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1v1 for 400 Gold ! Cellofrag Vs. Shorts - Weaver Vs. Mirage.

Lasiurus.4067Lasiurus.4067 Member ✭✭✭

An epic Duel for 400 Gold ! Cellofrag Vs. Shorts, Weaver Vs Mirage.
Hope you enjoy the video :)

Comments

  • Curunen.8729Curunen.8729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Nice, fun watch and to be fair props to shorts for using focus in a duel (as well as landing a lot of pulls).

    Never dodge while dazed (EM handicap) | My ears, how are you! | Kourna Jackrabbit for default Springer

  • Arioch.4810Arioch.4810 Member ✭✭✭

    Epic duel.
    It's inspiring - watching 2 great players playing such a high quality match.

  • Lasiurus.4067Lasiurus.4067 Member ✭✭✭

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:
    My favorite part was when you evaded.

    Hahaha.> @Curunen.8729 said:

    Nice, fun watch and to be fair props to shorts for using focus in a duel (as well as landing a lot of pulls).

    Yes, I was not used to fight focus mesmer, & the CC was sooo annoying to me !

  • @Solori.6025 said:
    I feel like you are single handedly the reason why Ele will never see a buff XD. Good vid and good plays to both of you

    So you're calling for mediocricity ??? get gud or leaves the weaver to people who knows how to play it.

    Great educational video, u see, without the sustain of the weaver, cello could be died 10 times and clones are a very very bad mechanisme who add an other difficulty to the player who face the mesmer. maybe give clones a timer, after 2-3 sec they disappear (or being shattered)

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Don Vega Van Kain.9842 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    I feel like you are single handedly the reason why Ele will never see a buff XD. Good vid and good plays to both of you

    So you're calling for mediocricity ??? get gud or leaves the weaver to people who knows how to play it.

    Great educational video, u see, without the sustain of the weaver, cello could be died 10 times and clones are a very very bad mechanisme who add an other difficulty to the player who face the mesmer. maybe give clones a timer, after 2-3 sec they disappear (or being shattered)

    ......
    You have absolutely no right to ever tell someone to get good then complain about clones lmao.
    Like did you come from 2012?
    Maybe you should spend more time playing the game and leave the discussion of balance to the big boys who have played longer than 2 months 😂😂
    "Get gud" then complains about clones 10/10 good troll kid😂

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • Don Vega Van Kain.9842Don Vega Van Kain.9842 Member ✭✭
    edited December 25, 2018

    @Solori.6025 said:
    You have absolutely no right to ever tell someone to get good then complain about clones lmao.
    Like did you come from 2012?
    Maybe you should spend more time playing the game and leave the discussion of balance to the big boys who have played longer than 2 months 😂😂
    "Get gud" then complains about clones 10/10 good troll kid😂

    The balance team nerf core things and u speak that i don't have what again ?! the right =) .... u have just a close view dude, the interaction between pof specialisations/elites and some core mechanics is so abused.

    and for ur information, i have 8 accounts with 45 characters since the begining (i don't love farming so have to) ..... sooo... i think i know more than you about the game ;)

    And pls if u gonna start with "boy" "kid" don't even talk to me...

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 25, 2018

    @Don Vega Van Kain.9842 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    You have absolutely no right to ever tell someone to get good then complain about clones lmao.
    Like did you come from 2012?
    Maybe you should spend more time playing the game and leave the discussion of balance to the big boys who have played longer than 2 months 😂😂
    "Get gud" then complains about clones 10/10 good troll kid😂

    The balance team nerf core things and u speak that i don't have what again ?! the right =) .... u have just a close view dude, the interaction between pof specialisations/elites and some core mechanics is so abused.

    and for ur information, i have 8 accounts with 45 characters since the begining (i don't love farming so have to) ..... sooo... i think i know more than you about the game ;)

    And pls if u gonna start with "boy" "kid" don't even talk to me...

    Oh pumpkin..

    I take it you are not a native English speaker or you have the lowest intellectual comprehension I have ever seen. Do you know what joking or satire is? Look it up and educate yourself. I think the only person that has taken this seriously was you.
    Also reaching quite a bit as I never talked about core classes. Nor do I care about your fantasy of 8 accounts ( good try I guess?) Which I doubt as you still haven't learned how to deal with clones ...clones...a class mechanic that actually " confuses" people with below par understanding of basic mechanics
    Lastly, act like a child get treated like one.
    Merry Christmas.

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 26, 2018

    Oh Muffin.
    It's like I have to explain this to a three year old and so many holes I have to display for you.

    @Don Vega Van Kain.9842 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    I take it you are not a native English speaker or you have the lowest intellectual comprehension I have ever seen. Do you know what joking or satire is? Look it up
    and educate yourself. I think the only person that has taken this seriously was you.

    Pffff..... u see, always belittling instead of having a correct discussion, a joke is supposed to be funny, it's not.

    Lastly, act like a child get treated like one.

    I understand that ur still young and act folish. I will not respond to insults by insults.

    This is funny.
    As the person who started insulting was.....
    YOU..
    Oh..or did you forget..here let me remind you..

    @Don Vega Van Kain.9842 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    I feel like you are single handedly the reason why Ele will never see a buff XD. Good vid and good plays to both of you

    So you're calling for mediocricity ??? get gud or leaves the weaver to people who knows how to play it.

    Maybe try...remembering what you type before you even try and take the imaginary moral high ground?

    What's funnier -
    The only person who seems to not comprehend light hearted humor and a compliment is you.
    Smart people figured out that no one person is responsible for the balance of an entire class.
    Smart people looked at the comment and saw someone saying "good game" or in my case congratulating both players on the plays they made in the video.
    You took the comment so far left ( and serious, which makes me laugh honestly) that you started ..oh right...insulting me...

