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Elementalist Vapor Form skill bugged (since Christmas)

Dahir.4158Dahir.4158 Member ✭✭✭
edited February 17, 2019 in Bugs: Game, Forum, Website

The second downed skill is bugged. Whenever I've tried to use it, the skill will go on cooldown straight after, and for some reason, gives me more downed health. It's not just me that has experienced this bug. I know a few other elementalists who have suffered at the hands of this, and as for me, it has been going on for a more than a week now and it's not fun.

Please fix.

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  • Dahir.4158Dahir.4158 Member ✭✭✭

    Anyone else experiencing this?

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  • Experiencing the same.
    Cant really reproduce it, but it is extremly annyoing when you go down and cant move out of the dmg and just die (speaking of WvW).

  • How Vapor Form works is that it heals you so you able to rally from downstate and then actually initiate the skill.

    Keeping in mind that downstate health is apparently 3 times your max hp, the heal required to get you back up is generally quite large. However, with healing reduction conditions such as poison (33%) and agony (80%), this can impact the skill so much that it isn’t able to heal enough to revive you. This is most easily reproducible using agony rather than poison, because poison alone I don’t think should be enough to stop the skill from activating properly.

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  • Dahir.4158Dahir.4158 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 6, 2019

    @Noodle Ant.1605 said:
    How Vapor Form works is that it heals you so you able to rally from downstate and then actually initiate the skill.

    Keeping in mind that downstate health is apparently 3 times your max hp, the heal required to get you back up is generally quite large. However, with healing reduction conditions such as poison (33%) and agony (80%), this can impact the skill so much that it isn’t able to heal enough to revive you. This is most easily reproducible using agony rather than poison, because poison alone I don’t think should be enough to stop the skill from activating properly.

    Nah, I'm telling you, the actual downed skill will go on cooldown and NOT work. In its place, me (the user) will get more downed health instead. Trust me, it's a bug. This thing never happened before and has only started occurring recently in the last couple of weeks.

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  • @Dahir.4158 said:
    Nah, I'm telling you, the actual downed skill will go on cooldown and NOT work. In its place, me (the user) will get more downed health instead. Trust me, it's a bug. This thing never happened before and has only started occurring recently in the last couple of weeks.

    Isn’t that what I’m saying? What I meant is that the heal portion of the skill can be reduced so much that whilst it still heals you, it’s not enough to rally and activate the vapor form part of the skill. I’ve known this to be case way before the last couple of weeks because this is how it had always been working from my experience, and I’ve experienced it myself more than a handful of times.

    If it helps, search up Vapor Form in the gw2 wiki. I think you’ll might find a similar answer.

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  • Dahir.4158Dahir.4158 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2019

    @Noodle Ant.1605 I don't think you really understand what is going on.

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  • @Noodle Ant.1605 said:
    How Vapor Form works is that it heals you so you able to rally from downstate and then actually initiate the skill.

    Keeping in mind that downstate health is apparently 3 times your max hp, the heal required to get you back up is generally quite large. However, with healing reduction conditions such as poison (33%) and agony (80%), this can impact the skill so much that it isn’t able to heal enough to revive you. This is most easily reproducible using agony rather than poison, because poison alone I don’t think should be enough to stop the skill from activating properly.

    It happens 100% without agony as it does not exist in WvW.
    I can't talk about pve as I dont play that. But in PVP modes it happens on random occasions wheter you have poison or not.

  • Loke.1429Loke.1429 Member ✭✭

    I also experience this bug in the last weeks

  • Noodle Ant.1605Noodle Ant.1605 Member ✭✭
    edited January 12, 2019

    @Dahir.4158 said:
    @Noodle Ant.1605 I don't think you really understand what is going on.

    Didn’t have enough information then and was only speaking from what the wiki said.

    There’s slightly more context now, mainly that skill fails to properly rally you, even w/o poison. But that raises some new questions:

    • Is this bug effective across all game modes, or mostly one of them?
    • Does this bug occur in an isolated environment (where you’re literally by yourself, nothing is affecting you)?
    • How often does this bug occur?

    I think I do remember experiencing this same bug under the same circumstances (no poison) over a while ago, but it was very rare and I chalked it down to lag, where it usually occurred (I believed that I just took too much dmg between when I pressed the skill and when it actually cast). This skill requires a call for concern anyway, since an unintentional failure to rally completely removes ele’s ability to avoid being finished/stomped prematurely. It should fixed to always work at 100% functionality (speaking from all game modes).

    pChrono (main), cWeaver and pReaper. An asura who likes snowflakes.

  • fuzzyp.6295fuzzyp.6295 Member ✭✭✭

    This bug is getting very frustrating. Before it seemed that using Vapor Form just put it on cool down. Now using it puts it on cool down, but restores like half of your downed bar. I have a couple recorded instances of the bug but I don't know if that would help in this situation.

  • Dahir.4158Dahir.4158 Member ✭✭✭

    Still bugged.

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  • I’m getting this bug quite a lot aswell and luckily I have it all on stream so I’ll get round to gathering some clips and posting them

  • Loke.1429Loke.1429 Member ✭✭

    this bug is still not fixed..

  • Dahir.4158Dahir.4158 Member ✭✭✭

    Still bugged btw

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  • from how i seem to get this issue is if i say in one spot when i use it i do not lose hp but when i move i lose hp now the question is is this a bug or intended? I also get this one were when in mist form i cant move at all sometimes when im to be imune to everything so what is up with that?

