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  • looks normal, they seem beta testing.

    Urge

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ArenaNet You guys really need to take bots seriously.
    This was one of the glaring reasons BnS pvp died a few weeks after release.
    Bots kill pvp in MMO's, either you are actively discouraging this or you are going to sit back and watch the pvp in your game become deserted like your first one.
    Times ticking.

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • Aza.2105Aza.2105 Member ✭✭✭

    What if we found out that this was Anets way of secretly testing ai bots to add to the game similar to heroes in gw1.

  • @Solori.6025 said:
    @ArenaNet You guys really need to take bots seriously.
    This was one of the glaring reasons BnS pvp died a few weeks after release.
    Bots kill pvp in MMO's, either you are actively discouraging this or you are going to sit back and watch the pvp in your game become deserted like your first one.
    Times ticking.

    Sadly it's going to be the latter on this one. Anet has had plenty of time to catch it - maybe even multiple seasons that this has been happening.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2019

    @Xar.6279 said:
    Its nothing new tbh. Bots always were here and will be.
    Its all about current state of PvP - that's main problem.

    Low population of good PvP players makes that bots are more noticeable by everyone.

    But why population is so low etc etc? Its simple.
    People these days (2018/2019) dont want to play PvP and spend a lot of their time to practice it in games which dont support PvP and Esport enough.
    Its just not worth their effort.

    Edit:
    It all slowly started in early 2017. When ArenaNet stopped organizing world PvP championships. Esl were shut down. They also removed 5v5 games from ranked. So everyone had to play solo. PvP scene died. And since this moment with every season it's getting worse

    Yea that removal of team queue was a smashing success at killing off small guilds who focused on pvp...

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    PvP forum members must be making a new football oval judging by the way they move the goalposts of every post.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion

  • Xuazinegueri.3592Xuazinegueri.3592 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 7, 2019

    I hope they fix this quick

  • phokus.8934phokus.8934 Member ✭✭✭

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Zenix.6198 said:
    It actually speaks volumes about the state of mirage considering bots are in top 250
    thinking :

    WoodenPotatoes talked on a stream this sunday about a scourge bot in platinum and how he went out of his way to deliberately tank it's rating.

    And in ANet fashion, WP will get suspended for match manipulation.

  • PierPiero.9142PierPiero.9142 Member ✭✭
    edited January 4, 2019

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    ( ...) and that free accounts could probably deposit gold or send gold to the main accounts.

    I think that's why it takes Anet so long to ban those bots and their "owners", they are probably waiting for them to send the Gold/Items so they can track the owners account and ban their main.

    However if that's the thing I find it difficult to believe that Anet wouldn't have access to the IP addresses with which the accounts were made.

    IP adress for cable and adsl are not static so if you ban an IP you risk to deny to play to a normal player . This is the reason why ban is on user i think

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @PierPiero.9142 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    ( ...) and that free accounts could probably deposit gold or send gold to the main accounts.

    I think that's why it takes Anet so long to ban those bots and their "owners", they are probably waiting for them to send the Gold/Items so they can track the owners account and ban their main.

    However if that's the thing I find it difficult to believe that Anet wouldn't have access to the IP addresses with which the accounts were made.

    IP adress for cable and adsl are not static so if you ban an IP you risk to deny to play to a normal player . This is the reason why ban is on user i think

    Isn't there a way to ban people based on the unique ID from a piece of hardware within the machine?

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • @Solori.6025 said:

    @PierPiero.9142 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    ( ...) and that free accounts could probably deposit gold or send gold to the main accounts.

    I think that's why it takes Anet so long to ban those bots and their "owners", they are probably waiting for them to send the Gold/Items so they can track the owners account and ban their main.

    However if that's the thing I find it difficult to believe that Anet wouldn't have access to the IP addresses with which the accounts were made.

    IP adress for cable and adsl are not static so if you ban an IP you risk to deny to play to a normal player . This is the reason why ban is on user i think

    Isn't there a way to ban people based on the unique ID from a piece of hardware within the machine?