    Also reaching quite a bit as I never talked about core classes. Nor do I care about your fantasy of 8 accounts ( good try I guess?) Which I doubt as you still haven't learned > how to deal with clones ...clones...a class mechanic that actually " confuses" people with below par understanding of basic mechanics

    Clones is a core mechanisme so yes, we're talking about core classes dude and you know what, i play mirage, a condi one, it's just i'm not like u, i don't have a main class, everyday i play 4-5 différents classes... just for fun.

    Oh...I wonder who brought up core mechanics in this discussion..
    Let me see....oh..ITS YOU AGAIN like...do you even read what you write?
    Here let me point it out to you, as it seems you are truly unable to

    @Don Vega Van Kain.9842 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    I feel like you are single handedly the reason why Ele will never see a buff XD. Good vid and good plays to both of you

    So you're calling for mediocricity ??? get gud or leaves the weaver to people who knows how to play it.

    Great educational video, u see, without the sustain of the weaver, cello could be died 10 times and clones are a very very bad mechanisme who add an other difficulty to the player who face the mesmer. maybe give clones a timer, after 2-3 sec they disappear (or being shattered)

    Do you see any mention in my original comment on core mechanics?

    No?
    I don't either...But for some reason you decided to complain about clones?!
    Yea- ok...
    Whats funnier is. In my reply to you. I am pointing out the absurdity of you complaining about clones, and some how that turns into a nerf core mechanics discussion?
    Like....
    I can't stress enough the need for you to go back and re-read what you wrote, cause this is sad.
    Like Orange tan sad.

    If you want to be a little bit civilized and we can end the discussion in private or in another topic to not polluted that one, it will be nice.

    PS: hmmm, who thumbs me up 5 times at this hour ??? ohhh just my fantasy accounts i guess..... still have two main accounts ;) don't try to be smart than smarter than u :)

    No..PM's is a terrible idea as you can't even remember the things you started in this thread. How are you going to be able to keep up with anything else ?

    Also you keep using the word Smart
    I don't think it means what you think it means.

    Please, read what satire and sarcasm are. Looking through your post history you seem to not understand either, thus me even trying to have a conversation with you would be a waste of MY time.
    And I really don't like wasting my time in futility

    EDIT:
    I totally forgot this game went free to play. Guess I have been too busy trying to learn and perfect my plays in the game instead of complaining about clones in 2018. Also funny as I just had this conversation in multiple threads about people that don't understand anything about a class trying to give suggestions on what the issue is and then getting the wrong thing nerfed.

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • Sorry guys, sorry Celo, have to answer.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    This is funny.
    As the person who started insulting was.....
    YOU..

    What the hell are you talking about ?? u seems live in some other reality where your words are an absolute truth =)

    i've say " So you're calling for mediocricity ??? *get gud or leaves the weaver to people who knows how to play it."

    where are the insults ??????? "calling for mediocricity " ???? you can call for mediocricity and be good you know, i don't say your mediocre ( can i change my mind ?), nether get gud, perhaps an advise..... WHERE's the insults duuuuude ????!!!

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Maybe try...remembering what you type before you even try and take the imaginary moral high ground?

    you love playing with words like imaginary, fantasy... don't you ? :)

    @Solori.6025 said:
    What's funnier -
    The only person who seems to not comprehend light hearted humor and a compliment is you.

    I totally understand what you meant with your "humoristic" expression but coming from you who complains all the time about the weaver, it's a disguise call to arenanet to buff weaver.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Smart people figured out that no one person is responsible for the balance of an entire class.

    Who says else ??????

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Smart people looked at the comment and saw someone saying "good game" or in my case congratulating both players on the plays they made in the video.

    yeah maybe you right here, it's been such a long time i play this game and read threads here without interact and myabe i overreact, my bad.

    @Solori.6025 said:

    You took the comment so far left ( and serious, which makes me laugh honestly) that you started ..oh right...insulting me...

    For the last time, there's no insult in what i say.....ohhh boy, you so touchy. if i really insult you with my words, i'll be banned.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Oh...I wonder who brought up core mechanics in this discussion..
    Let me see....oh..ITS YOU AGAIN like...do you even read what you write?
    Do you see any mention in my original comment on core mechanics?
    No?
    I don't either...But for some reason you decided to complain about clones?!
    Yea- ok...

    I really lost you there, yep it's me who brought the discussion about core mech and ??? what's the point ?
    and just to give a constructive answer in all this garbage, yeah i badly beleive that people still complaining (and will do it again and again) about mesmer because of clones and the headach that give for a large amount of players (Arena have nerf the break stun in dodge, many time the endurance, axe and ppl still complaing), i beleive that experimented players can find the real mesmer BUT it take almost a sec maybe 2 sec, 1-2 sec it's ok for a power mesmer to shut some ppl down (even if another time, experimented ppl will dodge cause it's so telegraphic)

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Whats funnier is. In my reply to you. I am pointing out the absurdity of you complaining about clones, and some how that turns into a nerf core mechanics discussion?
    Like....
    I can't stress enough the need for you to go back and re-read what you wrote, cause this is sad.
    Like Orange tan sad.

