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Hello. I play from New Zealand, and my average ping is usually 240 to 270.

I see a lot of VPN usage in games that I play; it seems to be a new fad currently. Particularly from OCE players in Pubg, and WoW.

Can I use VPN for guild wars 2, 1)without being at risk of ban or punishment from a net, and 2) to effectively reduce my latency? VPN costs a few dollars a month which I wouldn't mind paying as long as it shaves off a chunk of ping.

I play on Sea of Sorrows server.

Any help or advice would be appreciated, particularly from fellow OCE players who have experimented with this. As stated above my 2 concerns are effectiveness of the VPN, and potentially being banned or something.

Thanks in advance.

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  • LaFurion.3167LaFurion.3167 Member ✭✭✭

    I should also mention that pve is whatever; but when I go into wvw I might want to toggle on the VPN etc.

    How would the different server match ups affect my latency, if at all? Hmm....

    All of you guys and girls have no idea how lucky you are to play on under 70ms for ANY game you choose XD... it's an oceanic gamers wet dream...

    Ah well. Back to VPN discussion ._.

  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Ive been using a VPN lately and havent had any issues, and my latency has improved decently. Average before the VPN was 120, now its 40.

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  • LaFurion.3167LaFurion.3167 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dante.1763 said:
    Ive been using a VPN lately and havent had any issues, and my latency has improved decently. Average before the VPN was 120, now its 40.

    Oh my GOD that is insane. Where are you playing from and what server?

    I guess I will go from like 250 down to 150 or so O_o one can dream! Will try it when I get home

  • LaFurion.3167LaFurion.3167 Member ✭✭✭

    Also which VPN do you use? Mudfish? Exit lag?

  • LaFurion.3167LaFurion.3167 Member ✭✭✭

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    The Devs often suggest the use of a VPN for connection issues, so there is no need to worry about Account actions.

    Good luck.

    Awesome will let you know how my experience goes.

    Still waiting go see which VPN Dante uses!

  • LaFurion.3167LaFurion.3167 Member ✭✭✭

    Okay so just got home and tried using mudfish with it. The server on Mudfish is called "Guild wars 1 and 2".

    I couldnt log on! When I entered my password and details it wouldnt let me log on, and interestingly enough it wouldnt let me log in to the forums either.

    I am on the hunt now for a different VPN; if there is anybody who currently uses a VPN for guild wars 2, preferably from OCE, could you please let me know? :) Would be greatly appreciated!

  • Aridon.8362Aridon.8362 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 15, 2018

    A VPN is NOT a solution to your problem, unless the concentrator is located closer in route between yourself and Arenanet. You need to examine how your connection performs under a traceroute, even better during an MTR session (active traceroute), and check to make sure that either 1) the number of hops is less with the VPN, or 2) that packets take a shorter amount of time to travel through the network than it does using your normal route. If you want to go the VPN route buy a month of it and test out what I said, if I can remember nordvpn is an excellent candidate for 5 dollars a month or something.

    Another thing you can try is testing the connection on your end and run a speed test. On average you should confirm that you are getting the same speed you're getting on your modem to the same speed that your adapter is getting, you can ask your parents what your plan is if you're a kid or just confirm with your isp if you're an adult. Note that a solid connection with guild wars on average takes 30Mbps. A VPN works a little like the way a proxy does, it pushes your traffic somewhere off a distant part like India masking packet info along the way before it even hits the United States so it may kitten your connection instead of making it better.

    Lastly developer can mean different things in modern times. A dev can be a programmer (who may not know much about anything networking nor has possibly ever even touched a router), to even a person who's never seen code at all. Trust me I'm a network engineer and get paid around 75 grand a year to take care of things like this. Your problem may not even be solved for a while because a cargo ship may have accidentally cut the underwater cable that connects the European Union to the United States using its anchor(which has happened before), in which case your route is just taking a longer path.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I can't comment on using a VPN to improve your ping, but I can tell you that the different server matchups won't matter because all the servers in a region are in the same location and I think they actually have a wired connection between them. The NA servers are in the USA (Texas if I remember correctly) and the EU servers are in Germany. So you don't need to worry about your server connecting to another one, just your connection to the server.

