What about if the autos couldn't crits anymore?

I think the competitive game would improve a lot if autoattacks from the players and its minions couldn't crit for the player and the minions (like pets).No other change. As simple as that.

Because IMO what it makes combat unsustainable is getting hit every half a second for a fifth of your life pool ( ~4k ) not to mention those autos which can reach up 8k.Still big crits would be available with any other skills so the big numbers for the casuals still would be there, and not having crits on auto would fix most of the "one shot" builds.

As an example the soulbeast, the problem is not the Rapid Fire which did 14k but the following 7k autos which comes later and makes impossible to heal. Same with the hammer revenant. And D\P thief. And exactly the same for every other power class. So they can't use "1 win button" and let the autos do the rest.

It's a very simple solution which i think would fix almost all meme builds but still be available the builds which require some preparation for the big numbers.

What do you think?

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@"anduriell.6280" said:I think the competitive game would improve a lot if autoattacks from the players and its minions couldn't crit for the player and the minions (like pets).No other change. As simple as that.

Because IMO what it makes combat unsustainable is getting hit every half a second for a fifth of your life pool ( ~4k ) not to mention those autos which can reach up 8k.Still big crits would be available with any other skills so the big numbers for the casuals still would be there, and not having crits on auto would fix most of the "one shot" builds.

As an example the soulbeast, the problem is not the Rapid Fire which did 14k but the following 7k autos which comes later and makes impossible to heal. Same with the hammer revenant. And D\P thief. And exactly the same for every other power class. So they can't use "1 win button" and let the autos do the rest.

It's a very simple solution which i think would fix almost all meme builds but still be available the builds which require some preparation for the big numbers.

What do you think?

i will say you what will happen:

1. anet read your post
2. anet ignore your post
3. new mount Skins get available with next patch

Problem solved….

No thanks.

Could gut all auto attack damage and add utility to them with basic things like vulnerability, +endurance, poison, heal and such as we have already.

Condi players: "Sure, why not?"

@"Clownmug.8357" said:Condi players: "Sure, why not?"

They could remove condi from aa too...

It's a good start.

No, and it sounds like you and your group need to be running projectile hate (reflection, absorption, destruction) effects.

The auto attacks of these classes is already their weakest skills and a minimal fraction of their dps in large fights. And vs a proper opposing zerg, projectile effects are next to useless unless they are way spread out in open field. In which case they should be strong to counteract “clouding” strategy.

Now if your loosing to a hammer rev 1v1... umm, thats kinda a learn to play issue.

What class in WvW Zerging even uses thear Autos?

Firebrand doesn’t do dmg anyway.Scourges don’t.Rev don’t because Projectile.Weaver don’t because Projectile.Spellbreaker Omegalul.Mesmer Omgealul.

You could delete all Auto Attacks and you would not see a single difference.

rip balanced build damagerip on crit traits/sigilsrip life since fights will take a day minimum

Mastery Rank should give u more HP

The problem is, if they removed crits on autos they'd likely end up increasing the base damage to compensate, which on high crit chance builds would be a damage reduction, but if you have 30% ish it could actually be a buff to damage over time because of the more consistent damage output.

@DanAlcedo.3281 said:What class in WvW Zerging even uses thear Autos?

Firebrand doesn’t do dmg anyway.Scourges don’t.Rev don’t because Projectile.Weaver don’t because Projectile.Spellbreaker Omegalul.Mesmer Omgealul.

You could delete all Auto Attacks and you would not see a single difference.

It's probably a veiled attempt to get backstab/death judgment nerfed ;)

@Celsith.2753 said:

@DanAlcedo.3281 said:What class in WvW Zerging even uses thear Autos?

Firebrand doesn’t do dmg anyway.Scourges don’t.Rev don’t because Projectile.Weaver don’t because Projectile.Spellbreaker Omegalul.Mesmer Omgealul.

You could delete all Auto Attacks and you would not see a single difference.

