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World Linking Error 21 December 2018

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  • Diku.2546Diku.2546 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2018

    @Trajan.4953 said:
    You know it's funny no matter how much people blow wind on the forums guilds continue to transfer whenever they want. It's almost like guilds are their own entity


    I agree with your comment, but I Hate to break it to you...

    Future - ANet will HEAVILY depend on using Alliance Linking of guilds to manipulate Team Creation to "In-directly" Create Fair & Balanced Match-Ups.

    Currently - ANet uses World Linking of guilds to manipulate Team Creation to "In-directly" Create Fair & Balanced Match-Ups.


    Trying to Fix our lopsided Match-Ups by "In-Directly" manipulating Team Creation is just like trying to herd 10,000 cats (in groups of 20) on an open prarie.

    Forcing specific teams to play together in certain Match-Ups is not a good idea, nor is it a good idea to force or punish 10,000 cats (in groups of 20) into swimming across a river while herding them...simply because our Match-Up model requires it.


    Do we really want this same solution again...just renamed & repackaged?

    Stop beating around the bush & get to the point.

    We need a better Long Term Solution that's more effective in Creating Fair & Balanced Match-Ups that will Competitively engage players to return to WvW to play over & over again.....imho

    We should "Directly" change or replace our current 800 pound Gorilla in the Room Match-Up model instead of trying to fix things "In-directly".

    Hoping there's a change of heart & the powers that are in charge...can be convinced to change or replace our Match-Up model...instead of giving us another Team Creation Upgrade...that will always have steep challenges in herding "cats" through deep rivers...because it's common knowledge on cat behavior...that cats only listen when the want to & they typically hate getting into water that's over their head.

    Yours truly,
    Diku

    p.s.
    See some of my past posts for solutions.

  • Farout.8207Farout.8207 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 25, 2018

    @blackgamma.1809 said:
    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:

    Unfortunately, due to technological limitations, we cannot amend this error until the next scheduled reset, which will take place on 28 December 2018. Again, we apologize for this issue and intend to take steps to prevent this sort of problem from happening in the future.

    so if there is somehow a technological limitation, what is the technological limitations that didnt exist back then, that does now?

    It is Christmas

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  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 25, 2018

    @Mil.3562 said:
    This re-linking error not only affects CD and GoM, for some strange reasons and i believe it's no error, they gave BG a link, making BG once again King of T1 for the next two months. BG by itself is already consistantly moving in and out of T1 and yet ANet feel the need to give them a link?

    Now BG is so fat that they have won every skirmish since re-link and have been camping enemies Garri Keep for more than 10 hour now. And this is happening on a week long holiday break for most players. Well done ANet!

    I guess what many players are saying is true that ANet doesn't care much about WvW, and instead of actually being there to observe what is really happening, ANet chose to rely on the forum cry wolves to make their decisions on linking.

    Everytime there is a link where BG isn't king of T1 the following link end up being no servers that can actually compete with BG... This time is no different.
    I don't think even the YB quadlink can win against BG but we'll never know because it will cease to exist in 3 days and go rot in T4 along with CD and GoM.

    Just watch. We'll have 2 months of people tanking to dodge T1 matches.

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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 25, 2018

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Mil.3562 said:
    This re-linking error not only affects CD and GoM, for some strange reasons and i believe it's no error, they gave BG a link, making BG once again King of T1 for the next two months. BG by itself is already consistantly moving in and out of T1 and yet ANet feel the need to give them a link?

    Everytime there is a link where BG isn't king of T1 the following link end up being no servers that can actually compete with BG... This time is no different.

    >

    Factually incorrect. Check the last 4 linkings.

    Bandwagons happen. The servers that sat in T1 were linked, and received multiple transfers into their links, to the point where in several cases, new hosts were created from the ashes.

    The only difference this time is BG got a link. Only the second time since linkings started. And to the same server.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mil.3562 said:
    The question still remains; why BG needs a link? Like I mentioned in previous post, BG is consistently moving in and out of T1 by itself without a link, and for some unknown reasons ANet feel the need to give them one while those servers remaining in T3 and T4 for many weeks continued to struggle up the tier level?

    I just logged out from the game and all the four maps in T1, ie the two Alpine Borderlands, Desert Borderland and EBG are totally capped by BG except for the Spawn Camps. And it has been like that for many hours. Yes, it couldn't be more balanced than this. BG says thank you Anet.

