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Wintersday Raid

Why the heck wasn't this a five man? No one will join to do it? It baffles me that games like FFXIV and WoW have been doing raid finding for years, but we still can't get a solid way of gathering 10 players for a friggin holiday festival "raid!" I fricking HATE the way this game handles any type of >5 man content. It's absurd.

Next time put in a fricking queue!

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  • I have had no trouble getting people to join this, regardless of whether I have started with me alone or with others. (Although once I merged my group of 2 with their group of 3, because I'm impatient.) The longest I've waited to fill from LFG was 5 minutes; the longest I've waited for my own invitees to join was 10-15.

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • SteepledHat.1345SteepledHat.1345 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 25, 2018

    Well, I'm glad you've had a good time with it. This is why I avoid raids. Too much time commitment just to get a group. I really couldn't care less about the real raids, but if you're gonna put in temporary content then you should have an auto-queue.

  • @SteepledHat.1345 said:
    Why the heck wasn't this a five man? No one will join to do it? It baffles me that games like FFXIV and WoW have been doing raid finding for years, but we still can't get a solid way of gathering 10 players for a friggin holiday festival "raid!" I fricking HATE the way this game handles any type of >5 man content. It's absurd.

    Next time put in a fricking queue!

    You want to do it if on eu you can do it with me

  • @SteepledHat.1345 said:
    Well, I'm glad you've had a good time with it.

    Actually, I didn't address the issue of whether it's fun. The thread seems to be about whether people join or not and, presuming that they don't, that maybe it should have been a 5-person instance instead of a 10-person raid.

    Accordingly, I stated my opinion: I don't think it's nearly as time consuming to form a group as implied. Every group I was in took anyone/everyone who wanted in, we didn't check for prof or DPS. I've been bringing the mercy scourge because it allows people to learn as they go, but it hasn't always mattered. And again, it's taken longer to gather friends/guildies/acquaintances; the PUG groups have been quick to coalesce.

    It takes less total time than either Infinirarium or Toypocolypse.

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 25, 2018

    @OP:

    Have you put your request the right lfg for it? There's a "festival" lfg at the end of the panel. Here in EU it usually doesn't take any longer than 10-15 minutes to get a group going during the afternoon or early evening. I did it almost every day now besides one time the first days and yesterday because the 24th is christmas time in a lot of countries.

  • Eramonster.2718Eramonster.2718 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Had no problem forming a group for Wintersday Raid as well. Placed a LFG and asked in map chat :smile: . Can easily low man it too (did it with 6 players).

  • Dahkeus.8243Dahkeus.8243 Member ✭✭✭

    Been doing this daily since it was released. Never had any trouble getting a full 10 person group. The rare times I didn't see a group already forming in LFG, I just created my own group and filled all 10 spots in just a few minutes.

  • No, you all are just white knighting for Anet, as per usual forum conduct. There's no excuse to inconvenience your customers. A queue is a basic modern mmo feature. Implement one - your experience is irrelevant. This is a baseline feature of nearly every other mmo on the market. I've been here since beta and the level of phoning in these boards let slide still amazes me.

  • gonandro.4768gonandro.4768 Member ✭✭
    edited December 27, 2018

    A dude complaining about something not being the way he wants in gw2 forums.
    what a surprise

  • @SteepledHat.1345 said:
    No, you all are just white knighting for Anet, as per usual forum conduct. There's no excuse to inconvenience your customers. A queue is a basic modern mmo feature. Implement one - your experience is irrelevant. This is a baseline feature of nearly every other mmo on the market. I've been here since beta and the level of phoning in these boards let slide still amazes me.

    Seriusly never had problem you think everyone is lying. Problem with que is you can get people whos not intrested in playing just want rewards. For i not had any problem getting ppl to join

  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SteepledHat.1345 said:
    No, you all are just white knighting for Anet, as per usual forum conduct. There's no excuse to inconvenience your customers. A queue is a basic modern mmo feature. Implement one - your experience is irrelevant. This is a baseline feature of nearly every other mmo on the market. I've been here since beta and the level of phoning in these boards let slide still amazes me.

    You're in the wrong subforum for calling the corresponding members "white knights". Your assumption couldn't be worse. :D

    But yeah, never expect anything from a rage kiddie. I'm really curious you survived that long in the game without using the lfg in a reasonable way. Hint: It's easy even for raids I'm finding enough groups to join every day.

