said:
    rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

    Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.
    Tell me, what exactly is that "everything" which thieves can do better?

    Thief has;

    Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

    High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

    People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

    Lowest power dmg, lowest burst....

    I am sorry, but I am not even gonna argument against this as this is utterly and objectively not true and very widely known fact at that.

    The point of my sarcastic post was that Rev has by miles higher dmg than thief, by miles higher sustain, same engage potential and only worse disengage.
    You could not, even as a joke, say that Rev has lowest burst dmg, or dmg overall.

    Do you know what dead eye is? Do you know what staff DD is? Core thief?

    Every class has the capabilities to do higher burst than Rev in a pvp viable build. In all game modes Rev burst is the lowest. Even more so in PvP however. I’m guessing you got dumpstered by somebody playing rev?

    Ask the best Revs right now and I bet a majority of them will agree OH sword is very strong right now (some might even say broken). I've heard Rev streamers say that, and almost everyone on this forum (except for you) says that. Rev might be weak at a few things but burst damage is definitely NOT one of them.

  • JayAction.9056JayAction.9056 Member ✭✭✭

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @rowdy.5107 said:
    rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

    Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.
    Tell me, what exactly is that "everything" which thieves can do better?

    Thief has;

    Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

    High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

    People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

    Lowest power dmg, lowest burst....

    I am sorry, but I am not even gonna argument against this as this is utterly and objectively not true and very widely known fact at that.

    The point of my sarcastic post was that Rev has by miles higher dmg than thief, by miles higher sustain, same engage potential and only worse disengage.
    You could not, even as a joke, say that Rev has lowest burst dmg, or dmg overall.

    Do you know what dead eye is? Do you know what staff DD is? Core thief?

    Every class has the capabilities to do higher burst than Rev in a pvp viable build. In all game modes Rev burst is the lowest. Even more so in PvP however. I’m guessing you got dumpstered by somebody playing rev?

    S/D 3 button combo + almost half of Ini pool = 6763.
    D/P 4 button combo + more than half Ini pool = 7853 if you get behind, 3890 if front.

    Rev, 1 button = 9789

    All critics. Medium target. Match tested.

    Staff Thief.... lol... not gonna react to that.

    Was not talking about DE at all, would have said so if I did.

    I main Rev, oh clever one.
    I know of only one other Rev that can and will effectively beat me every single time. Second one I dont know the name off but remember getting shreked.
    You using such a weak argument such as "dumpstered by somebody playing Rev" only shows your bias toward something you like, proving you don't argue here from an objective point of view.

    Once again, I can't for the love of god, believe my eyes that somebody is actually claiming Rev burst is the lowest. Only biased Rev main could possibly release such a statement in to the world.

    9789 from1 “button” on rev. What’s this button bro? You did that much damage, I’ll assume berserker so this is almost possible. I’ll assume 25 might stacks to..

    You did this vs medium armor dummy? Screens or it didn’t happen lol.

  • JayAction.9056JayAction.9056 Member ✭✭✭

    @idolin.2831 said:

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @rowdy.5107 said:
    rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

    Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.
    Tell me, what exactly is that "everything" which thieves can do better?

    Thief has;

    Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

    High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

    People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

    Lowest power dmg, lowest burst....

    I am sorry, but I am not even gonna argument against this as this is utterly and objectively not true and very widely known fact at that.

    The point of my sarcastic post was that Rev has by miles higher dmg than thief, by miles higher sustain, same engage potential and only worse disengage.
    You could not, even as a joke, say that Rev has lowest burst dmg, or dmg overall.

    Do you know what dead eye is? Do you know what staff DD is? Core thief?

    Every class has the capabilities to do higher burst than Rev in a pvp viable build. In all game modes Rev burst is the lowest. Even more so in PvP however. I’m guessing you got dumpstered by somebody playing rev?

    Ask the best Revs right now and I bet a majority of them will agree OH sword is very strong right now (some might even say broken). I've heard Rev streamers say that, and almost everyone on this forum (except for you) says that. Rev might be weak at a few things but burst damage is definitely NOT one of them.

    I farm every rev NA

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2018

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @JayAction.9056 said:
    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @rowdy.5107 said:
    rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

    Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.
    Tell me, what exactly is that "everything" which thieves can do better?

    Thief has;

    Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

    High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

    People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

    Lowest power dmg, lowest burst....

    I am sorry, but I am not even gonna argument against this as this is utterly and objectively not true and very widely known fact at that.