    Again, the bigger question is who bandwagonned ET.

    That’s what has changed.

    When SoR became a host overnight and was paired with another host, did people complain this much?

    When Kaineng became a host while linked to another host, did people complain?

    There are at least 3 other examples.

    Again, it’s BGs second link, ever.

    One up, one down will adjust.

  • blackgamma.1809blackgamma.1809 Member ✭✭
    edited December 25, 2018

    @Farout.8207 said:

    @blackgamma.1809 said:
    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:

    Unfortunately, due to technological limitations, we cannot amend this error until the next scheduled reset, which will take place on 28 December 2018. Again, we apologize for this issue and intend to take steps to prevent this sort of problem from happening in the future.

    so if there is somehow a technological limitation, what is the technological limitations that didnt exist back then, that does now?

    It is Christmas

    im aware. but that doesn't make it a technological limitation.
    unless they semantically mean they can't find a anet dev and a car to drive to work during this time of the year

  • Djamonja.6453Djamonja.6453 Member ✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    One up, one down will adjust.

    Maybe -- not sure that any of the announced links can compete with BG+ET though, so it will just be servers rotating through and losing badly.

  • Mil.3562Mil.3562 Member ✭✭✭

    @Djamonja.6453 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    One up, one down will adjust.

    Maybe -- not sure that any of the announced links can compete with BG+ET though, so it will just be servers rotating through and losing badly.

    Yes. Untouchable for two months. Now BG stands for Being God.

  • Mil.3562Mil.3562 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 25, 2018

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Mil.3562 said:
    The question still remains; why BG needs a link? Like I mentioned in previous post, BG is consistently moving in and out of T1 by itself without a link, and for some unknown reasons ANet feel the need to give them one while those servers remaining in T3 and T4 for many weeks continued to struggle up the tier level?

    I just logged out from the game and all the four maps in T1, ie the two Alpine Borderlands, Desert Borderland and EBG are totally capped by BG except for the Spawn Camps. And it has been like that for many hours. Yes, it couldn't be more balanced than this. BG says thank you Anet.

    Again, the bigger question is who bandwagonned ET.

    That’s what has changed.

    When SoR became a host overnight and was paired with another host, did people complain this much?

    When Kaineng became a host while linked to another host, did people complain?

    There are at least 3 other examples.

    Again, it’s BGs second link, ever.

    One up, one down will adjust.

    If BG is not given the link, will there be any bawagonning? That's my point.

    I know it's those guilds or players who jumped into ET and caused this terrible imbalance.

    Again, why give a link to a very strong T1 server, who has been doing very well on its own for many years, and then blame it on the bandwagoners?

    It's like thowing feeds into the field and blame the rats or birds for eating them :D

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mil.3562 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Mil.3562 said:
    The question still remains; why BG needs a link? Like I mentioned in previous post, BG is consistently moving in and out of T1 by itself without a link, and for some unknown reasons ANet feel the need to give them one while those servers remaining in T3 and T4 for many weeks continued to struggle up the tier level?

    I just logged out from the game and all the four maps in T1, ie the two Alpine Borderlands, Desert Borderland and EBG are totally capped by BG except for the Spawn Camps. And it has been like that for many hours. Yes, it couldn't be more balanced than this. BG says thank you Anet.

    Again, the bigger question is who bandwagonned ET.

    That’s what has changed.

    When SoR became a host overnight and was paired with another host, did people complain this much?

    When Kaineng became a host while linked to another host, did people complain?

    There are at least 3 other examples.

    Again, it’s BGs second link, ever.

    One up, one down will adjust.

    If BG is not given the link, will there be any bawagonning? That's my point.

    I know it's those guilds or players who jumped into ET and caused this terrible imbalance.

    Again, why give a link to a very strong T1 server, who has been doing very well on its own for many years, and then blame it on the bandwagoners?

    It's like thowing feeds into the field and blame the rats or birds for eating them :D

    Have you played the mode the last 8 months?

    People have been bandwaggoning constantly. They would have gone elsewhere. It just happened to be ET this time.

  • Mil.3562Mil.3562 Member ✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Mil.3562 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Mil.3562 said:
    The question still remains; why BG needs a link? Like I mentioned in previous post, BG is consistently moving in and out of T1 by itself without a link, and for some unknown reasons ANet feel the need to give them one while those servers remaining in T3 and T4 for many weeks continued to struggle up the tier level?

