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After 5 years, I created a thief and I'm learning thief and engineer right now.

ybintell.1984ybintell.1984 Member ✭✭
edited December 16, 2018 in Elementalist

As I've already stated in this thread (https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/63342/im-getting-fed-up-with-seeing-other-classes-generating-20-stacks-of-might-without-having-to-combo#latest), I got tired of being beaten by other classes that don't have to sacrifice any tankiness to get damage because they can generate and maintain 15+ stacks of might without having to blast/leap finish within combo fields. I am tired of fighting Warriors who run at me with 25 stacks of might immediately upon entering combat. I'm tired of being beaten and made to feel unskilled by power necros maintaining 20 stacks of might without comboing. I'm tired of being beaten by tanky classes that also do more damage than me, a scholar profession wearing light armour.

I am a scholar class wearing light armour. I am ENTITLED to do more damage. I am the one who should be generating 25 stacks of might at the press of a button. Certainly NOT a Warrior.

I'm tired of being the only scholar profession that does no damage. I'm tired of being the only scholar profession with no builtin surivability. I'm tired of having to micromanage too many aspects of my class in order to perform on par with other classes that have lower cooldowns on their critical skills and much faster casting times. I'm tired of theorycrafting new builds all the time.

@Cellofrag.4057 discovered the Rune of Evasion build, but I had already theorycrafted it at least 6 months ago and had been using it and I discarded it because I needed more damage. I crafted Rune of Evasion long before Cellofrag discovered it. Anybody telling me that I haven't done my homework is wrong.

Elementalist is a worthless class. Let's stop being delusional. I'm learning thief. Elementalist has been trash for 5 years. Nothing is going to change. This video () was made over 5 years ago, and Elementalist is still trash. They don't care. Stop feeling hope or thinking it's going to change. Elementalist is going to be the underclass forever.

I'm done being the loser, I want to win and I want to feel good and I want to have the experience of knowing that when I spent 50 minutes playing yesterday, at least 60-70% of that was at least spent winning. If I'm going to be wasting time on a video game, I should at least be winning in that time that I put into the game. What's the point in playing a video game if you're losing in real life and ALSO losing in the game too? That's just dumb. I'm not dumb.

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  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You will probably want to play holosmith as it will have enough buttons like ele to not feel one dimensional.

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • I share your pain. However, I play ele because it is more fun than other professions. Winning is my goal, but I don't mind to have a low ratio as long as I get fun while playing.
    I remembered loosing all my games at starcraft 1 release because terrans were UP at that time. It didn't stop me from playing a loosing race because I enjoyed every games I lost.

    If winning is all that matter, you should pick top pvp professions or play offline games. Even if ele were good, you could still face more skilled players and loose no matter what.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Aigleborgne.2981 said:
    I share your pain. However, I play ele because it is more fun than other professions. Winning is my goal, but I don't mind to have a low ratio as long as I get fun while playing.
    I remembered loosing all my games at starcraft 1 release because terrans were UP at that time. It didn't stop me from playing a loosing race because I enjoyed every games I lost.

    If winning is all that matter, you should pick top pvp professions or play offline games. Even if ele were good, you could still face more skilled players and loose no matter what.

    That fine until you have to play with other ppl who dont want eles any more. Its nice to just 1v1 for fun not to always win but your not 1v1 your playing with a group. If your on ele after the countess nerfs your more harmful for the group then good. You are actively "meme" ppl by playing ele.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • The problem with Cellofrags build is it is only good at trolling points..
    And due to him being so skilled it seems better than it is.
    One mistake and you are dead.

    I would like the minor master to grant 200 vitality, and 10% of your total vitality is converted to power and toughness.

    The Minor Grand master could then inherit the old minor master.
    Than would grant Weaver a bit more breathing room.

    Masters fortitude could be replaced with Masters touch: After using your dual skill you can access to your main elements 3rd skill for 5 sec. Increase the range of dual skill by 100ft.

  • @Alatar.7364 said:
    Just came here to say that you did not discover anything about Rune of Evasion, it was 1xcondi Clear every 10 seconds on Dodge roll. The new reworked rune of evasion (the useful one) was a multiple (up to all) condi clear for every dodge skill, not just 1xper dodge roll.

    Claiming you discovered the Rune of Evasion build six months ago is silly, as it was literally complete garbage so nobody used it and it did not work at all the same way as it did before 1icd which made it actually useful.

    And yet I crafted the runes and tried them out either way and used that build back when it granted swiftness after dodgeroll because it still made sense back then as well because swiftness cleanses conditions with the weaver grandmaster trait.

    Sit back down.

  • ybintell.1984ybintell.1984 Member ✭✭
    edited December 18, 2018

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @ybintell.1984 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:
    Just came here to say that you did not discover anything about Rune of Evasion, it was 1xcondi Clear every 10 seconds on Dodge roll. The new reworked rune of evasion (the useful one) was a multiple (up to all) condi clear for every dodge skill, not just 1xper dodge roll.

    Claiming you discovered the Rune of Evasion build six months ago is silly, as it was literally complete garbage so nobody used it and it did not work at all the same way as it did before 1icd which made it actually useful.

    And yet I crafted the runes and tried them out either way and used that build back when it granted swiftness after dodgeroll because it still made sense back then as well because swiftness cleanses conditions with the weaver grandmaster trait.

    Sit back down.

    You're missing the point.
    You didn't theorycraft the Rune of Evasion build at all because it was before the Sigils Rework so it literally could not exist.
    Pretending that you "invented" it long before someone else is blatant lie because you took something that had nothing to do with the actual Evasion build and was completely useless (everybody knew it).

    "I invented a build that cleanses one condi every ten seconds so it must be the same as a build based on different mechanic that cleanses all conditions on any evading skill, so logical I must have invented an unknown build 6 months from now!" Really... once again, everyone knew about the rune and nobody used it because it was useless, don't try to take credit from people who made an actually useful build when the rune was reworked.

    No, it wasn't useless: It was a consistent extra condition cleanse every 10 seconds without having to switch into water. It was more than a good idea. The fact that there was a stronger version of it due to a subsequent change doesn't change the fact that I DID theorycraft it and I DID the research on all the runes, and I LOOKED for synergetic runes and I thought hard about how to make my weaver more viable, and I found it, and I put in the effort and TRIED it.

    So yes, I absolutely DID theorycraft it on my own, 6 months ago. Subsequent changes don't nullify the fact that it absolutely was a condi cleanse; the fact that the condi cleansing became stronger with a subsequent patch doesn't cancel the thrust of my argument: I have personally put in the effort into thinking about how to make my weaver work.

    So once again: get off my back and sit back down.

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ybintell.1984 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @ybintell.1984 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:
    Just came here to say that you did not discover anything about Rune of Evasion, it was 1xcondi Clear every 10 seconds on Dodge roll. The new reworked rune of evasion (the useful one) was a multiple (up to all) condi clear for every dodge skill, not just 1xper dodge roll.

    Claiming you discovered the Rune of Evasion build six months ago is silly, as it was literally complete garbage so nobody used it and it did not work at all the same way as it did before 1icd which made it actually useful.

    And yet I crafted the runes and tried them out either way and used that build back when it granted swiftness after dodgeroll because it still made sense back then as well because swiftness cleanses conditions with the weaver grandmaster trait.

    Sit back down.

    You're missing the point.
    You didn't theorycraft the Rune of Evasion build at all because it was before the Sigils Rework so it literally could not exist.
    Pretending that you "invented" it long before someone else is blatant lie because you took something that had nothing to do with the actual Evasion build and was completely useless (everybody knew it).

    "I invented a build that cleanses one condi every ten seconds so it must be the same as a build based on different mechanic that cleanses all conditions on any evading skill, so logical I must have invented an unknown build 6 months from now!" Really... once again, everyone knew about the rune and nobody used it because it was useless, don't try to take credit from people who made an actually useful build when the rune was reworked.

    So once again: get off my back and sit back down.

    Cute that you're taking it so personally.
    I don't think you know what theorycraft is.

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • @Alatar.7364 I don't really know what you're expecting. I made a fairly frustrated, bitter thread, and I explained that I've played this class for 5 years, and I've tried tonnes of different builds, runes, etc.

    I mention that included in the set of things I've theorycrafted and tried is the rune of evasion build which I had theorycrafted on my own and tried, before the rework, to see how good it would be. I made this statement as an example of the amount of thought I put into the class and trying to make it work.

    You decide to latch onto that and make it your opportunity to look cool and edgy by pointing out the obvious: that the reworked Rune of Evasion effect was stronger than the pre-rework Rune of Evasion effect.

    What kind of reaction were you expecting from me? Warmth?

  • Zhaid Zhem.6508Zhaid Zhem.6508 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2018

    Rune of evasion in the mender sword build has been on metabattle before patch, and before they suggest Rune of Leadership etc.
    Because it also gave Fury and crippled enemies.

    Edit : And I'm also a bit bothered by people who claims they "invented" thing in GW2. Mostly when it's just a rune or a trait change. At the very best they were the first to use it or to popularize, but people would discover by themself too.
    I change runes, sigil and amulet every day, I try different specs too, I don't feel like I'm creating new things. I mean there are 7 specs, 3 at once, some specs, traits and combination are more obvious, more effective; there are a lot of runes and sigils, but when you specialize or even if you're trying a niche build (like Aura, or Burning...) it restricts the choice ... there are not that many possibilities. Even if you discover builds by yourself it's pretty sure others already have, or will too. After that it's just a question of preference and skillful.

  • @ybintell.1984 said:
    As I've already stated in this thread (https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/63342/im-getting-fed-up-with-seeing-other-classes-generating-20-stacks-of-might-without-having-to-combo#latest), I got tired of being beaten by other classes that don't have to sacrifice any tankiness to get damage because they can generate and maintain 15+ stacks of might without having to blast/leap finish within combo fields. I am tired of fighting Warriors who run at me with 25 stacks of might immediately upon entering combat. I'm tired of being beaten and made to feel unskilled by power necros maintaining 20 stacks of might without comboing. I'm tired of being beaten by tanky classes that also do more damage than me, a scholar profession wearing light armour.

    I am a scholar class wearing light armour. I am ENTITLED to do more damage. I am the one who should be generating 25 stacks of might at the press of a button. Certainly NOT a Warrior.

    I'm tired of being the only scholar profession that does no damage. I'm tired of being the only scholar profession with no builtin surivability. I'm tired of having to micromanage too many aspects of my class in order to perform on par with other classes that have lower cooldowns on their critical skills and much faster casting times. I'm tired of theorycrafting new builds all the time.

    @Cellofrag.4057 discovered the Rune of Evasion build, but I had already theorycrafted it at least 6 months ago and had been using it and I discarded it because I needed more damage. I crafted Rune of Evasion long before Cellofrag discovered it. Anybody telling me that I haven't done my homework is wrong.

    Elementalist is a worthless class. Let's stop being delusional. I'm learning thief. Elementalist has been trash for 5 years. Nothing is going to change. This video () was made over 5 years ago, and Elementalist is still trash. They don't care. Stop feeling hope or thinking it's going to change. Elementalist is going to be the underclass forever.

    I'm done being the loser, I want to win and I want to feel good and I want to have the experience of knowing that when I spent 50 minutes playing yesterday, at least 60-70% of that was at least spent winning. If I'm going to be wasting time on a video game, I should at least be winning in that time that I put into the game. What's the point in playing a video game if you're losing in real life and ALSO losing in the game too? That's just dumb. I'm not dumb.

    made over 5 years ago and still trash? there was a time in which DD cele ele was king.