    I could spin up a new virtual machine in minutes with a unique MAC address.

    #nornmodeisbestmode

  • Delweyn.1309Delweyn.1309 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2019

    Just ban an account. The cheater will have to buy the game again + expansion. It's nice enought.
    And as those bots are quite easy to catch, it could be very beneficial for them.
    I think that Anet just don't care at all.

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2019

    @Red Haired Savage.5430 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @PierPiero.9142 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    ( ...) and that free accounts could probably deposit gold or send gold to the main accounts.

    I think that's why it takes Anet so long to ban those bots and their "owners", they are probably waiting for them to send the Gold/Items so they can track the owners account and ban their main.

    However if that's the thing I find it difficult to believe that Anet wouldn't have access to the IP addresses with which the accounts were made.

    IP adress for cable and adsl are not static so if you ban an IP you risk to deny to play to a normal player . This is the reason why ban is on user i think

    Isn't there a way to ban people based on the unique ID from a piece of hardware within the machine?

    I could spin up a new virtual machine in minutes with a unique MAC address.

    Yes. But I was thinking you could do this the same time you ban an account. This way when the person hitting buys a new account that one gets perma banned too until the botter figures it out. If they arent using a virtual machine already. Just thinking of ways to make the process inconvenient enough to discourage botting in the first place
    Edit. What's your suggestion for getting rid of bots?

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • @Solori.6025 said:

    @Red Haired Savage.5430 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @PierPiero.9142 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    ( ...) and that free accounts could probably deposit gold or send gold to the main accounts.

    I think that's why it takes Anet so long to ban those bots and their "owners", they are probably waiting for them to send the Gold/Items so they can track the owners account and ban their main.

    However if that's the thing I find it difficult to believe that Anet wouldn't have access to the IP addresses with which the accounts were made.

    IP adress for cable and adsl are not static so if you ban an IP you risk to deny to play to a normal player . This is the reason why ban is on user i think

    Isn't there a way to ban people based on the unique ID from a piece of hardware within the machine?

    I could spin up a new virtual machine in minutes with a unique MAC address.

    Yes. But I was thinking you could do this the same time you ban an account. This way when the person hitting buys a new account that one gets perma banned too until the botter figures it out. If they arent using a virtual machine already. Just thinking of ways to make the process inconvenient enough to discourage botting in the first place

    Actually if they were doing this through a VM it's even easier.

    #nornmodeisbestmode

  • FyzE.3472FyzE.3472 Member ✭✭✭

    Still no comments from devs? Even the regular "we hear you"? Great. Makes me wanna play this game a lot more...

  • Delweyn.1309Delweyn.1309 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 7, 2019

    @FyzE.3472 said:
    Still no comments from devs? Even the regular "we hear you"? Great. Makes me wanna play this game a lot more...

    All the bots I reported and who are in my friendlist are all here and doing their games. None is missing. And I still continue to play with them everyday.
    I'll put the screen of all their matches at the end of the season.

  • FyzE.3472FyzE.3472 Member ✭✭✭

    @Delweyn.1309 said:

    @FyzE.3472 said:
    Still no comments from devs? Even the regular "we hear you"? Great. Makes me wanna play this game a lot more...

    All the bots I reported and who are in my friendlist are all here and doing their games. I'll put the screen of all their matches at the end of the season.

    Thanks man! Hope this will raise some attention :)

  • Delweyn.1309Delweyn.1309 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 7, 2019

    @FyzE.3472 said:

    @Delweyn.1309 said:

    @FyzE.3472 said:
    Still no comments from devs? Even the regular "we hear you"? Great. Makes me wanna play this game a lot more...

    All the bots I reported and who are in my friendlist are all here and doing their games. I'll put the screen of all their matches at the end of the season.

    Thanks man! Hope this will raise some attention :)

    From who ? The dev. ? Players to spread the information ?
    I think I'm just going tired of this, and will accept this, like Anet probably want.
    Another case that will be forgotten with time.