    I just logged out from the game and all the four maps in T1, ie the two Alpine Borderlands, Desert Borderland and EBG are totally capped by BG except for the Spawn Camps. And it has been like that for many hours. Yes, it couldn't be more balanced than this. BG says thank you Anet.

    Again, the bigger question is who bandwagonned ET.

    That’s what has changed.

    When SoR became a host overnight and was paired with another host, did people complain this much?

    When Kaineng became a host while linked to another host, did people complain?

    There are at least 3 other examples.

    Again, it’s BGs second link, ever.

    One up, one down will adjust.

    If BG is not given the link, will there be any bawagonning? That's my point.

    I know it's those guilds or players who jumped into ET and caused this terrible imbalance.

    Again, why give a link to a very strong T1 server, who has been doing very well on its own for many years, and then blame it on the bandwagoners?

    It's like thowing feeds into the field and blame the rats or birds for eating them :D

    Have you played the mode the last 8 months?

    People have been bandwaggoning constantly. They would have gone elsewhere. It just happened to be ET this time.

    I see we are on a different page here, probably different book even ^^
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  • Farout.8207Farout.8207 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 26, 2018

    @blackgamma.1809 said:

    @Farout.8207 said:

    @blackgamma.1809 said:
    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:

    Unfortunately, due to technological limitations, we cannot amend this error until the next scheduled reset, which will take place on 28 December 2018. Again, we apologize for this issue and intend to take steps to prevent this sort of problem from happening in the future.

    so if there is somehow a technological limitation, what is the technological limitations that didnt exist back then, that does now?

    It is Christmas

    im aware. but that doesn't make it a technological limitation.
    unless they semantically mean they can't find a anet dev and a car to drive to work during this time of the year

    Yeah, I was being sarcastic. It has nothing to do with technological limitations, they let everyone go home too soon. They totally dropped the ball on this one.

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  • @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    People have been bandwaggoning constantly. They would have gone elsewhere. It just happened to be ET this time.

    Except certain individuals to BG have been putting out the all call to people to stack the server through the link while all the fair-weather stackers just want to be on BG because their fanboy status is higher than weebs.

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  • @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Mil.3562 said:
    The question still remains; why BG needs a link? Like I mentioned in previous post, BG is consistently moving in and out of T1 by itself without a link, and for some unknown reasons ANet feel the need to give them one while those servers remaining in T3 and T4 for many weeks continued to struggle up the tier level?

    I just logged out from the game and all the four maps in T1, ie the two Alpine Borderlands, Desert Borderland and EBG are totally capped by BG except for the Spawn Camps. And it has been like that for many hours. Yes, it couldn't be more balanced than this. BG says thank you Anet.

    Again, the bigger question is who bandwagonned ET.

    That’s what has changed.

    When SoR became a host overnight and was paired with another host, did people complain this much?

    When Kaineng became a host while linked to another host, did people complain?

    There are at least 3 other examples.

    Again, it’s BGs second link, ever.

    One up, one down will adjust.

    Nobody bandwagoned to ET from the looks of it; the population still shows Medium. It will remain to be seen in a week or so if it still sitting at medium. Who on earth would transfer to ET only to log on to have nothing to do, it makes no sense. The reason BG is sitting where they are is because they have a huge pug population that logs on when the going gets easy. It's evident their population still vastly outnumbers others. This is why they can't use play hours as a means of creating a host, a link, or making servers open or closed.

    Now if per chance it is true that those groups of guilds whom are notorious for jumping ship and bandwagoning to a new server ended up going to ET, then ET will end up becoming it's own host at next re-link. If those guilds did that, Anet should just permanently lock them down on ET until alliances hit, and let them forever sit in T3/T4.

  • @DeadlySynz.3471 said:
    This is why they can't use play hours as a means of creating a host, a link, or making servers open or closed.

    What would you suggest they use instead of play hours?

  • Has Anet made an announcement whether the matchups will be reverted back to how it is rn, or according to how this week will turn up?

  • Djamonja.6453Djamonja.6453 Member ✭✭✭

    @Calli.6309 said:
    Has Anet made an announcement whether the matchups will be reverted back to how it is rn, or according to how this week will turn up?

    The links will be the ones that they posted here in the forums (according to Anet). The matchups we don't know -- it could be glicko * RNG like regular relink-resets are, so the matchup could be different. I don't think it's going to be 1 up/1 down.