  • Could't agree more. I get twice the health and more damage in normal gameplay as a revenant with a similar playstyle and I don't have to deal with the terrible balance. And I'm talking about revenant that has like 3 "meta" builds for all its gamemodes.

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭

    Honestly I would go with revenant or engineer rather than thief , maybe even firebrand (nerfed recently though). Thief is rather skill spam due to initiative mechanic, whereas revenant and engineer get their extra skills from kits/toolkit plus legends respectively. Revenant has its own problem in that utilities are rigid in nature but at least you get 2 legends.

  • @Infusion.7149 said:
    Honestly I would go with revenant or engineer rather than thief , maybe even firebrand (nerfed recently though). Thief is rather skill spam due to initiative mechanic, whereas revenant and engineer get their extra skills from kits/toolkit plus legends respectively. Revenant has its own problem in that utilities are rigid in nature but at least you get 2 legends.

    I ended up joining the S o u l t r a I n

  • Axl.8924Axl.8924 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Aigleborgne.2981 said:
    I share your pain. However, I play ele because it is more fun than other professions. Winning is my goal, but I don't mind to have a low ratio as long as I get fun while playing.
    I remembered loosing all my games at starcraft 1 release because terrans were UP at that time. It didn't stop me from playing a loosing race because I enjoyed every games I lost.

    If winning is all that matter, you should pick top pvp professions or play offline games. Even if ele were good, you could still face more skilled players and loose no matter what.

    That fine until you have to play with other ppl who dont want eles any more. Its nice to just 1v1 for fun not to always win but your not 1v1 your playing with a group. If your on ele after the countess nerfs your more harmful for the group then good. You are actively "meme" ppl by playing ele.

    does that go for only spvp or spvp and WVW?

    Here is my list of characters i got so far:

    Elementalist 80 with tempest:Talman nul
    Necromancer 80 with reaper:Zex vokar
    Mesmer level 80 no chrono yet:Klanga voosh.
    Level 80 Ranger with druid spec Jedkhan.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Aigleborgne.2981 said:
    I share your pain. However, I play ele because it is more fun than other professions. Winning is my goal, but I don't mind to have a low ratio as long as I get fun while playing.
    I remembered loosing all my games at starcraft 1 release because terrans were UP at that time. It didn't stop me from playing a loosing race because I enjoyed every games I lost.

    If winning is all that matter, you should pick top pvp professions or play offline games. Even if ele were good, you could still face more skilled players and loose no matter what.

    That fine until you have to play with other ppl who dont want eles any more. Its nice to just 1v1 for fun not to always win but your not 1v1 your playing with a group. If your on ele after the countess nerfs your more harmful for the group then good. You are actively "meme" ppl by playing ele.

    does that go for only spvp or spvp and WVW?

    Both i would say as spvp is 5 ppl (worst here) and wvw 50 or more (not as bad and a lot less control but it will get worst soon) and no one likes to be left out in the cold of groups when your not the right build or the right classed needed.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Aigleborgne.2981 said:
    I share your pain. However, I play ele because it is more fun than other professions. Winning is my goal, but I don't mind to have a low ratio as long as I get fun while playing.
    I remembered loosing all my games at starcraft 1 release because terrans were UP at that time. It didn't stop me from playing a loosing race because I enjoyed every games I lost.

    If winning is all that matter, you should pick top pvp professions or play offline games. Even if ele were good, you could still face more skilled players and loose no matter what.

    That fine until you have to play with other ppl who dont want eles any more. Its nice to just 1v1 for fun not to always win but your not 1v1 your playing with a group. If your on ele after the countess nerfs your more harmful for the group then good. You are actively "meme" ppl by playing ele.

    does that go for only spvp or spvp and WVW?

    Ele still does pretty well in large wvw blobs (dps weaver or heal temp), especially when you have more of them (but not too many). Roaming is pretty sad on ele though, unless you're playing minstrel temp with a group.

    Deso's favorite FROG
    Master of afk and kiting
    The God of Pips and Gud Deeps
    Froggo himself

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Aigleborgne.2981 said:
    I share your pain. However, I play ele because it is more fun than other professions. Winning is my goal, but I don't mind to have a low ratio as long as I get fun while playing.
    I remembered loosing all my games at starcraft 1 release because terrans were UP at that time. It didn't stop me from playing a loosing race because I enjoyed every games I lost.

    If winning is all that matter, you should pick top pvp professions or play offline games. Even if ele were good, you could still face more skilled players and loose no matter what.

    That fine until you have to play with other ppl who dont want eles any more. Its nice to just 1v1 for fun not to always win but your not 1v1 your playing with a group. If your on ele after the countess nerfs your more harmful for the group then good. You are actively "meme" ppl by playing ele.

    does that go for only spvp or spvp and WVW?

    Ele still does pretty well in large wvw blobs (dps weaver or heal temp), especially when you have more of them (but not too many). Roaming is pretty sad on ele though, unless you're playing minstrel temp with a group.

    Its competing with rev and now that rev can support 10 targets and do dmg at the same time and is much harder to kill keeps ele sub par in wvw blobs. Wvw meta is 3 classes and one elite skill. Healing tempest is just not there yet no stab support realty holds it back. Roaming bruiser builds are not bad just sub par that just ele right now every thing is sub par and its lacking may effects.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Aigleborgne.2981 said:
    I share your pain. However, I play ele because it is more fun than other professions. Winning is my goal, but I don't mind to have a low ratio as long as I get fun while playing.
    I remembered loosing all my games at starcraft 1 release because terrans were UP at that time. It didn't stop me from playing a loosing race because I enjoyed every games I lost.

    If winning is all that matter, you should pick top pvp professions or play offline games. Even if ele were good, you could still face more skilled players and loose no matter what.

    That fine until you have to play with other ppl who dont want eles any more. Its nice to just 1v1 for fun not to always win but your not 1v1 your playing with a group. If your on ele after the countess nerfs your more harmful for the group then good. You are actively "meme" ppl by playing ele.

    does that go for only spvp or spvp and WVW?

    Ele still does pretty well in large wvw blobs (dps weaver or heal temp), especially when you have more of them (but not too many). Roaming is pretty sad on ele though, unless you're playing minstrel temp with a group.

    Its competing with rev and now that rev can support 10 targets and do dmg at the same time and is much harder to kill keeps ele sub par in wvw blobs. Wvw meta is 3 classes and one elite skill. Healing tempest is just not there yet no stab support realty holds it back. Roaming bruiser builds are not bad just sub par that just ele right now every thing is sub par and its lacking may effects.

    Rev cant compete in choke fights with ele, 2 eles can wipe almost whole squad in any lords room/bridge. Just like it cant compete when you have 5-10 eles for open field, constantly dropping meteors. As well as some weird terrain spots/ledges where revs can't hit their CoR. It's just more reliable because damage comes from short cd skills, but it has less damage potential making them fairly balanced in comparison.

    Rev being able to support 10 people would mean that you can swap a few revs for eles because you don't need to overstack same 3 boons for no reason.

    You don't play tempest for stab anyway. Just like you don't play herald/scrapper for stab either. They are heal/cleanse bots with some utility on the side. None of them are sub par, they are just not needed in big amounts. 2-3 per 50 is usually enough because they can affect more than 5 people unlike fb. Tempest is also the only support besides chrono who has actual CC.

    Just because it's not stacked in every group and not providing stab, doesn't mean it's sub par. Druid is sub par, the healers I mentioned are pretty strong.

    Deso's favorite FROG
    Master of afk and kiting
    The God of Pips and Gud Deeps
    Froggo himself

  • Dace.8173Dace.8173 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 24, 2018

    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Noticed recently that every sub is full with "this class is anet's least favorite child" posts. When you see mesmer mains complaining how their class sucks, you've seen everything.

    Necro is broken in wvw/pvp but needs babysitter. Ele has op sustain in pvp but does no damage. Every class has something broken and something worthless, there's no point of comparing the opposite ones from different classes, which is quite common sadly.

    It would be same like druid complaining how he's useless in wvw when soulbeast can kill players with 2-3 autos.

    Deso's favorite FROG
    Master of afk and kiting
    The God of Pips and Gud Deeps
    Froggo himself

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Has not been top for years now its been bottom and its only getting worst. Ele was topped because there was not as much boon spam back then but now there is so you need to be part of that boon spam (ele is not) or part of the counter (ele is not that too). It use to be ele has the best protection support in the game and it was never perma. Now its a joke to not have perma protection lol.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Dace.8173Dace.8173 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Noticed recently that every sub is full with "this class is anet's least favorite child" posts. When you see mesmer mains complaining how their class sucks, you've seen everything.

    Necro is broken in wvw/pvp but needs babysitter. Ele has op sustain in pvp but does no damage. Every class has something broken and something worthless, there's no point of comparing the opposite ones from different classes, which is quite common sadly.

    It would be same like druid complaining how he's useless in wvw when soulbeast can kill players with 2-3 autos.

    Yeah, everyone thinks ANet hates them. Untrue but that doesn't stop them from saying as much.

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Has not been top for years now its been bottom and its only getting worst. Ele was topped because there was not as much boon spam back then but now there is so you need to be part of that boon spam (ele is not) or part of the counter (ele is not that too). It use to be ele has the best protection support in the game and it was never perma. Now its a joke to not have perma protection lol.

    There is more to this game than being at the top. Necromancer has spent 6 years at the bottom. So to parade around as if Elementalist is the all time worse is just silly. I get the frustration when things aren't going well. But its hard to take that concern silly when you ignore the fact that you have spent less time at the bottom than others but want to act like you have it the worst.

  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 24, 2018

    @Dace.8173 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Has not been top for years now its been bottom and its only getting worst. Ele was topped because there was not as much boon spam back then but now there is so you need to be part of that boon spam (ele is not) or part of the counter (ele is not that too). It use to be ele has the best protection support in the game and it was never perma. Now its a joke to not have perma protection lol.

    There is more to this game than being at the top. Necromancer has spent 6 years at the bottom. So to parade around as if Elementalist is the all time worse is just silly. I get the frustration when things aren't going well. But its hard to take that concern silly when you ignore the fact that you have spent less time at the bottom than others but want to act like you have it the worst.

    It's hard to say necro has spent 6 years at the bottom. Reaper and Scourge have held very dominating positions for rather long periods of time, and are performing quite decently right now. On top? Maybe not, but I would argue that necro is also one of the easiest classes to be pretty good at, so it really shouldn't be on top.

    Every class has had some time in the limelight. The trick is making sure nothing is too far below acceptable levels.

    The great god Lagki demands sacrifice!

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dace.8173 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Noticed recently that every sub is full with "this class is anet's least favorite child" posts. When you see mesmer mains complaining how their class sucks, you've seen everything.

    Necro is broken in wvw/pvp but needs babysitter. Ele has op sustain in pvp but does no damage. Every class has something broken and something worthless, there's no point of comparing the opposite ones from different classes, which is quite common sadly.

    It would be same like druid complaining how he's useless in wvw when soulbeast can kill players with 2-3 autos.

    Yeah, everyone thinks ANet hates them. Untrue but that doesn't stop them from saying as much.

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Has not been top for years now its been bottom and its only getting worst. Ele was topped because there was not as much boon spam back then but now there is so you need to be part of that boon spam (ele is not) or part of the counter (ele is not that too). It use to be ele has the best protection support in the game and it was never perma. Now its a joke to not have perma protection lol.