    Did you think to consult a doctor ?? may help.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Please, read what satire and sarcasm are. Looking through your post history you seem to not understand either, thus me even trying to have a conversation with you would be a waste of MY time.
    And I really don't like wasting my time in futility

    Dude, you have already lost enough my time and you time in futility.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    I totally forgot this game went free to play. Guess

    First, it's was my imaginary, now it's free accounts (i don't even know if free accounts can post something here) , after it will your freinds..you despair me, it's like i'm talking to a wall, you don't understand that maybe you can't but some ppl works and can buy what they wants.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    I have been too busy trying to learn and perfect my plays in the game instead of complaining about clones in 2018. Also funny as I just had this conversation in
    multiple threads about people that don't understand anything about a class trying to give suggestions on what the issue is and then getting the wrong thing nerfed.

    just this destroy all what you say before, Arenanet for months nerfed core mech (look at the last patch) and you say why i'm complaining about a core mech .... ??
    First bacause i love playing mirage, like i love playing my tempest, my s/s Holo (yeah so tired of meta), my core guard, my condi scourge/power reaper, my soulbeast, my (sorry rev :/ ), my daredevil and my SB/Berserker.

    Sec, i'm tired for ppl complaing about it even if i'm ok whith the nerf and yes my guy, arena will nerf (again) core mech and u'll see, maybe it's time for you to review core mech and not been "too busy" to trying to " perfect" one meta build.

  • Weaver never dies to Power Mirage btw.

    I'm a well known nobody.
    Former member of [MnF], [DnT], [dP], and [Hg]. Winner of the 2018 ERP Tournament.

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 26, 2018

    @Don Vega Van Kain.9842 said:
    Sorry guys, sorry Celo, have to answer.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    This is funny.
    As the person who started insulting was.....
    YOU..

    What the hell are you talking about ?? u seems live in some other reality where your words are an absolute truth =)

    i've say " So you're calling for mediocricity ??? *get gud or leaves the weaver to people who knows how to play it."

    where are the insults ??????? "calling for mediocricity " ???? you can call for mediocricity and be good you know, i don't say your mediocre ( can i change my mind ?), nether get gud, perhaps an advise..... WHERE's the insults duuuuude ????!!!

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Maybe try...remembering what you type before you even try and take the imaginary moral high ground?


    you love playing with words like imaginary, fantasy... don't you ? :)

    @Solori.6025 said:
    What's funnier -
    The only person who seems to not comprehend light hearted humor and a compliment is you.

    I totally understand what you meant with your "humoristic" expression but coming from you who complains all the time about the weaver, it's a disguise call to arenanet to buff weaver.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Smart people figured out that no one person is responsible for the balance of an entire class.

    Who says else ??????

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Smart people looked at the comment and saw someone saying "good game" or in my case congratulating both players on the plays they made in the video.

    yeah maybe you right here, it's been such a long time i play this game and read threads here without interact and myabe i overreact, my bad.

    @Solori.6025 said:

    You took the comment so far left ( and serious, which makes me laugh honestly) that you started ..oh right...insulting me...

    For the last time, there's no insult in what i say.....ohhh boy, you so touchy. if i really insult you with my words, i'll be banned.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Oh...I wonder who brought up core mechanics in this discussion..
    Let me see....oh..ITS YOU AGAIN like...do you even read what you write?
    Do you see any mention in my original comment on core mechanics?
    No?
    I don't either...But for some reason you decided to complain about clones?!
    Yea- ok...

    I really lost you there, yep it's me who brought the discussion about core mech and ??? what's the point ?
    and just to give a constructive answer in all this garbage, yeah i badly beleive that people still complaining (and will do it again and again) about mesmer because of clones and the headach that give for a large amount of players (Arena have nerf the break stun in dodge, many time the endurance, axe and ppl still complaing), i beleive that experimented players can find the real mesmer BUT it take almost a sec maybe 2 sec, 1-2 sec it's ok for a power mesmer to shut some ppl down (even if another time, experimented ppl will dodge cause it's so telegraphic)

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Whats funnier is. In my reply to you. I am pointing out the absurdity of you complaining about clones, and some how that turns into a nerf core mechanics discussion?
    Like....
    I can't stress enough the need for you to go back and re-read what you wrote, cause this is sad.
    Like Orange tan sad.

    Did you think to consult a doctor ?? may help.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Please, read what satire and sarcasm are. Looking through your post history you seem to not understand either, thus me even trying to have a conversation with you would be a waste of MY time.
    And I really don't like wasting my time in futility

    Dude, you have already lost enough my time and you time in futility.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    I totally forgot this game went free to play. Guess

    First, it's was my imaginary, now it's free accounts (i don't even know if free accounts can post something here) , after it will your freinds..you despair me, it's like i'm talking to a wall, you don't understand that maybe you can't but some ppl works and can buy what they wants.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    I have been too busy trying to learn and perfect my plays in the game instead of complaining about clones in 2018. Also funny as I just had this conversation in
    multiple threads about people that don't understand anything about a class trying to give suggestions on what the issue is and then getting the wrong thing nerfed.

    just this destroy all what you say before, Arenanet for months nerfed core mech (look at the last patch) and you say why i'm complaining about a core mech .... ??
    First bacause i love playing mirage, like i love playing my tempest, my s/s Holo (yeah so tired of meta), my core guard, my condi scourge/power reaper, my soulbeast, my (sorry rev :/ ), my daredevil and my SB/Berserker.

    Sec, i'm tired for ppl complaing about it even if i'm ok whith the nerf and yes my guy, arena will nerf (again) core mech and u'll see, maybe it's time for you to review core mech and not been "too busy" to trying to " perfect" one meta build.

    ...Nope ..
    Homework time as your comprehension is sub par.
    Go into my history and find post where I complain about weaver in the same way people complain about mes. Good luck as you won't find it.
    Secondly find me a situation where " get gud" is friendly advice in any mmo when said to a stranger.
    Your lack of understanding is what makes this difficult as you type things that probably don't come out like you intend simply because you don't understand what you are typing. Or I just fell for the greatest troll in history.
    Anyway homework first. Go go.