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  • NA servers are in Virginia, actually. They used to be in Texas, though.

  • zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 15, 2018

    vpn? improving latency?

    well my wifi is slightly slower than wired direct connection. 1 hop should be faster than 2 hops (traceroute). lel.

    this is akin to layering GW2-64.exe and playing it in a non-Windows OS and effin claiming "iz good, bruv."

    VPN is for spoofing ips so you can get in on a gateway with a set of allowed ip addresses based on location. that's about it.

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  • mauried.5608mauried.5608 Member ✭✭✭

    VPN wont help much from NZ as its the distance thats the killer.
    You might get a 10% improvement but not much else.
    The only exception would be if your ISP is using a non optimum route for their US connections , but from your posted ping times thats not the case.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 15, 2018

    a vpn will help with lag spikes if your isp is the issue. since its a distance thing for you then I wouldn't get my hopes up for your latency improving a lot. you can make a trial account with battleping and see if it helps any (if you do choose a washington dc or ny server as its closer to anets servers).

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  • LaFurion.3167LaFurion.3167 Member ✭✭✭

    Thanks for all the info guys. I'll give a fee different ones a try when I get home tonight; no work for 2 days :D so will be on guild wars heh.

    Still no Oce players here? Just shy? :/

  • Aaralyna.3104Aaralyna.3104 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I am not sure every player reads every single post in forums. If you want to search for fellow Oce players and ask for their experiences when it comes to connection, you may want to make a post in Players helping players subforum specifically asking for Oce players in the topic title :) And perhaps link them to this forum post.

    I can't believe we wouldn't have any Oce players playing Guild wars 1/2 :)

  • mauried.5608mauried.5608 Member ✭✭✭

    Im in Australia, and my ping times are around 250 - 350 most of the time , you wont get much better.

  • I'm curious from a technical perspective how can a VPN improve latency? When I think of a VPN, I think of my endpoint device and the VPN server setting up an encrypted connection, and all packets get encrypted/decrypted on both ends of that tunnel. Then the traffic goes from the VPN server to the final destination, which in this case is the GW2 server. Even if the network path was about the same, that added encrypt/decrypt has got to be adding some overhead, and your physical connection out of your house is still being used and leveraging a VPN doesn't help with that unless your ISP is willing to apply some kind of quality of service prioritization to those packets.

  • mauried.5608mauried.5608 Member ✭✭✭

    VPNs only help if your ISP doesnt use an optimum route to the US, and some dont as they can buy cable capacity cheaper if they go via Singapore which adds more hops to the route.
    Latency is a function of the total distance and the number of routers between you and the target destination.
    But nevertheless, you wont get much improvement.

  • @mauried.5608 said:
    VPNs only help if your ISP doesnt use an optimum route to the US, and some dont as they can buy cable capacity cheaper if they go via Singapore which adds more hops to the route.
    Latency is a function of the total distance and the number of routers between you and the target destination.
    But nevertheless, you wont get much improvement.

    It really depends on the player, their ISP, and their VPN. Some people see lower ping after using VPN. Some see more consistent ping. And some don't.


    I couldnt log on! When I entered my password and details it wouldnt let me log on, and interestingly enough it wouldnt let me log in to the forums either.

    It's possible you have to authorize the new networks. In effect, you'll be appearing to ANet servers as if from a different IP address and you might need to confirm that it's you.

    You can do this from the account page:
    http://account.arena.net/

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  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm in gold coast qld Australia, playing in EU server since beta. My ping is 400 to 600. Mostly 400. Moved to NA for a week in the first week of raid w4 released and w5. That one week I get to play with 300ping it was a lot lighter. More forgiving with dodge and jumps less latency issue. We moved back to EU once we got what we need done for raid achievements. Tried VPN, it didn't improve much plus it was a trial program and have to pay after so we couldn't be bothered. We are OK with 400 ping average. A little cripple but we get everything we need done.