  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @juno.1840 said:

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Mr Pin.6728 Some of those have some very obvious answers...
    What steps are you taking to prevent this in the future and why did it happen in the first place?

    Problably none, this was simply human mistake...

    Unacceptable answer -- any software developer with more than 12 months of experience will tell you that the entire software development process is centered around catching mistakes as early as possible. There are many steps in this process that could have caught this mistake, but a simple peer review is one of the easiest.

    It's a serious problem when a software company continues to pass defects onto the end-user. It suggests a lack of process, a lack of control, a lack of resources, etc. -- none of which bode well for the company or the customers.

    Brushing it off as a "simple human mistake" is itself a mistake.

    idk man... This game have some bugs that are 6 years old. I guess I'm just too used to software mistakes...

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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @juno.1840 said:

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Mr Pin.6728 Some of those have some very obvious answers...
    What steps are you taking to prevent this in the future and why did it happen in the first place?

    Problably none, this was simply human mistake...

    Unacceptable answer -- any software developer with more than 12 months of experience will tell you that the entire software development process is centered around catching mistakes as early as possible. There are many steps in this process that could have caught this mistake, but a simple peer review is one of the easiest.

    It's a serious problem when a software company continues to pass defects onto the end-user. It suggests a lack of process, a lack of control, a lack of resources, etc. -- none of which bode well for the company or the customers.

    Brushing it off as a "simple human mistake" is itself a mistake.

    idk man... This game have some bugs that are 6 years old. I guess I'm just too used to software mistakes...

    And yet, when the game is closed down during reset for ANY reason, patch or otherwise (and I do get the frustration that it is normally for a PvE patch) the WvW community goes into an even worse meltdown mode.

  • Heibi.4251Heibi.4251 Member ✭✭✭

    @Djamonja.6453 said:

    @Calli.6309 said:
    Has Anet made an announcement whether the matchups will be reverted back to how it is rn, or according to how this week will turn up?

    The links will be the ones that they posted here in the forums (according to Anet). The matchups we don't know -- it could be glicko * RNG like regular relink-resets are, so the matchup could be different. I don't think it's going to be 1 up/1 down.

    Yeah, would be totally unfair to the affected servers to count this week's score. Just fix the links and do the week over with the same match ups.

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  • Shazmataz.1423Shazmataz.1423 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 27, 2018

    @Heibi.4251 said:

    @Djamonja.6453 said:

    @Calli.6309 said:
    Has Anet made an announcement whether the matchups will be reverted back to how it is rn, or according to how this week will turn up?

    The links will be the ones that they posted here in the forums (according to Anet). The matchups we don't know -- it could be glicko * RNG like regular relink-resets are, so the matchup could be different. I don't think it's going to be 1 up/1 down.

    Yeah, would be totally unfair to the affected servers to count this week's score. Just fix the links and do the week over with the same match ups.

    Score doesn't mean much anyway but there has been enough player movement between servers that it should be a complete relink or we will suffer the consequences for next 2 months. The meant links will be flawed which will result in 2 months of kitten matches.

  • neven.3785neven.3785 Member ✭✭✭

    They need more than a week to work out the population metrics on their slide rule

  • Slide rule???....I think they use piles of stones, their fingers and forget to take off their shoes.

  • Odinens.5920Odinens.5920 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2018

    @Heibi.4251 said:
    So the server that received the erroneous links will get to advance due to this "Bug"? Or are you going to fix the match and repeat the match-ups from this week? Very unfair to the other servers facing them. YB will now just roll over everyone. Look at the current match-up between YB, HOD and SOS - YB is walking away with it and the other servers can't stop or slow them down, and they know it. Should have been as simple as going in like you do on Friday night and re-linking the servers and zeroing the scores. If I worked there and made that mistake I would want to fix it. Professionalism should be job one. Enjoy the Christmas present YB.

    You think YB likes this mistake? HAH. We hate it just as much as everyone else, because if they don't do glicko with the fix we're screwed. At least now we know what it feels like to be on a stacked server, if only for a week.

  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Heibi.4251 said:

    @Djamonja.6453 said:

    @Calli.6309 said:
    Has Anet made an announcement whether the matchups will be reverted back to how it is rn, or according to how this week will turn up?

    The links will be the ones that they posted here in the forums (according to Anet). The matchups we don't know -- it could be glicko * RNG like regular relink-resets are, so the matchup could be different. I don't think it's going to be 1 up/1 down.

