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Resurrection and Desmina

So in Guild Wars 1, players had resurrection skills, and if they died there were resurrection shrines. Now, we have the "downed" and "defeated" states, but it seems like death is pretty final. What changed?
The most obvious answer is that Grenth left and Dhuum took his place as good of death, after escaping his shackles. Now, the main difference between them is that Dhuum believed death should be final, and disallowed resurrections and undeath, while Grenth was far more lenient and even let mortals visit the Underworld now and then.
Now we've sealed Dhuum again, and Desmina has taken the throne of the Underworld. Does that mean that resurrection magic will return to the world? Will it only affect humans, since the other races don't go to the same place? (Where do they go anyway?)

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  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @James Orland.9786 said:
    So in Guild Wars 1, players had resurrection skills, and if they died there were resurrection shrines. Now, we have the "downed" and "defeated" states, but it seems like death is pretty final. What changed?
    The most obvious answer is that Grenth left and Dhuum took his place as good of death, after escaping his shackles. Now, the main difference between them is that Dhuum believed death should be final, and disallowed resurrections and undeath, while Grenth was far more lenient and even let mortals visit the Underworld now and then.
    Now we've sealed Dhuum again, and Desmina has taken the throne of the Underworld. Does that mean that resurrection magic will return to the world? Will it only affect humans, since the other races don't go to the same place? (Where do they go anyway?)

    Dhuum never took over as god of death. Dhuum had around the same amount of power that Balthazar had and used that power to take over the underworld, Desmina is just in charge of the Underworld until, or if, Grenth returns.

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  • Aracz.4702Aracz.4702 Member ✭✭
    edited December 31, 2018

    @James Orland.9786 said:
    Now we've sealed Dhuum again, and Desmina has taken the throne of the Underworld. Does that mean that resurrection magic will return to the world? Will it only affect humans, since the other races don't go to the same place? (Where do they go anyway?)

    During story, Commander after death goes to Doman of the Lost no matter of choosen race, and you can even find there ghosts of other races.
    And what happens to your soul after death doesn't depend of your race, but from your deeds and way you dead. For example, Doman of the Lost is "house" for souls of persons who died in traumatic ways (quote from wiki: "Domain of the Lost is part of the Underworld. It is where those who died too traumatic a death and forgot themselves go").
    Probably every newly-dead soul is going to one of the domains in the Underworld, a house of Grenth and Ravem (Spirit of the wild), then they are judged and sent to their final destinations. But in matter of deeds, it's possible to find other fate after death (for sure your fate after judgement depend on what you did during life). Mists are endless and still expanding, we can suspect that there are more domains, but for sure where you go don't depend on race, but on what you did during your life. Powerful beings from the Mists aren't racists and they for sure understand why particular person did during live what he/she did :P (okay, not the evil beings)

  • @Aracz.4702 said:

    @James Orland.9786 said:
    Now we've sealed Dhuum again, and Desmina has taken the throne of the Underworld. Does that mean that resurrection magic will return to the world? Will it only affect humans, since the other races don't go to the same place? (Where do they go anyway?)

    During story, Commander after death goes to Doman of the Lost no matter of choosen race, and you can even find there ghosts of other races.
    And what happens to your soul after death doesn't depend of your race, but from your deeds and way you dead. For example, Doman of the Lost is "house" for souls of persons who died in traumatic ways (quote from wiki: "Domain of the Lost is part of the Underworld. It is where those who died too traumatic a death and forgot themselves go").

    Well, in a way, race does matter. Or more specifically, religious belief which is tied heavily to culture and, as such, race. Those who forget themselves go to the Domain of the Lost, but after they find themselves again they go to their intended afterlife, which is determined not just by deeds but belief.

    That's why Nicholas and Yngvild decided not to move on. Despite having the same deeds in life, their beliefs differ so their afterlife would as well, but they didn't want to separate.

    This would, of course, mean that a non-human who believed in Grenth will take their final place in the Icy Wastes or Forgotten Vale depending on their devotion levels. But most will end up being human (and Forgotten and dwarf) due to the faith of Grenth being strongest in those races.

  • From how the Asura PC talks about the Eternal Alchemy I imagine they just rejoin the cycle in some manner usually. What's more ambiguous is Sylvari and Charr. Well apart from Olmakhan who I imagine have their own afterlife.

  • Ayakaru.6583Ayakaru.6583 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Eekasqueak.7850 said:
    From how the Asura PC talks about the Eternal Alchemy I imagine they just rejoin the cycle in some manner usually. What's more ambiguous is Sylvari and Charr. Well apart from Olmakhan who I imagine have their own afterlife.

    Didn’t the charr originally believe in the “eternal warfields”? Or something like that.
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  • @Ayakaru.6583 said:

    @Eekasqueak.7850 said:
    From how the Asura PC talks about the Eternal Alchemy I imagine they just rejoin the cycle in some manner usually. What's more ambiguous is Sylvari and Charr. Well apart from Olmakhan who I imagine have their own afterlife.

    Didn’t the charr originally believe in the “eternal warfields”? Or something like that.
    One long glorious battle into eternity

    I don't think we've ever heard anything about charr afterlife beliefs. You probably got that from a fan theory. TBH, that sounds like the Fissure of Woe, in all honesty anyways, with the Eternal Battle that wasn't so eternal.

  • James Orland.9786James Orland.9786 Member ✭✭
    edited January 2, 2019

    If you check the Raid Wing 5 dialogue, players from other races are all relieved that they're not going to the Underworld, while the human player says they hope this isn't their final stop there, which strongly suggests something about race.

    But also, does this mean Grenth's continued absence implies that resurrections are still unavailable?

  • ThatOddOne.4387ThatOddOne.4387 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2019

    Still available but under certain circumstances, judging by the Commander being, well, resurrected. The Judge seems to have some sort of control over that.

    (Still lowkey think the Judge is an aspect of Grenth himself, hence personal-sounding "Remind Balthazar not even a God escapes judgement" quote)

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 6, 2019

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:
    Still available but under certain circumstances, judging by the Commander being, well, resurrected. The Judge seems to have some sort of control over that.

    (Still lowkey think the Judge is an aspect of Grenth himself, hence personal-sounding "Remind Balthazar not even a God escapes judgement" quote)

    The judge is just like Desmina and the 7 reapers, but it seems the judge either died or left according to Hall of Chain's dialogue with Desmina

    Commander: And what happens now? There's no one left to rule the Underworld.
    Desmina: Isn't there?
    Desmina: Now leave me.

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  • ThatOddOne.4387ThatOddOne.4387 Member ✭✭✭

    That doesn't really imply the Judge has left. Why would he leave anyway?

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2019

    It kind of does imply the Judge left or died, since the Judge would be someone to lead the Underworld, and the dialogue states there's no one (but Desmina) left to rule the Underworld.

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