    Edit: because I'm not sure you can even read Google this is what people see when you tell someone " get gud" and has been its understood meaning since UO.
    ." Consider it an elitist insult towards other players who may be having difficulty in a game or have lost in a game. It suggests that the player is a button masher ("scrub") and that the game mechanics are not to blame for the player's failure. ("Git Gud")"
    So yes. It is an insult. I don't believe you are so young and foolish as to not have known this.....or are you? 😊

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • EremiteAngel.9765EremiteAngel.9765 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Curunen.8729 said:
    Nice, fun watch and to be fair props to shorts for using focus in a duel (as well as landing a lot of pulls).

    Hey Curunen, was wondering if you can explain more on what's wrong with using focus in a duel?
    I meet focus mirages often in WvW roaming/duels too.
    Is it an inferior offhand to use?
    Like in this video at the 5 min and 30 secs mark.

    A Hermit's Tale - To The Edge of the Mists [Link Here]

  • Curunen.8729Curunen.8729 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 26, 2018

    @EremiteAngel.9765 said:

    @Curunen.8729 said:
    Nice, fun watch and to be fair props to shorts for using focus in a duel (as well as landing a lot of pulls).

    Hey Curunen, was wondering if you can explain more on what's wrong with using focus in a duel?
    I meet focus mirages often in WvW roaming/duels too.
    Is it an inferior offhand to use?
    Like in this video at the 5 min and 30 secs mark.

    Regarding iWarden - anything more than a 1v1 or if there are npcs around results in those thrown axes randomly going to different targets, which overall are negligable in terms of damage especially compared with our other more reliable sources of damage. It's a very bad phantasm since it got changed, that needs some further mechanic changes for reliability and scalability.
    The projectile destruction bubble is kind of redundant when we have traits like Evasive Mirror which provide more than enough reflect. Also the iWarden is entirely useless against melee cleave - eg if fighting a warrior etc right in your face. It becomes a dead skill in those situations.

    Regarding Curtain - the swiftness is useful but can be used by swapping focus out of the inventory for roaming. The cripple is almost entirely negligable. And the pull provides plenty of time to react with the 1s cooldown of into the void - either by outranging the pull or anticipating with an evade etc. Then you can go in and burst forcing a weapon swap or simply putting on back foot, knowing how long its cooldown is.
    Also against builds with high stabilty or other anti-cc access it becomes useless. So eg vs good engineers, warriors... Even vs good thieves you'll have a hard time landing the pull and then be stuck with an offhand with no offense or defence potential.

    The cooldowns of both these skills are fairly prohibitive for their effects in solo roaming when untraited, and the trait Warden's Feedback directly competes with one of the best core mesmer traits of Restorative Illusions in Inspiration - ie anyone roaming taking Inspiration is going to get a lot more out of RI.

    Necro is one of the things most susceptible to focus however that curtain at 5:32 they should have dodged away and moved out of range to avoid the pull, that was just bad play and asking for it. I don't understand necro well enough to comment in detail on ways they can deal with cc in general (it's like my least played class even for the purpose of learning), but focus curtain gives you plenty of time to react and do something about it.

    Personally I can't recall ever losing to a focus using mesmer in wvw since they nerfed into the void from instant to having the 1s icd. Torch stealth allows you to get the upper hand for kiting or burst, pistol has more effective single target damage and reasonable cc in magic bullet (I won't talk about offhand sword because in my opinion that's also not a great weapon in general).

    As Cello says he was not used to fighting focus mesmer, and I think an issue is a lot of players have forgotten how to deal with focus as it has been very rare to see a focus mesmer running around solo for years compared with torch. Sure in group play focus pull is very dangerous in combination with other skills to secure wins, and in certain very specific 1v1 scenarios focus can be useful. But for general use in solo play I'd put money on a torch mesmer any day.

    Never dodge while dazed (EM handicap) | My ears, how are you! | Kourna Jackrabbit for default Springer

  • Don Vega Van Kain.9842Don Vega Van Kain.9842 Member ✭✭
    edited December 26, 2018

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Don Vega Van Kain.9842 said:
    Sorry guys, sorry Celo, have to answer.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    This is funny.
    As the person who started insulting was.....
    YOU..

    What the hell are you talking about ?? u seems live in some other reality where your words are an absolute truth =)

    i've say " So you're calling for mediocricity ??? *get gud or leaves the weaver to people who knows how to play it."

    where are the insults ??????? "calling for mediocricity " ???? you can call for mediocricity and be good you know, i don't say your mediocre ( can i change my mind ?), nether get gud, perhaps an advise..... WHERE's the insults duuuuude ????!!!

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Maybe try...remembering what you type before you even try and take the imaginary moral high ground?


    you love playing with words like imaginary, fantasy... don't you ? :)

    @Solori.6025 said:
    What's funnier -
    The only person who seems to not comprehend light hearted humor and a compliment is you.

    I totally understand what you meant with your "humoristic" expression but coming from you who complains all the time about the weaver, it's a disguise call to arenanet to buff weaver.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Smart people figured out that no one person is responsible for the balance of an entire class.

    Who says else ??????

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Smart people looked at the comment and saw someone saying "good game" or in my case congratulating both players on the plays they made in the video.

    yeah maybe you right here, it's been such a long time i play this game and read threads here without interact and myabe i overreact, my bad.

    @Solori.6025 said:

    You took the comment so far left ( and serious, which makes me laugh honestly) that you started ..oh right...insulting me...

    For the last time, there's no insult in what i say.....ohhh boy, you so touchy. if i really insult you with my words, i'll be banned.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Oh...I wonder who brought up core mechanics in this discussion..
    Let me see....oh..ITS YOU AGAIN like...do you even read what you write?
    Do you see any mention in my original comment on core mechanics?
    No?
    I don't either...But for some reason you decided to complain about clones?!
    Yea- ok...

