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Ranger/Souldbeast Vs Conditions

So, i am new to Ranger and Soulbeast, as a WvW player and a roamer at that, i encounter condition builds a LOT and i just cant do anything about them at the moment. I just melt. Remove the first bomb and seconds later another 5+ conditions on me. How do you guys handle condition builds?

Currently i have:
Photosynthesize: Removes 2 Conditions. The Cast time is too much to be able to actively use it to remove conditions.
Spiritual Reprieve: 3 seconds Resistance. Again the cast time makes it near impossible to get it off without easily being interrupted.
Bear Stance: Can remove 8 conditions. No idea what it targets to remove first. Decent, at best but never going to save you.
Signet of Renewal: transfer 12 condis. HUGE cool down just ruins it.

What do you guys run to stand a chance against mindless condition bombing. Of course for most classes (except Warrior) Application of conditions FAR exceeds your removal potential but i just cant figure out how to even stand a chance, i just melt too fast :/

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  • anduriell.6280anduriell.6280 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 29, 2017

    Wilderness knowledge + Evasive purity. Don't use bear as it has too high CD, use troll unguent if you know how to kite or otherwise We Heal as One + soften the fall. Plus everything you already pointed out.

    SoR is bugged, avoid it.

  • @anduriell.6280 said:
    Wilderness knowledge + Evasive purity. Don't use bear as it has too high CD, use troll unguent if you know how to kite or otherwise We Heal as One + soften the fall. Plus everything you already pointed out.

    SoR is bugged, avoid it.

    Is wilderness Knowledge worth taking over the (admittedly short) reduction that Emphatic Bond has? As i currently dont use any Survival skills, so it would it be worth it for just the heal? if i did take Troll Urgent. I assume with Troll Urgent its only removing 2 conditions at the start? Is that really that much better than Bear which heals reasonably well and can remove 8 conditions. Same cast time and only 5second longer cool down (with Urgent being traited) GW2Skills is bugged for Emphatic Bond as its only 20% to pet, rather than the 50% it says. Wish it was 50% Lol.

    How is SoR bugged? You mean for the Beastmode version not giving you resistance? As i dont use it unless i have the pet active, because losing all conditions is better than boon that cant be corrupted with easy auto attacks or stolen

  • post you full build, looks like you are going to have to give something up to get better condi removal just dont know what. also range is you best defence against condi bombs

  • @ArmageddonAsh.6430 , In beastmode SoR doesn't work at all ATM. You only get the stun break, not the condi removal and not the resistance.

  • Durzlla.6295Durzlla.6295 Member ✭✭✭

    The way I handle condis is I run bearstance and a brown bear, but then again I've been notorious for taking way less condi removal than everyone else on this forum seems to...

    That being said, if you take soften the fall and wilderness survival every time you heal you're going to remove an extra 2 condis, if you also have troll unguents you'd be removing 4 condis on heal.

    I think the best advise I could give would be to literally just try to use evade frames against the big condi bombs, and save your bear stance for when you're getting low on health AND are loaded up with condis because that monsterous heal will easily pull you from the grave back to full health while purging your condis.

    But as everyone else has said it'd be way more helpful to have your build so we can help you alter your build for better condi resistance without completely destroying your build.

    Also, id recommend avoiding empathetic bond unless you intend on having vitality as a stat, and/or are running melandru runes because whenever your pet gets a condi you're getting a portion of that duration too, and if it's sPvP that means if they hit your pet with a condi you're getting 80% of the duration, no way of evading it. On the plus side though, if you AND your pet get hit by the same condi bomb skill you won't double dip, so I guess there's that?

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  • @Eggyokeo.9705 said:
    post you full build, looks like you are going to have to give something up to get better condi removal just dont know what. also range is you best defence against condi bombs

    @LughLongArm.5460 said:
    @ArmageddonAsh.6430 , In beastmode SoR doesn't work at all ATM. You only get the stun break, not the condi removal and not the resistance.

    Yeah that is kind of annoying but i would rather the full condi clear to 3 seconds of resistance that can easily be corrupted/removed any dya, though would be nice if they fixed it and maybe buffed its for when you are in Beastmode, maybe something like Gian 3 seconds resistance for each condi you have?

    @Durzlla.6295 said:
    The way I handle condis is I run bearstance and a brown bear, but then again I've been notorious for taking way less condi removal than everyone else on this forum seems to...

    That being said, if you take soften the fall and wilderness survival every time you heal you're going to remove an extra 2 condis, if you also have troll unguents you'd be removing 4 condis on heal.