  • Dahir.4158Dahir.4158 Member ✭✭✭

    bump fix please

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  • TheQuickFox.3826TheQuickFox.3826 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 3, 2019

    Mind to record a video of the bugged effect? It may help the devs to track it down.

    On my Ele, it seems to work just fine. And I get downed a lot in WvW.
    Not saying it does not occur for you, just saying it does not occur on my char, with my build, on my account.

    Update: I've noticed this issue a few times also. Instead of going to vapor form, i get healed up a a part in downed mode. It never reaches vapor form mode this way.

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  • Lottie.5370Lottie.5370 Member ✭✭✭

    I have this problem when I try and use the skill too fast after being downed, but otherwise it works 100% fine for me.

  • Dahir.4158Dahir.4158 Member ✭✭✭

    @TheQuickFox.3826 said:
    Mind to record a video of the bugged effect? It may help the devs to track it down.

    On my Ele, it seems to work just fine. And I get downed a lot in WvW.
    Not saying it does not occur for you, just saying it does not occur on my char, with my build, on my account.

    I will try

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  • inb4 not fixed on tuesday :anguished:

  • Loke.1429Loke.1429 Member ✭✭

    also happens in spvp, affected by poison when it is not supposed to be, the affect healing that they coded behind the skill is just lazy coding, skill doesnt heal the player, it lets the player move and become downed again... @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 Please fix this

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 3, 2019

    Tested with friends in guild hall arena and apparently it's not just an ele problem. The bug happens when downed target is poisoned, has less than ~30% downed health and is targeted with a reviving skill such as vapor form, glyph of renewal (the self buff from fire renewal works as intended), signet of mercy, battle standard, signet of undeath (wiki page on this skill states that it's bugged, no idea for how long though).

    Edit: my guess is that these skills heal you for 50k health in attempt to revive you (which is why vapor form deals damage when it ends - it's just a temporary revival), but poison reduces it by 33% (the same % of health when the bug happens) so it fails to revive because you didn't receive enough healing. The easieat fix would be to increase healing of these skills to a bit more than 75k so they can revive under all circumstances.

  • Belishine.7493Belishine.7493 Member ✭✭✭

    steki i like how you are trying to fix the issue but if you up the healing it can make inposible to kill someone when they geting healed making a new issue onto its self. think like this if you get 75k healing and are at like 15% hp and get healed now you are fully healed making you inposible to kill if the healing is a low cooldown skill that is healing you making it a pain to even fight you. dont get me rong i love how you are trying to fix the issue but remember we are trying to fix a issue and not add a new issue. i think it would be better if they just flat out make the mist form just turn you incaporial and making it so you cant be locked down by anything and remove the damage by moving and this skill will be mutch better for the ele but i do not see this coming any time soon.

  • Loke.1429Loke.1429 Member ✭✭

    @Belishine.7493 said:
    get healed now you are fully healed

    fully healed/ressed/temp ressed, yes that is what the skill is designed to do

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Belishine.7493 said:
    steki i like how you are trying to fix the issue but if you up the healing it can make inposible to kill someone when they geting healed making a new issue onto its self. think like this if you get 75k healing and are at like 15% hp and get healed now you are fully healed making you inposible to kill if the healing is a low cooldown skill that is healing you making it a pain to even fight you. dont get me rong i love how you are trying to fix the issue but remember we are trying to fix a issue and not add a new issue. i think it would be better if they just flat out make the mist form just turn you incaporial and making it so you cant be locked down by anything and remove the damage by moving and this skill will be mutch better for the ele but i do not see this coming any time soon.

    It's not adding any issues, those skills are supposed to revive you when you're downed, they just work as a very strong heal that gets reduced by poison, making the skill not do what it's supposed to do. If you increase the heal you're just ensuring that the skill is doing what it's intended to do - revive a downed player. Those skills already have huge cooldown and vapor form deals a lot of damage when it ends so I dont see your point and how it's creating a new issue.

    If you're 15% and use vapor form you're invulnerable whether you get 50k heal or 75k heal because max downed health is 50k and at the end of it you're back on 10-15% anyway. It doesnt make you any harder to kill, it just doesnt bug out when you're poisoned. I'd rather not change its functionality since it's unnecessary, I'd just like it to work consistently in all situations and this is the easiest way to fix it.

  • Belishine.7493Belishine.7493 Member ✭✭✭

    dont get me rong here but if you up healing at all it ups all healing and makes the issue i have stated. now the issue is the bug that vap form couses for some reson that needs the fix. I am thinking the issue is a server lag that is stop the stuff to happen as intended so this needs tightened to fix it. im not trying to call you out or anything im just pointing out the stuff that if not stated right can make a hug issue even if its not intended to happen.

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 4, 2019

    @Belishine.7493 said:
    dont get me rong here but if you up healing at all it ups all healing and makes the issue i have stated. now the issue is the bug that vap form couses for some reson that needs the fix. I am thinking the issue is a server lag that is stop the stuff to happen as intended so this needs tightened to fix it. im not trying to call you out or anything im just pointing out the stuff that if not stated right can make a hug issue even if its not intended to happen.

    We already tested how it works, there's no server lag because it was 3 people and we did it like 30 times in total with all mentioned skills and it triggered every single time with stated conditions.

    And again, there is no issue because max health is max health, you cant go above that regardless of healing, but you can go below it if you get poisoned, which causes the bug since you don't get healed enough to trigger the effect of skills. So if you increase the healing you just prevent the poison to bug these skills, it doesn't do anything to make you harder to kill.

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