    There is more to this game than being at the top. Necromancer has spent 6 years at the bottom. So to parade around as if Elementalist is the all time worse is just silly. I get the frustration when things aren't going well. But its hard to take that concern silly when you ignore the fact that you have spent less time at the bottom than others but want to act like you have it the worst.

    Core necro but reaper was top for a very long time all of hot realy then it got nerf for scorge and now scorge is top nice to see them update core and reaper kind of but still behind scorge. Ele tempest have not been giving the same treatment and weaver only been nerfed.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Noticed recently that every sub is full with "this class is anet's least favorite child" posts. When you see mesmer mains complaining how their class sucks, you've seen everything.

    Necro is broken in wvw/pvp but needs babysitter. Ele has op sustain in pvp but does no damage. Every class has something broken and something worthless, there's no point of comparing the opposite ones from different classes, which is quite common sadly.

    It would be same like druid complaining how he's useless in wvw when soulbeast can kill players with 2-3 autos.

    Yeah, everyone thinks ANet hates them. Untrue but that doesn't stop them from saying as much.

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Has not been top for years now its been bottom and its only getting worst. Ele was topped because there was not as much boon spam back then but now there is so you need to be part of that boon spam (ele is not) or part of the counter (ele is not that too). It use to be ele has the best protection support in the game and it was never perma. Now its a joke to not have perma protection lol.

    There is more to this game than being at the top. Necromancer has spent 6 years at the bottom. So to parade around as if Elementalist is the all time worse is just silly. I get the frustration when things aren't going well. But its hard to take that concern silly when you ignore the fact that you have spent less time at the bottom than others but want to act like you have it the worst.

    Core necro but reaper was top for a very long time all of hot realy then it got nerf for scorge and now scorge is top nice to see them update core and reaper kind of but still behind scorge. Ele tempest have not been giving the same treatment and weaver only been nerfed.

    There is often a need to put things into perspective. So let's be more accurate:

    • The necromancer have been on top of WvW zergling since release.
    • The necromancer have been pretty average in PvP (small scale PvP fight) since release with some short outstanding windows.
    • The necromancer is a black sheep in PvE since release and only shined when he lowered himself to exploit unintended mechanisms.

    On the other hand:

    • The elementalist have been good but not outstanding in WvW zergling since release.
    • The elementalist have had great result in PvP (small scale PvP fight) in the vanilla game, was a great support in these fight in HoT and struggle in PoF to find it's place.
    • The elementalist have been god amongst human in PvE in the vanilla game, outshined most profession in HoT and still stand strong in PoF.

    Both professions are frustrating to play when duelling which is what irks the most the players of both professions. That said, it's probably more frustrating for the elementalist to suck at duelling because they used to be good at it, while the necromancer never was "good" at duelling.

    NB.: It's better to never use WvW roaming (FFA) as a scale of whether or not an e-spec is balanced. After all, until PoF WvW was basically balanced with PvE as it's standard while players focused on fighting other players. Even now, it's hard to say that there is enough balance split there for WvW to be balanced.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dadnir.5038 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Noticed recently that every sub is full with "this class is anet's least favorite child" posts. When you see mesmer mains complaining how their class sucks, you've seen everything.

    Necro is broken in wvw/pvp but needs babysitter. Ele has op sustain in pvp but does no damage. Every class has something broken and something worthless, there's no point of comparing the opposite ones from different classes, which is quite common sadly.

    It would be same like druid complaining how he's useless in wvw when soulbeast can kill players with 2-3 autos.

    Yeah, everyone thinks ANet hates them. Untrue but that doesn't stop them from saying as much.

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Has not been top for years now its been bottom and its only getting worst. Ele was topped because there was not as much boon spam back then but now there is so you need to be part of that boon spam (ele is not) or part of the counter (ele is not that too). It use to be ele has the best protection support in the game and it was never perma. Now its a joke to not have perma protection lol.

    There is more to this game than being at the top. Necromancer has spent 6 years at the bottom. So to parade around as if Elementalist is the all time worse is just silly. I get the frustration when things aren't going well. But its hard to take that concern silly when you ignore the fact that you have spent less time at the bottom than others but want to act like you have it the worst.

    Core necro but reaper was top for a very long time all of hot realy then it got nerf for scorge and now scorge is top nice to see them update core and reaper kind of but still behind scorge. Ele tempest have not been giving the same treatment and weaver only been nerfed.

    There is often a need to put things into perspective. So let's be more accurate:

    • The necromancer have been on top of WvW zergling since release.
    • The necromancer have been pretty average in PvP (small scale PvP fight) since release with some short outstanding windows.
    • The necromancer is a black sheep in PvE since release and only shined when he lowered himself to exploit unintended mechanisms.

    On the other hand:

    • The elementalist have been good but not outstanding in WvW zergling since release.
    • The elementalist have had great result in PvP (small scale PvP fight) in the vanilla game, was a great support in these fight in HoT and struggle in PoF to find it's place.
    • The elementalist have been god amongst human in PvE in the vanilla game, outshined most profession in HoT and still stand strong in PoF.

    Both professions are frustrating to play when duelling which is what irks the most the players of both professions. That said, it's probably more frustrating for the elementalist to suck at duelling because they used to be good at it, while the necromancer never was "good" at duelling.

    NB.: It's better to never use WvW roaming (FFA) as a scale of whether or not an e-spec is balanced. After all, until PoF WvW was basically balanced with PvE as it's standard while players focused on fighting other players. Even now, it's hard to say that there is enough balance split there for WvW to be balanced.

    Ele was a ok roaming class for a time then it was a pick then it was pushed out for the most part it made as come back as staff and was good for a time it start to fall off at hot and its been down hill from there.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Axl.8924Axl.8924 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dadnir.5038 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Noticed recently that every sub is full with "this class is anet's least favorite child" posts. When you see mesmer mains complaining how their class sucks, you've seen everything.

    Necro is broken in wvw/pvp but needs babysitter. Ele has op sustain in pvp but does no damage. Every class has something broken and something worthless, there's no point of comparing the opposite ones from different classes, which is quite common sadly.

    It would be same like druid complaining how he's useless in wvw when soulbeast can kill players with 2-3 autos.

    Yeah, everyone thinks ANet hates them. Untrue but that doesn't stop them from saying as much.

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Has not been top for years now its been bottom and its only getting worst. Ele was topped because there was not as much boon spam back then but now there is so you need to be part of that boon spam (ele is not) or part of the counter (ele is not that too). It use to be ele has the best protection support in the game and it was never perma. Now its a joke to not have perma protection lol.

    There is more to this game than being at the top. Necromancer has spent 6 years at the bottom. So to parade around as if Elementalist is the all time worse is just silly. I get the frustration when things aren't going well. But its hard to take that concern silly when you ignore the fact that you have spent less time at the bottom than others but want to act like you have it the worst.

    Core necro but reaper was top for a very long time all of hot realy then it got nerf for scorge and now scorge is top nice to see them update core and reaper kind of but still behind scorge. Ele tempest have not been giving the same treatment and weaver only been nerfed.

    There is often a need to put things into perspective. So let's be more accurate:

    • The necromancer have been on top of WvW zergling since release.
    • The necromancer have been pretty average in PvP (small scale PvP fight) since release with some short outstanding windows.
    • The necromancer is a black sheep in PvE since release and only shined when he lowered himself to exploit unintended mechanisms.

    On the other hand:

    • The elementalist have been good but not outstanding in WvW zergling since release.
    • The elementalist have had great result in PvP (small scale PvP fight) in the vanilla game, was a great support in these fight in HoT and struggle in PoF to find it's place.
    • The elementalist have been god amongst human in PvE in the vanilla game, outshined most profession in HoT and still stand strong in PoF.

    Both professions are frustrating to play when duelling which is what irks the most the players of both professions. That said, it's probably more frustrating for the elementalist to suck at duelling because they used to be good at it, while the necromancer never was "good" at duelling.

    NB.: It's better to never use WvW roaming (FFA) as a scale of whether or not an e-spec is balanced. After all, until PoF WvW was basically balanced with PvE as it's standard while players focused on fighting other players. Even now, it's hard to say that there is enough balance split there for WvW to be balanced.

    Ele was a ok roaming class for a time then it was a pick then it was pushed out for the most part it made as come back as staff and was good for a time it start to fall off at hot and its been down hill from there.

    Was staff always slow?

    Having a spec that has to channel your spells slowly is definitely something that makes you vulnerable, then again not sure what the pvp build was like in hot era since I didn't pvp for very long as a ele, nor seriously.

    Here is my list of characters i got so far:

    Elementalist 80 with tempest:Talman nul
    Necromancer 80 with reaper:Zex vokar
    Mesmer level 80 no chrono yet:Klanga voosh.
    Level 80 Ranger with druid spec Jedkhan.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dadnir.5038 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Noticed recently that every sub is full with "this class is anet's least favorite child" posts. When you see mesmer mains complaining how their class sucks, you've seen everything.

    Necro is broken in wvw/pvp but needs babysitter. Ele has op sustain in pvp but does no damage. Every class has something broken and something worthless, there's no point of comparing the opposite ones from different classes, which is quite common sadly.

    It would be same like druid complaining how he's useless in wvw when soulbeast can kill players with 2-3 autos.

    Yeah, everyone thinks ANet hates them. Untrue but that doesn't stop them from saying as much.

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Has not been top for years now its been bottom and its only getting worst. Ele was topped because there was not as much boon spam back then but now there is so you need to be part of that boon spam (ele is not) or part of the counter (ele is not that too). It use to be ele has the best protection support in the game and it was never perma. Now its a joke to not have perma protection lol.

    There is more to this game than being at the top. Necromancer has spent 6 years at the bottom. So to parade around as if Elementalist is the all time worse is just silly. I get the frustration when things aren't going well. But its hard to take that concern silly when you ignore the fact that you have spent less time at the bottom than others but want to act like you have it the worst.

    Core necro but reaper was top for a very long time all of hot realy then it got nerf for scorge and now scorge is top nice to see them update core and reaper kind of but still behind scorge. Ele tempest have not been giving the same treatment and weaver only been nerfed.

    There is often a need to put things into perspective. So let's be more accurate:

    • The necromancer have been on top of WvW zergling since release.
    • The necromancer have been pretty average in PvP (small scale PvP fight) since release with some short outstanding windows.
    • The necromancer is a black sheep in PvE since release and only shined when he lowered himself to exploit unintended mechanisms.

    On the other hand:

    • The elementalist have been good but not outstanding in WvW zergling since release.
    • The elementalist have had great result in PvP (small scale PvP fight) in the vanilla game, was a great support in these fight in HoT and struggle in PoF to find it's place.
    • The elementalist have been god amongst human in PvE in the vanilla game, outshined most profession in HoT and still stand strong in PoF.

    Both professions are frustrating to play when duelling which is what irks the most the players of both professions. That said, it's probably more frustrating for the elementalist to suck at duelling because they used to be good at it, while the necromancer never was "good" at duelling.

    NB.: It's better to never use WvW roaming (FFA) as a scale of whether or not an e-spec is balanced. After all, until PoF WvW was basically balanced with PvE as it's standard while players focused on fighting other players. Even now, it's hard to say that there is enough balance split there for WvW to be balanced.

    Ele was a ok roaming class for a time then it was a pick then it was pushed out for the most part it made as come back as staff and was good for a time it start to fall off at hot and its been down hill from there.