    I think the best advise I could give would be to literally just try to use evade frames against the big condi bombs, and save your bear stance for when you're getting low on health AND are loaded up with condis because that monsterous heal will easily pull you from the grave back to full health while purging your condis.

    But as everyone else has said it'd be way more helpful to have your build so we can help you alter your build for better condi resistance without completely destroying your build.

    Also, id recommend avoiding empathetic bond unless you intend on having vitality as a stat, and/or are running melandru runes because whenever your pet gets a condi you're getting a portion of that duration too, and if it's sPvP that means if they hit your pet with a condi you're getting 80% of the duration, no way of evading it. On the plus side though, if you AND your pet get hit by the same condi bomb skill you won't double dip, so I guess there's that?

    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNEQNAoYTnE8C9rgN8Cm8Cs8iFKBLP3GcPuP/gZVHrJAUqSAncePiD-jVDBQB+QlAPqUgGaB2h6KgRJRK0EQhTAQh0BovDBAHVmBgnAwbUh4f7PAA-w

    This is my build, something i put together myself. Didn't really think too much about it. It does well in groups. Its just solo Vs Condi builds that i just melt. I do okay against others losing some, winning some but making quite a few mistakes that im putting down to Razer new Naga mouse isnt as good as the one i had and playing new class. I havent put the food simply because i dont use any at the moment, i was thinking about going wioth the 20% duration decrease but with people being able to get such high condition duration, 20% reduction of those that have like 70%+ duration increase is just so minor

    Is Troll Urgent (4 condis traited) better than Bear Stance which can remove like double that?

    Wow, i had no idea it did that! It surely makes that trait more danger than it is worth, especially when facing AoE condis as wouldn't you be taking double the condition? If you and your pet get hit wouldnt you then take your condition and 80% of the pets one? So you wont take double the condition if its an AoE? What if you get hit by one AoE and the pet by a different one that you didnt get hit by?

  • Durzlla.6295Durzlla.6295 Member ✭✭✭

    @ArmageddonAsh.6430 said:

    @Durzlla.6295 said:
    The way I handle condis is I run bearstance and a brown bear, but then again I've been notorious for taking way less condi removal than everyone else on this forum seems to...

    That being said, if you take soften the fall and wilderness survival every time you heal you're going to remove an extra 2 condis, if you also have troll unguents you'd be removing 4 condis on heal.

    I think the best advise I could give would be to literally just try to use evade frames against the big condi bombs, and save your bear stance for when you're getting low on health AND are loaded up with condis because that monsterous heal will easily pull you from the grave back to full health while purging your condis.

    But as everyone else has said it'd be way more helpful to have your build so we can help you alter your build for better condi resistance without completely destroying your build.

    Also, id recommend avoiding empathetic bond unless you intend on having vitality as a stat, and/or are running melandru runes because whenever your pet gets a condi you're getting a portion of that duration too, and if it's sPvP that means if they hit your pet with a condi you're getting 80% of the duration, no way of evading it. On the plus side though, if you AND your pet get hit by the same condi bomb skill you won't double dip, so I guess there's that?

    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNEQNAoYTnE8C9rgN8Cm8Cs8iFKBLP3GcPuP/gZVHrJAUqSAncePiD-jVDBQB+QlAPqUgGaB2h6KgRJRK0EQhTAQh0BovDBAHVmBgnAwbUh4f7PAA-w

    This is my build, something i put together myself. Didn't really think too much about it. It does well in groups. Its just solo Vs Condi builds that i just melt. I do okay against others losing some, winning some but making quite a few mistakes that im putting down to Razer new Naga mouse isnt as good as the one i had and playing new class. I havent put the food simply because i dont use any at the moment, i was thinking about going wioth the 20% duration decrease but with people being able to get such high condition duration, 20% reduction of those that have like 70%+ duration increase is just so minor

    Is Troll Urgent (4 condis traited) better than Bear Stance which can remove like double that?

    Wow, i had no idea it did that! It surely makes that trait more danger than it is worth, especially when facing AoE condis as wouldn't you be taking double the condition? If you and your pet get hit wouldnt you then take your condition and 80% of the pets one? So you wont take double the condition if its an AoE? What if you get hit by one AoE and the pet by a different one that you didnt get hit by?

