Marked needs equality and a buff

Currently marked is discriminatory against classes that rely on stealth. It should be buffed to provide equality. Make it remove vitality, toughness, healing power, +% health, -% damage stats that are used on all classes for survivability. This way it won't discriminate against certain builds in favor of other builds.

I have no words for stuff like this. Can't you cry alone in your corner?

There is no class that relies on stealth.

It's even more discriminatory against classes without stealth as are visible regardless. What's your point?

But sure we could buff it to provide equality. Just remove the ability to stealth while marked. Problem solved. All equal.

@sostronk.8167 said:Currently marked is discriminatory against classes that rely on stealth. It should be buffed to provide equality. Make it remove vitality, toughness, healing power, +% health, -% damage stats that are used on all classes for survivability. This way it won't discriminate against certain builds in favor of other builds.

And how would that not punish classes with more excess to stealth even more? I mean cutting their ability to stealth is one thing (and pretty annoying if your defense relies on that) but on top lowering hp and so on would be even worse...

Did....did someone just claim "discriminatory" and "equality" in a game mechanic? Did someone just seriously do that?

Happy 2019 everyone

Or... just delete Marked from the game, back to the old days of actually scouting objectives and group movement instead of this lazy sentry/objective balloon nonsense which discourages attackers. We already have sword map-markers in place.

Follow it up by giving a proper balance pass to "Classes that rely on stealth" who currently feel impacted by Marked. So primarily Thieves with builds other than S/D. And by balance i don't mean take stealth duration away and give nothing back. Their forum section would riot for days, days i tell you! No ridiculously long stealth up-times, compensated by something else. (I haven't mained thief in years so thief players have good suggestions i assume.)

Well this is rather hyperbolic. Enemy marked isn't everywhere, so stealth is still viable. Stop fighting around balloons maybe?

D:

@sostronk.8167 said:Currently marked is discriminatory against classes that rely on stealth. It should be buffed to provide equality. Make it remove vitality, toughness, healing power, +% health, -% damage stats that are used on all classes for survivability. This way it won't discriminate against certain builds in favor of other builds.

I'm fully with U that the marked mechanic is nothing more than a lazy way from anet to go against a stupid way of implemented playstyle, perma stealth DE. Your way of a solution is maybe not the best but it doesnt matter. In this forum u cant start this discussion. 95% of the wvw players are just frustrated that they got outplayed but classes like thief, they are to bad and not skilled enough to improve.

@Raiden The Beast.3016 said:

@sostronk.8167 said:Currently marked is discriminatory against classes that rely on stealth. It should be buffed to provide equality. Make it remove vitality, toughness, healing power, +% health, -% damage stats that are used on all classes for survivability. This way it won't discriminate against certain builds in favor of other builds.

I thought the first post was a mess, but this one takes the cake.

Low-energy troll. Don't take the bait, guys. ?

@"WraithOfStealth.1624" said:Or... just delete Marked from the game, back to the old days of actually scouting objectives and group movement instead of this lazy sentry/objective balloon nonsense which discourages attackers. We already have sword map-markers in place.

Follow it up by giving a proper balance pass to "Classes that rely on stealth" who currently feel impacted by Marked. So primarily Thieves with builds other than S/D. And by balance i don't mean take stealth duration away and give nothing back. Their forum section would riot for days, days i tell you! No ridiculously long stealth up-times, compensated by something else. (I haven't mained thief in years so thief players have good suggestions i assume.)

Obelix,youre as wise as you are pretty.

Yes, Anet needs to stop discriminating and give stealth to all the classes. Then we can all be equally affected by marked.

For true equality all classes should have access to all mechanics to the same degree. We will all be ONE class. But im pretty sure someone will find something to complain about.

sarcasm off.

The video below highlights why Marked was added. Just before I began recording he tried to attack me but when I evaded/countered his attempts, he went full defensive and didn't try again. Without a Target Painter to force Reveal on him, there wasn't anything I could do other than keep my eyes peeled for subtle tells of his location. Around 1:48 I notice someone had died on the first floor. I wasn't sure if he had been killed from the top floor or if the DE had hopped down to the first floor so I was still looking upwards when I dropped down.

Before I get any complaints about gameplay or lectures on how to properly kill a DE, I'm not looking for advice. I'm only sharing this to show how poorly designed perma-stealth Deadeye is and why it's the reason Marked was reworked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktvOap_kbP8

Stealth is so poorly implemented in GW2. Ive played other games that are terrible games but even they had the brain power and common sense to implement stealth that wasnt almost permanent and didn't require this "marked" mechanic to reveal stealth classes. They simply made it so that you were slower while stealthed and you could never ever be permanently stealthed.