    Was staff always slow?

    Having a spec that has to channel your spells slowly is definitely something that makes you vulnerable, then again not sure what the pvp build was like in hot era since I didn't pvp for very long as a ele, nor seriously.

    Players use to move much slower there was no super speed and resistance far less condi clear for soft cc.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Axl.8924Axl.8924 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dadnir.5038 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Noticed recently that every sub is full with "this class is anet's least favorite child" posts. When you see mesmer mains complaining how their class sucks, you've seen everything.

    Necro is broken in wvw/pvp but needs babysitter. Ele has op sustain in pvp but does no damage. Every class has something broken and something worthless, there's no point of comparing the opposite ones from different classes, which is quite common sadly.

    It would be same like druid complaining how he's useless in wvw when soulbeast can kill players with 2-3 autos.

    Yeah, everyone thinks ANet hates them. Untrue but that doesn't stop them from saying as much.

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Has not been top for years now its been bottom and its only getting worst. Ele was topped because there was not as much boon spam back then but now there is so you need to be part of that boon spam (ele is not) or part of the counter (ele is not that too). It use to be ele has the best protection support in the game and it was never perma. Now its a joke to not have perma protection lol.

    There is more to this game than being at the top. Necromancer has spent 6 years at the bottom. So to parade around as if Elementalist is the all time worse is just silly. I get the frustration when things aren't going well. But its hard to take that concern silly when you ignore the fact that you have spent less time at the bottom than others but want to act like you have it the worst.

    Core necro but reaper was top for a very long time all of hot realy then it got nerf for scorge and now scorge is top nice to see them update core and reaper kind of but still behind scorge. Ele tempest have not been giving the same treatment and weaver only been nerfed.

    There is often a need to put things into perspective. So let's be more accurate:

    • The necromancer have been on top of WvW zergling since release.
    • The necromancer have been pretty average in PvP (small scale PvP fight) since release with some short outstanding windows.
    • The necromancer is a black sheep in PvE since release and only shined when he lowered himself to exploit unintended mechanisms.

    On the other hand:

    • The elementalist have been good but not outstanding in WvW zergling since release.
    • The elementalist have had great result in PvP (small scale PvP fight) in the vanilla game, was a great support in these fight in HoT and struggle in PoF to find it's place.
    • The elementalist have been god amongst human in PvE in the vanilla game, outshined most profession in HoT and still stand strong in PoF.

    Both professions are frustrating to play when duelling which is what irks the most the players of both professions. That said, it's probably more frustrating for the elementalist to suck at duelling because they used to be good at it, while the necromancer never was "good" at duelling.

    NB.: It's better to never use WvW roaming (FFA) as a scale of whether or not an e-spec is balanced. After all, until PoF WvW was basically balanced with PvE as it's standard while players focused on fighting other players. Even now, it's hard to say that there is enough balance split there for WvW to be balanced.

    Ele was a ok roaming class for a time then it was a pick then it was pushed out for the most part it made as come back as staff and was good for a time it start to fall off at hot and its been down hill from there.

    Was staff always slow?

    Having a spec that has to channel your spells slowly is definitely something that makes you vulnerable, then again not sure what the pvp build was like in hot era since I didn't pvp for very long as a ele, nor seriously.

    Players use to move much slower there was no super speed and resistance far less condi clear for soft cc.

    Is weaver able to hold up in this new super fast era where you have tons of enemies with blocks? can you even land a kill?

    Here is my list of characters i got so far:

    Elementalist 80 with tempest:Talman nul
    Necromancer 80 with reaper:Zex vokar
    Mesmer level 80 no chrono yet:Klanga voosh.
    Level 80 Ranger with druid spec Jedkhan.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dadnir.5038 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Noticed recently that every sub is full with "this class is anet's least favorite child" posts. When you see mesmer mains complaining how their class sucks, you've seen everything.

    Necro is broken in wvw/pvp but needs babysitter. Ele has op sustain in pvp but does no damage. Every class has something broken and something worthless, there's no point of comparing the opposite ones from different classes, which is quite common sadly.

    It would be same like druid complaining how he's useless in wvw when soulbeast can kill players with 2-3 autos.

    Yeah, everyone thinks ANet hates them. Untrue but that doesn't stop them from saying as much.

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Has not been top for years now its been bottom and its only getting worst. Ele was topped because there was not as much boon spam back then but now there is so you need to be part of that boon spam (ele is not) or part of the counter (ele is not that too). It use to be ele has the best protection support in the game and it was never perma. Now its a joke to not have perma protection lol.

    There is more to this game than being at the top. Necromancer has spent 6 years at the bottom. So to parade around as if Elementalist is the all time worse is just silly. I get the frustration when things aren't going well. But its hard to take that concern silly when you ignore the fact that you have spent less time at the bottom than others but want to act like you have it the worst.

    Core necro but reaper was top for a very long time all of hot realy then it got nerf for scorge and now scorge is top nice to see them update core and reaper kind of but still behind scorge. Ele tempest have not been giving the same treatment and weaver only been nerfed.

    There is often a need to put things into perspective. So let's be more accurate:

    • The necromancer have been on top of WvW zergling since release.
    • The necromancer have been pretty average in PvP (small scale PvP fight) since release with some short outstanding windows.
    • The necromancer is a black sheep in PvE since release and only shined when he lowered himself to exploit unintended mechanisms.

    On the other hand:

    • The elementalist have been good but not outstanding in WvW zergling since release.
    • The elementalist have had great result in PvP (small scale PvP fight) in the vanilla game, was a great support in these fight in HoT and struggle in PoF to find it's place.
    • The elementalist have been god amongst human in PvE in the vanilla game, outshined most profession in HoT and still stand strong in PoF.

    Both professions are frustrating to play when duelling which is what irks the most the players of both professions. That said, it's probably more frustrating for the elementalist to suck at duelling because they used to be good at it, while the necromancer never was "good" at duelling.

    NB.: It's better to never use WvW roaming (FFA) as a scale of whether or not an e-spec is balanced. After all, until PoF WvW was basically balanced with PvE as it's standard while players focused on fighting other players. Even now, it's hard to say that there is enough balance split there for WvW to be balanced.

    Ele was a ok roaming class for a time then it was a pick then it was pushed out for the most part it made as come back as staff and was good for a time it start to fall off at hot and its been down hill from there.

    Was staff always slow?

    Having a spec that has to channel your spells slowly is definitely something that makes you vulnerable, then again not sure what the pvp build was like in hot era since I didn't pvp for very long as a ele, nor seriously.

    Players use to move much slower there was no super speed and resistance far less condi clear for soft cc.

    Is weaver able to hold up in this new super fast era where you have tons of enemies with blocks? can you even land a kill?

    They dont hold up rev dose the weaver job better.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Dace.8173Dace.8173 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vagrant.7206 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Has not been top for years now its been bottom and its only getting worst. Ele was topped because there was not as much boon spam back then but now there is so you need to be part of that boon spam (ele is not) or part of the counter (ele is not that too). It use to be ele has the best protection support in the game and it was never perma. Now its a joke to not have perma protection lol.

    There is more to this game than being at the top. Necromancer has spent 6 years at the bottom. So to parade around as if Elementalist is the all time worse is just silly. I get the frustration when things aren't going well. But its hard to take that concern silly when you ignore the fact that you have spent less time at the bottom than others but want to act like you have it the worst.

    It's hard to say necro has spent 6 years at the bottom. Reaper and Scourge have held very dominating positions for rather long periods of time, and are performing quite decently right now. On top? Maybe not, but I would argue that necro is also one of the easiest classes to be pretty good at, so it really shouldn't be on top.

    Every class has had some time in the limelight. The trick is making sure nothing is too far below acceptable levels.

    People autokick Necromancer when they try to join teams. I have yet to see a LFG that said "No Elementalist." If you are going to argue that it's hard to say that Necromancer has spent six years at the bottom it is equally true for Elementalist. However, I'm not here to play oppression Olympics. I brought up Necromancer to highlight how absurd it is to parade around acting like you're the worst in the game (I'm actually not going to rehash my position on Necromancer. Its a matter of "public record" and easily findable if anyone cares to see it). It's one thing to say its frustrating to lose and there needs to be work done. It's another to decry the game and make the outlandish claim that you're the worst in the game.

    It's also worth pointing out that Necromancer being easier than some has no bearing on whether or not it should be on top. That's just silly and leads to elitism.

  • Dace.8173Dace.8173 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:

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    @Dadnir.5038 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Noticed recently that every sub is full with "this class is anet's least favorite child" posts. When you see mesmer mains complaining how their class sucks, you've seen everything.

    Necro is broken in wvw/pvp but needs babysitter. Ele has op sustain in pvp but does no damage. Every class has something broken and something worthless, there's no point of comparing the opposite ones from different classes, which is quite common sadly.

    It would be same like druid complaining how he's useless in wvw when soulbeast can kill players with 2-3 autos.

    Yeah, everyone thinks ANet hates them. Untrue but that doesn't stop them from saying as much.

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Has not been top for years now its been bottom and its only getting worst. Ele was topped because there was not as much boon spam back then but now there is so you need to be part of that boon spam (ele is not) or part of the counter (ele is not that too). It use to be ele has the best protection support in the game and it was never perma. Now its a joke to not have perma protection lol.

    There is more to this game than being at the top. Necromancer has spent 6 years at the bottom. So to parade around as if Elementalist is the all time worse is just silly. I get the frustration when things aren't going well. But its hard to take that concern silly when you ignore the fact that you have spent less time at the bottom than others but want to act like you have it the worst.

    Core necro but reaper was top for a very long time all of hot realy then it got nerf for scorge and now scorge is top nice to see them update core and reaper kind of but still behind scorge. Ele tempest have not been giving the same treatment and weaver only been nerfed.

    There is often a need to put things into perspective. So let's be more accurate:

    • The necromancer have been on top of WvW zergling since release.
    • The necromancer have been pretty average in PvP (small scale PvP fight) since release with some short outstanding windows.
    • The necromancer is a black sheep in PvE since release and only shined when he lowered himself to exploit unintended mechanisms.

    On the other hand:

    • The elementalist have been good but not outstanding in WvW zergling since release.
    • The elementalist have had great result in PvP (small scale PvP fight) in the vanilla game, was a great support in these fight in HoT and struggle in PoF to find it's place.
    • The elementalist have been god amongst human in PvE in the vanilla game, outshined most profession in HoT and still stand strong in PoF.

    Both professions are frustrating to play when duelling which is what irks the most the players of both professions. That said, it's probably more frustrating for the elementalist to suck at duelling because they used to be good at it, while the necromancer never was "good" at duelling.

    NB.: It's better to never use WvW roaming (FFA) as a scale of whether or not an e-spec is balanced. After all, until PoF WvW was basically balanced with PvE as it's standard while players focused on fighting other players. Even now, it's hard to say that there is enough balance split there for WvW to be balanced.

    Ele was a ok roaming class for a time then it was a pick then it was pushed out for the most part it made as come back as staff and was good for a time it start to fall off at hot and its been down hill from there.

    Was staff always slow?

    Having a spec that has to channel your spells slowly is definitely something that makes you vulnerable, then again not sure what the pvp build was like in hot era since I didn't pvp for very long as a ele, nor seriously.

    Players use to move much slower there was no super speed and resistance far less condi clear for soft cc.