    Yeah, would be totally unfair to the affected servers to count this week's score. Just fix the links and do the week over with the same match ups.

    What exactly would be unfair? Just because a server moved down and other moved up? What exactly does one gain or lose with that?

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  • I am from GoM and so is 3 of my guildies too. We stop going to WvW for the past week because foe is right outside our home base. Even with outnumber bonus, we cannot walk out at all. Will there be any compensation from this error?

  • I certainly hope not. I think Anet should do random relinks all the time. Never tell anybody where they are going. I know it won't stop server stacking, but it would at least make people wait a bit before doing it.

  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @oOStaticOo.9467 said:
    I certainly hope not. I think Anet should do random relinks all the time. Never tell anybody where they are going. I know it won't stop server stacking, but it would at least make people wait a bit before doing it.

    Technically they do... They never announce the link before doing it.

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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @fayewind.4693 said:
    I am from GoM and so is 3 of my guildies too. We stop going to WvW for the past week because foe is right outside our home base. Even with outnumber bonus, we cannot walk out at all. Will there be any compensation from this error?

    So, they have all three exits on 4 maps blocked?

  • @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @oOStaticOo.9467 said:
    I certainly hope not. I think Anet should do random relinks all the time. Never tell anybody where they are going. I know it won't stop server stacking, but it would at least make people wait a bit before doing it.

    Technically they do... They never announce the link before doing it.

    Then how do Guilds know before the relink which server they are going to pay other people to transfer to? I have seen posts where people state that some guilds do this before AND after the relink.

  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2018

    @oOStaticOo.9467 said:

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @oOStaticOo.9467 said:
    I certainly hope not. I think Anet should do random relinks all the time. Never tell anybody where they are going. I know it won't stop server stacking, but it would at least make people wait a bit before doing it.

    Technically they do... They never announce the link before doing it.

    Then how do Guilds know before the relink which server they are going to pay other people to transfer to? I have seen posts where people state that some guilds do this before AND after the relink.

    I never heard of people knowing beforehand which the links would be except in the cases where Anet posted the NA links along with the EU links (Which happen a few hours before NA). Unless these people have inside info or some kind of scrying witchcraft there isn't a way of them knowing it until Anet post them.

    After the link, you can just get the info from other players without waiting Anet to post. I gathered all links information in a few minutes after reset, long before anet posted them here.

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  • @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @fayewind.4693 said:
    I am from GoM and so is 3 of my guildies too. We stop going to WvW for the past week because foe is right outside our home base. Even with outnumber bonus, we cannot walk out at all. Will there be any compensation from this error?

    So, they have all three exits on 4 maps blocked?

    Come see for yourself.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @fayewind.4693 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @fayewind.4693 said:
    I am from GoM and so is 3 of my guildies too. We stop going to WvW for the past week because foe is right outside our home base. Even with outnumber bonus, we cannot walk out at all. Will there be any compensation from this error?

    So, they have all three exits on 4 maps blocked?

    Come see for yourself.

    You own your Third in EbG.

    And it’s hard to believe that they have all three exits from span blocked on every map. Just because they own the structures, doesn’t mean they are preventing you from leaving.

    Looking at the KdR, it would appear that GOM is doing well from the kill v death perspective.

    Get a group of five together, find the most lightly defended exit, and go take their stuff on the other side of the map.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    More reason to remove the option to transfer in the first place, or at least limit it to

    @SteepledHat.1345 said:
    I don't understand why this is such a big deal? Seriously, WvW has 0 consequences now. Just go make the best of the situation you find yourself in.

    It's strange, I know, but this is a GAME, and games are supposed to be FUN. When you're constantly outnumbered and outgunned because of a mistake, that isn't "fun".

    I also speak from experience as my server is against GoM this week, and since the re-link commanders have repeatedly reminded each other to go easy on them, because if every time you logged in you had a war score of 50 and didn't control your own garrison, you'd just log off, and that's fun for nobody.

    Mistakes happen, and I'm glad ANET is able to address this as quickly as they did.

  • @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    I also speak from experience as my server is against GoM this week, and since the re-link commanders have repeatedly reminded each other to go easy on them, because if every time you logged in you had a war score of 50 and didn't control your own garrison, you'd just log off, and that's fun for nobody.

    Mistakes happen, and I'm glad ANET is able to address this as quickly as they did.