    I really lost you there, yep it's me who brought the discussion about core mech and ??? what's the point ?
    and just to give a constructive answer in all this garbage, yeah i badly beleive that people still complaining (and will do it again and again) about mesmer because of clones and the headach that give for a large amount of players (Arena have nerf the break stun in dodge, many time the endurance, axe and ppl still complaing), i beleive that experimented players can find the real mesmer BUT it take almost a sec maybe 2 sec, 1-2 sec it's ok for a power mesmer to shut some ppl down (even if another time, experimented ppl will dodge cause it's so telegraphic)

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Whats funnier is. In my reply to you. I am pointing out the absurdity of you complaining about clones, and some how that turns into a nerf core mechanics discussion?
    Like....
    I can't stress enough the need for you to go back and re-read what you wrote, cause this is sad.
    Like Orange tan sad.

    Did you think to consult a doctor ?? may help.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Please, read what satire and sarcasm are. Looking through your post history you seem to not understand either, thus me even trying to have a conversation with you would be a waste of MY time.
    And I really don't like wasting my time in futility

    Dude, you have already lost enough my time and you time in futility.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    I totally forgot this game went free to play. Guess

    First, it's was my imaginary, now it's free accounts (i don't even know if free accounts can post something here) , after it will your freinds..you despair me, it's like i'm talking to a wall, you don't understand that maybe you can't but some ppl works and can buy what they wants.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    I have been too busy trying to learn and perfect my plays in the game instead of complaining about clones in 2018. Also funny as I just had this conversation in
    multiple threads about people that don't understand anything about a class trying to give suggestions on what the issue is and then getting the wrong thing nerfed.

    just this destroy all what you say before, Arenanet for months nerfed core mech (look at the last patch) and you say why i'm complaining about a core mech .... ??
    First bacause i love playing mirage, like i love playing my tempest, my s/s Holo (yeah so tired of meta), my core guard, my condi scourge/power reaper, my soulbeast, my (sorry rev :/ ), my daredevil and my SB/Berserker.

    Sec, i'm tired for ppl complaing about it even if i'm ok whith the nerf and yes my guy, arena will nerf (again) core mech and u'll see, maybe it's time for you to review core mech and not been "too busy" to trying to " perfect" one meta build.

    ...Nope ..
    Homework time as your comprehension is sub par.
    Go into my history and find post where I complain about weaver in the same way people complain about mes. Good luck as you won't find it.
    Secondly find me a situation where " get gud" is friendly advice in any mmo when said to a stranger.
    Your lack of understanding is what makes this difficult as you type things that probably don't come out like you intend simply because you don't understand what you are typing. Or I just fell for the greatest troll in history.
    Anyway homework first. Go go.

    Edit: because I'm not sure you can even read Google this is what people see when you tell someone " get gud" and has been its understood meaning since UO.
    ." Consider it an elitist insult towards other players who may be having difficulty in a game or have lost in a game. It suggests that the player is a button masher ("scrub") and that the game mechanics are not to blame for the player's failure. ("Git Gud")"
    So yes. It is an insult. I don't believe you are so young and foolish as to not have known this.....or are you? 😊

    haven't you say "you don't have time to waste" and ur still here :disappointed:

    ohh dude, if ur the wrong guy as you say, i don't mean to insult you with the get gud (really first time i tell someone get gud XD ) anyway, you could start with this and say it's not me, we could save energy and saliva.

    Otherwise, that don't change anything about what i say about core mech ;)

    Good luck with ur homeworking, if u need help, gimme a sign :D

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Don Vega Van Kain.9842 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Don Vega Van Kain.9842 said:
    Sorry guys, sorry Celo, have to answer.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    This is funny.
    As the person who started insulting was.....
    YOU..

    What the hell are you talking about ?? u seems live in some other reality where your words are an absolute truth =)

    i've say " So you're calling for mediocricity ??? *get gud or leaves the weaver to people who knows how to play it."

    where are the insults ??????? "calling for mediocricity " ???? you can call for mediocricity and be good you know, i don't say your mediocre ( can i change my mind ?), nether get gud, perhaps an advise..... WHERE's the insults duuuuude ????!!!

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Maybe try...remembering what you type before you even try and take the imaginary moral high ground?


    you love playing with words like imaginary, fantasy... don't you ? :)

    @Solori.6025 said:
    What's funnier -
    The only person who seems to not comprehend light hearted humor and a compliment is you.

    I totally understand what you meant with your "humoristic" expression but coming from you who complains all the time about the weaver, it's a disguise call to arenanet to buff weaver.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Smart people figured out that no one person is responsible for the balance of an entire class.

    Who says else ??????

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Smart people looked at the comment and saw someone saying "good game" or in my case congratulating both players on the plays they made in the video.

    yeah maybe you right here, it's been such a long time i play this game and read threads here without interact and myabe i overreact, my bad.

    @Solori.6025 said:

    You took the comment so far left ( and serious, which makes me laugh honestly) that you started ..oh right...insulting me...

    For the last time, there's no insult in what i say.....ohhh boy, you so touchy. if i really insult you with my words, i'll be banned.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Oh...I wonder who brought up core mechanics in this discussion..
    Let me see....oh..ITS YOU AGAIN like...do you even read what you write?
    Do you see any mention in my original comment on core mechanics?
    No?
    I don't either...But for some reason you decided to complain about clones?!
    Yea- ok...