    Is weaver able to hold up in this new super fast era where you have tons of enemies with blocks? can you even land a kill?

    They dont hold up rev dose the weaver job better.

    People always turn this into a zero-sum situation in which if someone does it better then there is no point in you doing it too. Folks would be happier if they realized that more than one profession can do the same thing, even if one does it better than the other.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭
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    @Dace.8173 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

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    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dadnir.5038 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Noticed recently that every sub is full with "this class is anet's least favorite child" posts. When you see mesmer mains complaining how their class sucks, you've seen everything.

    Necro is broken in wvw/pvp but needs babysitter. Ele has op sustain in pvp but does no damage. Every class has something broken and something worthless, there's no point of comparing the opposite ones from different classes, which is quite common sadly.

    It would be same like druid complaining how he's useless in wvw when soulbeast can kill players with 2-3 autos.

    Yeah, everyone thinks ANet hates them. Untrue but that doesn't stop them from saying as much.

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Has not been top for years now its been bottom and its only getting worst. Ele was topped because there was not as much boon spam back then but now there is so you need to be part of that boon spam (ele is not) or part of the counter (ele is not that too). It use to be ele has the best protection support in the game and it was never perma. Now its a joke to not have perma protection lol.

    There is more to this game than being at the top. Necromancer has spent 6 years at the bottom. So to parade around as if Elementalist is the all time worse is just silly. I get the frustration when things aren't going well. But its hard to take that concern silly when you ignore the fact that you have spent less time at the bottom than others but want to act like you have it the worst.

    Core necro but reaper was top for a very long time all of hot realy then it got nerf for scorge and now scorge is top nice to see them update core and reaper kind of but still behind scorge. Ele tempest have not been giving the same treatment and weaver only been nerfed.

    There is often a need to put things into perspective. So let's be more accurate:

    • The necromancer have been on top of WvW zergling since release.
    • The necromancer have been pretty average in PvP (small scale PvP fight) since release with some short outstanding windows.
    • The necromancer is a black sheep in PvE since release and only shined when he lowered himself to exploit unintended mechanisms.

    On the other hand:

    • The elementalist have been good but not outstanding in WvW zergling since release.
    • The elementalist have had great result in PvP (small scale PvP fight) in the vanilla game, was a great support in these fight in HoT and struggle in PoF to find it's place.
    • The elementalist have been god amongst human in PvE in the vanilla game, outshined most profession in HoT and still stand strong in PoF.

    Both professions are frustrating to play when duelling which is what irks the most the players of both professions. That said, it's probably more frustrating for the elementalist to suck at duelling because they used to be good at it, while the necromancer never was "good" at duelling.

    NB.: It's better to never use WvW roaming (FFA) as a scale of whether or not an e-spec is balanced. After all, until PoF WvW was basically balanced with PvE as it's standard while players focused on fighting other players. Even now, it's hard to say that there is enough balance split there for WvW to be balanced.

    Ele was a ok roaming class for a time then it was a pick then it was pushed out for the most part it made as come back as staff and was good for a time it start to fall off at hot and its been down hill from there.

    Was staff always slow?

    Having a spec that has to channel your spells slowly is definitely something that makes you vulnerable, then again not sure what the pvp build was like in hot era since I didn't pvp for very long as a ele, nor seriously.

    Players use to move much slower there was no super speed and resistance far less condi clear for soft cc.

    Is weaver able to hold up in this new super fast era where you have tons of enemies with blocks? can you even land a kill?

    They dont hold up rev dose the weaver job better.

    People always turn this into a zero-sum situation in which if someone does it better then there is no point in you doing it too. Folks would be happier if they realized that more than one profession can do the same thing, even if one does it better than the other.

    I understand what your saying but to have skills like CoR hitting as hard as they do with out any real tell its both a killer of ele in it will one shot glass eles as well as it makes skills like MS look like it takes days to cast it to get the same effect. That and rev is the class the ended boon ele and the only thing anet did was to make the boon rev hit 10 targets at a perma level where ele boon only some are 10 and are far from pema. In a way rev out classes ele at every point of the game AND has a wepon swap AND has higher base hp / def AND a better wepon set AND boons that ele lacks.

    It may not make ppl delete there ele and run a rev in wvw but it out classes the ele at every point and its the ideal example of what a power creep ele looks like in gw2 (ele was the first class with all of its weekeness rev is the last class with all of its power creep).

    Though i must say most old school staff ele players did quit ele for rev if that tells you something. Relay good ele players too.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:

    I understand what your saying but to have skills like CoR hitting as hard as they do with out any real tell its both a killer of ele in it will one shot glass eles as well as it makes skills like MS look like it takes days to cast it to get the same effect. That and rev is the class the ended boon ele and the only thing anet did was to make the boon rev hit 10 targets at a perma level where ele boon only some are 10 and are far from pema. In a way rev out classes ele at every point of the game AND has a wepon swap AND has higher base hp / def AND a better wepon set AND boons that ele lacks.

    It may not make ppl delete there ele and run a rev in wvw but it out classes the ele at every point and its the ideal example of what a power creep ele looks like in gw2 (ele was the first class with all of its weekeness rev is the last class with all of its power creep).

    Though i must say most old school staff ele players did quit ele for rev if that tells you something. Relay good ele players too.

    Idk... 5 eles can carry 50 people. 5 revs are just boon bots poking enemy guards and necros. 10+ revs is different story.

    Weaver is in a perfect spot for wvw. They have big impact, but you dont want too many because they dont contribute to boon spam/melee ball tankiness. If you dont see that then your server probably doesnt know how to use eles. The only thing that staff ele needs are reduced after casts and casting animations which are long for no reason, but it's still fairly strong for blob fights.

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  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    I understand what your saying but to have skills like CoR hitting as hard as they do with out any real tell its both a killer of ele in it will one shot glass eles as well as it makes skills like MS look like it takes days to cast it to get the same effect. That and rev is the class the ended boon ele and the only thing anet did was to make the boon rev hit 10 targets at a perma level where ele boon only some are 10 and are far from pema. In a way rev out classes ele at every point of the game AND has a wepon swap AND has higher base hp / def AND a better wepon set AND boons that ele lacks.

    It may not make ppl delete there ele and run a rev in wvw but it out classes the ele at every point and its the ideal example of what a power creep ele looks like in gw2 (ele was the first class with all of its weekeness rev is the last class with all of its power creep).

    Though i must say most old school staff ele players did quit ele for rev if that tells you something. Relay good ele players too.

    Idk... 5 eles can carry 50 people. 5 revs are just boon bots poking enemy guards and necros. 10+ revs is different story.

    Weaver is in a perfect spot for wvw. They have big impact, but you dont want too many because they dont contribute to boon spam/melee ball tankiness. If you dont see that then your server probably doesnt know how to use eles. The only thing that staff ele needs are reduced after casts and casting animations which are long for no reason, but it's still fairly strong for blob fights.

    What? You have 1 ele for fields only mostly or the soft cc. You have more revs because they are simply more useful. They are where most of your burst dmg is going to come from in a fight. They are also able to apply boons to 10 ppl at a perma level or are able to apply strong effects of -50% dmg that cant be removed super speed stab and resistances as well as boon strip.

    Weaver is in the worst spot for all game types because it dose too much dmg to npc and not enofe to humans. Its always going to get nerf in dmg even if it not base off of pvp. At the same time weaver dule skills are all projectile both able to be destroy and reflected. In a wvw environment that means the skill dose nothing most of the time. Weaver also cover over staff def effects or makes it over all harder to get to them making weaver oddly easier to pick then core or tempest.

    There a lot ele needs as a core class as well as tempest. Weaver just needs to have its duel skill to be non projectiles.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    I understand what your saying but to have skills like CoR hitting as hard as they do with out any real tell its both a killer of ele in it will one shot glass eles as well as it makes skills like MS look like it takes days to cast it to get the same effect. That and rev is the class the ended boon ele and the only thing anet did was to make the boon rev hit 10 targets at a perma level where ele boon only some are 10 and are far from pema. In a way rev out classes ele at every point of the game AND has a wepon swap AND has higher base hp / def AND a better wepon set AND boons that ele lacks.

    It may not make ppl delete there ele and run a rev in wvw but it out classes the ele at every point and its the ideal example of what a power creep ele looks like in gw2 (ele was the first class with all of its weekeness rev is the last class with all of its power creep).

    Though i must say most old school staff ele players did quit ele for rev if that tells you something. Relay good ele players too.

    Idk... 5 eles can carry 50 people. 5 revs are just boon bots poking enemy guards and necros. 10+ revs is different story.

    Weaver is in a perfect spot for wvw. They have big impact, but you dont want too many because they dont contribute to boon spam/melee ball tankiness. If you dont see that then your server probably doesnt know how to use eles. The only thing that staff ele needs are reduced after casts and casting animations which are long for no reason, but it's still fairly strong for blob fights.

    What? You have 1 ele for fields only mostly or the soft cc. You have more revs because they are simply more useful. They are where most of your burst dmg is going to come from in a fight. They are also able to apply boons to 10 ppl at a perma level or are able to apply strong effects of -50% dmg that cant be removed super speed stab and resistances as well as boon strip.

    Weaver is in the worst spot for all game types because it dose too much dmg to npc and not enofe to humans. Its always going to get nerf in dmg even if it not base off of pvp. At the same time weaver dule skills are all projectile both able to be destroy and reflected. In a wvw environment that means the skill dose nothing most of the time. Weaver also cover over staff def effects or makes it over all harder to get to them making weaver oddly easier to pick then core or tempest.

    There a lot ele needs as a core class as well as tempest. Weaver just needs to have its duel skill to be non projectiles.

    With nerf of fb tome cd and spb bubble duration, reflects arent such big issue anymore. Majority of damage comes from other aoes anyway, they are just good for finishing downeds or slowing down the enemy.

    Idk how 2x10 man cc is "soft" when you add aoe chills, cripples and even immob on top. Revs also have quite low aoe pressure, which is why you take eles to begin with.

    My server was always lacking numbers on revs and quality on necros so ~5-10 good eles could almost always fix what's missing and carry with ease. But then again, it requires people being actually good, which is the main enemy of 99% of this community.

    I'm not saying that ele is in best state, but staff weaver in wvw is definitely the best build that ele has in non hardcore content (aka speedclears and gvg excluded) at the moment. Sure skills are clunky, but you do 90% of the job with one skill, might as well afk when it's on cd, in which case being squishy doesn't matter at all. As someone already mentioned, there's nothing wrong in having multiple classes doing same role at nearly same level.

    Play the class for fun, not for 5% better numbers. If it's not fun then dont bother with it, it's not like devs care what we talk about in here. Take a break from class/game and come back when you see some changes, otherwise it's same pointless discussions going over and over again. Maybe if we stopped spamming these posts they could see how appealing the class is.

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    Master of afk and kiting
    The God of Pips and Gud Deeps
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  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    I understand what your saying but to have skills like CoR hitting as hard as they do with out any real tell its both a killer of ele in it will one shot glass eles as well as it makes skills like MS look like it takes days to cast it to get the same effect. That and rev is the class the ended boon ele and the only thing anet did was to make the boon rev hit 10 targets at a perma level where ele boon only some are 10 and are far from pema. In a way rev out classes ele at every point of the game AND has a wepon swap AND has higher base hp / def AND a better wepon set AND boons that ele lacks.