    Oooh you're in WvW, I believe there it's a 50-50 split for you and your pet, so you'd only be getting 50% of the condi duration applied to you/your pet, I had assumed this was in sPvP where it's an 80-20 ratio (80% you 20% pet). The way it works is if you or your pet get hit by a single attack that applies condis then you share the condi duration I.E. if you get hit with 10s of cripple you and your pet will get 5s of cripple, and vice versa. However, if you and your pet both get hit by the SAME attack that applies 10s of cripple you both would only get 5s of cripple one time. However, if you're standing in one fire field and your pet is standing in a different fire field you'll both be getting a % of the burning those fire fields are causing. So if you're running a melee centric build where you and your pet will be side by side getting hit by everything together empathetic bond is pretty good, if you and your pet are getting hit by different effects it's horrible.

    I personally think Bearstance is our best heal, I love that thing it's a huge heal and a huge condi purge and I would not trade it for a traited troll unguent at all. However, I would consider taking both Soften the Fall and Wilderness Knowledge to add an additional 2 condi cleanse on top of bear stance if for whatever reason I was having a lot of fights where I'm just getting dunked in condis.

    One thing I'd definitely do for your build is drop the shout trait and pick a different one since you're running no shouts, and I'd probably make the gear set up less sporadic, since it appears to be all over the place. I'd definitely drop the shaman gear and get something a little bit more aggressive.

    Also, is there a specific condi build that you're having trouble with? Because if it's necros, their whole thing is destroying other condi builds which kinda puts you at an inherent disadvantage.

    "But my children sing to me. Listen. They sing dark, delicious notes about power and family. As their mother, I have to grant them their wish."

  • @Durzlla.6295 said:
    Oooh you're in WvW, I believe there it's a 50-50 split for you and your pet, so you'd only be getting 50% of the condi duration applied to you/your pet, I had assumed this was in sPvP where it's an 80-20 ratio (80% you 20% pet). The way it works is if you or your pet get hit by a single attack that applies condis then you share the condi duration I.E. if you get hit with 10s of cripple you and your pet will get 5s of cripple, and vice versa. However, if you and your pet both get hit by the SAME attack that applies 10s of cripple you both would only get 5s of cripple one time. However, if you're standing in one fire field and your pet is standing in a different fire field you'll both be getting a % of the burning those fire fields are causing. So if you're running a melee centric build where you and your pet will be side by side getting hit by everything together empathetic bond is pretty good, if you and your pet are getting hit by different effects it's horrible.

    I personally think Bearstance is our best heal, I love that thing it's a huge heal and a huge condi purge and I would not trade it for a traited troll unguent at all. However, I would consider taking both Soften the Fall and Wilderness Knowledge to add an additional 2 condi cleanse on top of bear stance if for whatever reason I was having a lot of fights where I'm just getting dunked in condis.

    One thing I'd definitely do for your build is drop the shout trait and pick a different one since you're running no shouts, and I'd probably make the gear set up less sporadic, since it appears to be all over the place. I'd definitely drop the shaman gear and get something a little bit more aggressive.

    Also, is there a specific condi build that you're having trouble with? Because if it's necros, their whole thing is destroying other condi builds which kinda puts you at an inherent disadvantage.

    You would think that but WvW follows PvP so its 80/20 rather than the PvE side where its 50/50. So it is the same as sPvP. I had no idea it went both ways. Yeah that could be killer :/

    Yeah i do think Bear Stance is great, i do wonder what conditions it targets to remove first though, should be damaging ones first. Yeah i might do that, I will see how the Troll Urgent combo goes. I get 1.3k Heal ticks when im merged with my tree. Which isnt too bad.

    That was actually a mistake, i dont take that trait, i take the middle one. Potent Ally, grants Might to each other when critting. I like the added Healing Power due to the Poison Trait and combined with the Tree Heal which can heal for like 6k+ on its own.

    Theres a few, Daredevil Dodge build which just spams dodges and Death Blossom, so much evade and dodging that i cant hit them much at all and the sheer constant application of conditions i just cant do anything about. Scourges as well just melt with their condition spamming on top of more condition spamming on top of even more condition spamming.

  • Vacant.4159Vacant.4159 Member ✭✭
    edited September 30, 2017

    If you take the grand master trait that makes survival skills cleanse 2 conditions (and provide fury) as well as the trait that makes you cast muddy terrain when using a healing skill, using troll unguent will cleanse 4 conditions, as muddy terrain is also a survival skill.

    Troll unguent also has a very short cooldown and provides a substantial heal.