    I really lost you there, yep it's me who brought the discussion about core mech and ??? what's the point ?
    and just to give a constructive answer in all this garbage, yeah i badly beleive that people still complaining (and will do it again and again) about mesmer because of clones and the headach that give for a large amount of players (Arena have nerf the break stun in dodge, many time the endurance, axe and ppl still complaing), i beleive that experimented players can find the real mesmer BUT it take almost a sec maybe 2 sec, 1-2 sec it's ok for a power mesmer to shut some ppl down (even if another time, experimented ppl will dodge cause it's so telegraphic)

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Whats funnier is. In my reply to you. I am pointing out the absurdity of you complaining about clones, and some how that turns into a nerf core mechanics discussion?
    Like....
    I can't stress enough the need for you to go back and re-read what you wrote, cause this is sad.
    Like Orange tan sad.

    Did you think to consult a doctor ?? may help.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Please, read what satire and sarcasm are. Looking through your post history you seem to not understand either, thus me even trying to have a conversation with you would be a waste of MY time.
    And I really don't like wasting my time in futility

    Dude, you have already lost enough my time and you time in futility.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    I totally forgot this game went free to play. Guess

    First, it's was my imaginary, now it's free accounts (i don't even know if free accounts can post something here) , after it will your freinds..you despair me, it's like i'm talking to a wall, you don't understand that maybe you can't but some ppl works and can buy what they wants.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    I have been too busy trying to learn and perfect my plays in the game instead of complaining about clones in 2018. Also funny as I just had this conversation in
    multiple threads about people that don't understand anything about a class trying to give suggestions on what the issue is and then getting the wrong thing nerfed.

    just this destroy all what you say before, Arenanet for months nerfed core mech (look at the last patch) and you say why i'm complaining about a core mech .... ??
    First bacause i love playing mirage, like i love playing my tempest, my s/s Holo (yeah so tired of meta), my core guard, my condi scourge/power reaper, my soulbeast, my (sorry rev :/ ), my daredevil and my SB/Berserker.

    Sec, i'm tired for ppl complaing about it even if i'm ok whith the nerf and yes my guy, arena will nerf (again) core mech and u'll see, maybe it's time for you to review core mech and not been "too busy" to trying to " perfect" one meta build.

    ...Nope ..
    Homework time as your comprehension is sub par.
    Go into my history and find post where I complain about weaver in the same way people complain about mes. Good luck as you won't find it.
    Secondly find me a situation where " get gud" is friendly advice in any mmo when said to a stranger.
    Your lack of understanding is what makes this difficult as you type things that probably don't come out like you intend simply because you don't understand what you are typing. Or I just fell for the greatest troll in history.
    Anyway homework first. Go go.

    Edit: because I'm not sure you can even read Google this is what people see when you tell someone " get gud" and has been its understood meaning since UO.
    ." Consider it an elitist insult towards other players who may be having difficulty in a game or have lost in a game. It suggests that the player is a button masher ("scrub") and that the game mechanics are not to blame for the player's failure. ("Git Gud")"
    So yes. It is an insult. I don't believe you are so young and foolish as to not have known this.....or are you? 😊

    haven't you say "you don't have time to waste" and ur still here :disappointed:

    ohh dude, if ur the wrong guy as you say, i don't mean to insult you with the get gud (really first time i tell someone get gud XD )

    Otherwise, that don't change anything about what i say about core mech ;)

    Good luck with ur homeworking, if u need help, gimme a sign :D

    A quick history search would tell you whom I was or if I had ever had a discussion with you prior.
    Click on my name, go to comments- Tells you everything you need to know as far as if I have ever complained about weaver. Really simple function you need to learn how to use.
    Context is something else you need to read up on. As taking things out of context ( which you did frequently) leads to a conversation not rooted in the original intent.
    Home work was for you. LOL
    Look in my history-
    Read about "git gud" as that is an insult. An old one, but an insult none the less.

    Also apology accepted.

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • Lasiurus.4067Lasiurus.4067 Member ✭✭✭

    Please, keep cool, everyone.
    Thanks <3

  • Don Vega Van Kain.9842Don Vega Van Kain.9842 Member ✭✭
    edited December 26, 2018

    @Solori.6025 said:
    search would tell you whom I was or if I had ever had a discussion with you prior.
    Click on my name, go to comments- Tells you everything you need to know as far as if I have ever complained about weaver. Really simple function you need to learn >how to use.
    Context is something else you need to read up on. As taking things out of context ( which you did frequently) leads to a conversation not rooted in the original intent.
    Home work was for you. LOL
    Look in my history-
    Read about "git gud" as that is an insult. An old one, but an insult none the less.

    Also apology accepted.

    Everytime you talk, you want me to search in your discussion history, dude i don't have time, i make mistake maybe (i'm not even sure, i won't do the search nah :p ) but you inflate the misunderstanding and exaggerated cause you too salty, too touchy i don't even know why.

    and yeah, if you really accepted my explanation, you will not answer like that, I revoke my apologies =)

    PS : you have a thumb up !!! have you create a new free account ??? :3

  • EremiteAngel.9765EremiteAngel.9765 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Curunen.8729 said:

    @EremiteAngel.9765 said:

    @Curunen.8729 said:
    Nice, fun watch and to be fair props to shorts for using focus in a duel (as well as landing a lot of pulls).

    Hey Curunen, was wondering if you can explain more on what's wrong with using focus in a duel?
    I meet focus mirages often in WvW roaming/duels too.
    Is it an inferior offhand to use?
    Like in this video at the 5 min and 30 secs mark.

    Regarding iWarden - anything more than a 1v1 or if there are npcs around results in those thrown axes randomly going to different targets, which overall are negligable in terms of damage especially compared with our other more reliable sources of damage. It's a very bad phantasm since it got changed, that needs some further mechanic changes for reliability and scalability.
    The projectile destruction bubble is kind of redundant when we have traits like Evasive Mirror which provide more than enough reflect. Also the iWarden is entirely useless against melee cleave - eg if fighting a warrior etc right in your face. It becomes a dead skill in those situations.