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  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    NA servers are in Virginia, actually. They used to be in Texas, though.

    So, when did they have AWS switch from the New York data center to Virginia(unless all the mention of New York when they first switched to AWS was bogus)?

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  • The Devs never said New York. Not sure where you got that from.

  • gimo.3281gimo.3281 Member ✭✭
    edited December 20, 2018

    a theoretical way that vpn can improve latency is like when your vpn uses like crazy korean fiber optic speeds route to the destination, from your slow as turtle internet speed. like say if your internet speed is only 5 mbps and your vpn towards the endpoint is like 1k mbps, cut your connection in half (or even lesser) and boost that with the vpn speed. (the formula is even exponential). so yea. you can even round that off and your isp is cancelled out. it is like your vpn is now your isp.

    and yea, even if that's the case, the vpn will charge you MORE (probably wayyyyyyy more than your internet subscription) coz they are using ultra high bandwidth just to boost your slow-@ss internet. it's impractical, but possible.

    the only way that this could be realized is that if communism wins.

  • Towelie.9504Towelie.9504 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 20, 2018

    @LaFurion.3167 said:
    Hello. I play from New Zealand, and my average ping is usually 240 to 270.

    I see a lot of VPN usage in games that I play; it seems to be a new fad currently. Particularly from OCE players in Pubg, and WoW.

    Can I use VPN for guild wars 2, 1)without being at risk of ban or punishment from a net, and 2) to effectively reduce my latency? VPN costs a few dollars a month which I wouldn't mind paying as long as it shaves off a chunk of ping.

    I play on Sea of Sorrows server.

    Any help or advice would be appreciated, particularly from fellow OCE players who have experimented with this. As stated above my 2 concerns are effectiveness of the VPN, and potentially being banned or something.

    Thanks in advance.

    1) No company is ever going to punish anyone for using a VPN. That said, some countries like the UAE punish/disallow these but that's only if you actually are living/staying in the UAE and even then I do it quite often whenever I am there and have never been hunted down.
    2) VPNs reducing latency to GW2 is entirely up to the VPN you choose, and possibly the routing you set it (e.g. some VPNs like PIA allow you to select which endpoint your traffic will exit on), so while you may now have better latency to American servers which are AWS instances located in Virginia, you could suffer additional lag elsewhere to more local destinations (e.g. rather than using a google.com that's near NZ, you would be using a google.com that's near the endpoint of your VPN, thus now you not only get the USA version of google but you have additional latency to using google as well).

  • Towelie.9504Towelie.9504 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 20, 2018

    @gimo.3281 said:
    a theoretical way that vpn can improve latency is like when your vpn uses like crazy korean fiber optic speeds route to the destination, from your slow as turtle internet speed. like say if your internet speed is only 5 mbps and your vpn towards the endpoint is like 1k mbps, cut your connection in half (or even lesser) and boost that with the vpn speed. (the formula is even exponential). so yea. you can even round that off and your isp is cancelled out. it is like your vpn is now your isp.

    and yea, even if that's the case, the vpn will charge you MORE (probably wayyyyyyy more than your internet subscription) coz they are using ultra high bandwidth just to boost your slow-@ss internet. it's impractical, but possible.

    the only way that this could be realized is that if communism wins.

    Not only that, but VPNs allow you to manipulate routing in kind of a backwards, uncontrollable way and some of those core ISPs will give Layer 3/4 encrypted traffic higher priority just based on their QoS policies.

    Most VPNs are going to cut your throughput by 30% at a minimum if not more, as your encapsulating your data into encrypted packets which have higher overheads and of course could have congestion on their own network. This isn't that much of a concern for gaming though, you only really need at best 1-2 Mbps of throughput available for GW2 at most unless your patching updates. Gaming is all about latency, the actual throughput when using GW2 is small (just barely in the Kbps most of the time).