    Personally, I feel it kinda sucks to be pigeon holed into essentially focusing an entire trait line on condi cleanse, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

  • I don't know how they could take a bad GM trait like Empathic Bond and make it so much worse. Before, you could possibly kill your profession mechanic off with it, but now your profession mechanic can kill you as well as dying itself. I'm reminded of that saying... In Soviet Russia, GM trait kill YOU

  • i agree for the most part with durzilla, in WS line grab "soften the fall" and "Wilderness knowledge" wilderness knowledge will also interact with pet swap zepher speed, so there is alot more condi removal right there. you could alos drop SoR for either QZ or protect me if you use protect me you could also grab second skin over predotors cunning for some condi "resistance" as well

  • @Vacant.4159 said:
    If you take the grand master trait that makes survival skills cleanse 2 conditions (and provide fury) as well as the trait that makes you cast muddy terrain when using a healing skill, using troll unguent will cleanse 4 conditions, as muddy terrain is also a survival skill.

    Troll unguent also has a very short cooldown and provides a substantial heal.

    Personally, I feel it kinda sucks to be pigeon holed into essentially focusing an entire trait line on condi cleanse, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

    While traited and inside Beastmode with the Tree, Troll Urgent will cleanse 4 conditions and heal for like 9-10k , the problem is its over an 8 second duration and would it be better than Bear Stance which with the heal trait would remove 10 Conditions over 4 seconds and heal for like 6k base plus like 600ish for each condition it removes which removes 8 which is like another 4.5kish So like 11-12k healing over 4seconds but does have a 5second longer cool down.

    Not sure if Troll Urgent is worth it, even when traited Vs Bear Stance :/

    @Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:
    I don't know how they could take a bad GM trait like Empathic Bond and make it so much worse. Before, you could possibly kill your profession mechanic off with it, but now your profession mechanic can kill you as well as dying itself. I'm reminded of that saying... In Soviet Russia, GM trait kill YOU

    yeah, now its been explained how did they ever decide to add this trait to the game, it makes no sense and actually punishes you for taking it. It wouldnt be so bad if it was 50/50 in WvW but 80/20 just ruins it, considering all the AoE spamming of conditions, corruption and such.

    @Eggyokeo.9705 said:
    i agree for the most part with durzilla, in WS line grab "soften the fall" and "Wilderness knowledge" wilderness knowledge will also interact with pet swap zepher speed, so there is alot more condi removal right there. you could alos drop SoR for either QZ or protect me if you use protect me you could also grab second skin over predotors cunning for some condi "resistance" as well

    Zephyr Speed? So the trait version is a Survival skill? As the trait doesnt say it is. Even though the actual skill is. Though it does say Cast "Lesser" Quickening Zephyr. So does that still count as a survival skill? Even though its bugged inside Beastmode, being able to remove 12 conditions is still too nice to drop it i think, i would still use it outside of Beastmode even if it worked inside because removing 12 conditions is MUCH better than 3 seconds of resistance.

    Though Quickening Zephyr does sound nice, Stun break, Quickness, Superspeed and 2 condis removed - 40 seconds (traited) cool down is a little bit high to use as a stun break. Though i guess it could be used to run away with the Superspeed and such. protect Me does look good, if i dropped the "potent Ally" trait and picked up the Resounding Timbre trait, it would grant 10 seconds of Swiftness and Regen while also reducing the cool down to 24 seconds, so would be getting healed from the Regen and from the protection heal trait as well

    Which one would you take?

  • Durzlla.6295Durzlla.6295 Member ✭✭✭

    lesser Quickining Zephyr is a survival skill yes, so on pet swap you'd cleanse 2 condis, gain quickness, fury, and superspeed (no stunbreak).

    And keep in mind you run dolyak stance, so you would have two stunbreaks on your bar, and you could always use QZ more as an offensive stunbreak, which is what I do. IE: someone CCs you when you're about to go ham on them so you break the CC and finish going ham.

    "But my children sing to me. Listen. They sing dark, delicious notes about power and family. As their mother, I have to grant them their wish."

  • @Durzlla.6295 said:
    lesser Quickining Zephyr is a survival skill yes, so on pet swap you'd cleanse 2 condis, gain quickness, fury, and superspeed (no stunbreak).

    And keep in mind you run dolyak stance, so you would have two stunbreaks on your bar, and you could always use QZ more as an offensive stunbreak, which is what I do. IE: someone CCs you when you're about to go ham on them so you break the CC and finish going ham.

    Ah cool, the stun break would have been welcome though lol
    You can never have enough stun breaks in this game when so many classes can use like 4 or, some times more constantly :/

  • Khenzy.9348Khenzy.9348 Member ✭✭✭

    So you are all talking about WvW... What about Soften the fall+Evasive Purity+Wilderness Knowledge and Troll's Ungüent WITH Rune of the Defender plus Remove condition on heal food? Five conditions that go byebye everytime you heal. People don't usually take Troll's Ungüent because it lacks upfront healing. With Runes of the Defender that is solved, 1k tick+4,5k+ tick when getting hit with that aegis procc on instantly solves that. Now you have sustain, upfront healing and condi cleansing without druid.