  • Just update the game with the base modern convenience. I really couldn't care less about any of your opinions. It's unacceptable and it needs to change.

  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Play "Toypocalypse". It has an autofiller option if you talk to the npc on the ground and not using the portal the stairs above. It's also content where such a system can work because it's braindead content. Autofill wouldn't work for alsmost all fractal groups especially not for groups running T2 or higher (including CMs) on a daily basis. For GW2 raids this system would result in 99% of the groups not being able to kill any of the bosses. But yeah, "modern convenience"...you should really think ahead.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 27, 2018

    @SteepledHat.1345 said:
    Just update the game with the base modern convenience. I really couldn't care less about any of your opinions. It's unacceptable and it needs to change.

    Welcome to the forums. People have varying opinions.

    If you want to only submit ideas for change and demands there is customer support and customer feedback emails from Arenanet.

    Obviously to some fo us the current state is absolutely acceptable.

  • zoomborg.9462zoomborg.9462 Member ✭✭✭

    @SteepledHat.1345 said:
    Just update the game with the base modern convenience. I really couldn't care less about any of your opinions. It's unacceptable and it needs to change.

    Why post on forum if u dont care about other people's opinions? The very essence of a forum is for people to exchange opinions. You should just send a ticket to support and demand w/e u wanna demand. Wont get far with that attitude though....

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Automated queues are easier done in other games than gw2 tho since other games have a hard trinity and the build costumisation is much more limited there.

    I could see them adding a queue and then ppl running into the problem where 10 zerk eles join or something and you have no one to tank or no one to heal.

    U can say "then add role selection" but then how does the game know whats a good class for that role, what if a thief or a warrior queue as healers or a ranger queues as tank.

    I dont think it cant be done but it fir sure would be harder than most other mmos.

  • @zealex.9410 said:
    Automated queues are easier done in other games than gw2 tho since other games have a hard trinity and the build costumisation is much more limited there.

    I could see them adding a queue and then ppl running into the problem where 10 zerk eles join or something and you have no one to tank or no one to heal.

    U can say "then add role selection" but then how does the game know whats a good class for that role, what if a thief or a warrior queue as healers or a ranger queues as tank.

    I dont think it cant be done but it fir sure would be harder than most other mmos.

    This is literally the situation in elder scrolls online. They have queues and require certain aspects of a build be present to queue as a role.

  • Laila Lightness.8742Laila Lightness.8742 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2018

    @SteepledHat.1345 said:
    Just update the game with the base modern convenience. I really couldn't care less about any of your opinions. It's unacceptable and it needs to change.

    Just becuse one game works one way so dont i mean all shall use exact same mechanics. And also you dont care of other ppls opinion. Big news this is a forum. A que system has big issues also since ppl can troll and you will have ppl who will que to then afk. A que dont neccesery work better. Current system works.

  • @Vinceman.4572 said:
    Play "Toypocalypse". It has an autofiller option if you talk to the npc on the ground and not using the portal the stairs above. It's also content where such a system can work because it's braindead content. Autofill wouldn't work for alsmost all fractal groups especially not for groups running T2 or higher (including CMs) on a daily basis. For GW2 raids this system would result in 99% of the groups not being able to kill any of the bosses. But yeah, "modern convenience"...you should really think ahead.

    For almost all fractal groups? Really? Is that a joke? The t4 content can be completed with 5 dps no supports and certainly don’t need specific meta setups in order to be completed easily. Plus a properly implemented queue would filter for supports/dps etc. just like in every mmo that has a queue.

  • @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:
    The t4 content can be completed with 5 dps no supports and certainly don’t need specific meta setups in order to be completed easily.

    There's a difference between "can be completed" and "is being completed." I agree that the meta isn't required, but it's not the case that 5 random people running DPS are succeeding.

    I imagine if GW2 and queuing for instanced PvE, they'd realize this and figure out some sort of solution. But let's try to remember that this MMO has some mechanics that different strongly from other MMOs and it probably wouldn't work the same.

    Regardless, it's moot. The current system works; it's just not convenient for everyone's needs. It's going to take something more than "but everyone else does it" to convince ANet that GW2 should, too.

    I'm not at all against the idea; I just haven't seen a compelling argument as to why it's necessary, let alone urgent and/or important.

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • LucianTheAngelic.7054LucianTheAngelic.7054 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2018

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:
    The t4 content can be completed with 5 dps no supports and certainly don’t need specific meta setups in order to be completed easily.