As if Thief would need Autos to kill someone :#

@Celsith.2753 said:

@DanAlcedo.3281 said:What class in WvW Zerging even uses thear Autos?

Firebrand doesn’t do dmg anyway.Scourges don’t.Rev don’t because Projectile.Weaver don’t because Projectile.Spellbreaker Omegalul.Mesmer Omgealul.

You could delete all Auto Attacks and you would not see a single difference.

Or Long Range Shot because apparently everyone now thinks it's normal to get crit for 10k with it.

Spoiler, it's not.

If you look at the classes that hit the hardest, it's not their auto's doing the damage. As for long range shot hitting for 10K, it must be a specific set up for a 1 time hit doing it. I play full glass on ranger, and it never hits anyone for 10K not even other glass targets. So complaining about a 1 off hit, isn't entirely valid.

@"SpellOfIniquity.1780" said:

@Celsith.2753 said:

@DanAlcedo.3281 said:What class in WvW Zerging even uses thear Autos?

Firebrand doesn’t do dmg anyway.Scourges don’t.Rev don’t because Projectile.Weaver don’t because Projectile.Spellbreaker Omegalul.Mesmer Omgealul.

You could delete all Auto Attacks and you would not see a single difference.

He plays ranger and has made multiple threads complaining about thief

@DeadlySynz.3471 said:If you look at the classes that hit the hardest, it's not their auto's doing the damage. As for long range shot hitting for 10K, it must be a specific set up for a 1 time hit doing it. I play full glass on ranger, and it never hits anyone for 10K not even other glass targets. So complaining about a 1 off hit, isn't entirely valid.

Mmmm not a one time hit though. Sic Em! is a 10s 40% extra damage buff, thats a lot of autos. I regularly hit 9k under this buff and seeing 10k isnt unusual - on other glass players of course.

@Celsith.2753 said:He plays ranger and has made multiple threads complaining about thiefHey easy there, no need to be touchy or get personal, my suggestion would affect all classes the same.

This change should not affect backstab itself (or malice backstab) but the autos following. Which would give any player at least a chance to recover if they dont get 3k autos every 1/4 of sec as thief dagger does not have tangible CD.

There is no need to increase the base damage of the autos, already the damage output is ridiculous and there are a lot of complains about one shot builds. Which aren't anything else than a massive hit and a couple of 4k autos.

This is not to change how the game plays, still most of your combos should work the same. But those relaying into absurd autos every half a second would need to reconsider the strategy and actually plan the combo secuence. For example boonbeast would see it's damage affected as most of the damage comes from 3-4k axe autos.

Condis don't need to be affected by this change, i mean some builds need to be addressed but because the build does something is not suppose to happen, Burst with condis.

PS: as bonus raids would become more interesting as definitely a player afking in autos would do low damage. All classes would need to squeeze better the rotations to get the best damage.

@anduriell.6280 said:

@Celsith.2753 said:He plays ranger and has made multiple threads complaining about thief

why not post this in general discussion then? Or under the ‘raid’ section?

@Strider Pj.2193 said:

@anduriell.6280 said:

@Celsith.2753 said:He plays ranger and has made multiple threads complaining about thief

because is a bonus if applied to pve too, the main point is the opening post.

@anduriell.6280 said:

@Strider Pj.2193 said:

@anduriell.6280 said:

@Celsith.2753 said:He plays ranger and has made multiple threads complaining about thief

Actually, it’s becauee you know the reception it will receive there.

It doesn’t help WvW.

Warriors be like "HELL NO"Your idea is crazy from a warrior perspective, if auto attacks deal no critical damage then warrior will suffer the most because they will deal basic damage on melee contact, which goes against what they suppose to do!

For some reason I had this mental image of a warrior running around with a noodle hitting everyone.

we have so many ways of mitigating and avoiding damage in this game that taking away damage would be a terrible idea. This isn't like WoW or SWTOR where the combat style is to walk around eating each other's damage and the guy with better gear wins. You actually have the ability to avoid damage in GW2.