  • @Khenzy.9348 said:
    So you are all talking about WvW... What about Soften the fall+Evasive Purity+Wilderness Knowledge and Troll's Ungüent WITH Rune of the Defender plus Remove condition on heal food? Five conditions that go byebye everytime you heal. People don't usually take Troll's Ungüent because it lacks upfront healing. With Runes of the Defender that is solved, 1k tick+4,5k+ tick when getting hit with that aegis procc on instantly solves that. Now you have sustain, upfront healing and condi cleansing without druid.

    Should you really need Traits, food and runesets so you dont melt to conditions? I personally dont think so. Not quite sure how rune of the defender is meant to help? Mostly as i have no blocks. So the 6/6 effect wouldnt be much use, I would assume that the 4/6 granting Aegis would proc the 6/6?

    Any idea if the 6/6 is affected by the heal pets added 25% healing? Plus, you would have to remember not to use the heal on cool down (if you needed it) due to the Difference in the heal cool down and the Runeset cool down.

  • Rune of the Defender is pretty awesome with the GS. I think it would go pretty awesome with Bear Stance too for more up-front heal. Don't forget Lyssa Runes too, with WK and Entangle, you are losing 7 condis every 48s, converting 5 to boons.

    Also... https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bowl_of_Spiced_Red_Lentil_Stew

  • Khenzy.9348Khenzy.9348 Member ✭✭✭

    @ArmageddonAsh.6430 said:

    @Khenzy.9348 said:
    So you are all talking about WvW... What about Soften the fall+Evasive Purity+Wilderness Knowledge and Troll's Ungüent WITH Rune of the Defender plus Remove condition on heal food? Five conditions that go byebye everytime you heal. People don't usually take Troll's Ungüent because it lacks upfront healing. With Runes of the Defender that is solved, 1k tick+4,5k+ tick when getting hit with that aegis procc on instantly solves that. Now you have sustain, upfront healing and condi cleansing without druid.

    Should you really need Traits, food and runesets so you dont melt to conditions? I personally dont think so. Not quite sure how rune of the defender is meant to help? Mostly as i have no blocks. So the 6/6 effect wouldnt be much use, I would assume that the 4/6 granting Aegis would proc the 6/6?

    Any idea if the 6/6 is affected by the heal pets added 25% healing? Plus, you would have to remember not to use the heal on cool down (if you needed it) due to the Difference in the heal cool down and the Runeset cool down.

    Rune of the Defender is one of the strongest sustain rune sets in the game, and very few fights last long enough for you to cast your heal a second time in the very same fight, it also has great sinergy with greatsword.

    And yeah, Rangers have to devote a lot of resources to gain decent condi clear, it has always been the case, and now more than ever with how strong condi builds are.

  • Miellyn.6847Miellyn.6847 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 30, 2017

    @LughLongArm.5460 said:
    @ArmageddonAsh.6430 , In beastmode SoR doesn't work at all ATM. You only get the stun break, not the condi removal and not the resistance.

    There is no condi removal with SoR. It transfers condis to your pet. Your pet is not existent in beastmode, so you can't transfer them to it. You are technically the pet so you transfer them to yourself, the only bug is not getting resistance.

    It also doesn't transfer them if the pet is out of range.

  • ArmageddonAsh.6430ArmageddonAsh.6430 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:
    Rune of the Defender is pretty awesome with the GS. I think it would go pretty awesome with Bear Stance too for more up-front heal. Don't forget Lyssa Runes too, with WK and Entangle, you are losing 7 condis every 48s, converting 5 to boons.

    Also... https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bowl_of_Spiced_Red_Lentil_Stew

    Is that because of the Counterattack ability? Even with the 30second cool down on the 6/6 Do you think it would be worth it for those that don't run the Greatsword?

    @Khenzy.9348 said:
    Rune of the Defender is one of the strongest sustain rune sets in the game, and very few fights last long enough for you to cast your heal a second time in the very same fight, it also has great sinergy with greatsword.

    And yeah, Rangers have to devote a lot of resources to gain decent condi clear, it has always been the case, and now more than ever with how strong condi builds are.

    Yeah but with the fact that fights are very short, is it worth losing damage (i run Berserkers) to go with a Runeset that wouldnt help in terms of offense and would make it worse (due to the loss of Berserkers) Would Defenders be a good option to take?