  • FyzE.3472FyzE.3472 Member ✭✭✭

    @Delweyn.1309 said:

    @FyzE.3472 said:

    @Delweyn.1309 said:

    @FyzE.3472 said:
    Still no comments from devs? Even the regular "we hear you"? Great. Makes me wanna play this game a lot more...

    All the bots I reported and who are in my friendlist are all here and doing their games. I'll put the screen of all their matches at the end of the season.

    Thanks man! Hope this will raise some attention :)

    From who ? The dev. ? Players to spread the information ?
    I think I'm just going tired of this, and will accept this, like dev. probably want.
    Another case that will be forgotten wih time.

    Reddit? They can't just ignore it there.

  • I mean, they clearly read the forums. @Gaile Gray.6029 merged the power rankings after less than a day.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • Sturm Medik.1569Sturm Medik.1569 Member
    edited January 7, 2019

    After reading this I couldn't believe it so I started checking all the mesmers I play with or against. I was shocked. A lot of them have 3000+ games. This is so disappointing...

  • Mbelch.9028Mbelch.9028 Member ✭✭✭

    I actually asked a question on a stream by Jawgeous (anet partner) while Ben P was watching. Jawgeous said he's seen a number of these accounts and he works with CS to get them dishonored. He also said he hopes to get about 30 more dishonored.

    It seems Anet knows about it, they might not be willing to comment yet outside of their circles.

  • Conspiracy Theory: Anet created the bots to make pvp seem more populated.

  • Delweyn.1309Delweyn.1309 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2019

    And here it goes for the grand finale.

    Matches played and ratio for 9 bot users this season.

    https://imgur.com/a/4714Gcs

    So

    • They are the bot accounts that I was able to catch. There should be more.
    • They were all mesmer mirage (and 1 necro) in this list
    • They can climb to gold

    • Seems there are 2 types of bot users. The one who try to not catch too much attention by doing "only" 500-800 matches". And the one who don't care and have done nearly 4k matches in this season.

    • They were all able to do the entire season. So they were right to not care. And knowing this, we can expect to see more of them in next seasons.
    • It impacts economy. Prices go up because of those guys who made thousands and thousands of golds.
  • I don't think Anet gives a kitten.

  • Question: What is ad how do they play bots? I was asked last nite why I was botting and was baffled what they meant. I heard or farming bots but how can a bot play PvP?

  • Delweyn.1309Delweyn.1309 Member ✭✭✭

    Anyway, I see 2 of those bot users who are not in invisible mode, doing fractales, story and wvw like normal. One is having more than 34k achiev.

    So they are not all just gold farming accounts. They have done their 500-700 ranked matches this season and god know how many golds/gems like this, and continue to play like you and me who are struggling for every gold made.

    Cool life.

  • avey.4201avey.4201 Member ✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    How to get rid of bots 101: ban all accounts with a mirage ;) j/k, but would be a good April fools joke hint hint Anet who technically wasn't here, and didn't see anything B) .

  • Delweyn.1309Delweyn.1309 Member ✭✭✭

    @avey.4201 said:
    How to get rid of bots 101: ban all accounts with a mirage ;) j/k, but would be a good April fools joke hint hint Anet who technically wasn't here, and didn't see anything B) .

    No, because they use mirage atm before this spe is just overcheated for automated actions in pvp. Huge survivability and condi pression that's powerfull in low ranks.
    But if mirage didn't existed, bot users would use any other class, but with much less efficiency.

  • avey.4201avey.4201 Member ✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    @Delweyn.1309 said:

    @avey.4201 said:
    How to get rid of bots 101: ban all accounts with a mirage ;) j/k, but would be a good April fools joke hint hint Anet who technically wasn't here, and didn't see anything B) .

    No, because they use mirage atm before this spe is just overcheated for automated actions in pvp. Huge survivability and condi pression that's powerfull in low ranks.
    But if mirage didn't existed, bot users would use any other class, but with much less efficiency.

    Meant as a joke.