    The point of my sarcastic post was that Rev has by miles higher dmg than thief, by miles higher sustain, same engage potential and only worse disengage.
    You could not, even as a joke, say that Rev has lowest burst dmg, or dmg overall.

    Do you know what dead eye is? Do you know what staff DD is? Core thief?

    Every class has the capabilities to do higher burst than Rev in a pvp viable build. In all game modes Rev burst is the lowest. Even more so in PvP however. I’m guessing you got dumpstered by somebody playing rev?

    S/D 3 button combo + almost half of Ini pool = 6763.
    D/P 4 button combo + more than half Ini pool = 7853 if you get behind, 3890 if front.

    Rev, 1 button = 9789

    All critics. Medium target. Match tested.

    Staff Thief.... lol... not gonna react to that.

    Was not talking about DE at all, would have said so if I did.

    I main Rev, oh clever one.
    I know of only one other Rev that can and will effectively beat me every single time. Second one I dont know the name off but remember getting shreked.
    You using such a weak argument such as "dumpstered by somebody playing Rev" only shows your bias toward something you like, proving you don't argue here from an objective point of view.

    Once again, I can't for the love of god, believe my eyes that somebody is actually claiming Rev burst is the lowest. Only biased Rev main could possibly release such a statement in to the world.

    9789 from1 “button” on rev. What’s this button bro? You did that much damage, I’ll assume berserker so this is almost possible. I’ll assume 25 might stacks to..

    You did this vs medium armor dummy? Screens or it didn’t happen lol.

    Had to ask a guy to duel me after your denial post.
    Told you the screenshot was Match tested, so this one is with even much less might stacks then Rev will actually achieve in actual Match and much less then what you even though I did it with, so ...
    The HP bar is exactly at 50% capacity with 11k HP so keep your Berserker excuses to yourself ;)
    Have fun.

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • Ario.8964Ario.8964 Member ✭✭✭

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @idolin.2831 said:

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @rowdy.5107 said:
    rev is just a poor mans thief in my opinion. fun class to play. but thieves and mesmers do everything a rev can do, but so much better.

    Funny, the thieves say that Rev is a rich mans Thief.
    Tell me, what exactly is that "everything" which thieves can do better?

    Thief has;

    Way higher damage than rev, it’s no competition. Even in a PVE environment it’s not even close. Power vs Power

    High mobility than rev/sustain (once again no competition). Thief can cross entire DBL in like a minute.

    People keep complying on rev because they lose to Revs that are nowhere near their own skill level. Rev has the LOWEST power damage by about 20-30% and LOWEST burst but people died to Rev hardest hitting attack and just can’t take it mentally.

    Lowest power dmg, lowest burst....

    I am sorry, but I am not even gonna argument against this as this is utterly and objectively not true and very widely known fact at that.

    The point of my sarcastic post was that Rev has by miles higher dmg than thief, by miles higher sustain, same engage potential and only worse disengage.
    You could not, even as a joke, say that Rev has lowest burst dmg, or dmg overall.

    Do you know what dead eye is? Do you know what staff DD is? Core thief?

    Every class has the capabilities to do higher burst than Rev in a pvp viable build. In all game modes Rev burst is the lowest. Even more so in PvP however. I’m guessing you got dumpstered by somebody playing rev?

    Ask the best Revs right now and I bet a majority of them will agree OH sword is very strong right now (some might even say broken). I've heard Rev streamers say that, and almost everyone on this forum (except for you) says that. Rev might be weak at a few things but burst damage is definitely NOT one of them.

    I farm every rev NA

    Cute, let's see those screens you like to ask people for when they make ridiculous claims.

    Jokes aside, Jay has a point with rev not being as monstrous as people think, especially when making comparisons to a thief you have to take into account that thief wins the 1v1 against rev assuming equal skill between players. It's not as noticeable now with OH sword giving you the ability to 1 shot (needs a damage nerf, that can't be argued no matter who you are) but it's an important factor. It's the same reason why power mes or FA ele were never top tier meta builds, thief shut them out too easily for their advantages over thief performance to be worth it. If rev's OH sword is nerfed, as it should be, then you will see a significant decrease in rev's viability compared to other profs simply because OH sword's damage is the main thing keeping them in the game right now.

    Insert impressive information about me that surprises you and earns respect.

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2018

    @Ario.8964 said:

    Cute, let's see those screens you like to ask people for when they make ridiculous claims.