    Yeah i have noticed that, its the same for several classes and still isnt enough due to the sheer condition spamming in the game, unless you are a Warrior or maybe a Revenant conditions are so tough :/

    @Miellyn.6847 said:
    There is no condi removal with SoR. It transfers condis to your pet. Your pet is not existent in beastmode, so you can't transfer them to it. You are technically the pet so you transfer them to yourself, the only bug is not getting resistance.

    It also doesn't transfer them if the pet is out of range.

    Yeah and that is what i mean, i wouldn't use it in Beastmode. Even if the resistance worked. I would rather use it outside of beastmode and get 12 conditions transferred.

  • @ArmageddonAsh.6430 said:

    @Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:
    Rune of the Defender is pretty awesome with the GS. I think it would go pretty awesome with Bear Stance too for more up-front heal. Don't forget Lyssa Runes too, with WK and Entangle, you are losing 7 condis every 48s, converting 5 to boons.

    Also... https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bowl_of_Spiced_Red_Lentil_Stew

    Is that because of the Counterattack ability? Even with the 30second cool down on the 6/6 Do you think it would be worth it for those that don't run the Greatsword?

    Yeah, pretty much, because you can block many attacks with Counterattack, and each block applies 2s of Regeneration. Plus you can trigger the heal bonus from 6/6. It should be almost as good with other weapon sets, you still get Aegis on heal, so that would be your block.

  • ArmageddonAsh.6430ArmageddonAsh.6430 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:
    Yeah, pretty much, because you can block many attacks with Counterattack, and each block applies 2s of Regeneration. Plus you can trigger the heal bonus from 6/6. It should be almost as good with other weapon sets, you still get Aegis on heal, so that would be your block.

    Would you say its worth the loss of 5% direct damage, 5% condition damage, 175 Condition damage and 100 Power to gain the Aegis and the heal every 30seconds? Especially if i dont run Greatsword.

  • Fluffball.8307Fluffball.8307 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ArmageddonAsh.6430 said:

    @Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:
    Yeah, pretty much, because you can block many attacks with Counterattack, and each block applies 2s of Regeneration. Plus you can trigger the heal bonus from 6/6. It should be almost as good with other weapon sets, you still get Aegis on heal, so that would be your block.

    Would you say its worth the loss of 5% direct damage, 5% condition damage, 175 Condition damage and 100 Power to gain the Aegis and the heal every 30seconds? Especially if i dont run Greatsword.

    I literally read zero of this thread but recognized the Rune of the defender benefits. Those things are off the charts powerful.

  • ArmageddonAsh.6430ArmageddonAsh.6430 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fluffball.8307 said:
    I literally read zero of this thread but recognized the Rune of the defender benefits. Those things are off the charts powerful.

    Yeah for some, i am just wondering if i only have a Heal to proc the 4/6 and 6/6, while the heal is decent. I would guess the beastmode 25% healing increase would affect it? so that would be like 5k which is very nice, but one proc every 30seconds, if you are forced into healing, then i would have 60seconds wait between procs. Wondering if its worth losing 5% direct damage, 5% condition damage, 175 Condition damage and 100 Power for it.

    Also, the thread started about trying to find away to counter condition builds. I just struggle, though i am new to the class.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2017

    @OP:

    The best Soulbeast Ranger build is a condition build! :) It's based on the old Viper's condi build, with one trait line exchanged for Soulbeast, and this build is even more powerful than it predecessor.

    Watch this video for build details:

    "What good is battle prowess when you are too dead to make use of it?" - Draco Ud Verik (Human Ranger) | Guild: Order of the Ebon [Hand]
    . My GW2 content charts: (1) LWS 4, (2) PoF , (3) Personal story (pre-Claw Island/Orr) , (4) HoT , (5) LWS 2 , (6) Orr campaign , (7) LWS 3

  • ArmageddonAsh.6430ArmageddonAsh.6430 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    @OP:

    The best Soulbeast Ranger build is a condition build! :) It's based on the old Viper's condi build, with one trait line exchanged for Soulbeast, and this build is even more powerful than it predecessor.

    Watch this video for build details:

    This is kinda meangingless, Stationary big targets while having fully group and raid buffs - wont be happening that much and wont happen for me ever as i am a WvW roamer lol

  • @ArmageddonAsh.6430 said:

    @Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:
    Yeah, pretty much, because you can block many attacks with Counterattack, and each block applies 2s of Regeneration. Plus you can trigger the heal bonus from 6/6. It should be almost as good with other weapon sets, you still get Aegis on heal, so that would be your block.