I think this current marked mechanic is bad but if thats the only thing ANET is going to do i still prefer this than perma stealthed DE.

And please don't say L2P, i have a fully geared DE that i played around with in WvW for a day and was bored out of my skull how easy it was to kill and how easy it was to escape if i found someone i couldnt kill. My Kill/Death ratio was off the charts. (this was before the patch with the Marked update of course)

Stealth is discriminatory against classes that don't have much access to reveal. Mobility is also discriminatory against classes who can't chase well.

Therefore classes that have access to high amounts of stealth and mobility need to be nerfed.

@Optimator.3589 said:Yes, Anet needs to stop discriminating and give stealth to all the classes. Then we can all be equally affected by marked.

yes please, lets all just engage and disengage whenever we feel like it, and since we are all stealthed we wont even see each other and nobody gets hurt, then only the afk's will get hit by all we've got. since marked is removed then (because now we are all equall, we wont need that kitten anymore), just all stay in freshly capped big objectives and flip it over and over again because nobody can see kitten

@"SpellOfIniquity.1780" said:The video below highlights why Marked was added. Just before I began recording he tried to attack me but when I evaded/countered his attempts, he went full defensive and didn't try again. Without a Target Painter to force Reveal on him, there wasn't anything I could do other than keep my eyes peeled for subtle tells of his location. Around 1:48 I notice someone had died on the first floor. I wasn't sure if he had been killed from the top floor or if the DE had hopped down to the first floor so I was still looking upwards when I dropped down.

Before I get any complaints about gameplay or lectures on how to properly kill a DE, I'm not looking for advice. I'm only sharing this to show how poorly designed perma-stealth Deadeye is and why it's the reason Marked was reworked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktvOap_kbP8

quallity gameplay right there bro, sure was fun to waste your time like that, since winning doesnt even mean anything anymore i always just stopped bothering and left the objective. feels good to watch him die tho, wp

@"RedShark.9548" said:

quallity gameplay right there bro, sure was fun to waste your time like that, since winning doesnt even mean anything anymore i always just stopped bothering and left the objective. feels good to watch him die tho, wp

This is why I often write a "disclaimer" type sentence at the end of certain topics. Because some people have a hard time reading.

I'm only sharing this to show how poorly designed perma-stealth Deadeye is and why it's the reason Marked was reworked.

I literally pursued this Deadeye and began recording specifically so I had an example to share if ever it were relevant to a conversation.

@"SpellOfIniquity.1780" said:

@"RedShark.9548" said:

quallity gameplay right there bro, sure was fun to waste your time like that, since winning doesnt even mean anything anymore i always just stopped bothering and left the objective. feels good to watch him die tho, wp

I'm only sharing this to show how poorly designed perma-stealth Deadeye is and why it's the reason Marked was reworked.

not sure how long you were already in there but 5 min is pretty quick end to it and you didnt really try hard to find him,compared to what i did see people trying against me. ( not critique about you, more about that deadeye ;) )i got to agree such a situation is and was stupid for both the deadeye and the ones looking.as deadeye i can solo every lord, but i cannot do so or cannot flip it when i also need to fight a larger group of players. so when i am in a tower or keep that is not mine, going out of it would be throwing away that opportunity. but i might also not be able to fight the group looking for me or i knew killing them would result in a zerg here before i am done with the lord. so from my view i often felt it was the correct thing to just wait. especially if it was an upgradeded keep that my zerg just wiped inside. and every minute i waited would have been wasted if i gave up and leave. from the persepective of the defenders however, they usually do not want to leave a tower/keep with someone inside that might flip it. they sometimes leave just 1 person behind, then i kill that person and they all come back in no time to then wait with more people. after all inside that keep it was mostly still me picking the fight, so for a loner to kill me there i would need to make a fatal mistake.so the situation is mostly: 1 deadeye vs X opponents inside a keep/tower. who ever leaves will lose it, but there is also no fight over it as it doesnt make sense to fight for the deadeye and the opponents cannot initiate a fight. that is a bad situation for both sides. i certainly felt bad every time i left a tower/keep, thinking that i might have flipped it if i just had been more patient.IMO however the new marked is just a bad bandaid. because for it to change something i still have to get marked to begin with and it affects much more than just the permastealther inside your tower/keep.now here is an example of what could have been done instead that would have a greater effect on the deadeye inside keep, yet wouldnt affect too much combat outside of it.first of all i want a new t2 tactic for tower/keep to be put instead of banners:

