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So... If the Human Gods are just superpowered entities, who/what are the real Creators?

Lucas.3718Lucas.3718 Member ✭✭

I started to think about it, when playing my mesmer and thought to myself: Is there an acuall god of time, or someone who keeps the primordial singularities (Time, Space, Reality, Existence etc) in check ? Something we call an omnipotent god or something like a conciousness like that.

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 27, 2018

    I don't think so. I would expect The All is the closest we have observed to touch on this, but even in game we are only aware of a tiny proportion of it
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_All

    We did however, establish in the thread a few down on the subject that it def wasn't He-Man

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  • I guess it's the same as our world. We can only speculate.

    What we do know is that Tyria is part of a multiverse that is connected via the mists. The human gods are from some place that isn't Tyria and brought the human species with them. Whether this multiverse was create by someone, where this someone came from, who created the place where he came from or where that someone came from is all unknown.

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  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 27, 2018

    Yes, in a manner of speaking. It's called The Mists.

    Before there were humans or dwarves, before there were even worlds or the stars that light the night sky, there was but one thing in the universe—the Mists. The Mists touch all things. They are what binds the universe together, past present, and future. They are the source of all good and evil, of all matter and knowledge. It is said that all forms of life, no matter how simple or complex, can trace their origins back to this one place.

    The Mists constantly creates new things - both original things as well as (sometimes imperfect) copies of pre-existing things - and it is the origin of everything. It's the equivalent of a perpetual Big Bang, basically.

    It isn't sentient (nor sapient), however, so it isn't a "god" but it would be the closest thing to the Abrahamic God in the GWverse, just remove any personality, form, and communication from Yehweh and you basically got The Mists.

    The Mists is effectively the combination of 1) mist-looking protomatter (the source of the name, in fact) which is perpetually creating new things (from fractals to words to living beings to souls), 2) the equivalent of outer space / the space that exists between worlds and realms (The Rift acting as a hub for this kind of travel), 3) various afterlife realms like the Underworld, Fissure of Woe, etc.

  • Castigator.3470Castigator.3470 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 27, 2018
    #IFNDEF MULTIVERSE_H
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    But jokes aside, from the Perspective of Tyria we couldn't really see into the depths of the Mists, and we have so far been unable to check out the other universes attached to the Mists, aside from the World vs. World potential parallel Tyrias, that were created to hold all the possible outcomes of Tyria, as well as all the possible Commanders.
    There may be some entity, or entities, who created all of that, and on a meta level we can point our fingers at Arenanet as the creator of the GW universe, but that is not a satisfactory answer from a narrative perspective.
    And I don't think it's likely that we will get an answer to this question anytime soon, as there is so much unexplored surface on Tyria, not to mention that in the Trailer it looks like Kralkatorrik may be coming out of the Mists to fight us.

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 27, 2018

    It's something that tickles the curiosity of mankind since the beginning of time, we already want to believe there's a higher being that created us humans

    but what created those higher beings?


    even from science's perspective, the consensus is the universe began with the big bang, but that's just a theory
    and what came before it and the catalyst that made the big bang to happen (if indeed happened) is unknown

    @Stephen Hawking
    "Since events before the Big Bang have no observational consequences, one may as well cut them out of the theory, and say that time began at the Big Bang. Events before the Big Bang, are simply not defined, because there's no way one could measure what happened at them."



    so really there is no point of asking because it will always be unexplained by anet's writers
    if they answer 1, more questions will pop-up by the community to explain more

    so it's more logical to question the things that had happened in the background since the arrival of the gods, anything prior to arrival we should just treat them as they are base on the info anet gave, no more no less, unless they want to throw more in to explain the current events

    :)

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  • why does there even need to be a creator?

    random fluctuations... all you need. Gods? just beings a tiny bit more powerful than other beings. Done.

  • @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    why does there even need to be a creator?

    random fluctuations... all you need. Gods? just beings a tiny bit more powerful than other beings. Done.

    Well this is a pretty Psychological and philosophical issue.
    From reading this thread we can assume that a whole bunch of People WANTS a true god Fitting their Imagination exist and some even NEED to believe in this existence

    the psychological aspect of this would be "why" are they yearning so much for an omnipotent and omnicient god?

  • Imba.9451Imba.9451 Member ✭✭✭

    I actually like it the way it is.
    Expanding upon this topic in the lore would create a WoW scenario, wich elevated the story from simply Orcs vs Humans into "The planet is just a giant space egg for some space god"-scheme.
    Every story can only go so far before it becomes "too much". And bringing up a creator in the GW2 lore would simply take away from all the conflicts that have happened.

  • @norbes.3620 said:

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    why does there even need to be a creator?

    random fluctuations... all you need. Gods? just beings a tiny bit more powerful than other beings. Done.

    Well this is a pretty Psychological and philosophical issue.
    From reading this thread we can assume that a whole bunch of People WANTS a true god Fitting their Imagination exist and some even NEED to believe in this existence

    the psychological aspect of this would be "why" are they yearning so much for an omnipotent and omnicient god?

    Well, maybe the People want to know their purpose? The reason they exist?
    Because, you know, you cannot set your reason for existence before you are born. So, without a GOD we have no reason and no purpose to exist.
    And the existence without a reason is a nonsense (in my opinion).

  • The existence of a Creator God requires the solution to a rather troubling philosophical/ontological paradox called infinite regress or "Turtles All the Way Down". Basically, if you have a god who created the multiverse, who or what created that god? If something or some greater god created that lesser creator god, then who or what created the greater god? And so on. The solution I like best is that the Creator God is self-sustaining, that is, It requires no causality for Its existence (unlike everything we see in the universe with the debatably possible exception of the universe itself). Really you either have to have an eternal God or an eternal universe for cosmogenesis to occur. There's no other way to do it.

    As a Christian, I'm naturally biased to believe that a world that created itself is a cosmological fallacy. It's much easier for me to believe that a sentient God created a clearly non-sentient universe than that a non-sentient universe created everything we see in Tyria (which is also somewhat disparaging of the Anet team's creative abilities). That being said, I recognize that Anet would want to keep this particularly sticky ground as neutral as possible, and that neutrality would demand a more Greek view of the world, formed out of Chaos by natural processes (I would also argue that in doing so they are not being neutral at all, but that's another conversation entirely).

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