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LaFurion.3167 said:
    snips

    just curious if you tried battleping or not and your results.

    Te lazla otstara.

  • Just recently had my account temporarily banned for playing through a VPN and thought I should share the Support Team comments (name redacted, emphasis mine):

    " xxxxxx (Guild Wars 2 Support)

    Jun 27, 2020, 11:05 AM PDT
    Hello,

    Thank you for your patience while we looked into your issue.

    It appears this account was caught in our regular account security review. After thoroughly reviewing this account I have decided to remove the block that was placed on it. You may now access our services again.

    If you are accessing our services using a VPN/proxy, please understand that we do not condone, nor do we support their usage. While we do not prohibit the use of these services we have found them to be directly associated to malicious and fraudulent activity. As such, continued use may result in additional blocks placed on the account.

    If you should need further assistance, please feel free to reach out to us!

    Regards,

    xxxxxx
    Guild Wars 2 Support Team
    http://help.guildwars2.com/"

  • Inculpatus cedo.9234Inculpatus cedo.9234 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The Official Knowledge Base (and some Devs) also state that using a VPN can be helpful and suggest doing so.
    https://help.guildwars2.com/hc/en-us/articles/360045462814-Network-Connection-FAQ- (Scroll down to VPN.)

    You will also find the same disclaimer (more or less). ArenaNet will not 'support' 3rd-party programs, and there's always a chance something can go wrong.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Lots of people play with VPN's so it shouldnt be a problem.

  • @stoicarc.7194 said:
    Just recently had my account temporarily banned for playing through a VPN and thought I should share the Support Team comments (name redacted, emphasis mine):

    " xxxxxx (Guild Wars 2 Support)

    Jun 27, 2020, 11:05 AM PDT
    Hello,

    Thank you for your patience while we looked into your issue.

    It appears this account was caught in our regular account security review. After thoroughly reviewing this account I have decided to remove the block that was placed on it. You may now access our services again.

    If you are accessing our services using a VPN/proxy, please understand that we do not condone, nor do we support their usage. While we do not prohibit the use of these services we have found them to be directly associated to malicious and fraudulent activity. As such, continued use may result in additional blocks placed on the account.

    If you should need further assistance, please feel free to reach out to us!

    Regards,

    xxxxxx
    Guild Wars 2 Support Team
    http://help.guildwars2.com/"

    Funnily, while playing LotRO a huge IP range of my ISP was banned and I was unable to reach their servers for nearly 3 months. I had to use a VPN to be able to play during that time. My account was fine, I've never so much as received a warning in any online game ever, but someone must have done something bad who lived in the same city as me.

    IP bans are silly and pointless. Mac address bans are nearly as pointless since you can literally change your Mac address in your network controller properties.

  • KrHome.1920KrHome.1920 Member ✭✭✭✭

    VPNs can cause security issues when your account is registered in a certain country and the VPN fakes your origin to another country. Your account might be disabled as the security software thinks your account has been hacked from a person in another region of the world.

    VPN does not generally improve your ping. It can even make your ping worse and in pretty much any case it does drastically lower your bandwith.

    It all depends on the routing of your ISP to the Guild Wars 2 servers. If this routing is already optimal (the shortest possible travel distance for the signal) then a VPN can do exactly nothing (!) to improve your ping.

    I highly doubt that a better ping than 200 from new zealand to northern america is even possible. There exists already a short distance cable "New Zealand > Hawaii > Los Angeles" and using that connection a ping of 200 can be expected. A VPN can not overcome the speed of light.

  • TheQuickFox.3826TheQuickFox.3826 Member ✭✭✭✭

    A VPN will only add latency due to the overhead. The data still has to move from your server to ArenaNet's server and back. And a VPN adds another party to this. And packets are encapsulated which also adds data to the stream. It will not reduce latency.

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