    War score right now is 43! LOL I am on GOM and it sure doesn't feel to me like our opposing servers are going easy. It may have started to go easy since I was talking to AR Commanders and told me they would. ( I don't know any NSP Commanders) GOM was just linked to AR a week ago, they were being easy but only for about two days. After that it was a free for all. The opposing servers haven't focused on each other much, just PPT GOM desert bl over and over... Desert BL is completely blue and hasn't changed so far as NSP upgrading our towers and keeps because much of GOM has stopped playing earlier in the week, myself included. I mean, why bother? You get rolled on any map that you are on. The past 3-4 days I only log on to do my dailies. We own nothing red on Desert BL as of this post and haven't for quite awhile with a war score of 40. AR and NSP are having a field day... I hope tonight's reset has a turn of direction.. Very disappointing for me as a player having to give up playing wvw

    As far as Anet, I don't think they have addressed it yet but they are aware that the problem exists. I think a lot of repercussions will happen because of it if not already

  • Artaz.3819Artaz.3819 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2018

    So BG, TC (+JQ), and YB headed to T1. Wow, huge surprise /s

    I think this was basically WvW matchups for something like Years 2 through 4, no? Ah the 'good' ole' days

    EDIT: ANet you know how you fix this permanently...want to hear it...implement the promised Alliances

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Challenge.3567 said:

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    I also speak from experience as my server is against GoM this week, and since the re-link commanders have repeatedly reminded each other to go easy on them, because if every time you logged in you had a war score of 50 and didn't control your own garrison, you'd just log off, and that's fun for nobody.

    Mistakes happen, and I'm glad ANET is able to address this as quickly as they did.

    War score right now is 43! LOL I am on GOM and it sure doesn't feel to me like our opposing servers are going easy. It may have started to go easy since I was talking to AR Commanders and told me they would. ( I don't know any NSP Commanders) GOM was just linked to AR a week ago, they were being easy but only for about two days. After that it was a free for all. The opposing servers haven't focused on each other much, just PPT GOM desert bl over and over... Desert BL is completely blue and hasn't changed so far as NSP upgrading our towers and keeps because much of GOM has stopped playing earlier in the week, myself included. I mean, why bother? You get rolled on any map that you are on. The past 3-4 days I only log on to do my dailies. We own nothing red on Desert BL as of this post and haven't for quite awhile with a war score of 40. AR and NSP are having a field day... I hope tonight's reset has a turn of direction.. Very disappointing for me as a player having to give up playing wvw

    As far as Anet, I don't think they have addressed it yet but they are aware that the problem exists. I think a lot of repercussions will happen because of it if not already

    I'm on AR, so I know many of the commanders, at least earlier in the week, were discussing it. I do recall the odd one being a bit salty because GoM nabbed a keep, but hey, it's WvW :) At least everything will be fixed as of tonight, and I imagine many people didn't have much time to play anyways given the holiday season.

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    .....

    Yeah, that would not have gone over well.

  • Heibi.4251Heibi.4251 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2018

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Heibi.4251 said:

    @Djamonja.6453 said:

    @Calli.6309 said:
    Has Anet made an announcement whether the matchups will be reverted back to how it is rn, or according to how this week will turn up?

    The links will be the ones that they posted here in the forums (according to Anet). The matchups we don't know -- it could be glicko * RNG like regular relink-resets are, so the matchup could be different. I don't think it's going to be 1 up/1 down.

    Yeah, would be totally unfair to the affected servers to count this week's score. Just fix the links and do the week over with the same match ups.

    What exactly would be unfair? Just because a server moved down and other moved up? What exactly does one gain or lose with that?

    Let's see:
    YB is four servers currently. They were blob city all week. They rolled over everyone. This week was not a true measure of their ability.
    CD got no link. They may have lost anyway, but they didn't stand chance this week due to the screw up.
    GOM also got no link. Same as CD in this case.
    So, yeah, all three match ups in those tiers should be replayed as they should have been played. The proper glicko can then be applied next week.

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  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2018

    @Heibi.4251 said:

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Heibi.4251 said:

    @Djamonja.6453 said:

    @Calli.6309 said:
    Has Anet made an announcement whether the matchups will be reverted back to how it is rn, or according to how this week will turn up?

    The links will be the ones that they posted here in the forums (according to Anet). The matchups we don't know -- it could be glicko * RNG like regular relink-resets are, so the matchup could be different. I don't think it's going to be 1 up/1 down.