    Would you say its worth the loss of 5% direct damage, 5% condition damage, 175 Condition damage and 100 Power to gain the Aegis and the heal every 30seconds? Especially if i dont run Greatsword.

    So, you are using Berzerker runes? Thus, a condition damage build? In that case, something like Antitoxin would be a good choice since it offers you +183 condi damage and -24% incoming condi duration as well as 5 stacks of Might for 10 seconds on incoming Poison or Torment (20s cooldown). https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_Antitoxin

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    @OP:

    The best Soulbeast Ranger build is a condition build! :) It's based on the old Viper's condi build, with one trait line exchanged for Soulbeast, and this build is even more powerful than it predecessor.

    That's not a build you play in any PvP format.

  • anduriell.6280anduriell.6280 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2017

    @Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:
    That's not a build you play in any PvP format.

    Yep, i think we should clarify all the problems we see with Soulbeast is in WvW and sPvP. In PvE soulbeast is fine, in Raids condi does the average damage and druid is still wanted because of the buffs.

    But as soon as it gets into a end game against other players the soulbeast falls very short.

    I mean come on, the firebrand get's an AoE effects from the Firebrand's mantras instead just the cone because it was too difficult to target with those?

    So what would be the problem to have actual an mechanically playable class?

  • ArmageddonAsh.6430ArmageddonAsh.6430 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

    So, you are using Berzerker runes? Thus, a condition damage build? In that case, something like Antitoxin would be a good choice since it offers you +183 condi damage and -24% incoming condi duration as well as 5 stacks of Might for 10 seconds on incoming Poison or Torment (20s cooldown). https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_Antitoxin

    What i was thinking of doing is as i dont run any food, i could drop a sigil and pick up condi or power stacking sigil and then use some food, im more hybrid than pure condi. So i could drop a Sigil for either Corruption or Bloodlust and pick up some food, maybe the one with condi removed on heal skill? That combined with the Muddy Trait and Bear stance would be like 11 condis removed? Though -24% Condition damage would be nice, maybe grab the food one as well and have like 44% reduced reduction?

    11 Condis removed Every 30seconds + Regen On Block, Aegis on Heal + 4k+ Heal on block every 30seconds
    Vs
    8 Condis removed every 30seconds + -44% Condi duration?

  • @anduriell.6280 said:

    @Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:
    That's not a build you play in any PvP format.

    Yep, i think we should clarify all the problems we see with Soulbeast is in WvW and sPvP. In PvE soulbeast is fine, in Raids condi does the average damage and druid is still wanted because of the buffs.

    But as soon as it gets into a end game against other players the soulbeast falls very short.

    I mean come on, the firebrand get's an AoE effects from the Firebrand's mantras instead just the cone because it was too difficult to target with those?

    So what would be the problem to have actual an mechanically playable class?

    How is that any different than Ranger Frost Spirit, Spitit of Stone or Spotter?

  • ArmageddonAsh.6430ArmageddonAsh.6430 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What do you guys think about this build?

    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAT4YnE8C1CiN8Cm8Cs8ilJBLf3OcTuPBha1HrJAcqmAjYO-jFDBQBwb/BA8EA4oyDPqEbIqUQLlgmzEEFOIAGUdlUoD4AXAgCpZgUAYLsC-w

    The Heal would be worth like 18k ish healing in total (with 8 condis removed) and would remove up to 11 (8 from heal, 2 from trait, 1 from food) conditions as well.
    Not sure what to put into the Ascended slots

  • I have a novel idea, Run Sor and don't camp SB.

    If you're seeing a lot of condi, swap builds.

    EZ

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • ArmageddonAsh.6430ArmageddonAsh.6430 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:
    I have a novel idea, Run Sor and don't camp SB.

    If you're seeing a lot of condi, swap builds.

    EZ

    Thats a silly idea. Even outside of Beastmode SoR has too many requirements, the insanely long cool down as well as the range requirement of your pet as well. The cooldown along just makes it a rather poor skill.

  • anduriell.6280anduriell.6280 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 4, 2017

    @ArmageddonAsh.6430 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:
    I have a novel idea, Run Sor and don't camp SB.

    If you're seeing a lot of condi, swap builds.

    EZ

    Thats a silly idea. Even outside of Beastmode SoR has too many requirements, the insanely long cool down as well as the range requirement of your pet as well. The cooldown along just makes it a rather poor skill.