    You can check my screenshots for my ridiculous statement right now above your very post.
    I even kited long enough until my Might stacks dropped. It is practically impossible for Rev to not have 20-25 might stacks, since Rev grants them to itself automaticaly and very very very frequently.
    If that person above wanted a screen without might stacks, then that would be pure alibism which practically can't be reached in actual Match, it would be like asking Mes/Mirage to post screens of F1/2/3 without Clones.

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • Ario.8964Ario.8964 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2018

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @Ario.8964 said:

    Cute, let's see those screens you like to ask people for when they make ridiculous claims.

    You can check my screenshots for my ridiculous statement right now above your very post.
    I even kited long enough until my Might stacks dropped. It is practically impossible for Rev to not have 20-25 might stacks, since Rev grants them to itself automaticaly and very very very frequently.
    If that person above wanted a screen without might stacks, then that would be pure alibism which practically can't be reached in actual Match, it would be like asking Mes/Mirage to post screens of F1/2/3 without Clones.

    Was asking Jay for the screens of him farming every rev NA since he likes to talk big, sorry it wasn't clear.

    Insert impressive information about me that surprises you and earns respect.

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ario.8964 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @Ario.8964 said:

    Cute, let's see those screens you like to ask people for when they make ridiculous claims.

    You can check my screenshots for my ridiculous statement right now above your very post.
    I even kited long enough until my Might stacks dropped. It is practically impossible for Rev to not have 20-25 might stacks, since Rev grants them to itself automaticaly and very very very frequently.
    If that person above wanted a screen without might stacks, then that would be pure alibism which practically can't be reached in actual Match, it would be like asking Mes/Mirage to post screens of F1/2/3 without Clones.

    Was asking Jay for the screens of him farming every rev NA since he likes to talk big, sorry it wasn't clear.

    Nah, that was my bad apparently.
    Sorry

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • JayAction.9056JayAction.9056 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2018

    @Alatar.7364

    you did about 20% less damage than your claimed scenario with 13 might and 8 vuln on a thief with none of the possible damage reductions. I assumed best case scenario in hopes your claim could magically happen.

    Thief can burst much higher than that

    Everything I said still stands.

    @Ario.8964

    I don’t take screens of daily occurrences. Though Im not near my computer to post screens atm.

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2018

    @JayAction.9056 said:
    @Alatar.7364

    you did about 20% less damage than your claimed scenario with 13 might and 8 vuln on a thief with none of the possible damage reductions. I assumed best case scenario in hopes your claim could magically happen.

    Thief can burst much higher than that

    Everything I said still stands.

    @Ario.8964

    I don’t take screens of daily occurrences. Though Im not near my computer to post screens atm.

    Nothing you said stands.
    The vul was done by SW, D'Uh.
    You said I did 9.7 with zerk and 25 mights, I did 8.2 with Marauder and 13 stacks.
    Real case scenario would be 25 stacks which equals roughly the dmg I stated original.
    Nothing you say stands. You got a proof but you deliberately chose to ignore it. Nothing you said stands...

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • idolin.2831idolin.2831 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ario.8964 said:

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    I farm every rev NA

    Cute, let's see those screens you like to ask people for when they make ridiculous claims.

    Jokes aside, Jay has a point with rev not being as monstrous as people think, especially when making comparisons to a thief you have to take into account that thief wins the 1v1 against rev assuming equal skill between players. It's not as noticeable now with OH sword giving you the ability to 1 shot (needs a damage nerf, that can't be argued no matter who you are) but it's an important factor. It's the same reason why power mes or FA ele were never top tier meta builds, thief shut them out too easily for their advantages over thief performance to be worth it. If rev's OH sword is nerfed, as it should be, then you will see a significant decrease in rev's viability compared to other profs simply because OH sword's damage is the main thing keeping them in the game right now.

    Yeah I'm just countering his point of Rev having low burst damage. Thief obviously has many advantages over rev - just as rev also does. I'm not sure about 1v1 - both Rev and Thief are not for that purpose but with UA, Reveal, high burst damage, good gap-closer and okay-ish sustain in 1v1s, I'd be more inclined to say Rev. I'm not too good however so I might be wrong :/

    As for OH sword nerf: It's reasonable to nerf OH sword, but there needs to be a buff along with it - either to sustain (like a buff to Shield, or a defensive buff to traits), and/or a buff to MH sword. A buff to both MH sword and Shield would be interesting - I'd love to try playing Sword/Shield and be more of a 1v1 role.

  • Ario.8964Ario.8964 Member ✭✭✭

    @idolin.2831 said:

    @Ario.8964 said:

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    I farm every rev NA

    Cute, let's see those screens you like to ask people for when they make ridiculous claims.