    Regarding Curtain - the swiftness is useful but can be used by swapping focus out of the inventory for roaming. The cripple is almost entirely negligable. And the pull provides plenty of time to react with the 1s cooldown of into the void - either by outranging the pull or anticipating with an evade etc. Then you can go in and burst forcing a weapon swap or simply putting on back foot, knowing how long its cooldown is.
    Also against builds with high stabilty or other anti-cc access it becomes useless. So eg vs good engineers, warriors... Even vs good thieves you'll have a hard time landing the pull and then be stuck with an offhand with no offense or defence potential.

    The cooldowns of both these skills are fairly prohibitive for their effects in solo roaming when untraited, and the trait Warden's Feedback directly competes with one of the best core mesmer traits of Restorative Illusions in Inspiration - ie anyone roaming taking Inspiration is going to get a lot more out of RI.

    Necro is one of the things most susceptible to focus however that curtain at 5:32 they should have dodged away and moved out of range to avoid the pull, that was just bad play and asking for it. I don't understand necro well enough to comment in detail on ways they can deal with cc in general (it's like my least played class even for the purpose of learning), but focus curtain gives you plenty of time to react and do something about it.

    Personally I can't recall ever losing to a focus using mesmer in wvw since they nerfed into the void from instant to having the 1s icd. Torch stealth allows you to get the upper hand for kiting or burst, pistol has more effective single target damage and reasonable cc in magic bullet (I won't talk about offhand sword because in my opinion that's also not a great weapon in general).

    As Cello says he was not used to fighting focus mesmer, and I think an issue is a lot of players have forgotten how to deal with focus as it has been very rare to see a focus mesmer running around solo for years compared with torch. Sure in group play focus pull is very dangerous in combination with other skills to secure wins, and in certain very specific 1v1 scenarios focus can be useful. But for general use in solo play I'd put money on a torch mesmer any day.

    Thanks! That was very helpful.
    The necro was me actually and I learn something new =)

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  • Curunen.8729Curunen.8729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EremiteAngel.9765 said:

    @Curunen.8729 said:

    @EremiteAngel.9765 said:

    @Curunen.8729 said:
    Nice, fun watch and to be fair props to shorts for using focus in a duel (as well as landing a lot of pulls).

    Hey Curunen, was wondering if you can explain more on what's wrong with using focus in a duel?
    I meet focus mirages often in WvW roaming/duels too.
    Is it an inferior offhand to use?
    Like in this video at the 5 min and 30 secs mark.

    Regarding iWarden - anything more than a 1v1 or if there are npcs around results in those thrown axes randomly going to different targets, which overall are negligable in terms of damage especially compared with our other more reliable sources of damage. It's a very bad phantasm since it got changed, that needs some further mechanic changes for reliability and scalability.
    The projectile destruction bubble is kind of redundant when we have traits like Evasive Mirror which provide more than enough reflect. Also the iWarden is entirely useless against melee cleave - eg if fighting a warrior etc right in your face. It becomes a dead skill in those situations.

    Regarding Curtain - the swiftness is useful but can be used by swapping focus out of the inventory for roaming. The cripple is almost entirely negligable. And the pull provides plenty of time to react with the 1s cooldown of into the void - either by outranging the pull or anticipating with an evade etc. Then you can go in and burst forcing a weapon swap or simply putting on back foot, knowing how long its cooldown is.
    Also against builds with high stabilty or other anti-cc access it becomes useless. So eg vs good engineers, warriors... Even vs good thieves you'll have a hard time landing the pull and then be stuck with an offhand with no offense or defence potential.

    The cooldowns of both these skills are fairly prohibitive for their effects in solo roaming when untraited, and the trait Warden's Feedback directly competes with one of the best core mesmer traits of Restorative Illusions in Inspiration - ie anyone roaming taking Inspiration is going to get a lot more out of RI.

    Necro is one of the things most susceptible to focus however that curtain at 5:32 they should have dodged away and moved out of range to avoid the pull, that was just bad play and asking for it. I don't understand necro well enough to comment in detail on ways they can deal with cc in general (it's like my least played class even for the purpose of learning), but focus curtain gives you plenty of time to react and do something about it.

    Personally I can't recall ever losing to a focus using mesmer in wvw since they nerfed into the void from instant to having the 1s icd. Torch stealth allows you to get the upper hand for kiting or burst, pistol has more effective single target damage and reasonable cc in magic bullet (I won't talk about offhand sword because in my opinion that's also not a great weapon in general).

    As Cello says he was not used to fighting focus mesmer, and I think an issue is a lot of players have forgotten how to deal with focus as it has been very rare to see a focus mesmer running around solo for years compared with torch. Sure in group play focus pull is very dangerous in combination with other skills to secure wins, and in certain very specific 1v1 scenarios focus can be useful. But for general use in solo play I'd put money on a torch mesmer any day.

    Thanks! That was very helpful.
    The necro was me actually and I learn something new =)

    No problem, thanks for taking it well. :)

    In general with Curtain, know you've got 1 second to do something about it, and then a window of about 4 seconds until the curtain disappears - options being get out of range, prepare defenses (dodge, stab, block, etc), or alternatively go super offensive and burst in the mesmer's face - can force them to panic pull and fail (eg in the past maybe I'd go in with a blurred frenzy shatter combo where they miss the pull). Sorry I don't properly know your options as necro - maybe someone who dual mains necro and mesmer could offer better insight.

    Also bear in mind untraited curtain does nothing to projectiles, so it's literally only the pull to worry about.

    Personally I'd feel at a significant disadvantage using focus vs warrior, engineer, thief, mesmer and guardian due to the high likelyhood of the pull being completely negated. vs Ele and Rev it's a mixed bag, vs ranger likely also at disadvantage now (but then everything kind of is...) - so it's really only vs necro where it can take advantage of more limited mobility and anti-cc.