    There's a difference between "can be completed" and "is being completed." I agree that the meta isn't required, but it's not the case that 5 random people running DPS are succeeding.

    I’ll agree to disagree with you on this point then, but only because my own personal experience tells me otherwise. Nevertheless, like you and I both have mentioned if they did implement a queue they would be completely stupid not to include filters for support/healing. I don’t think it’s necessarily a pressing matter to implement it, I mostly commented to disagree with anyone in this thread that thinks it can’t work as a matter of principal; it’s clearly doable even with gw2’s “unique non-trinity” structure it would just require a little extra thought is all.

  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2018

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:
    The t4 content can be completed with 5 dps no supports and certainly don’t need specific meta setups in order to be completed easily. Plus a properly implemented queue would filter for supports/dps etc. just like in every mmo that has a queue.

    As a veteran fractal players for years: Tell that to those who try to kill Thaumanova Ooze, Mai Trin, Twilight Oasis, Shattered Observatory (normal mode) and to a lower amount Nightmare (normal mode!) and Underground facility (the room with the locked door at start as well as the final boss). Since I'm having my fractal god I have left out CMs for some months now and joined several different T4 groups. You don't want to know what you can encounter - from player side!

    An auto fill system can work and I'm sure it'll work in a certain way but I don't see any bigger advantage than the current system or that it would be superior to the current one. The meta is set in stone with little variants but you don't have to use it neither now nor with an auto fill system that's clear. So, my question is, where is the massive improvement such a new system would create? If you want a healer you can ask for a healer now as well. For a boon bot it'll get harder now since the latest patch we're having a slight change from chrono (1 class) to fb+ren (2 classes). The auto fill system can fail here (of course it needn't) while the current system gives you a wider tolerance than a strict auto filler with "heal" + "support" + "dps". As you said you'll still be able to make adjustments in the auto fill system but in the end it's not better compared to what we have now.
    In case of the OP's experience an auto fill system wouldn't have helped him at all since he hasn't found a group/lfg or nobody joined his lfg as he described. The fun part is despite he being unsuccessful every other contributor in this thread had 0 problems to get into the freezie instance on a daily basis.

  • @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:
    The t4 content can be completed with 5 dps no supports and certainly don’t need specific meta setups in order to be completed easily.

    There's a difference between "can be completed" and "is being completed." I agree that the meta isn't required, but it's not the case that 5 random people running DPS are succeeding.

    I’ll agree to disagree with you on this point then, but only because my own personal experience tells me otherwise.

    Interesting how different our experiences are. My static takes on PUGs to fill gaps left by RL. I'd say quite a lot are good enough to succeed in any group. We've also had plenty who get carried and more than a few who... we wonder what the heck build they are running that they can't out-DPS the druid, boon-chrono, or mercy scourge we sometimes run. I suppose if PUGging went into an autoqueue, some of those would stop playing and some would put in some effort into getting better. (Which might not be a bad thing for the game mode.)

    Nevertheless, like you and I both have mentioned if they did implement a queue they would be completely stupid not to include filters for support/healing. I don’t think it’s necessarily a pressing matter to implement it, I mostly commented to disagree with anyone in this thread that thinks it can’t work as a matter of principal; it’s clearly doable even with gw2’s “unique non-trinity” structure it would just require a little extra thought is all.

    I'd agree with you: if ANet wanted it, they'd figure out something to handle the things that make GW2 different from other games. Although, the LFG categories do leave me worried there might be a long adjustment period for us.

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • thrag.9740thrag.9740 Member ✭✭✭

    Me and 3 friends beat this thing 4 manning it. The 4 of us are in a static, so I can understand you might need more than 4 players, but you definitely don't need 10 players, just invite some friends and go in.

  • @SteepledHat.1345 said:
    No, you all are just white knighting for Anet, as per usual forum conduct.

    This is a classic. If someone disagrees on you on the forums, call them white knights and boom, you win the argument

  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Did this raid everyday.
    Never had a problem finding a squad.

  • Zunki.3916Zunki.3916 Member ✭✭✭

    It's basically a well tuned 5 man dungeon but to make it more accessible you can enter with up to 10 ppl. I think that's quite fair from anet, and I'm telling this as a basically guildless non-static player doing stuff rather casually (but still beating the stuff).

    Viable != Optimal

    Not viable = You only get carried, 10 players with a build as "viable as yours" can't properly do it.

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