    Jokes aside, Jay has a point with rev not being as monstrous as people think, especially when making comparisons to a thief you have to take into account that thief wins the 1v1 against rev assuming equal skill between players. It's not as noticeable now with OH sword giving you the ability to 1 shot (needs a damage nerf, that can't be argued no matter who you are) but it's an important factor. It's the same reason why power mes or FA ele were never top tier meta builds, thief shut them out too easily for their advantages over thief performance to be worth it. If rev's OH sword is nerfed, as it should be, then you will see a significant decrease in rev's viability compared to other profs simply because OH sword's damage is the main thing keeping them in the game right now.

    Yeah I'm just countering his point of Rev having low burst damage. Thief obviously has many advantages over rev - just as rev also does. I'm not sure about 1v1 - both Rev and Thief are not for that purpose but with UA, Reveal, high burst damage, good gap-closer and okay-ish sustain in 1v1s, I'd be more inclined to say Rev. I'm not too good however so I might be wrong :/

    As for OH sword nerf: It's reasonable to nerf OH sword, but there needs to be a buff along with it - either to sustain (like a buff to Shield, or a defensive buff to traits), and/or a buff to MH sword. A buff to both MH sword and Shield would be interesting - I'd love to try playing Sword/Shield and be more of a 1v1 role.

    Shield would be so much better if they got rid of the root on 5. Then bringing it for disengage and repositioning would be a viable pick. As far as the thief and rev 1v1, if the thief is d/p they win cause stealth destroys revs damage as their skills require targets to go off (except for autos and sword 4). If the thief is s/d the fight is much closer but thief's positioning advantage plus the very strong influence of the stolen skill I think ends up shifting the fight just ever so slightly to the thief. It's not unwinnable by any means, but from all the testing I've done with people the fight is favored to thief.

    Insert impressive information about me that surprises you and earns respect.

  • Ario.8964Ario.8964 Member ✭✭✭

    @JayAction.9056 said:
    @Alatar.7364

    you did about 20% less damage than your claimed scenario with 13 might and 8 vuln on a thief with none of the possible damage reductions. I assumed best case scenario in hopes your claim could magically happen.

    Thief can burst much higher than that

    Everything I said still stands.

    @Ario.8964

    I don’t take screens of daily occurrences. Though Im not near my computer to post screens atm.

    So basically, you have 0 evidence and are making baseless claims. Got it.

    Insert impressive information about me that surprises you and earns respect.

  • Noha.3749Noha.3749 Member ✭✭✭

    i cant understand how you dont see that a thief got way better mobility than a revenant.
    Its not even a competition, thieves got the best mobility ingame and their entire kit is all about evasion and mobility.

    Every thief runs a shortbow, and with shortbow and steal alone they rock the field with mobility, now add in daredevil dodges for more mobility, shadowstep, MH sword 2 heck, even heartseeker is a decent mobility option if MH dagger.

    it wont ever be a contest, thieves got most mobility in game and thats completely fine, thats what they are about.

  • Koen.1327Koen.1327 Member ✭✭

    @Noha.3749 said:
    i cant understand how you dont see that a thief got way better mobility than a revenant.
    Its not even a competition, thieves got the best mobility ingame and their entire kit is all about evasion and mobility.

    Every thief runs a shortbow, and with shortbow and steal alone they rock the field with mobility, now add in daredevil dodges for more mobility, shadowstep, MH sword 2 heck, even heartseeker is a decent mobility option if MH dagger.

    it wont ever be a contest, thieves got most mobility in game and thats completely fine, thats what they are about.

    it depends on the situation, roaming around with a shortbow, or racing towards a node yea d/p thief wins for sure, because of this has an additional role of taking decapping to the extreme

    in +1 situations, when an enemy duelist flees the node and you need to kill it will be rev who has instant 1800 port (pt+s5), with another 1200 coming 5 seconds later. Sure this is something a thief can match using shortbow and ports (and back if needed), but at a much higher cost.
    Rev can reset much faster, and do this over and over again, all utilies and skills are low cooldown.

    you only have to kite for 10 seconds towards a nice safe no port spot, or just wait 10 seconds trying to pick a target to have 100% energy in shiro, turning you into an absolute deathmachine with really no counter other than no port spots itself.

  • Noha.3749Noha.3749 Member ✭✭✭

    @Koen.1327 said:

    @Noha.3749 said:
    i cant understand how you dont see that a thief got way better mobility than a revenant.
    Its not even a competition, thieves got the best mobility ingame and their entire kit is all about evasion and mobility.