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  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 27, 2018

    @Don Vega Van Kain.9842 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    search would tell you whom I was or if I had ever had a discussion with you prior.
    Click on my name, go to comments- Tells you everything you need to know as far as if I have ever complained about weaver. Really simple function you need to learn >how to use.
    Context is something else you need to read up on. As taking things out of context ( which you did frequently) leads to a conversation not rooted in the original intent.
    Home work was for you. LOL
    Look in my history-
    Read about "git gud" as that is an insult. An old one, but an insult none the less.

    Also apology accepted.

    Everytime you talk, you want me to search in your discussion history, dude i don't have time, i make mistake maybe (i'm not even sure, i won't do the search nah :p ) but you inflate the misunderstanding and exaggerated cause you too salty, too touchy i don't even know why.

    Umm...

    and yeah, if you really accepted my explanation, you will not answer like that, I revoke my apologies =)

    ..... You don't take critisicm well, or you took what I wrote as aggressive.. either way..

    you too salty, too touchy i don't even know why.

    ...^ ah the inevitable projection

    PS : you have a thumb up !!! have you create a new free account ??? :3

    . . . Who does that? Who needs validation that much they would create a free account to thumb themselves up on the forums.
    .....
    Actually....nevermind.....
    I see 8 examples on one post

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • @Solori.6025 said:

    @Don Vega Van Kain.9842 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    search would tell you whom I was or if I had ever had a discussion with you prior.
    Click on my name, go to comments- Tells you everything you need to know as far as if I have ever complained about weaver. Really simple function you need to learn >how to use.
    Context is something else you need to read up on. As taking things out of context ( which you did frequently) leads to a conversation not rooted in the original intent.
    Home work was for you. LOL
    Look in my history-
    Read about "git gud" as that is an insult. An old one, but an insult none the less.

    Also apology accepted.

    Everytime you talk, you want me to search in your discussion history, dude i don't have time, i make mistake maybe (i'm not even sure, i won't do the search nah :p ) but you inflate the misunderstanding and exaggerated cause you too salty, too touchy i don't even know why.

    Umm...

    and yeah, if you really accepted my explanation, you will not answer like that, I revoke my apologies =)

    ..... You don't take critisicm well, or you took what I wrote as aggressive.. either way..

    you too salty, too touchy i don't even know why.

    ...^

    PS : you have a thumb up !!! have you create a new free account ??? :3

    . . . Who does that? Who needs validation that much they would create a free account to thumb themselves up on the forums.
    .....
    Actually....nevermind.....

    All this just to say nothing..ummm.... you have too much time to waste.

    I can handle it, you're here, in a comfortable place, you gave your advise right and left annnnd i came and "distrub" you....yeahh who i think i am !!

    I don't say any once of critism just someone too angry..... you just blow hot air for nothing.

    The discussion go far away from the game and become a kitten fight.

    Good luck to you IRL, sincerely.

  • Lasiurus.4067Lasiurus.4067 Member ✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Saw the first fight. You tank most shatters, you get hit by every CC, you keep trying for the churning earth memes. It's fine because you just heal it all back up quicker than s/he can get his/her damage back.

    I don't know if it gets better but watching a 5 minute fight where you do so much wrong then win through attrition isn't compelling me to watch more. I know it's scathing but it's the truth. I'm glad you're still carrying the ele torch and I know ele is kinda meh atm but this isn't fun to watch and I've played ele for 5 years now.

    "you keep trying for the churning earth memes"

    And I Won first fight thanks to the "churning earth memes" It's still very powerful.

    "you get hit by every CC,"

    It's very difficult to avoid the focus CC because of the range + unpredictable timer.

  • U can stop intentionally waiting a very long time to reply to bump up ur thread and ur vid with it over and over now

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 16, 2019

    Anyone else hitting thumbs up now?

    Edit: no fun, old thread.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    PvP forum members must be making a new football oval judging by the way they move the goalposts of every post.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion

  • Curennos.9307Curennos.9307 Member ✭✭✭

    @Lasiurus.4067 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Saw the first fight. You tank most shatters, you get hit by every CC, you keep trying for the churning earth memes. It's fine because you just heal it all back up quicker than s/he can get his/her damage back.

    I don't know if it gets better but watching a 5 minute fight where you do so much wrong then win through attrition isn't compelling me to watch more. I know it's scathing but it's the truth. I'm glad you're still carrying the ele torch and I know ele is kinda meh atm but this isn't fun to watch and I've played ele for 5 years now.

    "you keep trying for the churning earth memes"

    And I Won first fight thanks to the "churning earth memes" It's still very powerful.

    "you get hit by every CC,"

    It's very difficult to avoid the focus CC because of the range + unpredictable timer.

    You won the first fight with it and then, insofar as I recall from watching (sorta was stop/go a little there due to multitasking) never hit him with it again. Just curious, but please go into why you use it as much as you do. You seem to dedicate a not-insignificant amount of time to that combo and it seems so inefficient. Massive cast time and blowing a 40 sec CD to....force them to dodge? Surely more constant pressure is the better option there.

    Especially considering the cast time leaves you extremely vulnerable. ~18:00 you use it and blow Flash despite being very close to him already. I also notice they started to try and mostly use sword 2 against it, meaning you blew a long CD utility skill + long cast time on a much lower CD weapon skill.

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    This is why noone wants to have a bunker meta.

  • @Lasiurus.4067 I want to duel you!

  • @Brendan.1309 DW, he'll respond in a few weeks.

  • Xstein.2187Xstein.2187 Member ✭✭✭

    Wow! those power mes one shot KOs everyone has been talking about were amazing!

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