    Yeah, would be totally unfair to the affected servers to count this week's score. Just fix the links and do the week over with the same match ups.

    What exactly would be unfair? Just because a server moved down and other moved up? What exactly does one gain or lose with that?

    Let's see:
    YB is four servers currently. They were blob city all week. They rolled over everyone. This week was not a true measure of their ability.
    CD got no link. They may have lost anyway, but they didn't stand chance this week due to the screw up.
    GOM also got no link. Same as CD in this case.
    So, yeah, all three match ups in those tiers should be replayed as they should have been played. The proper glicko can then be applied next week.

    And what exactly is the problem if they don't? What exactly those servers are losing?

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  • @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    They won’t be matched against BG for 9 weeks. It’s one up, one down.

    One up, one down is great if you are in T2-T4, but when you are in T1, only 1 server ever changes. There is a great possibility that SBI could be stuck with BG until the end of February. Unfortunately we are finishing second this week so this will make 2 weeks against BG being constantly outnumbered and spawn camped with BG owning nearly everything on every map. Needless to say BG and the bandwagon transfers to ET have made this week nothing but a living hell for SBI and CD and it is only going to get worse before it gets better unfortunately.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mystic Moon Maiden.3786 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    They won’t be matched against BG for 9 weeks. It’s one up, one down.

    One up, one down is great if you are in T2-T4, but when you are in T1, only 1 server ever changes. There is a great possibility that SBI could be stuck with BG until the end of February. Unfortunately we are finishing second this week so this will make 2 weeks against BG being constantly outnumbered and spawn camped with BG owning nearly everything on every map. Needless to say BG and the bandwagon transfers to ET have made this week nothing but a living hell for SBI and CD and it is only going to get worse before it gets better unfortunately.

    Do what others have done: convince your server to tank.

    Who knows, when the weeks shake out.

  • @Mystic Moon Maiden.3786 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    They won’t be matched against BG for 9 weeks. It’s one up, one down.

    One up, one down is great if you are in T2-T4, but when you are in T1, only 1 server ever changes. There is a great possibility that SBI could be stuck with BG until the end of February. Unfortunately we are finishing second this week so this will make 2 weeks against BG being constantly outnumbered and spawn camped with BG owning nearly everything on every map. Needless to say BG and the bandwagon transfers to ET have made this week nothing but a living hell for SBI and CD and it is only going to get worse before it gets better unfortunately.

    I'm really unsure if there are as many bandwagoners to ET as people think they are. The population of the server still shows medium. The one guild that went there apparently only went there to play on reset night and hasn't played since (and will be leaving after).

    Could it possibly be that BG has a ginormous sleeper population that suddenly decided to come out when they got a link? Highly likely. I can't see how a medium population server put them way over the edge. I think this just confirms that BG should never have a link under any circumstances. If their players choose not to play for whatever reason, that's on them.

  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DeadlySynz.3471 said:

    @Mystic Moon Maiden.3786 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    They won’t be matched against BG for 9 weeks. It’s one up, one down.

    One up, one down is great if you are in T2-T4, but when you are in T1, only 1 server ever changes. There is a great possibility that SBI could be stuck with BG until the end of February. Unfortunately we are finishing second this week so this will make 2 weeks against BG being constantly outnumbered and spawn camped with BG owning nearly everything on every map. Needless to say BG and the bandwagon transfers to ET have made this week nothing but a living hell for SBI and CD and it is only going to get worse before it gets better unfortunately.

    I'm really unsure if there are as many bandwagoners to ET as people think they are. The population of the server still shows medium. The one guild that went there apparently only went there to play on reset night and hasn't played since (and will be leaving after).

    Could it possibly be that BG has a ginormous sleeper population that suddenly decided to come out when they got a link? Highly likely. I can't see how a medium population server put them way over the edge. I think this just confirms that BG should never have a link under any circumstances. If their players choose not to play for whatever reason, that's on them.

    I question if there was a Population reevaluation at all considering that none of the servers changed their status from last week despite many movements occuring on relinks.

    @Mystic Moon Maiden.3786 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    They won’t be matched against BG for 9 weeks. It’s one up, one down.

    One up, one down is great if you are in T2-T4, but when you are in T1, only 1 server ever changes. There is a great possibility that SBI could be stuck with BG until the end of February. Unfortunately we are finishing second this week so this will make 2 weeks against BG being constantly outnumbered and spawn camped with BG owning nearly everything on every map. Needless to say BG and the bandwagon transfers to ET have made this week nothing but a living hell for SBI and CD and it is only going to get worse before it gets better unfortunately.