    Every thief runs a shortbow, and with shortbow and steal alone they rock the field with mobility, now add in daredevil dodges for more mobility, shadowstep, MH sword 2 heck, even heartseeker is a decent mobility option if MH dagger.

    it wont ever be a contest, thieves got most mobility in game and thats completely fine, thats what they are about.

    it depends on the situation, roaming around with a shortbow, or racing towards a node yea d/p thief wins for sure, because of this has an additional role of taking decapping to the extreme

    in +1 situations, when an enemy duelist flees the node and you need to kill it will be rev who has instant 1800 port (pt+s5), with another 1200 coming 5 seconds later. Sure this is something a thief can match using shortbow and ports (and back if needed), but at a much higher cost.
    Rev can reset much faster, and do this over and over again, all utilies and skills are low cooldown.

    you only have to kite for 10 seconds towards a nice safe no port spot, or just wait 10 seconds trying to pick a target to have 100% energy in shiro, turning you into an absolute deathmachine with really no counter other than no port spots itself.

    I still completely dissagree :p (isnt it lovely that we all have different opinions xD?)

    Sure a revenant got great "burst engage", but using up pt + s5 you really only have enough energy for a single shortened burstrotation, and switching into glint to add up with more burst locks you our of shiros mobility options for the duration. They do however bring great cleave and distruption against multiple opponents.
    = Fast engage, great burst, avrage disengage

    A thief can s2 through a wall for (is it 900 range?) (or shadowshot if d/p for 600range), steal with 1200 range, shadowstep 1200 range, shortbow5 whenever for whatever innitiative there is to spare for 900range and none of this really effects their way to disengage or burst. Also alot of thieves run that heal+dodge thingy with is it.. 300range?.
    I do think revenants burst is harder though, but a thief is more "disruptive" against a single target with boonrip + daze(if s/d), daze+daze(if d/p) and alot of the damage actually comes from the auto attacks and "well timed" dazes/boonrips.
    = fastest engage, good burst, great single target distruption, great disengage.

  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2018

    @Noha.3749 said:

    @Koen.1327 said:

    @Noha.3749 said:
    i cant understand how you dont see that a thief got way better mobility than a revenant.
    Its not even a competition, thieves got the best mobility ingame and their entire kit is all about evasion and mobility.

    Every thief runs a shortbow, and with shortbow and steal alone they rock the field with mobility, now add in daredevil dodges for more mobility, shadowstep, MH sword 2 heck, even heartseeker is a decent mobility option if MH dagger.

    it wont ever be a contest, thieves got most mobility in game and thats completely fine, thats what they are about.

    it depends on the situation, roaming around with a shortbow, or racing towards a node yea d/p thief wins for sure, because of this has an additional role of taking decapping to the extreme

    in +1 situations, when an enemy duelist flees the node and you need to kill it will be rev who has instant 1800 port (pt+s5), with another 1200 coming 5 seconds later. Sure this is something a thief can match using shortbow and ports (and back if needed), but at a much higher cost.
    Rev can reset much faster, and do this over and over again, all utilies and skills are low cooldown.

    you only have to kite for 10 seconds towards a nice safe no port spot, or just wait 10 seconds trying to pick a target to have 100% energy in shiro, turning you into an absolute deathmachine with really no counter other than no port spots itself.

    I still completely dissagree :p (isnt it lovely that we all have different opinions xD?)

    Sure a revenant got great "burst engage", but using up pt + s5 you really only have enough energy for a single shortened burstrotation, and switching into glint to add up with more burst locks you our of shiros mobility options for the duration. They do however bring great cleave and distruption against multiple opponents.
    = Fast engage, great burst, avrage disengage

    A thief can s2 through a wall for (is it 900 range?) (or shadowshot if d/p for 600range), steal with 1200 range, shadowstep 1200 range, shortbow5 whenever for whatever innitiative there is to spare for 900range and none of this really effects their way to disengage or burst. Also alot of thieves run that heal+dodge thingy with is it.. 300range?.
    I do think revenants burst is harder though, but a thief is more "disruptive" against a single target with boonrip + daze(if s/d), daze+daze(if d/p) and alot of the damage actually comes from the auto attacks and "well timed" dazes/boonrips.
    = fastest engage, good burst, great single target distruption, great disengage.

    Yeah, thief can out mobilty most classes from a to b, but has little to no iniaitve left to be a real threat where as rev can still crazy dangerous.

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