Asuran Security Cleanup.spawns an asuran console (plenty of models from PvE ready to use) with X hp, that will mark any opponent within the object (within tower, only 'inner' of keeps) and will teleport them out of it after 1,5 minutes if the console is still up.30min cooldown.

if your inside with a group/zerg just destroy the console. yet that thief would need to try destroying it wich means you can just kill him trying or prevent him from doing so forcing him out.

now you may also spawn such a console on keep/tower flip and there you go no more deadeyes in your keep.then you can revert the mark affecting stealth and reduce passive marks overall on the map:

• killing a sentry rermoves the mark applied by it
• watchtower should just be replaced, maybe it just reduces the number of targets to trigger a battlemark.

@"SpellOfIniquity.1780" said:

@"RedShark.9548" said:

quallity gameplay right there bro, sure was fun to waste your time like that, since winning doesnt even mean anything anymore i always just stopped bothering and left the objective. feels good to watch him die tho, wp

I'm only sharing this to show how poorly designed perma-stealth Deadeye is and why it's the reason Marked was reworked.

oh i didnt mean it in any ways badly towards you, if i got your message right now ? i dont know, sarcasm is hard to read often times.anyways the "quallity gameplay" remark was sarcasm from my side towards the deadeye gameplay which is just kitten, and should absolutely NOT be possible in such a game. And the fact that you literally have to waste time in there to not let him flip anything is just not right aswell.

@gebrechen.5643 said:I have no words for stuff like this. Can't you cry alone in your corner?

...Carefulif to many of them gather in a corner they will cause a rebellion.

Much better to separate them by districts.

@"SpellOfIniquity.1780" said:The video below highlights why Marked was added. Just before I began recording he tried to attack me but when I evaded/countered his attempts, he went full defensive and didn't try again. Without a Target Painter to force Reveal on him, there wasn't anything I could do other than keep my eyes peeled for subtle tells of his location. Around 1:48 I notice someone had died on the first floor. I wasn't sure if he had been killed from the top floor or if the DE had hopped down to the first floor so I was still looking upwards when I dropped down.

Before I get any complaints about gameplay or lectures on how to properly kill a DE, I'm not looking for advice. I'm only sharing this to show how poorly designed perma-stealth Deadeye is and why it's the reason Marked was reworked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktvOap_kbP8

Target painter is fine as a trap, but the thrown version should not exist. Or, at the very least, it should be possible to block or evade it.

@MUDse.7623 said:For clarity, I was not chasing this DE because I was afraid he'd flip SMC. Like I'd said in another response here, I was doing it strictly so I had a video example on hand.

However, I do also often try to kill players that are targeting zerglings. People who hang out between spawn waypoints and keeps or hide inside objectives, etc. I feel obligated to protect people who can't protect themselves very well. The only time I don't bother trying is when someone is playing something a like full Nomad run-a-way build.

Also I honestly don't find it a huge issue if someone manages to hide inside an objective after it's flipped and later capture it by themselves. If there's any indication someone is hiding, that's on the players to find that person. The only time I see it as a problem is when it takes a zerg to find them, which really only happens in Red BL towers or SMC because there's so much space for high stealth uptime players to kite around. So I'm glad that Marked was added to keeps after they've been flipped - it prevents this from happening. So as of right now, if you can hide in an objective and take it after it was just flipped, IMO that isn't broken/bad.

To be totally honest, the only time I like fighting Deadeyes is when I'm hunting them. I find it exciting trying to spot the subtle tells of the DE's location and trying to get in their heads to figure out where they might be moving next. I think most of the ones who just roll around stealthed as often as possible tapping objectives must hate me though because I'll chase them for hours if I'm having fun doing it, lol.

@"RedShark.9548" said:

oh i didnt mean it in any ways badly towards you, if i got your message right now ? i dont know, sarcasm is hard to read often times.anyways the "quallity gameplay" remark was sarcasm from my side towards the deadeye gameplay which is just kitten, and should absolutely NOT be possible in such a game. And the fact that you literally have to waste time in there to not let him flip anything is just not right aswell.

Ah, my bad. I did think you were being sarcastic so I felt it was necessary to explain myself in case I hadn't been clear in the original comment. Thanks for clarifying (:

@"SpellOfIniquity.1780" said:

@MUDse.7623 said:For clarity, I was not chasing this DE because I was afraid he'd flip SMC. Like I'd said in another response here, I was doing it strictly so I had a video example on hand.