    As long your server don't outppt TC next week, it's likely that you are out of the tier... TC+JQ did a pretty kitten good PPT job to win T2 with a 0.6 KDR.

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  • Heibi.4251Heibi.4251 Member ✭✭✭

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Heibi.4251 said:

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Heibi.4251 said:

    @Djamonja.6453 said:

    @Calli.6309 said:
    Has Anet made an announcement whether the matchups will be reverted back to how it is rn, or according to how this week will turn up?

    The links will be the ones that they posted here in the forums (according to Anet). The matchups we don't know -- it could be glicko * RNG like regular relink-resets are, so the matchup could be different. I don't think it's going to be 1 up/1 down.

    Yeah, would be totally unfair to the affected servers to count this week's score. Just fix the links and do the week over with the same match ups.

    What exactly would be unfair? Just because a server moved down and other moved up? What exactly does one gain or lose with that?

    Let's see:
    YB is four servers currently. They were blob city all week. They rolled over everyone. This week was not a true measure of their ability.
    CD got no link. They may have lost anyway, but they didn't stand chance this week due to the screw up.
    GOM also got no link. Same as CD in this case.
    So, yeah, all three match ups in those tiers should be replayed as they should have been played. The proper glicko can then be applied next week.

    And what exactly is the problem if they don't? What exactly those servers are losing?

    I can see that no matter what answer I give you are going to ignore facts. Conversation ended. Yay - you win. Now keep thinking that this week was a fair match up.

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  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2018

    @Heibi.4251 said:

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Heibi.4251 said:

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Heibi.4251 said:

    @Djamonja.6453 said:

    @Calli.6309 said:
    Has Anet made an announcement whether the matchups will be reverted back to how it is rn, or according to how this week will turn up?

    The links will be the ones that they posted here in the forums (according to Anet). The matchups we don't know -- it could be glicko * RNG like regular relink-resets are, so the matchup could be different. I don't think it's going to be 1 up/1 down.

    Yeah, would be totally unfair to the affected servers to count this week's score. Just fix the links and do the week over with the same match ups.

    What exactly would be unfair? Just because a server moved down and other moved up? What exactly does one gain or lose with that?

    Let's see:
    YB is four servers currently. They were blob city all week. They rolled over everyone. This week was not a true measure of their ability.
    CD got no link. They may have lost anyway, but they didn't stand chance this week due to the screw up.
    GOM also got no link. Same as CD in this case.
    So, yeah, all three match ups in those tiers should be replayed as they should have been played. The proper glicko can then be applied next week.

    And what exactly is the problem if they don't? What exactly those servers are losing?

    I can see that no matter what answer I give you are going to ignore facts. Conversation ended. Yay - you win. Now keep thinking that this week was a fair match up.

    I never said that match was fair... I just said you are making too much noise for somenthing that isn't a issue. So what if servers drop a tier? You get a whole lot of nothing by winning/losing WvW matchups anyway.

    If anything YB will be the most affected server if they maintain the 1u1d because they are going up to T2 with less people than they had on T3. But you obviously don't care about YB because they are the villains in your eyes since they are the Quadlink that dominated the matchup unfairly.

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  • HBKOmega.5039HBKOmega.5039 Member
    edited December 28, 2018

    Thanks for nothing. This past week has been nothing but BS (awesome censorship too). GW2 is dying because issues like this go unfixed because Anet is too busy going on vacation to fix their own mistakes. That should have been a simple fix yet nothing was done about it so some players get rewarded while others are punished unfairly. It's so much fun logging into ebg and not being able to move past the entrance waypoint because YB has a 4 server zerg bag farming anyone who enters. Bravo, Anet staff.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @HBKOmega.5039 said:
    Thanks for nothing. This past week has been nothing but BS (awesome censorship too). GW2 is dying because issues like this go unfixed because Anet is too busy going on vacation to fix their own mistakes. That should have been a simple fix yet nothing was done about it so some players get rewarded while others are punished unfairly. It's so much fun logging into ebg and not being able to move past the entrance waypoint because YB has a 4 server zerg bag farming anyone who enters. Bravo, Anet staff.

    I didn’t realize your matchup doesn’t have other maps.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Ahh. Well then. That was a ... reasoned response. Hope your day is good!

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