    I didn't realize bots in GW2 were so advanced, I would've thought they were all players had I fought them. "except the one adjusting direction rapidly in the video".
    It may help Anet to know if patches put them offline for abnormal times or a day, they may be modifying the client to get such advanced bots, and potentially could've allowed them to slip by the march ban. Else they will be using DLL and Anet has the means to detect them.

  • Dreddo.9865Dreddo.9865 Member ✭✭✭

    This is hillarious tbh and a reason why the mode is dead :-(

  • Tomo.8324Tomo.8324 Member ✭✭

    Now my 1st love in this game & GW1 as been pvp, im not a BOT, before any one says :-D
    This is my take on it....
    This season alone iv played1413 match's over 2 accounts
    Total of 6107 ranked matches over all
    so iv seen a real change in the amount of these BOTS, i think this is even bigger then Anet are willing to admit... or are they in control ?
    Most teams seem to have 2 or 3 bots n that's seems to be the deciding factor in the out come of the match,
    You might all so have one real player in charge of the bots, A Handler if you like, there job is to stop any activity that might not make the game go there way,
    So the team with the most bots win = Most Profit
    The handlers Direct or RAGE @ real players, Sadly any one that doesn't know better, to obvious kill zones, that the bots will be programed to go to, so to tie up the game or just keep farming points from one point,
    Iv have probable been reported Hundreds of times, or at least threatened by these people for just not doing what they want to throw the match, to which i say PLS DO, I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, Anet can check my Data, i don't cheat, how about U ?.....
    & if the fight still isn't going there way they simply log out on one side or the other
    I have become pretty good @ spotting this activate, And play accordingly, i love trolling the throwers n bots, high lighting them for all to see
    I apologies to any one that's encountered me in game & just thinks I'm rude, i am not, just passionate about my pvp
    I will try to help any one that asks, but if it looks like a bot n walks like a bot, Expected to get called such :-D
    I'm a whale biologist :-D
    Any one from GW1 who knows how to pull there enemy, and block them like the good old Bot riddled Jade Query days should do well in pvp now, its all about pulling them off point n keeping them busy, And ignoring the moron Handlers raging @ U :-D
    THINK for YOURSELVES
    Hope this tactic helps yall next season
    Most of all HF
    Tomo

  • @Tomo.8324 said:
    Now my 1st love in this game & GW1 as been pvp, im not a BOT, before any one says :-D
    This is my take on it....
    This season alone iv played1413 match's over 2 accounts
    Total of 6107 ranked matches over all
    so iv seen a real change in the amount of these BOTS, i think this is even bigger then Anet are willing to admit... or are they in control ?
    Most teams seem to have 2 or 3 bots n that's seems to be the deciding factor in the out come of the match,
    You might all so have one real player in charge of the bots, A Handler if you like, there job is to stop any activity that might not make the game go there way,
    So the team with the most bots win = Most Profit
    The handlers Direct or RAGE @ real players, Sadly any one that doesn't know better, to obvious kill zones, that the bots will be programed to go to, so to tie up the game or just keep farming points from one point,
    Iv have probable been reported Hundreds of times, or at least threatened by these people for just not doing what they want to throw the match, to which i say PLS DO, I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, Anet can check my Data, i don't cheat, how about U ?.....
    & if the fight still isn't going there way they simply log out on one side or the other
    I have become pretty good @ spotting this activate, And play accordingly, i love trolling the throwers n bots, high lighting them for all to see
    I apologies to any one that's encountered me in game & just thinks I'm rude, i am not, just passionate about my pvp
    I will try to help any one that asks, but if it looks like a bot n walks like a bot, Expected to get called such :-D
    I'm a whale biologist :-D
    Any one from GW1 who knows how to pull there enemy, and block them like the good old Bot riddled Jade Query days should do well in pvp now, its all about pulling them off point n keeping them busy, And ignoring the moron Handlers raging @ U :-D
    THINK for YOURSELVES
    Hope this tactic helps yall next season
    Most of all HF
    Tomo

    Don't know what you were smoking but kitten it seems powerful.

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