    It may not make ppl delete there ele and run a rev in wvw but it out classes the ele at every point and its the ideal example of what a power creep ele looks like in gw2 (ele was the first class with all of its weekeness rev is the last class with all of its power creep).

    Though i must say most old school staff ele players did quit ele for rev if that tells you something. Relay good ele players too.

    Idk... 5 eles can carry 50 people. 5 revs are just boon bots poking enemy guards and necros. 10+ revs is different story.

    Weaver is in a perfect spot for wvw. They have big impact, but you dont want too many because they dont contribute to boon spam/melee ball tankiness. If you dont see that then your server probably doesnt know how to use eles. The only thing that staff ele needs are reduced after casts and casting animations which are long for no reason, but it's still fairly strong for blob fights.

    What? You have 1 ele for fields only mostly or the soft cc. You have more revs because they are simply more useful. They are where most of your burst dmg is going to come from in a fight. They are also able to apply boons to 10 ppl at a perma level or are able to apply strong effects of -50% dmg that cant be removed super speed stab and resistances as well as boon strip.

    Weaver is in the worst spot for all game types because it dose too much dmg to npc and not enofe to humans. Its always going to get nerf in dmg even if it not base off of pvp. At the same time weaver dule skills are all projectile both able to be destroy and reflected. In a wvw environment that means the skill dose nothing most of the time. Weaver also cover over staff def effects or makes it over all harder to get to them making weaver oddly easier to pick then core or tempest.

    There a lot ele needs as a core class as well as tempest. Weaver just needs to have its duel skill to be non projectiles.

    With nerf of fb tome cd and spb bubble duration, reflects arent such big issue anymore. Majority of damage comes from other aoes anyway, they are just good for finishing downeds or slowing down the enemy.

    There a lot more then just FB bubble lol even tempest it self is bringing a lot of reflection to a fight. Having such slow moving skills as projectiles was a big error on anets part.

    Idk how 2x10 man cc is "soft" when you add aoe chills, cripples and even immob on top. Revs also have quite low aoe pressure, which is why you take eles to begin with.

    Its just 10 on the one overload that it and that at melee ranged its not easy to land.
    Scorge is the aoe pressure with its 10 targets for all of its shade skills rev just doing to burst to 5 targets downing them in one go. Ice spike was close to doing that but they it got nerfed.

    My server was always lacking numbers on revs and quality on necros so ~5-10 good eles could almost always fix what's missing and carry with ease. But then again, it requires people being actually good, which is the main enemy of 99% of this community.

    Weird server or odd guild groups or are you doing more pug? These things are important and changes a lot how you play. I look at mostly guild groups point of view not too many ppl are going to kick you out of pug groups because your the wrong class lol.

    I'm not saying that ele is in best state, but staff weaver in wvw is definitely the best build that ele has in non hardcore content (aka speedclears and gvg excluded) at the moment. Sure skills are clunky, but you do 90% of the job with one skill, might as well afk when it's on cd, in which case being squishy doesn't matter at all. As someone already mentioned, there's nothing wrong in having multiple classes doing same role at nearly same level.

    But each class needs to bring a roll with its own spin. That the problme with ele it should be doing magic dmg where rev should be doing phical dmg but there is no magic dmg in gw2 its all phical so whom ever dose the hardest to see or the most or the hardest to deal with over all is the best in roll and in being so the class ppl will want.

    Play the class for fun, not for 5% better numbers. If it's not fun then dont bother with it, it's not like devs care what we talk about in here. Take a break from class/game and come back when you see some changes, otherwise it's same pointless discussions going over and over again. Maybe if we stopped spamming these posts they could see how appealing the class is.

    We all play for fun but your just one person in 5, 10 , 50 your fun is not as important as the groups fun. That why i want to see all classes become viable with effects that they lack and classes over all not getting free rides because of what there class has.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

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    @Dace.8173 said:

    @Vagrant.7206 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Has not been top for years now its been bottom and its only getting worst. Ele was topped because there was not as much boon spam back then but now there is so you need to be part of that boon spam (ele is not) or part of the counter (ele is not that too). It use to be ele has the best protection support in the game and it was never perma. Now its a joke to not have perma protection lol.

    There is more to this game than being at the top. Necromancer has spent 6 years at the bottom. So to parade around as if Elementalist is the all time worse is just silly. I get the frustration when things aren't going well. But its hard to take that concern silly when you ignore the fact that you have spent less time at the bottom than others but want to act like you have it the worst.

    It's hard to say necro has spent 6 years at the bottom. Reaper and Scourge have held very dominating positions for rather long periods of time, and are performing quite decently right now. On top? Maybe not, but I would argue that necro is also one of the easiest classes to be pretty good at, so it really shouldn't be on top.

    Every class has had some time in the limelight. The trick is making sure nothing is too far below acceptable levels.

    People autokick Necromancer when they try to join teams. I have yet to see a LFG that said "No Elementalist." If you are going to argue that it's hard to say that Necromancer has spent six years at the bottom it is equally true for Elementalist. However, I'm not here to play oppression Olympics. I brought up Necromancer to highlight how absurd it is to parade around acting like you're the worst in the game (I'm actually not going to rehash my position on Necromancer. Its a matter of "public record" and easily findable if anyone cares to see it). It's one thing to say its frustrating to lose and there needs to be work done. It's another to decry the game and make the outlandish claim that you're the worst in the game.

    It's also worth pointing out that Necromancer being easier than some has no bearing on whether or not it should be on top. That's just silly and leads to elitism.

    True, necro tends to get the most LFGs discouraging them, but it's hard to ascertain a reason without asking each person why.

    Either way... yeah, every class gets kicked in the nuts, and every class gets its time in the limelight. I can't say any one class is consistently better than the others -- the only class I know that hasn't been in the toilet, ever, is guardian.

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  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    I understand what your saying but to have skills like CoR hitting as hard as they do with out any real tell its both a killer of ele in it will one shot glass eles as well as it makes skills like MS look like it takes days to cast it to get the same effect. That and rev is the class the ended boon ele and the only thing anet did was to make the boon rev hit 10 targets at a perma level where ele boon only some are 10 and are far from pema. In a way rev out classes ele at every point of the game AND has a wepon swap AND has higher base hp / def AND a better wepon set AND boons that ele lacks.

    It may not make ppl delete there ele and run a rev in wvw but it out classes the ele at every point and its the ideal example of what a power creep ele looks like in gw2 (ele was the first class with all of its weekeness rev is the last class with all of its power creep).

    Though i must say most old school staff ele players did quit ele for rev if that tells you something. Relay good ele players too.

    Idk... 5 eles can carry 50 people. 5 revs are just boon bots poking enemy guards and necros. 10+ revs is different story.

    Weaver is in a perfect spot for wvw. They have big impact, but you dont want too many because they dont contribute to boon spam/melee ball tankiness. If you dont see that then your server probably doesnt know how to use eles. The only thing that staff ele needs are reduced after casts and casting animations which are long for no reason, but it's still fairly strong for blob fights.

    What? You have 1 ele for fields only mostly or the soft cc. You have more revs because they are simply more useful. They are where most of your burst dmg is going to come from in a fight. They are also able to apply boons to 10 ppl at a perma level or are able to apply strong effects of -50% dmg that cant be removed super speed stab and resistances as well as boon strip.

    Weaver is in the worst spot for all game types because it dose too much dmg to npc and not enofe to humans. Its always going to get nerf in dmg even if it not base off of pvp. At the same time weaver dule skills are all projectile both able to be destroy and reflected. In a wvw environment that means the skill dose nothing most of the time. Weaver also cover over staff def effects or makes it over all harder to get to them making weaver oddly easier to pick then core or tempest.

    There a lot ele needs as a core class as well as tempest. Weaver just needs to have its duel skill to be non projectiles.

    With nerf of fb tome cd and spb bubble duration, reflects arent such big issue anymore. Majority of damage comes from other aoes anyway, they are just good for finishing downeds or slowing down the enemy.

    There a lot more then just FB bubble lol even tempest it self is bringing a lot of reflection to a fight. Having such slow moving skills as projectiles was a big error on anets part.

    Idk how 2x10 man cc is "soft" when you add aoe chills, cripples and even immob on top. Revs also have quite low aoe pressure, which is why you take eles to begin with.

    Its just 10 on the one overload that it and that at melee ranged its not easy to land.
    Scorge is the aoe pressure with its 10 targets for all of its shade skills rev just doing to burst to 5 targets downing them in one go. Ice spike was close to doing that but they it got nerfed.

    My server was always lacking numbers on revs and quality on necros so ~5-10 good eles could almost always fix what's missing and carry with ease. But then again, it requires people being actually good, which is the main enemy of 99% of this community.

    Weird server or odd guild groups or are you doing more pug? These things are important and changes a lot how you play. I look at mostly guild groups point of view not too many ppl are going to kick you out of pug groups because your the wrong class lol.

    I'm not saying that ele is in best state, but staff weaver in wvw is definitely the best build that ele has in non hardcore content (aka speedclears and gvg excluded) at the moment. Sure skills are clunky, but you do 90% of the job with one skill, might as well afk when it's on cd, in which case being squishy doesn't matter at all. As someone already mentioned, there's nothing wrong in having multiple classes doing same role at nearly same level.

    But each class needs to bring a roll with its own spin. That the problme with ele it should be doing magic dmg where rev should be doing phical dmg but there is no magic dmg in gw2 its all phical so whom ever dose the hardest to see or the most or the hardest to deal with over all is the best in roll and in being so the class ppl will want.

    Play the class for fun, not for 5% better numbers. If it's not fun then dont bother with it, it's not like devs care what we talk about in here. Take a break from class/game and come back when you see some changes, otherwise it's same pointless discussions going over and over again. Maybe if we stopped spamming these posts they could see how appealing the class is.

    We all play for fun but your just one person in 5, 10 , 50 your fun is not as important as the groups fun. That why i want to see all classes become viable with effects that they lack and classes over all not getting free rides because of what there class has.

    But they are viable already. No class brings 10 man CC like staff ele, nor unblockable aoe chill, all at max range with no downtime on damage. No class brings rain of death which kills half enemies in a choke fight. Stop looking at negatives and focus on improving your play style.

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62138/oh-sweet-moamander-its-two-more-weaver-montages#latest is a good place to start.

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  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    I understand what your saying but to have skills like CoR hitting as hard as they do with out any real tell its both a killer of ele in it will one shot glass eles as well as it makes skills like MS look like it takes days to cast it to get the same effect. That and rev is the class the ended boon ele and the only thing anet did was to make the boon rev hit 10 targets at a perma level where ele boon only some are 10 and are far from pema. In a way rev out classes ele at every point of the game AND has a wepon swap AND has higher base hp / def AND a better wepon set AND boons that ele lacks.

    It may not make ppl delete there ele and run a rev in wvw but it out classes the ele at every point and its the ideal example of what a power creep ele looks like in gw2 (ele was the first class with all of its weekeness rev is the last class with all of its power creep).

    Though i must say most old school staff ele players did quit ele for rev if that tells you something. Relay good ele players too.

    Idk... 5 eles can carry 50 people. 5 revs are just boon bots poking enemy guards and necros. 10+ revs is different story.

    Weaver is in a perfect spot for wvw. They have big impact, but you dont want too many because they dont contribute to boon spam/melee ball tankiness. If you dont see that then your server probably doesnt know how to use eles. The only thing that staff ele needs are reduced after casts and casting animations which are long for no reason, but it's still fairly strong for blob fights.