    I think what EnderzShadow really means when he says Swap builds to swap to Druid

  • ArmageddonAsh.6430ArmageddonAsh.6430 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @anduriell.6280 said:
    I think what EnderzShadow really means when he says Swap builds to swap to Druid

    Yeah, pretty much :/
    Not really a choice for someone that doesnt actually want to play Druid though...

  • I sometimes use Lyssa Runes if my build uses Entangle. 7 condition wipe plus a load of boons every 48s when traited. Can be a great way to turn a fight around.

  • ArmageddonAsh.6430ArmageddonAsh.6430 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cufufalating.8479 said:
    I sometimes use Lyssa Runes if my build uses Entangle. 7 condition wipe plus a load of boons every 48s when traited. Can be a great way to turn a fight around.

    Yeah i have been running One Wolf Pack but it kinda sucks, So i was kinda looking at what i could run instead. The question is. If i have the Survival trait (removes 2 conditions) and i have 7 conditions on me with Lyssa runes. What would proc first? The condition removal or the Lyssa runes? As if its the removal, that would slightly weaken taking Lyssa runes?

  • Prophet.1584Prophet.1584 Member ✭✭✭

    If your running with the zerg it might be better to run Druid instead of SB. SB gives up defensive capabilities for offensive and offense isn't needed as much in the zerg. You need to be able to tag and contribute to the group with buffs and healing, etc.

    If your talking about roaming I would either run a defensive SB build with WS/BM/SB or WS/NM/SB for either traited shouts or boonsharing to your pet. If you prefer to be an offensive roamer then understand that you have to give up defenses for offense. SB definitely has the edge over core ranger and druid for offense and you can still slot traited survival skills and bear stance as your cleanses. I ran into few problems roaming with bear stance, QZ, Sharpened edges, SoS and entangle on my bar.

  • ArmageddonAsh.6430ArmageddonAsh.6430 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Prophet.1584 said:
    If your running with the zerg it might be better to run Druid instead of SB. SB gives up defensive capabilities for offensive and offense isn't needed as much in the zerg. You need to be able to tag and contribute to the group with buffs and healing, etc.

    If your talking about roaming I would either run a defensive SB build with WS/BM/SB or WS/NM/SB for either traited shouts or boonsharing to your pet. If you prefer to be an offensive roamer then understand that you have to give up defenses for offense. SB definitely has the edge over core ranger and druid for offense and you can still slot traited survival skills and bear stance as your cleanses. I ran into few problems roaming with bear stance, QZ, Sharpened edges, SoS and entangle on my bar.

    I dont run with zergs enough to justify changes to my build to help out in groups, i use my Tree pet if i am in a group and thats about it. I am more of a roamer. I have Shouts traited but currently just run Sick 'em as the 40% Damage increase inside SB, Regen and Swiftness are rather nice, the reveal is only really helpful against select classes though but its VERY useful against them.

    I am currently running Bear Stance, Sick'em Dolyak Stance, Lightening Reflexes and Entangle or One With Pack. Traits wise i run Wilderness Survival 1/1/2, Beastmastery 3/3/2 and soulbeast 2/3/3. Though wondering if maybe picking up Unstoppable Union would be worth it over the loss of Quickness and Fury. Not really a boon spammer though. I havent dropped Berserker Runes yet, but picked up Gazelle (i know its going to be nerfed and that doesnt really affect me as long as they dont nerf the mobility skill) and dropped Dagger/Dagger for Greatsword as Dagger/Dagger while i wish it was good, the damage just isnt good enough

  • Daniel Handler.4816Daniel Handler.4816 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 5, 2017

    @ArmageddonAsh.6430 said:

    @Cufufalating.8479 said:
    I sometimes use Lyssa Runes if my build uses Entangle. 7 condition wipe plus a load of boons every 48s when traited. Can be a great way to turn a fight around.

    Yeah i have been running One Wolf Pack but it kinda sucks, So i was kinda looking at what i could run instead. The question is. If i have the Survival trait (removes 2 conditions) and i have 7 conditions on me with Lyssa runes. What would proc first? The condition removal or the Lyssa runes? As if its the removal, that would slightly weaken taking Lyssa runes?

    The removal is before the conversion, which is good because the less boons you get the less can be converted to conditions.

    As for this discussion the max condition removal on soulbeast in WvW is ~1.45 per second overtime or ~11.5 per second for 3.75 seconds

    cleanses/(cooldown+cast)

    The sustain with Soulbeast is worse than Mesmer/Ele, but the burst removal is unparalleled. A backline LB might the best option. Perhaps make use of unstoppable union and warhorn for unblockable projectiles.

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