    What? You have 1 ele for fields only mostly or the soft cc. You have more revs because they are simply more useful. They are where most of your burst dmg is going to come from in a fight. They are also able to apply boons to 10 ppl at a perma level or are able to apply strong effects of -50% dmg that cant be removed super speed stab and resistances as well as boon strip.

    Weaver is in the worst spot for all game types because it dose too much dmg to npc and not enofe to humans. Its always going to get nerf in dmg even if it not base off of pvp. At the same time weaver dule skills are all projectile both able to be destroy and reflected. In a wvw environment that means the skill dose nothing most of the time. Weaver also cover over staff def effects or makes it over all harder to get to them making weaver oddly easier to pick then core or tempest.

    There a lot ele needs as a core class as well as tempest. Weaver just needs to have its duel skill to be non projectiles.

    With nerf of fb tome cd and spb bubble duration, reflects arent such big issue anymore. Majority of damage comes from other aoes anyway, they are just good for finishing downeds or slowing down the enemy.

    There a lot more then just FB bubble lol even tempest it self is bringing a lot of reflection to a fight. Having such slow moving skills as projectiles was a big error on anets part.

    Idk how 2x10 man cc is "soft" when you add aoe chills, cripples and even immob on top. Revs also have quite low aoe pressure, which is why you take eles to begin with.

    Its just 10 on the one overload that it and that at melee ranged its not easy to land.
    Scorge is the aoe pressure with its 10 targets for all of its shade skills rev just doing to burst to 5 targets downing them in one go. Ice spike was close to doing that but they it got nerfed.

    My server was always lacking numbers on revs and quality on necros so ~5-10 good eles could almost always fix what's missing and carry with ease. But then again, it requires people being actually good, which is the main enemy of 99% of this community.

    Weird server or odd guild groups or are you doing more pug? These things are important and changes a lot how you play. I look at mostly guild groups point of view not too many ppl are going to kick you out of pug groups because your the wrong class lol.

    I'm not saying that ele is in best state, but staff weaver in wvw is definitely the best build that ele has in non hardcore content (aka speedclears and gvg excluded) at the moment. Sure skills are clunky, but you do 90% of the job with one skill, might as well afk when it's on cd, in which case being squishy doesn't matter at all. As someone already mentioned, there's nothing wrong in having multiple classes doing same role at nearly same level.

    But each class needs to bring a roll with its own spin. That the problme with ele it should be doing magic dmg where rev should be doing phical dmg but there is no magic dmg in gw2 its all phical so whom ever dose the hardest to see or the most or the hardest to deal with over all is the best in roll and in being so the class ppl will want.

    Play the class for fun, not for 5% better numbers. If it's not fun then dont bother with it, it's not like devs care what we talk about in here. Take a break from class/game and come back when you see some changes, otherwise it's same pointless discussions going over and over again. Maybe if we stopped spamming these posts they could see how appealing the class is.

    We all play for fun but your just one person in 5, 10 , 50 your fun is not as important as the groups fun. That why i want to see all classes become viable with effects that they lack and classes over all not getting free rides because of what there class has.

    But they are viable already. No class brings 10 man CC like staff ele, nor unblockable aoe chill, all at max range with no downtime on damage. No class brings rain of death which kills half enemies in a choke fight. Stop looking at negatives and focus on improving your play style.

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62138/oh-sweet-moamander-its-two-more-weaver-montages#latest is a good place to start.

    What are you talking about scorge has the most 10 target cc in the game. Staff ele has no 10 target effects only tempest has it. Ele and weaver needs to be more then a one skill class MS on staff is not that good it give you nice numbers but a lot has to happen just right that the ele has no control over for it to work.

    Its a montages just an set of outlier events.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Sigmoid.7082Sigmoid.7082 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    I understand what your saying but to have skills like CoR hitting as hard as they do with out any real tell its both a killer of ele in it will one shot glass eles as well as it makes skills like MS look like it takes days to cast it to get the same effect. That and rev is the class the ended boon ele and the only thing anet did was to make the boon rev hit 10 targets at a perma level where ele boon only some are 10 and are far from pema. In a way rev out classes ele at every point of the game AND has a wepon swap AND has higher base hp / def AND a better wepon set AND boons that ele lacks.

    It may not make ppl delete there ele and run a rev in wvw but it out classes the ele at every point and its the ideal example of what a power creep ele looks like in gw2 (ele was the first class with all of its weekeness rev is the last class with all of its power creep).

    Though i must say most old school staff ele players did quit ele for rev if that tells you something. Relay good ele players too.

    Idk... 5 eles can carry 50 people. 5 revs are just boon bots poking enemy guards and necros. 10+ revs is different story.

    Weaver is in a perfect spot for wvw. They have big impact, but you dont want too many because they dont contribute to boon spam/melee ball tankiness. If you dont see that then your server probably doesnt know how to use eles. The only thing that staff ele needs are reduced after casts and casting animations which are long for no reason, but it's still fairly strong for blob fights.

    What? You have 1 ele for fields only mostly or the soft cc. You have more revs because they are simply more useful. They are where most of your burst dmg is going to come from in a fight. They are also able to apply boons to 10 ppl at a perma level or are able to apply strong effects of -50% dmg that cant be removed super speed stab and resistances as well as boon strip.

    Weaver is in the worst spot for all game types because it dose too much dmg to npc and not enofe to humans. Its always going to get nerf in dmg even if it not base off of pvp. At the same time weaver dule skills are all projectile both able to be destroy and reflected. In a wvw environment that means the skill dose nothing most of the time. Weaver also cover over staff def effects or makes it over all harder to get to them making weaver oddly easier to pick then core or tempest.

    There a lot ele needs as a core class as well as tempest. Weaver just needs to have its duel skill to be non projectiles.

    With nerf of fb tome cd and spb bubble duration, reflects arent such big issue anymore. Majority of damage comes from other aoes anyway, they are just good for finishing downeds or slowing down the enemy.

    There a lot more then just FB bubble lol even tempest it self is bringing a lot of reflection to a fight. Having such slow moving skills as projectiles was a big error on anets part.

    Idk how 2x10 man cc is "soft" when you add aoe chills, cripples and even immob on top. Revs also have quite low aoe pressure, which is why you take eles to begin with.

    Its just 10 on the one overload that it and that at melee ranged its not easy to land.
    Scorge is the aoe pressure with its 10 targets for all of its shade skills rev just doing to burst to 5 targets downing them in one go. Ice spike was close to doing that but they it got nerfed.

    My server was always lacking numbers on revs and quality on necros so ~5-10 good eles could almost always fix what's missing and carry with ease. But then again, it requires people being actually good, which is the main enemy of 99% of this community.

    Weird server or odd guild groups or are you doing more pug? These things are important and changes a lot how you play. I look at mostly guild groups point of view not too many ppl are going to kick you out of pug groups because your the wrong class lol.

    I'm not saying that ele is in best state, but staff weaver in wvw is definitely the best build that ele has in non hardcore content (aka speedclears and gvg excluded) at the moment. Sure skills are clunky, but you do 90% of the job with one skill, might as well afk when it's on cd, in which case being squishy doesn't matter at all. As someone already mentioned, there's nothing wrong in having multiple classes doing same role at nearly same level.

    But each class needs to bring a roll with its own spin. That the problme with ele it should be doing magic dmg where rev should be doing phical dmg but there is no magic dmg in gw2 its all phical so whom ever dose the hardest to see or the most or the hardest to deal with over all is the best in roll and in being so the class ppl will want.

    Play the class for fun, not for 5% better numbers. If it's not fun then dont bother with it, it's not like devs care what we talk about in here. Take a break from class/game and come back when you see some changes, otherwise it's same pointless discussions going over and over again. Maybe if we stopped spamming these posts they could see how appealing the class is.

    We all play for fun but your just one person in 5, 10 , 50 your fun is not as important as the groups fun. That why i want to see all classes become viable with effects that they lack and classes over all not getting free rides because of what there class has.

    But they are viable already. No class brings 10 man CC like staff ele, nor unblockable aoe chill, all at max range with no downtime on damage. No class brings rain of death which kills half enemies in a choke fight. Stop looking at negatives and focus on improving your play style.

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62138/oh-sweet-moamander-its-two-more-weaver-montages#latest is a good place to start.

    What are you talking about scorge has the most 10 target cc in the game. Staff ele has no 10 target effects only tempest has it.

    Believe they are on about unsteady gorund and static field.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sigmoid.7082 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    I understand what your saying but to have skills like CoR hitting as hard as they do with out any real tell its both a killer of ele in it will one shot glass eles as well as it makes skills like MS look like it takes days to cast it to get the same effect. That and rev is the class the ended boon ele and the only thing anet did was to make the boon rev hit 10 targets at a perma level where ele boon only some are 10 and are far from pema. In a way rev out classes ele at every point of the game AND has a wepon swap AND has higher base hp / def AND a better wepon set AND boons that ele lacks.

    It may not make ppl delete there ele and run a rev in wvw but it out classes the ele at every point and its the ideal example of what a power creep ele looks like in gw2 (ele was the first class with all of its weekeness rev is the last class with all of its power creep).

    Though i must say most old school staff ele players did quit ele for rev if that tells you something. Relay good ele players too.

    Idk... 5 eles can carry 50 people. 5 revs are just boon bots poking enemy guards and necros. 10+ revs is different story.

    Weaver is in a perfect spot for wvw. They have big impact, but you dont want too many because they dont contribute to boon spam/melee ball tankiness. If you dont see that then your server probably doesnt know how to use eles. The only thing that staff ele needs are reduced after casts and casting animations which are long for no reason, but it's still fairly strong for blob fights.

    What? You have 1 ele for fields only mostly or the soft cc. You have more revs because they are simply more useful. They are where most of your burst dmg is going to come from in a fight. They are also able to apply boons to 10 ppl at a perma level or are able to apply strong effects of -50% dmg that cant be removed super speed stab and resistances as well as boon strip.

    Weaver is in the worst spot for all game types because it dose too much dmg to npc and not enofe to humans. Its always going to get nerf in dmg even if it not base off of pvp. At the same time weaver dule skills are all projectile both able to be destroy and reflected. In a wvw environment that means the skill dose nothing most of the time. Weaver also cover over staff def effects or makes it over all harder to get to them making weaver oddly easier to pick then core or tempest.

    There a lot ele needs as a core class as well as tempest. Weaver just needs to have its duel skill to be non projectiles.

    With nerf of fb tome cd and spb bubble duration, reflects arent such big issue anymore. Majority of damage comes from other aoes anyway, they are just good for finishing downeds or slowing down the enemy.

    There a lot more then just FB bubble lol even tempest it self is bringing a lot of reflection to a fight. Having such slow moving skills as projectiles was a big error on anets part.

    Idk how 2x10 man cc is "soft" when you add aoe chills, cripples and even immob on top. Revs also have quite low aoe pressure, which is why you take eles to begin with.

    Its just 10 on the one overload that it and that at melee ranged its not easy to land.
    Scorge is the aoe pressure with its 10 targets for all of its shade skills rev just doing to burst to 5 targets downing them in one go. Ice spike was close to doing that but they it got nerfed.

    My server was always lacking numbers on revs and quality on necros so ~5-10 good eles could almost always fix what's missing and carry with ease. But then again, it requires people being actually good, which is the main enemy of 99% of this community.

    Weird server or odd guild groups or are you doing more pug? These things are important and changes a lot how you play. I look at mostly guild groups point of view not too many ppl are going to kick you out of pug groups because your the wrong class lol.

    I'm not saying that ele is in best state, but staff weaver in wvw is definitely the best build that ele has in non hardcore content (aka speedclears and gvg excluded) at the moment. Sure skills are clunky, but you do 90% of the job with one skill, might as well afk when it's on cd, in which case being squishy doesn't matter at all. As someone already mentioned, there's nothing wrong in having multiple classes doing same role at nearly same level.

    But each class needs to bring a roll with its own spin. That the problme with ele it should be doing magic dmg where rev should be doing phical dmg but there is no magic dmg in gw2 its all phical so whom ever dose the hardest to see or the most or the hardest to deal with over all is the best in roll and in being so the class ppl will want.

    Play the class for fun, not for 5% better numbers. If it's not fun then dont bother with it, it's not like devs care what we talk about in here. Take a break from class/game and come back when you see some changes, otherwise it's same pointless discussions going over and over again. Maybe if we stopped spamming these posts they could see how appealing the class is.

    We all play for fun but your just one person in 5, 10 , 50 your fun is not as important as the groups fun. That why i want to see all classes become viable with effects that they lack and classes over all not getting free rides because of what there class has.

    But they are viable already. No class brings 10 man CC like staff ele, nor unblockable aoe chill, all at max range with no downtime on damage. No class brings rain of death which kills half enemies in a choke fight. Stop looking at negatives and focus on improving your play style.

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62138/oh-sweet-moamander-its-two-more-weaver-montages#latest is a good place to start.

    What are you talking about scorge has the most 10 target cc in the game. Staff ele has no 10 target effects only tempest has it.

    Believe they are on about unsteady gorund and static field.

    O so a lot of classes then any thing with a line that is not uniquet to ele at all.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @steki.1478 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    I understand what your saying but to have skills like CoR hitting as hard as they do with out any real tell its both a killer of ele in it will one shot glass eles as well as it makes skills like MS look like it takes days to cast it to get the same effect. That and rev is the class the ended boon ele and the only thing anet did was to make the boon rev hit 10 targets at a perma level where ele boon only some are 10 and are far from pema. In a way rev out classes ele at every point of the game AND has a wepon swap AND has higher base hp / def AND a better wepon set AND boons that ele lacks.

    It may not make ppl delete there ele and run a rev in wvw but it out classes the ele at every point and its the ideal example of what a power creep ele looks like in gw2 (ele was the first class with all of its weekeness rev is the last class with all of its power creep).

    Though i must say most old school staff ele players did quit ele for rev if that tells you something. Relay good ele players too.

    Idk... 5 eles can carry 50 people. 5 revs are just boon bots poking enemy guards and necros. 10+ revs is different story.

    Weaver is in a perfect spot for wvw. They have big impact, but you dont want too many because they dont contribute to boon spam/melee ball tankiness. If you dont see that then your server probably doesnt know how to use eles. The only thing that staff ele needs are reduced after casts and casting animations which are long for no reason, but it's still fairly strong for blob fights.

    What? You have 1 ele for fields only mostly or the soft cc. You have more revs because they are simply more useful. They are where most of your burst dmg is going to come from in a fight. They are also able to apply boons to 10 ppl at a perma level or are able to apply strong effects of -50% dmg that cant be removed super speed stab and resistances as well as boon strip.

    Weaver is in the worst spot for all game types because it dose too much dmg to npc and not enofe to humans. Its always going to get nerf in dmg even if it not base off of pvp. At the same time weaver dule skills are all projectile both able to be destroy and reflected. In a wvw environment that means the skill dose nothing most of the time. Weaver also cover over staff def effects or makes it over all harder to get to them making weaver oddly easier to pick then core or tempest.

    There a lot ele needs as a core class as well as tempest. Weaver just needs to have its duel skill to be non projectiles.

    With nerf of fb tome cd and spb bubble duration, reflects arent such big issue anymore. Majority of damage comes from other aoes anyway, they are just good for finishing downeds or slowing down the enemy.

    There a lot more then just FB bubble lol even tempest it self is bringing a lot of reflection to a fight. Having such slow moving skills as projectiles was a big error on anets part.

    Idk how 2x10 man cc is "soft" when you add aoe chills, cripples and even immob on top. Revs also have quite low aoe pressure, which is why you take eles to begin with.

    Its just 10 on the one overload that it and that at melee ranged its not easy to land.
    Scorge is the aoe pressure with its 10 targets for all of its shade skills rev just doing to burst to 5 targets downing them in one go. Ice spike was close to doing that but they it got nerfed.

    My server was always lacking numbers on revs and quality on necros so ~5-10 good eles could almost always fix what's missing and carry with ease. But then again, it requires people being actually good, which is the main enemy of 99% of this community.

    Weird server or odd guild groups or are you doing more pug? These things are important and changes a lot how you play. I look at mostly guild groups point of view not too many ppl are going to kick you out of pug groups because your the wrong class lol.

    I'm not saying that ele is in best state, but staff weaver in wvw is definitely the best build that ele has in non hardcore content (aka speedclears and gvg excluded) at the moment. Sure skills are clunky, but you do 90% of the job with one skill, might as well afk when it's on cd, in which case being squishy doesn't matter at all. As someone already mentioned, there's nothing wrong in having multiple classes doing same role at nearly same level.

    But each class needs to bring a roll with its own spin. That the problme with ele it should be doing magic dmg where rev should be doing phical dmg but there is no magic dmg in gw2 its all phical so whom ever dose the hardest to see or the most or the hardest to deal with over all is the best in roll and in being so the class ppl will want.

    Play the class for fun, not for 5% better numbers. If it's not fun then dont bother with it, it's not like devs care what we talk about in here. Take a break from class/game and come back when you see some changes, otherwise it's same pointless discussions going over and over again. Maybe if we stopped spamming these posts they could see how appealing the class is.

    We all play for fun but your just one person in 5, 10 , 50 your fun is not as important as the groups fun. That why i want to see all classes become viable with effects that they lack and classes over all not getting free rides because of what there class has.

    But they are viable already. No class brings 10 man CC like staff ele, nor unblockable aoe chill, all at max range with no downtime on damage. No class brings rain of death which kills half enemies in a choke fight. Stop looking at negatives and focus on improving your play style.

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62138/oh-sweet-moamander-its-two-more-weaver-montages#latest is a good place to start.

    What are you talking about scorge has the most 10 target cc in the game. Staff ele has no 10 target effects only tempest has it. Ele and weaver needs to be more then a one skill class MS on staff is not that good it give you nice numbers but a lot has to happen just right that the ele has no control over for it to work.

    Its a montages just an set of outlier events.

    Scourge doesn't even do comparable damage with weaver so idk what's the issue.

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    Master of afk and kiting
    The God of Pips and Gud Deeps
    Froggo himself

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Scourge enables weaver to do that much dmg. You can play with out an weaver but you cant play with out a scourge boon strips are just that important. Its just the sad truth of ele and the chose anet made it the only class in the game with out any boon strip. Its going to have to be added in at one point or its always going to keep ele at a weaker point of the game then other classes.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Sigmoid.7082Sigmoid.7082 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:
    Scourge enables weaver to do that much dmg. You can play with out an weaver but you cant play with out a scourge boon strips are just that important. Its just the sad truth of ele and the chose anet made it the only class in the game with out any boon strip. Its going to have to be added in at one point or its always going to keep ele at a weaker point of the game then other classes.

    Can guardian and ranger boon rip?

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sigmoid.7082 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:
    Scourge enables weaver to do that much dmg. You can play with out an weaver but you cant play with out a scourge boon strips are just that important. Its just the sad truth of ele and the chose anet made it the only class in the game with out any boon strip. Its going to have to be added in at one point or its always going to keep ele at a weaker point of the game then other classes.

    Can guardian and ranger boon rip?

    They dont though guardian use to have one a long time ago. But these classes have many other effects that makes up for the lost mostly having powerful boons. We can talk about what call is missing and what it has to make up for it all day when it comes to all of the other classes but ele IS the only class that lacks one effect and dose NOT make up for it with another.

    Ranger has strong unshockable dmg effects and guardian has some of the best offsice boon support.

    What dose ele have agen? Maybe quickness unblockable dmg boon strip maybe realty condi dmg?

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

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    @Jski.6180 said:

    I understand what your saying but to have skills like CoR hitting as hard as they do with out any real tell its both a killer of ele in it will one shot glass eles as well as it makes skills like MS look like it takes days to cast it to get the same effect. That and rev is the class the ended boon ele and the only thing anet did was to make the boon rev hit 10 targets at a perma level where ele boon only some are 10 and are far from pema. In a way rev out classes ele at every point of the game AND has a wepon swap AND has higher base hp / def AND a better wepon set AND boons that ele lacks.

    It may not make ppl delete there ele and run a rev in wvw but it out classes the ele at every point and its the ideal example of what a power creep ele looks like in gw2 (ele was the first class with all of its weekeness rev is the last class with all of its power creep).

    Though i must say most old school staff ele players did quit ele for rev if that tells you something. Relay good ele players too.

    Your post reinforced my argument, not countered it.

    @Vagrant.7206 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:

    @Vagrant.7206 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Dace.8173 said:
    I can't take any complaint that tries to position themselves as more worthless than Necromancer seriously. I mean, come on ......Elementalist has had longer stints at the top. Elementalist may be going through some rough times right now but let's not blow it out of proportion.

    Has not been top for years now its been bottom and its only getting worst. Ele was topped because there was not as much boon spam back then but now there is so you need to be part of that boon spam (ele is not) or part of the counter (ele is not that too). It use to be ele has the best protection support in the game and it was never perma. Now its a joke to not have perma protection lol.

    There is more to this game than being at the top. Necromancer has spent 6 years at the bottom. So to parade around as if Elementalist is the all time worse is just silly. I get the frustration when things aren't going well. But its hard to take that concern silly when you ignore the fact that you have spent less time at the bottom than others but want to act like you have it the worst.

    It's hard to say necro has spent 6 years at the bottom. Reaper and Scourge have held very dominating positions for rather long periods of time, and are performing quite decently right now. On top? Maybe not, but I would argue that necro is also one of the easiest classes to be pretty good at, so it really shouldn't be on top.

    Every class has had some time in the limelight. The trick is making sure nothing is too far below acceptable levels.

    People autokick Necromancer when they try to join teams. I have yet to see a LFG that said "No Elementalist." If you are going to argue that it's hard to say that Necromancer has spent six years at the bottom it is equally true for Elementalist. However, I'm not here to play oppression Olympics. I brought up Necromancer to highlight how absurd it is to parade around acting like you're the worst in the game (I'm actually not going to rehash my position on Necromancer. Its a matter of "public record" and easily findable if anyone cares to see it). It's one thing to say its frustrating to lose and there needs to be work done. It's another to decry the game and make the outlandish claim that you're the worst in the game.

    It's also worth pointing out that Necromancer being easier than some has no bearing on whether or not it should be on top. That's just silly and leads to elitism.

    True, necro tends to get the most LFGs discouraging them, but it's hard to ascertain a reason without asking each person why.

    Either way... yeah, every class gets kicked in the nuts, and every class gets its time in the limelight. I can't say any one class is consistently better than the others -- the only class I know that hasn't been in the toilet, ever, is guardian.

    I can't take this seriously. We know why they get auto-kicked. The reason is blatantly obvious and acting like we have to ask each person why is being purposefully obtuse.

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